Children of forbidden unions?

[IequalMC2]

I think it's useful, to have a fully Downloadable Ego

And whom may you be addressing?

Not me...

[NickJW]

no im addressing Leyla, the chosen one whom God made half angel.

[sloof]

when a fish reaches toward strong current most are swept away

what can you do?

[IequalMC2]

Nothing

[IequalMC2]

Sorry to get all Dum again. I'll explain this for the first and last time hopefully. Somebloke means well but is misunderstood. If anyone calls Leyla an Icchantika, they are misunderstood.  

HEAR THIS DUMIS

I Tore IT Apart with My Bare Hands!

Guided I left My Sword and Presence (Mojo) elsewhere, and you know it!  

Again, much love and respect to all those that needlessly mock themselves.

[Souljah333]

Dearest Leyla,

I couldn't read through the entire thread...just time to glimpse and respond quickly. The arrogance, ignorance, & immaturity is not yours!!! You are keen enough to pick up on the subtleties of intuition, and reading between the lines.
Accept all that has been posted in reply for exactly what it is and nothing more....people's inabilities to explore their beliefs. Too much fear in the unknown (still), which is ironic for an astral forum...but non-the-less.
Had to take a little time to give props.

When you come out of the shadows and start making progress...expect to be attacked! It's a good sign, albeit more than a little frustrating.
(of course I=mc2 is omitted from the "pack")

Of course I am probably unintentionally adding fuel to the fire for inching into this thread...as I seem to have developed a following of hardened-minds that like to try and keep me check.
Let's hope their engaged elsewhere.

Not sure if this issue was resolved, but "humans" in general function are hi-bred...so yes...the possibility exists that "all" humans can AP/OBE, etc. (may cats can do it for Christ's sake...I don't see why the line is being drawn there) You brought up really intriguing things that are worth exploring, but people will work around them as they try to reel you back into the "established"...there's enough people working on that. You needn't (as I'm sure you feel) waste your time on the given.
It really takes a flexible mind to get in deep. Most people are only puddle-skipping. (I know that won't go over well...too bad..my truth).
gods/goddess/giants/nephilim/angels/archons/monsters/aliens/ancients...
whatever folks want to call them. I don't know where you came from, but you've crossed the line from "acceptable" intelligence into the realm of mystic (universal consciousness/cosmic intelligence)...and there's no going back, and there's no easy path, and there's no apologizing!

Let the Sheeple stay in the fields with their text-books and statistics, and all their scientific theories. Not everyone is built to go off the reservation. Not everyone is brave enough.
I find what you are doing extremely interesting and would love to be kept abreast of any further happenings.
There's too much out there to stick to the middle of the road.
Keep searching! Keep following the clues!

There's only thing I would disagree with, and that's that you did "ask" for it. You asked for it all, and I know when it all comes at you...it's a lot to deal with & decipher. One step at a time.

Respect/Support & Love from a fellow mutant-freak & mysfit!  
& fellow Intuitive Psychic...that's interesting!?!

Sister Soul

[IequalMC2]

DO as you will then

I have no enemies. Its alot harder to remain silent then it is to speak especially under false ridicule. Somthing I find sad (and this is like my brand new home truth) is that no matter where you go, even in thought there is always war, and that is sad.

They say I have 999 days left, LOL go figure.

[NickJW]

Leyla  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates#Socratic_method
Try it!

[kakarukeys]

Enki: Always trying to help humans
Enlil: Always trying to keep humans down.

I see. You spoke of different myth from mine.
But you don't have to go to Book of Enoch.

The very same story is told in the Bible. I should say most portions of the Bible is a copycat of Mesopotamian myths.

Enlil = Elohim the supreme God of Judaism.
Enki becomes the Serpent in Bible.

lulu and Adamu are just Eve and Adam.

and yes Judaism regards teaching human knowledge a very bad thing. That is what the story of Forbidden Fruit is about.

[Leyla]

SomeBloke is stalking me. He's got this mad conspiracy theory where I am Greek (?) and part of an international plot trying to take over the world through survailance equipment. (??!!)
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21022

I'm tempted to agree with him, just to mess with his head...

NickJW- As far as I can figure, you are fifteen years old, have never managed to AP (yet), and if the ancient texts are correct, about 14%-20% of the population would be half-angle. You are simply afraid of being left out. I don't know what to say. I don't have any answers either. I almost hope the same would happen to you, just so I could have a laugh watching you panic and scramble for answers just like I have.

Sister Soul. Thank you for your words. You've given me much to think about. I'll be mulling it over.

Sloof- a very interesting way to put it.

IequalMC2- You're hillarious!    (And a bit heroic, I might add.)

[jay dawg]

ANCIENT TEXTS MEAN NOTHING!11!1

you gotta admit, ancient people were complete dumbasses. they believed any and EVERYTHING. we have scientists now.

[Souljah333]

Dear Leyla,

Yeah...either this forum is running amuk-i with children, or they're just messing with you!!! Thankfully I feel you're a woman that won't fall "prey" to it!

Dear Dawg, ...2005 and we've come such a long way! NOT!   I am of course willing to concede to your ideas if you can give one scientific "fact" that proves anything one way or the other.

Soul333

[Adun]

Hilarious!
This thread reminds in a way of those funny "other kin" people. :smashfreak:


And souljah, calling adolescents children was pure genius!

[James S]

Whatever is considered "scientific" or "mystical" there still remains one consideration:
The missing link is still missing!

Homo Erectus -> ____ -> Homo Sapien. Who really can fill in the blank?

Darwin's Almighty Theory of Evolution consitently trips over this one, no matter who comes out with a freshly re-hashed version.

Spontaneous DNA mutation? Hmmm... That's one helluva precise and very well ordered mutation! Considering with most known DNA mutations the organism either dies or turns viral.

So we seem to be left with Atlantian/Lemurian, Alien or Angelic intervention.

Timelines according to mythology place the Atlantian civilisation about right. But who were they? Alien colonists, Angelic hybrids?

Science cannot prove evolution or DNA mutation, in fact more proof seems to be coming out to oppose it.
Science also cannot disprove outside intervention. Science can only relegate such ideas to the relm of "mystical" and therefore justify ignoring the possibilities.

Tell me though...
How many members here are aware of a past connection to Atlantis? How many sense an affinity with either angelic or alien presences?

Maybey it is in our genes after all, and Leyla has uncovered access to something that I know many others have also uncovered...
Genetic memory!

Blessings,
James

[mactombs]

Leyla, the story reminds me of different SciFi stories written by Larry Niven. I remember first reading them back in the day and wondering, why not? Why isn't it feasible that humanity was brought about in a different way? It's fun to think about at least, and to try to think about possibilities.

As far as Leyla's experience, we can't really interpret it for her - say she was hallucinating or whatever. We can only take it as anecdotal evidence and conduct an experiment ourselves if we are really serious about the matter.

[Heather B.]

Ancient people were complete dumbasses. they believed any and EVERYTHING. we have scientists now.

Science is by no means a modern phenomenon.  It's just as much a belief system as anything, and like all belief systems, it changes over time.  Yesterday's science is today's folklore, superstition, magic, and mysticism... and yet it has paved the way for all subsequent sciences.  Why should we think that today's science won't go the same way?  If anything, today's science constantly makes us aware of how much we don't, and probably can't understand using science as we know it.  I think that's probably a major reason most of us are here.  Personally I think science and mysticism are going to merge again, and when that happens, we'll find an immense wellspring of knowledge at our disposal.

And mythology shouldn't be sneered at either---I hope no one thought I was writing off Leyla's experience by discussing it in mythological terms.  I believe mythology and its archetypes are the Universal Language and Universal Memory.  Don't tell me it's just coincidence that throughout space and time, there are so many common mythological traditions.  Or that quite a lot of modern "sci-fi" and "fantasy" bears resemblance to ancient mythology?  Personally, I do alot of mythography myself--all my writing is heavily mythographical.  Connecting to, relating to, and self-expressing mythology is extremely powerful and ought not be a thing of the past.  Yeah, my writing would be considered fantasy, but it's much more than that to me.

The psychology of symbolism and mythology suggest their great import for human nature and the mind.  Perhaps we should try to push it into genetics and other "real" sciences.  Like I said, that's beyond me (for now, anyway)... but that doesn't mean it's beyond everyone.

[MindFreak]

If ancient people were so dumb, how did they build the pyramids and align them with the stars or how did they erct enormous obolisks? There were civilizations that new the positions of certain stars long before our scientists discovered them.

[MisterJingo]

Whatever is considered "scientific" or "mystical" there still remains one consideration:
The missing link is still missing!

Homo Erectus -> ____ -> Homo Sapien. Who really can fill in the blank?

Darwin's Almighty Theory of Evolution consitently trips over this one, no matter who comes out with a freshly re-hashed version.

Spontaneous DNA mutation? Hmmm... That's one helluva precise and very well ordered mutation! Considering with most known DNA mutations the organism either dies or turns viral.

So we seem to be left with Atlantian/Lemurian, Alien or Angelic intervention.

Timelines according to mythology place the Atlantian civilisation about right. But who were they? Alien colonists, Angelic hybrids?

Science cannot prove evolution or DNA mutation, in fact more proof seems to be coming out to oppose it.
Science also cannot disprove outside intervention. Science can only relegate such ideas to the relm of "mystical" and therefore justify ignoring the possibilities.

Tell me though...
How many members here are aware of a past connection to Atlantis? How many sense an affinity with either angelic or alien presences?

Maybey it is in our genes after all, and Leyla has uncovered access to something that I know many others have also uncovered...
Genetic memory!

Blessings,
James

Could you please provide me with some links or resources to this evidence against evolution and genetic mutation? I'm genuinely curious. Years ago in A level biology I did experiments on fruit flies which showed inheritance first hand, it also showed genetic mutation. The fruit flies were used due to their minute lifespan, so many generations of evolution could be observed relatively quickly.
The lack of a fossil does not disprove a theory which has been proved scientifically. By this I mean such things as genetic inheritance, and being able to trace ones family back through time genetically. Or do you believe genetics is false? This would have major implications on many criminal investigations and paternity cases.

[MisterJingo]

If ancient people were so dumb, how did they build the pyramids and align them with the stars or how did they erct enormous obolisks? There were civilizations that new the positions of certain stars long before our scientists discovered them.

Which stars were these? Many ancient people had a very good grasp of mathematics, to most early civilisatios mathematics was a sacred thing.

[MisterJingo]

Ancient people were complete dumbasses. they believed any and EVERYTHING. we have scientists now.

Science is by no means a modern phenomenon.  It's just as much a belief system as anything, and like all belief systems, it changes over time.  Yesterday's science is today's folklore, superstition, magic, and mysticism... and yet it has paved the way for all subsequent sciences.  Why should we think that today's science won't go the same way?  If anything, today's science constantly makes us aware of how much we don't, and probably can't understand using science as we know it.  I think that's probably a major reason most of us are here.  Personally I think science and mysticism are going to merge again, and when that happens, we'll find an immense wellspring of knowledge at our disposal.

And mythology shouldn't be sneered at either---I hope no one thought I was writing off Leyla's experience by discussing it in mythological terms.  I believe mythology and its archetypes are the Universal Language and Universal Memory.  Don't tell me it's just coincidence that throughout space and time, there are so many common mythological traditions.  Or that quite a lot of modern "sci-fi" and "fantasy" bears resemblance to ancient mythology?  Personally, I do alot of mythography myself--all my writing is heavily mythographical.  Connecting to, relating to, and self-expressing mythology is extremely powerful and ought not be a thing of the past.  Yeah, my writing would be considered fantasy, but it's much more than that to me.

The psychology of symbolism and mythology suggest their great import for human nature and the mind.  Perhaps we should try to push it into genetics and other "real" sciences.  Like I said, that's beyond me (for now, anyway)... but that doesn't mean it's beyond everyone.

Hey Mrs. Murphy,

Could you please provide me with some links or resources to this evidence against evolution and genetic mutation? I'm genuinely curious. Years ago in A level biology I did experiments on fruit flies which showed inheritance first hand, it also showed genetic mutation. The fruit flies were used due to their minute lifespan, so many generations of evolution could be observed relatively quickly.
The lack of a fossil does not disprove a theory which has been proved scientifically. By this I mean such things as genetic inheritance, and being able to trace ones family back through time genetically. Or do you believe genetics is false? This would have major implications on many criminal investigations and paternity cases.

I would say that today's science is different from that in the past due to in not having any true belief system or mythology attached to it. It's simply creating a hypothesis and either proving it through empirical evidence (i.e. the results are repeatable by whoever does it however many times they do it).

I agree mythology shouldn't be sneered at. There is potentially a lot of (missing) history stored in it. A lot of mythology could potentially be the symbolism of the mind, archetypes of the subconscious made manifest in tales and legends. This could potentially explain the similarity of certain myths throughout many cultures and times – that is we each share the same mind structure, and so the myths which arise from it are sufficiently similar.
Could another possibility be due to our shared origins? Man originated somewhere in Africa, so at some point we were one tribe. Somehow original myths perhaps stayed with each tribe which split from the original and populated the world?

[James S]

Hi MisterJingo,

Here are some links to look at:

www.inthelight.co.nz/spirit/pg-evol.htm

This is a comprehensive site:
www.detectingdesign.com/earlyman.html

The second doco does show how using DNA & mtDNA testing as proof is prone to error. This is one extract from that site:

Then there is the argument of Neanderthal DNA.  On July 11, 1997, the announcement was made in the journal Cell that Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) had been successfully recovered and sequenced by Svante Pääbo and his team.25  Of course there were statistical differences between Neanderthal DNA and the DNA of modern humans.  These differences were used to calculate the evolutionary divergence of Neanderthals from a common ancestor to around 550,000 to 690,000 years ago.  It is thought that Neanderthals then became extinct without contributing mtDNA to the modern human genome.  In other words, Neanderthals were just one of many offshoots or splinter groups that became extinct but who were not direct links to modern humans in our evolutionary branch.  

       However, there are just a few problems with this theory.  One problem has come to the forefront with movies such as Jurassic Park and with the publicity of the O.J. Simpson murder trial where DNA technology played a prominent role.  Some problems that were brought more clearly to light by these media events is that DNA does not last very long.  It breaks down fairly rapidly depending on environmental factors.  Even under the most favorable conditions, many scientists believe that DNA cannot remain identifiably intact beyond a few tens of thousands of years. 27,28  In light of this fact, it is unlikely that very many Neanderthal skeletons would contain intact DNA, even with such relatively "young" remains dating to between 30,000 and 50,000 years.  The common explained solution to this problem is that in certain environments, especially very dry and cold environments, DNA can last much longer than it can in warm wet environments.  However, even in these "protective" environments, DNA still breaks down at a fairly rapid rate.  The rate is so rapid in fact that few scientists believe that it could last much beyond 50,000 years.  Because of these decay problems, the reports of DNA being recovered from insects trapped in amber that is millions of years old are now being called into serious question.29   In any case, even for Neanderthal bones that are thought to be fairly "young", finding DNA that can still be sequenced is turning out to be quite a rare find indeed. Because of this problem, repeatability is becoming a real issue in the study of Neanderthal DNA.  As it turns out, mtDNA recovery from Neanderthals has only been done three times.  Others have found it very difficult to repeat Pääbo's results.  Since the scientific method is based on repeatability, the whole issue of Neanderthal mtDNA and its implications comes into question.

The other problem with using DNA for the answers is in looking for the similarities. Consider that humans and chimpanzees share just over 98% of the same genetic material. That less than 2% makes all the difference.

While I agree that genetic testing has provided a great deal of value by way of DNA fingerprinting, it still does not provide any conclusive proof where it comes to tracing our prehistoric lineage.


James.

[Leyla]

James S- Wow. I didn't know even half of that information you gave on DNA mutation.

I didn't get any information or answers out of them. Just "implication."

I am frustrated there was not more.

The only point they made was: "You don't understand/You don't know what you're doing/You shouldn't be doing this."

So all I know for certain, is that there is a lot I don't know!

[James S]

Don't feel disappointed Leyla!

We are but impatient children ever asking "why".
The wise elders know that to just give us the answers would be to spoil us, and we would not learn.

That you have been given even a glimpse of understanding is something to be treasured, even if one answer raises a dozen more questions.

Such is our path of evolution.

That fragment of understanding that you've uncovered may come at a price, and the slap on the hand you recieved for peeking under the covers may simply be to test your resolve.

What is your resolve?
Do you dare to look further?

Blessings,
James.

[Souljah333]

Dear MrJingo, Could you please provide me with some links or resources to this evidence "for" science reigning highest on the scale of truths?!?
Just kidding...I don't really want links & resources (really). I work with my own truth, no one elses...but i'm intrigued by your passion for proof!

i haven't bother talking much about my view points with the 'falling veil' of our perception, and how i believe parallel worlds to be merging, but it falls somewhat in line here, with 2012, and the ushering in of another golden age, etc. i've avoided it bcuz it involves a lot of personal work & insight on my part that is too easily discredited by the masses...and why would i want to subject myself to rigid two-dimensional pessimism?!? backing up my ideas comes through astral travel, trance, channeling, divination, dreams, etc...not much weight for the scientifically minded.

still...to sum it up as clearly as i can...i see a point in time where the world was "whole" (corresponding the golden age). a time when magic & manifestation was available to all who practiced at it. fairies, goblins, dragons, wizards, demons, angels, cyclopes, unicorns, and humans, etc...all living in each others midst's. when giants walked the earth and came into women and they were good, and all that jazz!

supposedly a 65,000 year cycle (going from gold to silver, to bronze and into iron) this is the so-called iron age we live in now. when we are furthest from spirit and our universal intelligence. gold is when we pass through it, and silver begins the waining process...much like the cycles of the moon. i guess you have to be a woman to really have a deep feel for it all. or at least be in harmony & balance with your divine energy. science is at the opposing end of the scale. so an excess of one side or the other, neither is helpful. this also involves my feelings on dualistic thought, and extreme perspectives...where the truth is ultimately given in the middle.
not in the black & white/cut & dry version (but that's another matter).

we are so far away (in this iron age) from the mystical that it's difficult to recognize & comprehend that which we cannot see & touch. however the 'flip' will be sudden & spontaneous. already more and more people are picking up on spirit, and etheric information. more people under attack, more people having spontaneous obes, etc...and even scientists leaning more towards the mystical (as AMM mentioned).

i've never cared much for science...it always leads to vivisection and dis-embodiment. i've never been able to put much stock in an art that comes to it's conclusions through constant separation. only in the last decade has that begun to change...where science is only now beginning to add up all it has dismantled & identified. i guess that's just how it woks?!? how it comes round full circle?!? just seems so damn slow, and in the end we all find ourselves back at square one. i'm not going to claim to know anything about genetics, but i have heard that the male chromosome is lacking. sometimes i wonder if men can "feel" that?!? if there's a certain desperateness to everything...in knowing that they're a dying race???

also a link for fun! (if you can afford it)
The Genographic Porject
https://www5.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/

note: i have struggled with the idea of the 'flip'. why wouldn't we "wax" back into the golden age as subtly as we waltzed out?!? i have no idea.
i know there's also talk of an actual pole shift in correspondence with 2012 & planet X....also with polar caps melting, etc. why not!?!

though from what i have available...it isn't so much a 'phasing' thing (like the moon/tides)(that ebb & flow...where things swing to one side and then the other). this is more cyclical like a calender or astrological signs...of which, you don't get to the end of and turn around to cycle back through each month till you reach the beginning again. nope...we go right from dec.31st straight into an entirely new year. maybe it's like that!?! it all as something to do with alignment! that after 65 thousand years the earth, our galaxy, and the universe will (again) be in polar alignment. what does that mean exactly? i have some idea about thing working only when they are in alignment (like radio signals), but i have absolutely no idea for sure (not any that i can include links to )...but i like to think that a lot of s--t is going to change!

[NickJW]

Leyla, I have astral projected but I follow Frank's phasing model. I don't believe in alll the mystic junk surrounding it. That just makes it into a religion. If you think becasue someone astral projects they will believe in all this angel non sense you really are naive. My mind isn't influenced so easily. Humans are not half angel and evolution HAS been scientifically proven. You are making many false assumptions about me Leyla, I am just intelligent enough to know what is possibly real and what is obviousily not. I base my beliefs on experience, logic and science. Perhaps you should try it. You are not a half angel.

And Souljah, uh, the proof that science ranks highest in the scale of truth is all around you. Seriously you people shouldn't kid yourselves. It's ok to believe what you want but you can't seriously deny scientific evidence and proof when it is right in front of your eyes.
                                    GO SCIENCE!!!!