33-fold self

[pmlonline]

bliss is a bi***

Dear daem0n,

What is your defintion of bliss?  Some people might refer to bliss from the desire body.  The definition of bliss I am aware of only happens to maybe one or two people in hundreds years and has nothing to do with "feel" good.  It is beyond feeling.  It is when we connect with the entire universe and all things, reaching union with the Divine Self.

Love & Peace,
Paul

[daem0n]

for me it is not just feeling good, it is being nowhere and at the same time everywhere, i don't feel like being the whole universe, but i'm all things i interact with, the keyboard i write with, the screen i look into, i feel like not being my body, but rather everything i see, with sound it is slightly different, i feel like being there much less, and not in any form, with touch i feel both objects, the touching body and the object touched, like my body was an empty space and i'm surrounding it from all sides, and then i'm my body and at the same time everything i sense, if i start thinking or simply stop focusing on this world i'm nowhere, but when i search for a place where i wouldn't be i'm everywhere, yet flow of information is limited, i can't just become whole building with every detail i never seen, but only through my senses
the bliss i now talked about was being nowhere at all, some thoughts flow but i really don't notice them, my body and mind runs like on auto pilot, so where you expressed your doubt it wasn't me that replied to your posts, but rather remaining conditioning, snap responses which make you not look like victim, or rather look human, i haven't taken care of them, from obvious reasons, and then i just wasn't observing and controlling this conditioning, but being nowhere, or rather my focus, awareness was nowhere, yet somewhere, maybe everywhere, now it is back here

and i have one question:
if all those enlightened people already had their opinions formed before they became enlightened, or rather if their opinions allowed them to reach enlightment, have they been changed afterwards

[pmlonline]

and i have one question:
if all those enlightened people already had their opinions formed before they became enlightened, or rather if their opinions allowed them to reach enlightment, have they been changed afterwards

It's not a matter of having their opinions formed, but rather having a much better map of the path one is treading.  It is called knowledge.  The path I follow as taught by 1000's of enlightened beings is one of Heart & Knowledge.  The term Enlightened has become vague.  If you are referring to born again, union with the higher self, then absolutely there is a change.  Permanent union with the Higher Self means liberation from the reincarnation cycle.  With union they have access to unlimited knowledge.  They reach a state of pure Joy, not pleasure, even amongst a chaotic physical life.  They have 24/7 never-ending continuity of consciousness.  When they go to bed at night they don't fall asleep but rather slip out of body and are of service to others.  Union with the Higher Self transforms a person into Love.  The born again person looses the desire of the "Me, Me, Me" world and enters into a new world where Joy is Service To Others.    Shall I go on my friend?  

But that's not the end of the story.  There is always more light above.  After being born again / union with higher self there is union with the Divine Self.  Sorry if most of this sounds like repeat, lol.  I thought others might want to hear the good news.

Love & Peace,
Paul

[aleshah]

dear pmonline,

Divine self is the lower self, it is called divine, cause it
explores in many infinite ways.(Union is not divine, a function of divine)
Union is more likely to repeat all the knowledge, knowledge comes from Divine.Without Divine, there would be no knowledge for the union.Union forms just opinions, while divine lives the opinions.

dear daem0n,

the universe is not only outside you.

[pmlonline]

dear pmonline,

Divine self is the lower self, it is called divine, cause it
explores in many infinite ways.(Union is not divine, a function of divine)
Union is more likely to repeat all the knowledge, knowledge comes from Divine.Without Divine, there would be no knowledge for the union.Union forms just opinions, while divine lives the opinions.

And aleshah, who are those words?  Yours?  Can you point to any enlightened shim who teaches what you teach?

We simply disagree.  I chose to follow the teachers who are already liberated from the reincarnation cycle.  

One's belief system is the tool to remove limitations.  Some chose a more scenic route by following the dictates of their desire body which is more clever than you may believe.  Yet some follow a quicker path to liberation as laid out by countless liberated Souls.

Love,
Paul

[daem0n]

i write how i feel it, i know of micro/macro

[aleshah]

@daem0n: i know you know.
Your tools are coming from the knowledge of the macro/microcosm (altering
enemies trough microcosm, maybe passive, not desired by will)

Have you already experienced that outside senses are diffrent ones as inside senses?Karmic results.
I don't made the conclusion to link them yet.Later am i be.

@pmlonline:Free of incarnation, whatever, the divine moves beyond.It is divines game and rules are set by belief systems.Limitations.Remember anger is one of many paths to ascension. Responsibilties for limitations.Unity is the ratio set between and can't be removed.

Whoever said or tought about this before / after me must be a shim.As i am divine i have 'incarnational'  right to know it.The divine don't tell you in which other incarnations you are involved lol

[pmlonline]

Dear aleshah,

Remember anger is one of many paths to ascension.

I don't mean to be rude but sometime I have difficulty deciphering when you're being serious.  Ascension is relative to the polarity one follows; i.e., positive or negative.  Example, the Angelic kingdom is positively polarized where as the fallen angels are negatively polarized.  Yet each side believes they are ascending unless you are dealing with a trapped personality that was left behind.  Through love the angelic kingdom rises in vibration to the light.  Through anger the fallen angels lower in vibration away from the light.

Whoever said or tought about this before / after me must be a shim.

Hmm.  Again we may have different vision of polarity.  I choose to follow the polarities of beings such as Christ, Master Jesus, Master DK, and even Initiate Max Heindel, etc.

As a note though, one should realize that negative polarities in totality believe in self focus where as the positive polarities believe the answer is in service to others.  If one is attracted to unimaginable pain then perhaps one would follow the negative path.  Remember that service to self results in a dog eat dog world.  If one is attracted to joy and bliss then it is the positive path that they are aligned with.  Some may claim that bliss undesirable.

I am not here to judge, but rather offer any help that is accepted.  This may often sound like preaching to some but we are approaching the 1000 year peace period.  Those who are negatively polarized will not be allowed to reincarnate for 1000 years.  After the 1000 years of peace they will be given another chance.  If they again choose not to follow the light then I am concerned that they will become the next fallen angels.  Normally I do not want to focus on this but rather focus on the light.  Although on some occasions I am pulled to certain individuals to offer help.

Love & Peace,
Paul

[aleshah]

i don't follow your path, cause light sucks. indeed dog eat dog, i would never serve my help to so called 'master'.

As you maybe noticed time does no big role for me, and for so called 'angels' even lesser.
I'm not surrender of so called god or angels, i'm ratter amused that they try to divide theirself in unipolarities and don't recognize that they can be bipolar.
I'm amused about it that nobody comes to the sight that
this god turns the dark&light sides, so god/the biggest sucker decides who is dark and who is light and gives them wrong powers.


some visited links.
http://www.psipog.net
http://www.robertpeterson.org/obebook.html

[daem0n]

neither
still undescribeable
true light embraces darkness, we agree
transcendence comes from understanding, not negation
ascension is about transcending polarity
selfless to oneself, selfless to others, balance
"dark" believes is self focus
"light" believes in focus on others
two sides of the same coin, both look from self
note that my reasoning applies to beings here, now, on earth, humans

One's belief system is the tool to remove limitations.
it is the ultimate limitation, albeit enables to remove other, agreed

Some chose a more scenic route by following the dictates of their desire body which is more clever than you may believe.
important thing in conditioning of my (lower?) self highlighted, thank you for reminding, negation of desires nor transformation of them into desire to help others is still in self/others duality matrix

Have you already experienced that outside senses are diffrent ones as inside senses?Karmic results.
I don't made the conclusion to link them yet.Later am i be.
more explanation, openness

no enemies, only lost souls, only me
i can be others only as much as i can be myself, honing senses, understanding myself deeper and deeper, removing layers and layers of genetic conditioning
any other action except healing gives undesirable results, except for ultimate destruction, which gives even more undesirable results
death of self is not ultimate destruction, mind you
although my definition of healing extends beyond widely accepted conceptions

[aleshah]

still undescribeable

You never know what to heal and what to destroy, all you have to do is wait.

"dark" believes is self focus
"light" believes in focus on others

However dark and light can be switched, all you have to do is wait.

more explanation, openness

i believe that inside/outside senses need a balance, for general understanding of macro/microcosm.
Sense of beauty leads not to knowledge.Sense of balance leads to it.

removing layers and layers of genetic conditioning

...forgetting about your fathers and mothers.

death of self is not ultimate destruction, mind you

i don't agree
ultimate destruction leads to ultimate creation.

although my definition of healing extends beyond widely accepted conceptions

haven't met anything powerful, i admit
but normally i just drain them to their core (from experimentation), it never made sense to me to not change the attacker, and when they are weakened i "infect" their core pattern with positive energy, changing it's structure, and give some of their energy back, rest i give back to universe
after that i set them free, noone returned

[daem0n]

yes, healing requires investigation, destroying also
yes, balance above all
no switching, neither and both
..fathers.. removing their limitations, embracing their qualities
...destruction...creation yes, i reconsider my words and agree with you
that was my early method, useful for novice, now i have other

[aleshah]

haven't met anything powerful, i admit
but normally i just drain them to their core (from experimentation), it never made sense to me to not change the attacker, and when they are weakened i "infect" their core pattern with positive energy, changing it's structure, and give some of their energy back, rest i give back to universe
after that i set them free, noone returned

that was my early method, useful for novice, now i have other

Or should we really try to understand it all now?
try to understand nothing, really > *nothing* lol

don't try at all, silly

although my definition of healing extends beyond widely accepted conceptions

death of self is not ultimate destruction, mind you

don't try at all, silly

embracing their qualities

all you have to do is wait

bliss is a bi***

more explanation, openness

makes it harder to distinguish what is yours and what not, up to a point that is

That is fairly high level spiritual patronage.

The Goddess will always speak cryptically.... in the tradition of oracles which are never straightforwardly clear. You are meant to ponder what is said... maybe for years.

+/- 5 years

all you have to do is wait

Another explanation could maybe that time moves in cycles.

there is no 180° turn for duality.like there is no turn 360° for yourself

need fear keeping them alive, and still, some are to stupid too notice even that, darwin awards for example

worl hunger is not my problem, and i am not interested in it in a slightest bit, i'm interested in what i can do now

experiencing it i meant choosing what i want to make out of it, percieving it in the way i want

yes, this site is almost all blablabla, but it works

yes, healing requires investigation, destroying also

They recalled my memory and done very good psychological threats for my well being.They changed my old memories.However i don't need my past life anymore.I am awoke now

This was a cheap lesson

yes,....

the bliss i now talked about was being nowhere at all, some thoughts flow but i really don't notice them, my body and mind runs like on auto pilot, so where you expressed your doubt it wasn't me that replied to your posts, but rather remaining conditioning, snap responses which make you not look like victim, or rather look human, i haven't taken care of them, from obvious reasons, and then i just wasn't observing and controlling this conditioning, but being nowhere, or rather my focus, awareness was nowhere, yet somewhere, maybe everywhere, now it is back here

Red alert
Orange alert
Red alert again

bliss is a bi***

embracing their qualities

Another explanation could maybe that time moves in cycles

yes i lighted up desire, and in this form it was returned to me

A lot of Humans will have a hard time of it, almost certainly, but the planet will be here for a good many years yet. Fortunately the reign of the money-grabbing ego monsters is reaching the end of the line; and it is these people who will ultimately suffer the most. They passed the point of non-sustainability in the late 1970's and their days have been numbered ever since. Over the following decades, we will gradually see the empire of the ego monsters being replaced (as all empires are, eventually) with a more balanced breed of human; people who will build a new style of political system with compassion at its core, as opposed to advanced missile technology.

Seemingly green alert, based on the compassion system.

yes, altering DNA requires merkaba (supposedly), i'm doing it now but not on human consciousness level so don't really know how to explain it, this form doesn't understand it
this is not DNA activation but reconstruction (from other planes, as you know), but the body is all the time in 3D, up to some point, but i don't bother distinguishing it now

don't try at all, silly

As the games end - and most of us sense this change - humanity moves to higher frequency - this means we move our consciousness faster than the speed of light - and go beyond the duality. We now see the truth. We understand the nature of our creation - we become enlightened - for we are the Illuminati - the Enlightened Ones.

[pmlonline]

Dearest aleshah and daem0n,

You two have made it very clear which side you choose.  Yet another hand was extended to you both.  I wish you a lot of luck on your journeys!

Love,
Paul

i don't follow your path, cause light sucks. indeed dog eat dog, i would never serve my help to so called 'master'.

As you maybe noticed time does no big role for me, and for so called 'angels' even lesser.
I'm not surrender of so called god or angels, i'm ratter amused that they try to divide theirself in unipolarities and don't recognize that they can be bipolar.
I'm amused about it that nobody comes to the sight that
this god turns the dark&light sides, so god/the biggest sucker decides who is dark and who is light and gives them wrong powers.

neither
still undescribeable
true light embraces darkness, we agree
transcendence comes from understanding, not negation
ascension is about transcending polarity
selfless to oneself, selfless to others, balance
"dark" believes is self focus
"light" believes in focus on others
two sides of the same coin, both look from self
note that my reasoning applies to beings here, now, on earth, humans

One's belief system is the tool to remove limitations.
it is the ultimate limitation, albeit enables to remove other, agreed

Some chose a more scenic route by following the dictates of their desire body which is more clever than you may believe.
important thing in conditioning of my (lower?) self highlighted, thank you for reminding, negation of desires nor transformation of them into desire to help others is still in self/others duality matrix

Have you already experienced that outside senses are diffrent ones as inside senses?Karmic results.
I don't made the conclusion to link them yet.Later am i be.
more explanation, openness

no enemies, only lost souls, only me
i can be others only as much as i can be myself, honing senses, understanding myself deeper and deeper, removing layers and layers of genetic conditioning
any other action except healing gives undesirable results, except for ultimate destruction, which gives even more undesirable results
death of self is not ultimate destruction, mind you
although my definition of healing extends beyond widely accepted conceptions

[aleshah]

..
As i abused (experimentally) some enteties, i felt actually a change in the environment/energy, 1000 miles away from my

local.After that i healed this enteties.As i tried to abuse god, i felt anything and was ticked of, cause nothing happened,

and i felt anything, even with my psi.Notice: god can't be healed.

Maybe to this moment i blamed god, i just blamed my own a** on a parallel universe....My feeling was that light-pathways

to god(if they exist)  are very weak ones.
i've written the phrase (light sucks).Anyway i transcended  to the mass consciousness and it was literally full of dul and

junk.And i had the blessing, that evry entity,who claims to be god or have contact with god  is rater a big sucker/or a neg.
My abuse on light was also the abuse on dark.Cause both extremities are dangerous, specially for people, who are very

kind ones, very unevolved, who're  hear/here to  learn and to try something new.
It is a shame both parties (light/dark, no difference) look for exactly this kind of people, offering some help.This help
often a brain- ticket without respond on normal *human* level, even if they offered help,they've done it  for their own afford

(ego monsters) and not to go on your personal dilema by the *trick* pointing out, that this kind of person you are(victim),

that any information given to you  would be useless without their authority, cause they clame, you don't actually  tried any

products, they offered,those products, which they have got typically on their new commercial sites.Whatever, for real

spiritual development you need exactly zero of this products/seminars.Of course some of them are really from the light,

mostly those who offer help to  larger groups, who are open to start discussion with evry person and who can offer a

cheaper price set.They don't claim to have special count on people they are reaching.  
@dear pmlonline
sry.you m i be don't understood some facts and it would make any sense to reply on you, cause you
descibed you have nothing to learn, you are here just for help.Anyway, i have some hope/dope for you.I am amused  

what kind of  help you offered....and impressed of your kind words, anyway, my attitude was just to discuss on

human/human & divine/divine level and to exchange some psi-ideas/design and attain more information in grand

design..
I've got very fast the connection to the communication consciousness of the whole forum(i very fast got precog state and

seen replys on  forum i had seen  toughts vividly(telephaty) before...and later, online  i noticed some involved people,

who relates very on the tought context nor a creative tought imagination process, they've got very fast ticked of.
You missunderstood some facts, cause you very fast backfired with some net links without you own, your really own

personal meaning of it.
It seems you didn't  changed in  anywhere, after you read it.
One (the best)expample was the attaining the christ cosciousness.You rater felt the presence of Jesus Christ, not tried to

attaining, raise your awareness to the 4th dimension.Your responsed personally(backshielded with

information/disinformation) and repetition.
The other fail of you was as we discussed the transcending from duality.You just looked at us as some stupid geeks
and labeled youself as the great hand from above.
I feel much compassion to you, and i think it's ok for kind a person you are, to follow your spiritual path by 'ascended

masters'.Time will come and you will ascend to the light and come back again, if you are really ready
for the real journey.
There are some vivid  theories Jesus Christ was walking on water and changed the structure of water.Anyway this is  

whole another story. I wanted not blame Jesus Christ in anyway.It's just a shame
how people missuse information, best example you are holding in your hands:The Bible.

[daem0n]

embracing as needed, they are in the field of possibilities within all that you are, you may manifest and dismiss them as needed, they can also become your ultimate limitation, if attached to
trying as desiring, understanding as giving mind a favourite toy to gnaw  on
waiting is good for messiah, it serves little purpose
acting not trying, when needed, and when efficient
desire is a sense of lack, if you feel whole, desire is unfocused, desire body is integral part of subtle bodies, and cannot be removed
when bliss dominates, it is a bi***
stopped manipulating perception, i intend to see only what is there, and then choose what to make out of it
separation is a useful illusion

[aleshah]

desire is a sense of lack, if you feel whole, desire is unfocused, desire body is integral part of subtle bodies, and cannot be

Indeed, no  luck without a lack.
Messiah is a lack of desire. No desire, no emotional focus,dominated by duality.
Higher levels more active as lower,exclusive internal processing.Lack is patched by bliss of higher purposes,which don't fully balanced with lower.
Which results in not whole integrating of the living idle, which results in
obsession from lower levels.
A messiah can't wait, not for long.

[daem0n]

that is the image they maintain
but we both know that is cannot hold
regrettable that saint must be only from head up, for people to believe in him, for if he would have emotional issues and such, which he dealt with, people then will be obliged to do the same
sound's scary isn't it

[aleshah]

Messiah is a lack of desire.Let's call him Neo(This one from the matrix)
Lack is patched by bliss of higher purposes,which don't fully balanced with lower.Actually makes him to the rebel, attracted by rebelions.
Which results in not whole integrating of the living idle,but the ability to controll the whole matrix/or a part of it, which results in
obsession from lower levels - love to trinity, love to lower beings(computers)
A messiah can't wait, not for long, he must face his fears, otherwise he is obsessed from the lower levels, and he is aware of it.Only two ways are possible for him: to win or to  be a mertyr.


Sleepwalker/Skywalker is a lack of spiritual powers, a need of developing them.He is in permaining sleep, his dreams are clear and vivid.He has got visionary powers.Let's call him Luke, or Lucky Lucke.(This one from the star wars).Lack is patched by holding the higher spiritual force in his body for lower purposes(wars).Actually makes him to ultimate dominator of the universe,attracted by the dark side.Which results in not whole integrating of the human abilities, but dealing with psi powers, which results in embracing the qualities of the fathers, but fighting against them.
He is lucky, cause he is dull of emotions to protect the people and feels the presence of the dark force.
A Sleepwalker can wait for very long, but only for one mission.He must face his desires and attaining focus over them.He is in a permanent disorder(emotionaly).Only two ways are possible for him:to choose the dark or the light side.

[daem0n]

it's fascinating how words can become symbols, symbols gateways, gateways choices
oh, i have just been struck with 11:11, hasn't happenned for a long time
but we cannot mistake them for reality, neither let them become our reality, i have desire to interact, and you are awakened

[aleshah]

i'm just about gaining knowledge creatively no limits, but set points.(11:11 etc.)
Actually i am fascinated on telekinesis/scalar waves generation.
This is magik for the adept, deals with duality again...
look energy pages/meditation.A lot of useful spiritual awakening. brought to me by CaCoDeMoN:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/HOME.html

i think this has less to do with satanism, but more advanced medical knowledge.

[daem0n]

i was the one who gave him this link, although it was
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Meditations.html
it is useful indeed

[aleshah]

The Mer-Ka-Ba- teachings changed since then.(new mudraz).
Thos strange relationships between people, you never know how far they are reaching.

please explain you:

i have desire to interact, and you are awakened

any mod reading this please delete it

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[daem0n]

any mod ... - i double posted
i have desire... - i saw your explanations messiah/sleepwalker as refering to us, partly fitting descriptions

i will check this site closely now, again  
update: refreshing, although historical info is somewhat distorted, during war all sides are guilty  , i also wouldn't recommend dedicating your soul to him, for obvious reasons

[aleshah]

For kids & teens it is attractive to live their life free of
xtian rituals, like by women, who are weak/awakened, who like to be seduced/have sex with demons or satan...
The use of emtional control is brodcasted by music and tv(Southpark,etc.) and behind several subliminals

i don't believe in such forces, often behind this are hidden spiritual agendas and other control seeking.