Are we in a Death Trap?

[GodsProxy]

This thread is dedicated to the topic "Are we in a death trap?" What is a death trap? What proof do we have that we are in a death trap? Who else on Earth believes we are in a death trap? What can we do to help get us out of the death trap? Does believing we are in a death trap not turn into a self-fulfilling prophesy? These questions and others I would like to address in this thread.

I would like to open with a channeling I received a few years back, which introduced me to the concept of Earth is a death trap:

When you came here that you thought that things would be completely different to how they had actually tricked you into coming into a place where you would never send your worst enemy no matter what they had done ever. And if you did accidentally send him here you would never rest another day in your life until you had managed to set him free.
And now you were in that place and there was absolutely no hope of escape for you ever again and you would never be a free being ever again and in effect you had actually been murdered stone cold dead.

Further:

So when you came into the entrance of this place you found you were lost. So you had to proceed and to carry on into the trap and that proved to be your undoing because once you went inside then you were unable to get out and that he had actually performed the unthinkable act of wiping out your memory completely which is close to murdering a being.

So now you had no hope of getting out because you couldn't even remember the fact that you were in a trap at all. Now you came to believe that you were a body with no soul whatsoever and that this was the only reality that had ever existed and you could never remember a time before it.
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You also forgot everything forever so the primary point of existing at all which is to gain experience was robbed from you and so each life was completely pointless. So you carried on for nearly forever until you were allowed to descend to the next level down.

[GodsProxy]

Are we in a death trap? The simple answer to this question is yes.

If you can't remember anything from before you were born, and have no guarantee as to where you are going when you die, you appeal to a loving God for help and answers, and receive no reply, you can safely assume you are in a death trap, and headed for eternal hell.

This is the only proof you are ever going to get. If you don't know where you go when you die, hope for the best but expect the worst.

Now, realize you are in the most hostile environment you could ever imagine. Take precaution after precaution to safeguard yourself. Make sure you and your wife have separate bank accounts. Keep some money tucked away where you can access it in an emergency if you are ever in a position where you can't identify yourself and you don't have your bank card with you. Make friends who you can trust your life with, and make a pact with them that you will be there for them if they land up destitute, and you in return for them. Keep your mobile phone charged and on you at all times.

Now, decide your allegiances. Do you want to live or do you want to die? There are worse things possible than body death. It is time for us all to wake up. We are all in a death trap. The signs are written in the blood of the suffering on the walls of reality. Don't listen to whiners who say lets make the best of life and ignore the flashing alarm bells. We have a rare opportunity in 2011, spiritual advances have been made which allow us to understand the concept of a death trap.

Everyone else who knows they are in a trap (Buddhists, etc) are out to save themselves. I say lets put our minds together and defeat this thing together. It isn't impossible, I've had some successes, but I need your help. If I have to find a way to defeat it on my own, I will, but I'm not sure if this is possible.

Yes we can make a difference by feeding the hungry and being nice to each other. This is just making life more pleasant in a death trap. The onus is on us to find a way to spiritually defeat this device. Hubbard and the Buddhists have ways to escape the endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth. Lets take the best from all worlds and find a way. I myself have a unique context on it.

Chips are down now. Decide.

[AmbientSound]

Considering the multidimensionality of reality, I do not believe that death can truly exist. Our universe, in all of its dimensions, exists alongside an infinite number of others, some parallel to our own and others different in ways we cannot even imagine. Probabilities always exist. There is no true death. True death would mean the elimination of something that once existed from the mind of God. This cannot be done. I truly believe the functionality of existence is primarily mathematical in its nature. Everything can be expressed mathematically. Subordinate operations cannot effect change on the greater operations under which they fall. Such a thing is logically and "mechanically" impossible. For example: Z=2Y*(X*((5a-3b)+ABS(5a-3b))/2), where X=(8f*((4c-6d)+ABS(4c-6d))/2. In this case, I am using "ABS" to indicate 'absolute value.'

The variables a and b cannot affect the operation of multiplication of x with the outcome of the operations in which they are directly involved, i.e. the function of (5a-3b) cannot alter the value of X, nor can it alter the fact that X is still multiplied with whatever the result of (5a-3b) is. The variables c and d are a different story, as X is the sum total of the operations in which they are involved. In this equation, X cannot equal f, c or d.

All formulas have variables, which relate to each other in a pre-determined way. In this case, 3b is always subtracted from 5a, no matter what. True death would be akin to taking the number 5 and saying it does not exist anymore. But if its memory exists, the memory is holographic because the 5 exists in an infinite number of universes, and thus the 5 will exist somewhere else. Taking the number 5 out of the equation is one thing. Saying it does not exist anymore in any equation is quite another.

Once you understand the formulas at work in your existence, you must then ask yourself who wrote them. You must ask yourself what the sum total of the formula is, and whether it is part of a bigger formula, and what its function is. Your first clue: Reality is fractal in its nature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set

[Xanth]

Considering the multidimensionality of reality, I do not believe that death can truly exist.

Bingo.
That's why it's impossible for this reality, or any other, to be a "deathtrap".  Death doesn't exist.

[SomeRandom]

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

[Stillwater]

This sounds like a variation of your "earth is hell" thesis with a new name...

[Summerlander]

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

LOL! I was thinking the same thing. I also think that Godsproxy could do with trying some mind-openers like acid.

What can we do to help get us out of the death trap?

Nothing because it is not a trap, it's a natural process. All living creatures in this world die. Don't deny the worms their meal. It's inevitable. Stronger is he who, unlike the majority, does not deny death and simply accepts it with open arms and stands unafraid of where he'll end up. This is true liberation and the source of real wisdom.

[Thread Killer]

At the risk of sounding facetious Neil, you're in a death trap and I'm in a love shack. I can't resist the musical references. The James Blunt reference was more about 1973,(your birth year, yes?) than about," here we go again."  I do enjoy these side excursions we take. The periphery is very revealing. And I swear I'm not trying to be a douche. I'm just trying to draw you out, bit by bit.

[Lexy]

this channeling you are listening to is coming from a very dark place. 

[AmbientSound]

You create your own "death trap" mechanism by giving energy (attention) to it.  There is nothing to defeat that you yourself do not create. Pay attention to the way you perceive the world and how you respond to it. No knowledge is certain. It is like Einstein said: "A problem cannot be solved by the same [state of] consciousness that created it." Everything about your existence is defined by you and no one else. Waking up is about realizing that there is no death trap, there is no heaven, and there is no hell, let alone eternal states of any of these.

The death of the physical body is necessary to maintain a healthy capacity of a physically-manifested spiritual occupancy of this planet for all species. Our vibrations will draw to us the realities and situations we need in order to spiritually evolve. We will all evolve in one way or another. We choose how we evolve by where we put our attention. Evolution is not a choice, it is a natural part of the process of being.

[Szaxx]

Hi All ,
This death trap is not unlike the narrow mindset of most on planet earth.
A perfect example of math earlier explained this somewhat. On earth we use base ten so all our numbers count. You can elimimate any number, the rule also applies to that and any integer above it. There are two numbers that cannot be excluded ever. These are one and zero. If you are clever you will already have worked out to do this you simply change the base you use. The amount of value still remains. In calculus there exists many dimensions which can be worked simultaneously.
Back to reality, we all live in a three dimensional space, and this is where the trap appears. Simply put we have left to right,one.
near and far, two.
Up and down, three.
This is our APPARENT reality. Now if we add in and out, a fourth, the human mind cannot accept this so readily. Phaseing as we all here understand the term is a perfect example of the fourth. We exist as we have in reality, but AP shows us a fourth. In this 'new' state we know of many 'states' of existence, so in reality, the question is how are we trapped?
We can escape time, so....
we already coexist in this higher state.
How are we trapped?
Death is another change of state, surely, as is say a chemical reaction.
Not being able to remember a previous life is like why didn't have awareness of AP in all humanity from birth.
Enlighten more on the trapped utilising the above please.
Intriguing thread.

[Wi11iam]

According to many Astral Projection experiences shared, the 'trap' in not only this side of the black stump.


I think that anything which acts as a distraction is potentially a 'trap' to the consciousness involved with the distraction.

But a 'death trap'?  Consciousness cannot 'die' but yes – it certainly can be trapped!

[GodsProxy]

If anyone, like me, finds this disturbing, I apologize. If you know the truth, then you can help us.

But a 'death trap'?  Consciousness cannot 'die' but yes – it certainly can be trapped!

Yes, consciousness cannot die, this is the point I am trying to make. You may reach a point where you wish with all your might and all your soul that you were dead, but that is impossible.
This is the point which makes eternal hell and death traps possible.
In eternal hell and a death trap, if nobody here decides to do anything about it, if you have loved ones on the outside, it is better for them to forget you ever existed. There is no hope for you and there never will be ever again, you will suffer in torment forever.
You are as good as dead. That is the only death possible for a spirit. You have only one choice, one choice alone, and that is to fight to stay alive. Death is not an option, can you see that?
Death of a spirit is figurative only. You will wish for the rest of eternity that you were dead.
Now, knowing the extents to which a spirit can be made to feel uncomfortable (witness human suffering), now you will either know or you will not, that not knowing where you go when you die, is an unacceptable risk.
In fact, it means you have been attacked, and are on your way to "dying". "Dying" is a euphemism, by the way.
Your loved ones outside the trap will have to be rescued by Father God and he will have to do the mercy of erasing all memory of you from their eternal memories.
Nice one hey?
Welcome to hell.
Welcome to reality.

[GodsProxy]

This guy asks for help in the Magic forum. All the Magicians there had to do was to offer to Cast the opposing guy back again and he would've been toast. Instead, 6 pages of discussion
I offered to help him personally. Same thing should happen here.

[Summerlander]

Godsproxy...hell may be your reality but that doesn't make it everyone else's...the optimistic say this is the best of possible worlds while the pessimistic fears that to be true.

[ether2]

i always thought consciousness is apart of who you are, what you are, and dies with ya when you die then ya Spirit takes on a new role as in another body, i donot believe that consciousness carries on into a new role that your Spirits new body gets

however consciousness as a whole (what we are led to believe-how we/use to think) now will not cannot carry on as the system as to how we think has changed of recently so as not to re/generate those $*** thoughts we dislike, but will carry on as usual on in the way what we feel (approaching/being one---leading cause of mental illness---leading psychs know ) which re/generates what you feel into thoughts, Govs have spent $*** loads of money trying to stop this wont happen... impossiable man, only one way to stop this love all=care for all show those in the diffilcult positions (the reason for depression---being more one---being more one means more powerful/mind abilities...fact) in life that their is hope, ...thats the pay off for being ONE...Gods trick so ya look after each other leading up to this end of 26,000 cycle which is around now 2012...
thats what we do as in show them (poverty/war torn etc) how to project and what not...hence my post in the 2012 forum


http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_2012_and_the_transition_of_the_ages/whats_happening_towards_2012_our_new_world-t34124.0.html

No worries Goverments, i'll send ya my bill soon, start save'n up... LOL

good luck

love all

[GodsProxy]

Yes, this is an ongoing psychic battle. Meanwhile, in the forum supposedly frequented by Magicians, a poor guy asking for help who is being cast is being told implicitly that there is no such thing as magic. (Note one of the surprise ring leaders is one who has been accused of being an agent. Makes you think doesn't it?)

Yet, convenient for the guys who cast black magic, they've got no-one to cast Love magic back against them, because no-one who is good believes in magic! Closest thing is Aleister Crowley's Magick. Note: Aleister Crowley's nickname was the beast, he was a suspected satanist.

As Jim says, Hearts and minds, hearts and minds. You wouldn't believe what goes on in this reality.

The same people try and convince you in this forum you should just be good, believe in heaven, and all this death trap stuff is negative-self-fulfilling prophesy. Nice try, but an ashtray is an ashtray. A death trap is a death trap. Spirit is more real and tangible than physical. Therefore reality is reality, whether spirit or no spirit.

Please see page 1 post for a disturbing revelation as far as death traps go. If you cannot die as a spirit, then what does "death trap" mean? Answered in the aforementioned post. Warning: can be disturbing to read.

[GodsProxy]

@Szaxx ,
Thank you.
In spiritual terms 0 and 1 originated from the infinite Void/Everything. In terms of when you are at the beginning of life, the two terms are exactly equivalent, ie 0=1 and 1=0.
Void = 0.
Everything = 1.
This was the first differentiation ever made. 0 and 1 were the first anchors ever discovered, the first concepts ever understood, by definition.
Once they are differentiated there then exists the Void and the Everything, since the differentiating has to be done by someone. That Someone happens to be God, who was the first being, who was the Alpha and the Omega, the 0 and the 1. Then 0 no longer equals 1 and 1 no longer equals 0.
Spirits desperately try and channel this concept to us because when we figure out the origin of life, we can figure out where we are, why we are here, and where we are going to. You see life couldn't have started any other way.
After 0 and 1 , the number two (2) was a breeze in comparison to figuring out 0 and 1.
We mustn't over complicate things. This is where I differ from everyone else on the subject. We don't need to be experts to understand our predicament. We have more than enough spiritual understanding now to know where we are and perhaps how to get out of it.
We don't know about AP at birth because our memories were erased before we were born, or alternatively we are newly born beings. We are trapped here in 3 dimensions because we didn't have a choice, we were were forced here. Because, if you are under extreme duress and physical suffering, wishing yourself out of here, simply doesn't work. That means we are here against our will, under duress. This means that when you die, you can be put back here again (bad) or put back somewhere worse, also under duress.
Hope this addresses some of your questions,
Neil

Hi All ,
This death trap is not unlike the narrow mindset of most on planet earth.
A perfect example of math earlier explained this somewhat. On earth we use base ten so all our numbers count. You can elimimate any number, the rule also applies to that and any integer above it. There are two numbers that cannot be excluded ever. These are one and zero. If you are clever you will already have worked out to do this you simply change the base you use. The amount of value still remains. In calculus there exists many dimensions which can be worked simultaneously.
Back to reality, we all live in a three dimensional space, and this is where the trap appears. Simply put we have left to right,one.
near and far, two.
Up and down, three.
This is our APPARENT reality. Now if we add in and out, a fourth, the human mind cannot accept this so readily. Phaseing as we all here understand the term is a perfect example of the fourth. We exist as we have in reality, but AP shows us a fourth. In this 'new' state we know of many 'states' of existence, so in reality, the question is how are we trapped?
We can escape time, so....
we already coexist in this higher state.
How are we trapped?
Death is another change of state, surely, as is say a chemical reaction.
Not being able to remember a previous life is like why didn't have awareness of AP in all humanity from birth.
Enlighten more on the trapped utilising the above please.
Intriguing thread.

[Szaxx]

Hi All,
Ok on the comments.
Thinking on this, if 0=1 before our physical universe was created then there was no understanding or worse communication. So in the beginning there was the word (a generic term for communication) then the two were separated for our physical world to exist (differentiation). Each given an opposing value but these values are in equilibrium. That answers a lot on physics respect to quantum too. So let there be light, this form of energy is responsible for life itself.
Wow  you've opened up my eyes to more thinking on this. As all is in equilibrium, then the trap is relative to perspective and understanding in which knowledge is a key factor. Without it we are indeed trapped. Yet with it we require more on subjects that are pertaining towards enlightenment.

You have a valid point.
I will think more on this.

[Wi11iam]

  Yes, consciousness cannot die, this is the point I am trying to make. You may reach a point where you wish with all your might and all your soul that you were dead, but that is impossible.
This is the point which makes eternal hell and death traps possible.


Godsproxy.

Yes, you are acting on behalf of your 'god' and yes there are many 'gods'.
Everyone, even those who don't believe in god or gods, nonetheless do have a god.

Shaped by whatever it is they believe, about who they are, where they are, and why they are and all they do.

When I called myself a 'Christian' I went to gatherings because I supported the collective thought regarding Christianity.

I supported the belief in hell – a place reserved for all those who worked against the Principles attributed by Jesus.

Then due to my own particular journey, [click here for an opportunity to read a more detailed account] ,I began to take a more serious look at my belief systems, and also at the way others with that belief systems hierarchical structure were behaving.

Man, I remember sitting in church one day and listening to the pastor talk on some such thing and tell the congregation 'how it is' and while this is happening I have the Bible open to a page I was most recently examining and that material was clearing saying the total opposite of what the pastor was saying!

Of course at that time, The Bible tells me so, not some pastor with the gift of the gab and an authoritative manner with an ability to convince an Arab to by more sand, if indeed the pastor even needed a sideline business.

I left Christianity.

But of course, I still had The Bible and The Bible tells me there is a hell, so there must be a Hell.

However, if you choose to read the link I gave, you will understand why I say that over and above "The Bible" I chose the compassion of 'Christ' which is an extremely powerful influence in this, and in The Invisible Reality, as to 'what tells me so'.

Eventually I discarded my belief in hell in favour of that compassion.

And then more recently, here I am among those who in their own journeys have brought me messages confirming the existence of this actual place called 'hell' – people like Mr. Monroe (through his followers) and Mr. Kepple, and Mr. GodsProxy.

This causes a slight movement in the Force, in relation to my own belief, and why I inevitably chose then to join that belief to my 'proven truth' database.  There IS a Hell.

In brief I will now share the process of how I came to believe there was no HELL.

I think of what collective humanity thinks of as the [worst ever example of human depravation.]  and I think about how it came to be, then I discover that behind this terrible personality were even 'worse' offenders who had set up this whole event!
They had primed the whole thing with a [document designed to cause a particular ripple effect,]  found their puppet and sent agents to tell this puppet that they would finance this puppet and that money was no object.

Hmmm....

So I said to myself now "okay".

If the real most despicable worst ever example of human depravation are these few who controlled that puppet, and created the ensuring ripple effect which horrified a whole planet – if they are now in hell – that eternal trap for consciousness – now then compare their actions, and those of the puppet, with those of the god which put them there, and what do I see?

Umm...okay – I see a god that assigns punishment which is a billion trillion zillion times far worse than the individual offensive consciousnesses forever tormenting in hell have done.

What does that tell me?

Aligned with all the other information in my data base (F4) it tells me that this trap exists, and it exists in F3 and it exists because human (F1) belief systems (F2) have created it.

How sad is that!

So there are those who say that Heaven and Hell are able to see each other over a 'void' which separates the two aspects from each other.  There is even some concern at the impossible reality that these two could merge and affect the rest of Astral Land!

There are also those who are not overly affected by either Fields of Vibration – they can visit each.

They have the compassion and the compassion enables this to be possible.




Half baked belief systems have created F3 and the job to clear it up is a vast undertaking.
In relation to the extreme lands (Fields 'o vibes) of H&H those who participate in perpetuating the existence of these influences are charged with the task of assisting with clearing up the mess.

It is only fair and just that this need apply.

My task is to delete it from my data base (F4+) as a thing which does not recognise the greater reality of what it is that 'we' are involved with.

WE are certainly not the product of some demented god concept twisted so out of shape that it does not recognise its own reflection and immediately devolves into 'battle' mode creating all sorts of delusions.  My finger is poised over the 'delete' button...as I understand that the process of 'retrieval' and convincing the occupants that they are free to leave the illusion of their traps – traps SET by those who have contributed their own power to create (BELIEFS) – that the act of pushing the delete button and the act of retrieval are the same – just in different 'times'

Hell is not forever GodsProxy.  It is not a product of First Source...not directly.

H&H are indeed – like everything in F3 – creations of a consciousness trapped in human form, which doesn't know diddly squat About GOD or the nature of their pre-existence as First Source.

That is why everything in F3 is 'In Holding' as WE mercifully wait with great loving patience for you who still haven't worked out where to best centre your belief - to get your Self together.

[CFTraveler]

Just reiterating something very important:

Half baked belief systems have created F3 and the job to clear it up is a vast undertaking.
In relation to the extreme lands (Fields 'o vibes) of H&H those who participate in perpetuating the existence of these influences are charged with the task of assisting with clearing up the mess.

It is only fair and just that this need apply.

This can be considered a form of retrieval, and gone around a few ways.
But you covered it well here in F1 with this post.

My task is to delete it from my data base (F4+) as a thing which does not recognise the greater reality of what it is that 'we' are involved with.

WE are certainly not the product of some demented god concept twisted so out of shape that it does not recognise its own reflection and immediately devolves into 'battle' mode creating all sorts of delusions.  My finger is poised over the 'delete' button...as I understand that the process of 'retrieval' and convincing the occupants that they are free to leave the illusion of their traps – traps SET by those who have contributed their own power to create (BELIEFS) – that the act of pushing the delete button and the act of retrieval are the same – just in different 'times'

Hell is not forever GodsProxy.  It is not a product of First Source...not directly.

It can't be, because it is based on comparison and limitation, and this cannot be the First Cause- it is an incongruent thought. 

H&H are indeed – like everything in F3 – creations of a consciousness trapped in human form, which doesn't know diddly squat About GOD or the nature of their pre-existence as First Source.

That is why everything in F3 is 'In Holding' as WE mercifully wait with great loving patience for you who still haven't worked out where to best centre your belief - to get your Self together.

And this is the crux- stop teaching fear and despair, if you want to 'rescue people from 'Hell', because that's what Hell is all about- fear and despair.

[GodsProxy]

Quite the contrary - I am teaching about hope - the first message of hope in almost forever.
Now we know where we are - and the more people who know about it - the more hope we have, forever. That's the best news we have ever heard. I will post more later.

And this is the crux- stop teaching fear and despair, if you want to 'rescue people from 'Hell', because that's what Hell is all about- fear and despair.

[Astral316]

Quite the contrary - I am teaching about hope - the first message of hope in almost forever.

I laughed.

[GodsProxy]

Wow  you've opened up my eyes to more thinking on this. As all is in equilibrium, then the trap is relative to perspective and understanding in which knowledge is a key factor. Without it we are indeed trapped. Yet with it we require more on subjects that are pertaining towards enlightenment.

Indeed, the last sentence is the key to all of this. I wouldn't have bothered sharing all of this with you if I thought the trap couldn't be defeated. Since I think it most certainly can - and knowledge is the key - that is why I share on uncomfortable subjects.

[GodsProxy]

Wi11iam, I appreciate your long and well thought out and referenced reply.
However, the Christian movement holds a good share of this planet's hearts, minds and souls.
I wish you luck in "cleaning up" the supposed hell focus that Christians have created. As long as Christians continue to exist, there will be a hell focus, if the BST theory has any credibility. Christianity will continue to flourish and prosper (and BTW they do a tremendous amount of good in the world.)
In the mean time, I will continue to trust my gut instinct and look at the writing on the walls. Spirit is fact not some airy fairy dream factory in someone's wet dream.

That is why everything in F3 is 'In Holding' as WE mercifully wait with great loving patience for you who still haven't worked out where to best centre your belief - to get your Self together.