Gap on reeincarnation theory?!

[majour ka]

Good question ! David Ikes book "Truth Vibrations" has a great explanation supposedly chanelled through some very evolved biengs, which make alot of sense. It has an explanation of how a soul is born.


Dont forget there are many dimensional systems existing on other planets aswell, and there are  souls incarnated on this planet who are not originaly from earth, also many of us have been animals in previous lives. Betty Shine the healer maintaned its hard to always find clear and true previous life everdence is we carry memorys of our ancestors as well in our D.N.A I think thats what she said ?

[volcomstone]

isn't david Icke that eccentric fellow who thinks bush is a reptile?

[Clow]

And so the theory of humans being demons or Astral Beings is spoken by another person. What if a soul from another demesion was reincarnated in this one?

[majour ka]

Originally posted by volcomstone

isn't david Icke that eccentric fellow who thinks bush is a reptile?


Yeah fraid so! but his first book ( before he started sleeping in a bunker ) is very good.

[jilola]

You suppose there is a Law of Conservation of Existence, ie. that each soul is intact and unchanged in each reincarnation.
This is not necessarily so.

Consider a soul as a relefction or rather a transient fragment of the total existence. Now, durin any one incnation a souls is indeed whole and self-contained. A consequence is that a souls can change its composition (be merged, split, added on, deducted from) between eac incarnation.
Moreover any one soul does not constitue the entire existence, only a particular instant under a given set of choices and conditions.
A new child born to the 4 people would have a whole sould that is created by a new reflection of the whole and modified according to the people who will be its parents and according to the circumstances the totality is at the moment.

To put it short, all souls are one, but none is everything.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[Eol007]

Hi do,

Could it not be considered that we are all aspects of the one!

Ah, but that only presupposes that all in souls currently incarnate at any one moment in time in this apparent reality originate from a singular source of creation, and happen to incarnate sequentially along a linear scale of time and thinking.
Should we not add into the pot other parameters like for example the concept of an infinite number of coexistent universes and the opportunity for the individualized soul to transmigrate between || streams of creation.

Did Seth when speaking through the channel of the good Jane Roberts speak of something not dissimilarly obtuse and propose that all our past and future incarnations run concurrently with the one we consider that we are experiencing now? To help understand this paradigm would we not have to consider that it would be necessary to take the factor of time out of the equation! I'm sure I have read something similar somewhere else if not from the Seth material.

Apparently according to the wise sage Douglas Adams the answer to everything is 42. Allegedly Adams is not only missed by the lost generation of the late 1970s and early 1980's but also by the community at large. Apparantly a small cult of Adams adherents exists and are armed and prepared to answer any and all question of this import and most sureal nature (as needs arrise). These very individuals may well be in conclave at this very moment, and are likely pondering your most eloquent 'koan like mind wrench' in a somewhat innocuous pub in South East England. Hopefully the beer is not to warm least they fall off the edge of the world gagging on the insipid foam thereof. If they find the answer I'll let you know, but I'm not quite sure where the pub is (umm again).

Actually I know I am just being silly (umm), although liked the idea of attempting to solving your problem, but thought better leave it to the experts.

Appreciatively yours


S[8D]

[majour ka]

If The planet earth and all that is vibrationly compatable are created from pure concousness and pure unconditional love then a demon as you refer to could not incarnate as a human. Any way a demon or a malvalent energy form of that kind is only a projection of collective negative and destruvtive thought energy all existing at lower planes, so there for never had or never will have a soul persay! and of course they could not exist at the asrtral plane from where we reincarnate...no demons here.

[jilola]

EOL007: like minds at work [] We answered with a similar train of understanding at the same time. Are you the brother (sister? I didn't check the profile) my parents sold for quick mooney?

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by jilola

EOL007: like minds at work [] We answered with a similar train of understanding at the same time. Are you the brother (sister? I didn't check the profile) my parents sold for quick mooney?

2cents & L&L
Jouni

Nah, It was good gilt edged and well earned dosh actually! No doubt one of the more astrologically minded with explain the prevailing planetary conjunctions – and clear up this empathic malaise all and sundry seem to be going through. Personally I put it down to working in the IT industry for far longer than good god designed for any man, woman or thing under the umbrella of almighty creation. To much work and not enough... one wonders if that gorgeous 36-24-36 East European beauty is still working down at the local.

[jilola]

Cor.

The thing with an infinite number of anything is that there is always more than there is. Which is enough, unless money and my bank account figure intot he equation.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[Euphoric Sunrise]

This is something i've come across, but never given much thought to for some reason. Mainly because i guess i just thought to myself that it fits in somewhere. It happens and that's that.

I remember it was mentioned on the movie Waking Life, when there are two couples in bed in the morning, discussing philosophical issues (as we all do when we wake up []), and they start talking about reincarnation and this very issue you brought up, Kazbadan. In the end the female characters says this: "I believe reincarnation is just a poetic expression of what collective memory really is."

So there's one theory, collective memory.

Would it not be possible for people to reincarnate into two seperate bodies? I haven't seen any evidence or even any theories to say this can't be the case. They would still be fully functional since the higher-self (if it exists of course) would be there for both. Just a thought.

[Kazbadan]

The problem has not disapeared: how to explain the fact that every people that it is hypnotized reveals a life, in the past, on this planet and as an human being? Isnt that strange? At least some people would must reveal (by hypnosis) that they were aliens, or animals, etc....but that doesn´t happen.

And if the theory that one soul may be divided in two or more, after death, the problem it is not resolved, because some people would show the same past: let´s say: Mr F dies and his soul divides in 3 and each new soul would reeicarante in new beings: Miss A, Mr G and Ms T. And this 3 guys, if hypnotized, would must reveal the same past life...

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by Euphoric Sunrise

This is something i've come across, but never given much thought to for some reason. Mainly because i guess i just thought to myself that it fits in somewhere. It happens and that's that.

I remember it was mentioned on the movie Waking Life, when there are two couples in bed in the morning, discussing philosophical issues (as we all do when we wake up []), and they start talking about reincarnation and this very issue you brought up, Kazbadan. In the end the female characters says this: "I believe reincarnation is just a poetic expression of what collective memory really is."

So there's one theory, collective memory.

Would it not be possible for people to reincarnate into two seperate bodies? I haven't seen any evidence or even any theories to say this can't be the case. They would still be fully functional since the higher-self (if it exists of course) would be there for both. Just a thought.

Ah the  Twin Flames debate. here is one spin by the Arianni Masters (who ever they are)...

" Twin Flames are very different and very rare. Twin Flames are two people in two separate bodies that share the same Soul. Twin Flames meet each other in their first incarnation so that they remember the soul frequency of the other being. They are then usually reunited on their last time to this planet. If Twin Flames meet before they are ready they can be the total opposite and not at all compatible. When Twin Flames meet and are ready for each other, it is the most enjoyable experience possible on Earth."

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:If we make the transposition of this analogy to the real world (not 4 but 5 bilion, not 1 new soul -never reeicarnated- but maybe half a bilion) we conclude that there many souls or people there, that never were the reeicarnation of any human beeing. But if we look to all the people that make regressive hypnosys, we will see that every individuals speaks on a past life!

Thats strange because there is a probability big enough to find people that never reeicarneted (this is their first encarnation) but we dont find such persons! We only find people that it is the reeicarnation of someone else...

How do you explain this?

Maybe there are always souls waiting to incarnate, or, in other words, there are more souls than there are people. The souls simply wait for their time to incarnate. I'd say most people that believe in reincarnation also believe in a time between incarnations where the soul gets to reflect on life and do whatever it needs or wants to in the mean time before it incarnates again. This might explain the problem. That would also mean that billions of souls had a long wait back in the time of Adam and Eve, but maybe souls are constantly coming in from other parts of spiritual advancement or even other parts of the universe as needed. Maybe this is why the Earth can only hold so many people and remain healthy, as well.

That may or may not explain the problem, but I think it does go to show that the problem is not without a reasonable answer.

[Euphoric Sunrise]

quote:Originally posted by EOL007

Ah the  Twin Flames debate. here is one spin by the Arianni Masters (who ever they are)...

" Twin Flames are very different and very rare. Twin Flames are two people in two separate bodies that share the same Soul. Twin Flames meet each other in their first incarnation so that they remember the soul frequency of the other being. They are then usually reunited on their last time to this planet. If Twin Flames meet before they are ready they can be the total opposite and not at all compatible. When Twin Flames meet and are ready for each other, it is the most enjoyable experience possible on Earth."

Twin flame, eh? Never realised there was such a theory! []
Sounds a lot like soulmates to me. Probably the same thing.

I think what noleaf said sits the best with me.

[Whisperingwillow]

Hi all,

I also agree with noleaf.  I don't believe that we continually reincarnate straight away - meaning once 'dead' go and grab another body!  I think that imbetween we do things like be guides/teachers for other incarnated souls and learn other lessons in the astral realm.

I also believe that time is not exactly how we percieve it.  Have you ever considered that all lives are actually being lived at the same time, and that we only see the other lives we've lived (or currently liveing) as being 'past' lives because of our perception of time?  It's a big one to get your mind around - but it all comes back to our narrow minded veiw here on the physical plane.

WW

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I think you are viewing souls as too separate and unconnected. The more you move away from the physical manifestation the more connected we are, until ultimately we are all one. We are all just manifestations of the one Divineness.

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by Euphoric Sunrise

Originally posted by EOL007

Ah the  Twin Flames debate. here is one spin by the Arianni Masters (who ever they are)...

" Twin Flames are very different and very rare. Twin Flames are two people in two separate bodies that share the same Soul. Twin Flames meet each other in their first incarnation so that they remember the soul frequency of the other being. They are then usually reunited on their last time to this planet. If Twin Flames meet before they are ready they can be the total opposite and not at all compatible. When Twin Flames meet and are ready for each other, it is the most enjoyable experience possible on Earth."

Twin flame, eh? Never realised there was such a theory! []
Sounds a lot like soulmates to me. Probably the same thing.

[Kazbadan]

Noleaf, indeed i must agreed with you, it is a very good explanation. And i must confess, that if after death we would reeincarnate after some time, so i would fear much more the death. Why? Because that would meand that i wouldn´t have a "time to rest" paradise!

Just imagine: you die and you reeincarnate, you die and reeicarnate again....uff! It is stressing!! Life by itself is very stressing, but many lifes it is much more....we need a rest between each death, and i hope that we have that "astral holydays"!

[majour ka]

FOR KAZBADEN, hi, I know a guy who regresise people and frequently find people have been pigs, horse etc

[majour ka]

For W,willow, your right we spend typicly around what would be 70 years in the Astral, cleansing,recovering exchanging knowledge, teaching, studying, guiding but of course some very develepd souls have never incarnated on the earth plane and then there are others who will stay there for only a short period, yes we are all part of the whole and stay connected with all that is, in this dimension and the next but we also remain individuale as our mind energy lasts for ever.

[beavis]

Kazbadan (first post), any time can affect any other time. Time travel exists. The spirits who (re)incarnate into bodies do not have to do it by the rules of linear time because those rules are wrong. The spirits, if their quantity is fixed or variable, can incarnate in any body in any time in any order. It is not necessary for each body to be controlled by exactly 1 different spirit. And we have no proof that every body is attached to a spirit.

[Kazbadan]

MAJOR KA pigs and horses?! That´s funny! If true, what it would be the process leading some, let´s say, astral horses (or horse soul) to become an human on a new reeincarnation? If it is true that some people were dogs, cats, etc, so maybe there isn´t any gap on reeicarnation theory.

BEAVIS: that is a good explanation too, but i have a question about something you said ("We have no prrof that every body it is attached to a spirit"): If some bodys are not attached to a spirit, i ask if they have a soul or not? How is that, what do mean by not being attached to a soul?

[Van-Stolin]

Another problem is thinking of time as a liner thing.  This I don't think is true, but that time is really just there.  This being that a soul from the future, could just as eaisly be reincarnated into the past and then into some other point in time.  It is also likely possible that souls transverse dimensions as well, so a soul from another totally different Earth could be reincarnated here.  If you really think about it, physical laws have no bounds on the spirit, so it would be rather easy for the same soul to exist along side a person that they reincarnated from.

This being said, I will give an example.  Mr.A has just died and wants to see what his incarnation is like so he goes to see Mr.B in the time that Mr.B exists then later Mr.A decides to incarnate into Mr.B and that is as easy as Mr.A going to see Mr.B.  So you see, this could be why.

Also a part of your soul could be transferred to your kids too, and in this way make a new soul.

[Kazbadan]

Let´s suppose that there is only 4 persons in all the world (the objective of this number it is to simplify the problem).

Each of the individuals it is the reeincarnation of other person. So, this mean that in the past there were 4 other persons and that was the maximum limit of people in the world (as you know, in the past there were less people than now).

Now lets suppose that there is a new inborn, a new child came to the world...the fifth person. If in the past there were only 4, this one is the reeincarnation of what?! MAybe you can argue that it is a new soul, and that´s ok, but here comes the gap:

If we make the transposition of this analogy to the real world (not 4 but 5 bilion, not 1 new soul -never reeicarnated- but maybe half a bilion) we conclude that there many souls or people there, that never were the reeicarnation of any human beeing. But if we look to all the people that make regressive hypnosys, we will see that every individuals speaks on a past life!

Thats strange because there is a probability big enough to find people that never reeicarneted (this is their first encarnation) but we dont find such persons! We only find people that it is the reeicarnation of someone else...

How do you explain this?