i need help on making a voodoo doll

[Magick Labyrinth]

Well that depends, what are you planning to use it for?

[Man Of Jade]

Id be glad to help with magic if it was positive. I have issues about harmful things.

[Kiflarer]

to be honest i wanna make a voodoo doll to hurt someone so please for any help email me to killingsephiroth@hotmail.com

[Mirador]

Hey guys/gals, give Kiflerer a break! Who are we to judge whether or not he has a bonafide reason to make a voodoo doll?
Kiflerer, here's some pointers for a quick and easy voodoo doll. Buy a simple plastic or cloth doll, paint it black, then sew/paste a picture of your subject as a face. I assume you know what rituals and invocations to use.

Mirador

[13]

Be careful, the only avenue you have without incurring negative karma yourself is if the recipient is karmically due the negative effects in the first place, in which case you become the instrument of karma through your work. However, there is a very fine line between lawful karmic repayment, and blatant violence on your part, and if your intent is simply offensive, as opposed to making the recipient experience the fruits of their actions, then you will create new karmic causes that you must pay yourself. There is no way to be sure unless you can contact higher beings, or have access to accurate divination techniques...

There are two other factors to examine when you feel you have been wronged: (1) did you deserve this? ie, are you being repayed for karmic causes you created previously, and (2) how will things be with you if you let this be? ie, you actually stand to gain karmically by accepting events and possible wrongfulness against you. Many advanced practitioners actually allow attacks against them (which they defend) to go unpunished as this is meritous karma, along the lines of Christ's "Turn the other cheek" statement.

If you choose to attack, and are sure that neither the recipient nor anyone in their circle can counter-attack, then buy and practice "Voodoo Sorcery Grimoire" (search amazon) or try //www.guildofsorcery.com for some basic ritual work. Black voodoo is quite powerful because of the strong Earth magic techniques used, and the direct action of the lwa's (if you are successful). It is some of the hardest magic to break, but also some of the most insidious and, again, I caution you to seek better alternatives. You could make a Mercurial talisman (lawful vengence) or even an impromptu spell/thoughtform would do the trick with sufficient practice.

If you are able to make the spiritual and philosophical leap, I recommend turning your magical efforts to transforming your enemy into a friend - you are able to gain them as an ally and a resource, you no longer have to fight a magical battle, and Divine Providence will greatly esteem such excellent action. Almost all of the seasoned (wise) practitioners I know don't fight unless they really have to, and it's over something important. The practice of buddhist metta meditation or simple prayer are adequate for a novice to achieve a change of heart in the other person.

[Mirador]

I says it again. Kiflarer needs no preaching. Let's assume he knows what he's gonna do, and will assume responsibilities for his actions. He dont need no mumbo-jumbo about bad Karma. Say you go to a hardware store and want to buy a chain saw, do you need to have to sign a waiver that you ain't going to use it on people? Come on!  For crying out load!!!!

Mirador

[no_leaf_clover]

sounds to me like he's either intentionally trying to sound 'bad' to attract attention or else is seriously demented and needs help. []

[13]

Mirador - your comments show you are both a novice, and ignorant of the higher laws. I spent years performing black rituals, with low and earth magick (including voodoo), against anyone who offended me. I learnt the hard way (ie, my karma), and was severely berated by higher sources, for abusing magical knowledge. I also (fortunately) ran into a white magician that stopped me and explained how magical reaction really works, something of which I conveyed earlier. If you think Karma is mumbo-jumbo, why do you think voodoo is any less mumbo-jumbo? The whole question would sound like mumbo-jumbo to any untrained person. If Kiflarer wanted the answer of a novice, he would have posted elsewhere don't you think?

If I give detailed instructions of how to secure the mummia of the recipient, what the best times of consecration for the doll are, which voodoo loa's are most effective and how to sacrifice to them, how to draw the victim's astral essence in trance into the doll, how to cause various pains and diseases to beset the victim, I am karmically responsible for it all, as are you if you do so. I don't attempt to remove the freedom of anyone wishing to do so (unless they do it against me), but novices should be told that there is far more to black work than they think.

By the way, how many voodoo dolls have you made? How many ritual attacks have you conducted? How far does your magical knowledge go?....I will gladly be silent and listen if I have something to learn. If not, I suggest you be silent.

[Mirador]

13

I hope just this one fact puts that trap on your big keyboard (no to say your mouth : I live in the Island of Hispaniola, my father was born in Haiti, the birthplace of Voodoo. I was initiated very young into all this mumbo jumbo. I don't 'practice' anymore. Not because of your bad 'karma' stuff, but because Ive become a little more sophisticated, I think

Mirador

[13]

LOL []

quote:because Ive become a little more sophisticated, I think

I'm sure everyone thinks you've become a lot more sophisticated too.

I can't type for much longer...all these recent facts have somehow 'put a trap' on my keyboard...[:p]

[Kiflarer]

hey mirador i am glad your the only one who understands me do yo have msn??? contact me at killingsephiroth@hotmail.com
man your a good friend

[theta]

Be nice.. Full stop in the age of today. I couldn't care much about your petty ignorances, but you can sort this out without black magick.

As we are all heading towards a Global Ascession, don't you ever step back and take the care of thought that there are bigger issues here than your voodoo doll?

#920;

[Nita]

Hello Kiflarer
  I spend most of my time helping people with problems. Anyone who does any magic that is harmful to another can have that magic reversed upon them. I find that very satisfying in a lot of ways.
  You are either a raw novice who doesn't read books or websites on magic or you are trying to get attention. Either way remember that the things that you do are what you will suffer through.
  The law of cause and effect makes this certain.
      Nita

[rantboi]

Hello, I have a few pointers. (Yay, I'll actually help you this time.)

-The doll should probably be made of cloth, and stuffed with a certain herb (although it doesn't have to be)
-Magic works best if you put A LOT of emotion into it. So if you hate this person, express it in ritual.
-Having their picture is good, but if you can get some other personal things (like nail clippings, etc.), it will work better.
-I recommend you read Charms, Spells, & Formulas by Ray T. Malbrough for more info.

Kiflarer, have you ever tried doing anything on your own? Really, I'm quite annoyed how you just want answers, and don't do research for yourself.

To other members (hello Nita/13): No, I don't go around cursing people, but I do know how it's done. Kiflarer is probably a dabler, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. When he sees it's not how hollywood says it is, he'll run away and believe magic is fake. Also, Nita and 13, I agree with you to an extent, but if he wants to know, I'm not gonna preach at him about the dangers. ('Cause, I'm sure if he doesn't see 'magical' lights around his room, he'll run away.) Also, 13, just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean they are below you spiritually/or whatever. I feel that cursing/hexing is sometimes needed, but I haven't come to a situation where I had to practice that theory. (And hopefully, I won't have to.)

-Ater

[Mirador]

Here, on the Island of Hispaniola, the birthplace of Voodoo, specially in the Haitian side of the border, there's very little crimes of violence, like rape, murder.. The reasons is that people tend to channel their vengeful and destructive instints in a non-physical way, by the use of Voodoo rituals, such as the famous dolls. I regard the use of Voodoo ritual a as socially healthy way to resolve social conflict. Of course, there are more sophisticated ways to deal with the same problems, and I hope that since this is an intellectual environment, along with spiritual, fellow members can find more effective and elevating manouvers than recourse to such primitive operations, although picturesque, as Voodoo.


Mirador

[clandestino]

Hello Mirador !

Your statements on the social climate in Haiti / dominican rep. are simply untrue.

I understand that you might be proud of the country you are from, but this doesn't mean that you cannot acknowledge the problems it has.

In fact, sexual violence against women in Haiti is a far greater problem than in the rest of the carribean, let alone the rest of the western world.

http://www.jannagraber.com/hope_for_haiti.htm

[fredhedd]

i kinda thought mirador was being sarcastic in his first few replies. i did buy a half a size too big pair of shoes the other day though, so i guess i have been known to be wrong.  mirador, were you being overly sarcastic in your first few posts?

[Nita]

Hello Fredhedd
  I am sure everyone was just having strong feelings about the subject. I do know that most people who want to do these types of spells learn their lessons. I don't believe in preaching and anyone can find how to do these spells if they read. Dabblers should be warned about what can happen if they are capable of getting the spells to work.
  Nita

[Mirador]

Clandestino,

At least you should have told me that you've been there, and had seen first hand the situation in that godforsken place (it's not a country or a nation anymore), then we can exchange pointers. But to tell me you've read some hogwash in the net from a femenist group that quotes 'authorities' that make a living describing other people's miseries, and tell me you'd rather believe them. For crying out loud!!!

Mirador

[clandestino]

Fair point Mirador ! I haven't been there. But I used to work on a cruise ship in the Carribean, and I've met plenty of people who live on the island. They told me a fair bit about the place, not just the bad side !

I reckon hispaniola is in general a  good place to live...and you're right - its all too easy to get anything off the internet to support any view you might have !

kind regards,
Mark

[neo]

y do u wish to make a voodo doll, i hope it aint for me as u will be wasting ur time, and i thouht ur friend told u not to use evil energy, the only time hurting somone is not bad is when it is for the good of mankind. and if it is 4 me then u may end up getting hurt as u know by now my powers reach far and wide(talk on msn)

[KoolGZe]

13 I suggest YOU be silent. You suggested Bardon's books and that only shows ignorance of you.

[Kiflarer]

well like it sais i need help on making a voodoo doll how do i make that???