What do New Agers base there morality on and why??

[Jenadots]

No, actually it doesn't.

It is simply quotations from a source outside of yourself.

[beavis]

Allanon "You guys all seem to follow some sort of moral code.

Interesting.

Interesting is it not that ALL OF YOU HAVE FAILED AT ONE TIME IN YOUR LIFE TO FULFILLING THAT CODE."

Physical existance FORCES us to not follow our own codes. If I were to follow mine...

"It is wrong to control any life form or its property except to stop it from doing what this sentence says is wrong."

...I would starve because I couldnt eat any plants or animals, but that doesnt mean its not wrong to kill them. You are a hypocrite. Your bible says everybody is a sinner so you cant follow your codes either.

[alchimiste]

Allanon,
To which "branch" of the Christian faith do you belong?

[Allanon]

quote:Allanon,
To which "branch" of the Christian faith do you belong?

12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by[3] one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
14Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" 22On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[4] ? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire[5] the greater gifts.
And now I will show you the most excellent way.

I was baptised by the Spirit and attend Evangelical Free Church. All "braches" of the Church are part of the Body of Christ.

However.

Those "brances" that continually reject the Word of God and its True meaning will be cut off from the Body of Christ like a branch that bears no fruit.

[LA FORET MAUVE]

didn't you fruited on a branch that felt a veeeery long time ago ?

[Tab]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon


12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by[3] one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
14Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" 22On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[4] ? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire[5] the greater gifts.
And now I will show you the most excellent way.

That quote would be much wiser in context to the body of all humanity rather than the body of one single organization.
Religions (real realigion, not dogmatic mainstream crap) are all just different colored doors to the same basic truth about the divine self. They are the vessel you assume through which you are able to discover your own true personal reality.

[Adrian]

Greetings Allanone,

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

I was baptised by the Spirit and attend Evangelical Free Church. All "braches" of the Church are part of the Body of Christ.

However.

Well I suppose that explains your evangelising []

The fact is, we are all an integral aspect of The All, God and Jesus, and The All, God and Jesus is an integral aspect of all of us.

In words you will accept:

Is it not written in your law, "I have said, You are Gods" ---John 10:34

On that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me and I in you ---John 14:20


I would suggest you think very deeply about these passages from the bible as written. They express the truth we are inseparable from God and vice versa, and God is not an autonomous deity standing in judgement over any aspect of humanity. We are all totally equal in the eyes of God, all part of the same Universe, and all subject to the same immutable Universal laws of cause and effect. No amount of words or books will alter that fact one iota.

I would also like you to consider very deeply what will happen to you when you pass on. Like everyone, you will transition to a part of the Astral realm analogous to your character, beliefs and development. If you really believe what you are saying, you will find yourself in a lower part of the Astral known as a "belief system territory", and which will be full of people like yourself all preaching to and trying to convince each other. Of course, after time, everyone in a BST will come to realise the reality, and can then move on to the mod levels of the Astral which are a whole lot more peaceful, harmonious and pleasant.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Allanon]

quote:I would suggest you think very deeply about these passages from the bible as written. They express the truth we are inseparable from God and vice versa, and God is not an autonomous deity standing in judgement over any aspect of humanity. We are all totally equal in the eyes of God, all part of the same Universe, and all subject to the same immutable Universal laws of cause and effect. No amount of words or books will alter that fact one iota.

Yes you are correct!!! We are inseperable from God and under the same LAW OF GOD. The problem is NONE OF US HAVE FULFILLED THAT LAW. WE HAVE ALL FAILED. NO MATTER HOW MUCH LOVE YOU SPREAD OR HALLMARK CARDS YOU SEND TO SICK OLD PEOPLE THE FACT REMAINS THAT AT ONE POINT IN YOUR LIFE YOU SLIPPED UP!!! The only Way to exist in the Kingdom of Heaven is if the Perfect Being of Christ takes your spot at the judgement.

quote:I would also like you to consider very deeply what will happen to you when you pass on. Like everyone, you will transition to a part of the Astral realm analogous to your character, beliefs and development. If you really believe what you are saying, you will find yourself in a lower part of the Astral known as a "belief system territory", and which will be full of people like yourself all preaching to and trying to convince each other. Of course, after time, everyone in a BST will come to realise the reality, and can then move on to the mod levels of the Astral which are a whole lot more peaceful, harmonious and pleasant.

As far as this New Age deception goes it is quite obvious that you are falling prey to Satans first lie. YE SHALL SHURELY NOT DIE.

THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH MY FRIEND AND YOU MUST REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU DIE YOU DIE. THE ONLY HOPE YOU HAVE IS TO BE RESSURECTED IN THE BODY OF CHRIST.

I was once in your shoes and bought the lies. I practiced AP and delved into the world of the Shaman. I had entity contacts that I now realize were demons tricking me into a false sense of security. They don't want you to accept the blood of Christ because that means you get away.

I am not trying to be an butt on this forum and truly do Love all of you in Christ because I know EXACTLY what you are going through. I am telling you that there is life after death but it is only to be found in the Perfect deity of Jesus Christ. If your APing means so much to you fine. But at least give Him a chance and pray to Him sometime just for curiousities sake.

quote:1Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual[1] act of worship. 2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.

[Adrian]

Greetings Allanon,

This is my final word on this topic.

You are personifying God as a vengeful, tyrannical deity, which is one of the biggest problems with the church.

There is no judgement only cause and effect. Your position in the Astral will be determined by your level of enoblement and your beliefs plain and simple. You might well find Jesus and go to heaven after you pass on, but the heaven you will find is one created by like minded people in the lower Astral.

The most powerful force in the Universe is unconditional love, without which the entire Universe would collapse into chaos. Everyone is an immortal spirit, and all have countless aeons if required to ascend to the level of unity with our creator, the ultimate destiny of all mankind.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[James S]

quote:
Yes you are correct!!! We are inseperable from God and under the same LAW OF GOD. The problem is NONE OF US HAVE FULFILLED THAT LAW. WE HAVE ALL FAILED.

If all you can see is the 'Law of God' as has been interpreted by man, then you will never understand the Love of God, as he has told us of himself.

quote:
I was once in your shoes and bought the lies. I practiced AP and delved into the world of the Shaman. I had entity contacts that I now realize were demons tricking me into a false sense of security.

If you are truly experienced in astral projection then you will surely be familiar with the concept that while in the astral your thoughts determine your reality. If you go looking for demons all the time what do you think you will find? Are you familiar with the term used in christian circles - Witchhunter?

You are so hung up on the fact that almost any spirit entity that you come across that doesn't fit the bill of God, Jesus or the angels is some form of demon. Do you presume to believe that God is so limited in his ability to create life that he is confined to only creating good spirits as humans have tried to define within the pages of the bible? Are you so arrogant to think that in the entirety of the universe and all its multitude of dimensions that the only good beings out there have all been catalogued by a few humans a few thousand years ago?

I like to think that I'm an even tempered person, and as a moderator here I'm  supposed to be someone that does not condone, let alone partake in any form of insults, but your comments speak of a mind so narrow that you could look through a kehole with both eyes at the same time. You are so dogmatic in your approach that you are completely blind to the fact that there are a great many people here, myself none the least of which, who have spent many years as christians going to church and study/prayer groups, reading the bible, and have come to the conclusion that IT IS NOT THE SPIRITUAL PATH WE WISH TO TAKE!

We are not sheep! Bible interpretations seem to want us to be sheep. Why? becase they are stupid and follow someone without thinking. Most current interpretations of the bible were assembled in the middle ages and used by rulers of the time to keep the illiterate masses in control by feeding them rubbish like "believe in the word or you will DIE!" Hellfire and brimstone preaching tactics no longer work on literate thinking people, who actually have an ounce of grey matter that they can use to decide what spiritual path they wish to take.

You may have noticed from other posts that I have no objection to people following the christian path. If they have genuinely thought about it and have chosen it of their own free will, then more power to them. They WILL be blessed! But so will anyone who chooses a path of light, and seeks out our one true creator.

Your words, your bible passages, your one track arguments have all been heard before, and indeed have probably been used by many of us oureslves at one time or another. They don't work! Get over it! If you wish to partake of these forums to share your opinions on subjects, then fine. You are welcome to. But just stop with the hard line evangelising!

James.

[Tao]

Allanon,
You haven`t answeared my little question...

Why did God said: "Adam where are you ? why are you hiding ?"
God can see everything..
This happend after the Great O` Sin

Mike

[curiousgirl]

Allanon, perhaps it would be good for you to talk to us in detail about your experiences in the astral.  it would help us to understand where you are coming from, and perhaps we can help you.  i think that's the main missing piece in all of this... what has brought you down this road.  your preaching is not going to get through to us, we can't understand where you're coming from because it is so illogical, but maybe we can have a good discussion about your experiences, and if you want a debate, we can debate over the meanings of your experiences.

[Allanon]

What is your standard for living and why do you think it is True. Are there any New Agers here that beleive in Absolute Truth or are you all relativists?