Children of forbidden unions?

[Leyla]

Please bear with me, I tested the myth, I wanted to see what would happen.

From this experiment, I know beyond any shadow of doubt, there is some truth to the Babylonian/Mesopotamian myth.

As some of you will already know, according to Greek manuscripts, known as "The Lost Books" of the Bible, the abilty to have Out-Of-Body-Experiences means you are a half-breed angel.

For the crime of inbreeding with humans, and teaching them forbidden knowledge,  these angels were thrown into prison for an eternity. It then gives a list of names of angels in prison.

Not knowing what to believe, I lit a prayer-candle for the redemption of these angels. I bought a candle, and with a shaking hand, wrote all the names of the imprisoned on it. I called to my guides and all of heaven to witness.

I left the candle burning and went to bed.

In that twilight state, (mind awake, body asleep) they swept down in force. I could feel they were baffled by me. They were all-too-aware of what I had done. They seemed frustrated. Very.

I heard a booming voice: "WE HAVE SEEN, AND HEARD, ENOUGH."
And then *whack* my candle was knocked right off my alter,  and put out.

I knew what I had done was contraversial to begin with. But I also knew no harm could come to me because I was only praying for lost souls.

(Foolishly?) I arose from bed, and re-lit the candle, and said it was my guilt, that I wouldn't want someone being imprisoned for loving me or giving me secret knowledge.

I got the impression from them that they felt I had no idea what was really going on. "You don't know what you're doing."

Question: What does this mean? Is it true then? That we who have OBE's are half-angel? Children of forbidden unions?

I mean, they answered me didn't they?

[MisterJingo]

AFAIK everyone has the ability to OBE, i've even managed to get people who had no interest outside of materialism to project. It seems when my practice is strong, those who sleep (physically) near me also experience OBE symptoms or full projections. This also occured to university friends who slept in the room next to mine. If everyone could project under the right circumstances, this would mean the entire human race were half-breeds.

[IequalMC2]

Oh Dear

Seems a little unfair to me. Gona have trouble sleeping tonight.

[NickJW]

master jingo is correct, astral projection can be learnt from ANYone. Humans are human look at their DNA. No angel dna will be found.

[Heather B.]

Interesting post, Leyla.

I'm not familiar with the "Lost Books," but even the Book of Genesis suggests that all the intellect and self-consciousness, contained in that magical apple, was explicitly forbidden.  In effect, nearly all human knowledge as we know it could be considered forbidden knowledge.  That knowledge and self-consciousness fundamentally changed humanity... we became a self-made, and hence flawed species.  It was the ultimate affront to the Creator, so naturally, He condemned both His human creatures and the rebellious angel who had led them astray.  

In Judaic folklore, the real first woman, Lilith, who was expelled from Eden because she refused to be passive and submissive to Adam, went out and interbred with angelic beings, and gave rise to a race of demons.  In both cases, it's clear that humans + angels = demonism, or at least a tendency to it.  

Of course, it's important to distinguish these "angels" from the Heavenly Host of messengers, warriors, worshippers, guardians, etc.  My guess would be that it was spirits of this latter group that came and admonished you against praying for the imprisoned angels/demons.

It's not a uniquely Judeo-Christian myth... for example, Prometheus was very harshly punished for empowering humanity with the gift of fire.  There are similar stories from around the world, but they escape me at the moment... I need to brush up on my mythology.

It's difficult not to feel at least the tiniest bit of sympathy for such figures as Satan and Prometheus; humans wouldn't be what we are today without them... and we naturally assume that what we are today is a good thing.  Heaven clearly disagrees, though.  If the way we are were OK, then we wouldn't need redemption, would we?

Mythology aside, though, no I don't regard astral projection as a forbidden, demonic, or particularly extraordinary thing.  If anything, I think it brings us more in touch with our original, pre-Fall nature.  Back to the days when humans saw and sought out the face of God and were unafraid of the universe.  Maybe it's just one more path to redemption... the secret, inward path to the Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus speaks of.

Sorry for rambling on!  :blahblah:  

[Leyla]

Ah, I see I did not go into enough detail....

Yes, that's just the trick, according to these myths all human beings are part angel. Every one of us. They created humans as slave-labor.  So it's in all our DNA.

It depends on how *much* angel you have in you. Are you half or more? There was even talk of genetically producing a creature that is fully fallen angel and fully man. A "bastard angelic incarnation."

Certainly we all have OBEs. But how few of use remember them, much less can control and direct them?

And how few of those among us have the abilities of a Gibborim: "powerful psychic abilities like out-of-body experiences, levitation, mind control, time travel, mind reading, remote viewing, the power of placing curses and diseases, the power of removing curses and diseases, and ways of knowing and predicting the future..."

Look, if I didn't tap a nerve I don't think they would have shown up. So there has got to be something to it.

I mean, there are bits of our DNA that scientists can't explain and don't know what it's used for.

[kakarukeys]

NOPE, you are wrong pal.

According to Babylonian/Mesopotamian myth, the creatures who taught human knowledge were huge monsters that emerged from Red Sea during the rules of the first few antediluvian, mythological kings.

The Myth you told is definitely of Judaic, Christian origin.

[Heather B.]

Leyla,

Sorry, I was off-target... that's what happens when I think too much. :poh:  I was thinking pure, old-fashioned mythology, but you're speaking of something beyond me.  I've never considered a genetic relationship between humans and angels, nor the part about angels creating humans to be slave labor... but that's just my admittedly limited knowledge.

I have a question: who exactly were "they"--the ones who responded to your act?  And how did you know who they were?

[NickJW]

Actually, evolution is what really occured, none of these myths actually happened. There is useless DNA in all living things, and that dosen't mean that they are all part something else. In fact, human and cimpanzee DNA is 96% identical. Does that mean chimps are half angel too? Seriously come on, humans are not half angel. Humans are part of the superfamily known as Hominoidea. Humans are humans and that is it.

[MindFreak]

The Gods form the mesopotamian myths were Ets. Just like the gods of egypt, greece, and so on.

[moogle_assassin]

I am not preaching any personal beliefs, just a theory(I am full of them). Maby the text means that people who naturally can AP, levitate, control minds, time travel, RV, inflict diseases, and heal are half breads but that doesn't mean that you have to be a half bread to learn how to preform psychic feets?

[Heather B.]

Well, back in the day, such explanations were the only explanations, even for the most natural phenomena--and I do believe that one day, all of these phenomena will be found to be perfectly natural, just like diseases.  But the earlier explanations were that people were inhuman or half-human, or humans who were possessed by demons, or people who practiced witchcraft, etc.

Today, some people still consider "occult" practices to be of demonic origin or influence.  But just as we now understand that disease is caused by bacteria, viruses, cancerous cells, and the like, I think that one day, we'll understand what brings about AP and all these other currently mysterious practices.

Just food for thought.

[Leyla]

kakarukeys

NOPE, you are wrong pal.

You're thinking of a completly different myth, "pal."
The Anunnaki came to Earth from outer space. The name literally means 'Those Who from Heaven to Earth Came.'

NickJW

Does that mean chimps are half angel too?

The chimps were already here. Finding them to be clever, the Anunnaki mixed in their own DNA.

The Anunnaki did not want to do any work in the mines, so Enki talked  to the Council's and had his half sister Ninhursag, act as a surrogate mother to a half-human half angelic female hybrid, made with one of her own eggs and a bit of clay, they called her "lulu". They also created a male called "Adamu." Their purpose was to work in the mines as slave labor.

The first of these creatures could not procreate. God Enki then decided to make humans who could procreate. Enlil was angry about this, because now humans were like unto themselves, the gods.  

The God Enki also created race of human leaders even further enhanced with Anunnaki genes. Anunnaki were taking human wives. Enlil was angry about this, and did not like angel blood being polluted with human blood.

Enki and others were also teaching humans forbidden knowledge. This made Enlil even angrier so they decided to leave mankind to die in a flood, to wipe out these "polluted" mixed race humans.

Enki of course, decides to save them, and tells one human "Gilgamesh" how to build an ark.

Enki: Always trying to help humans
Enlil: Always trying to keep humans down.

The whole story bears a striking resemblance to the book of Enoch.

[Chapter 6]

1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, 8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.

[Chapter 7]

1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

[Chapter 8]

1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .

There is one very striking difference in the two accounts.

According to the Mesopotamian myth humans being inbreed and given knowledge is a very GOOD thing.  

It even makes the claim that being mixed with them, the gods, is what gives humans their souls and thus eternal life.

But according to the "Lost Books" account, it's a very BAD thing.

It's as if, one book is told from the perspective of Enki and the other is from the perspective of Enlil.

[jay dawg]

lots of nice myths here. but thats what they are. none of them actually happened. no one should believe anything other than what they know here and now. so if you say they talked to you and blew out the candle, well perhaps, like you said, you were in trance and hallicinated/dreamed the whole thing. seems logical to me.

i was under the impression that angels didnt have sex organs. yes the bible says so. not that i believe in the bible or angels anymore (i use to be a hardcore christian/prophecy studier HEH), but if you are going to play along, at least use their jew rules, no?

im pretty sure what happened is  "adam and eve" stumbled uppon a drug and then their minds were opened and they suddonly knew god and what was going on. this happens even today with a good enough high. that is what happened.

[MisterJingo]

lots of nice myths here. but thats what they are. none of them actually happened. no one should believe anything other than what they know here and now. so if you say they talked to you and blew out the candle, well perhaps, like you said, you were in trance and hallicinated/dreamed the whole thing. seems logical to me.

i was under the impression that angels didnt have sex organs. yes the bible says so. not that i believe in the bible or angels anymore (i use to be a hardcore christian/prophecy studier HEH), but if you are going to play along, at least use their jew rules, no?

im pretty sure what happened is  "adam and eve" stumbled uppon a drug and then their minds were opened and they suddonly knew god and what was going on. this happens even today with a good enough high. that is what happened.

Theres a lot of credible theories out there regarding our early religions and myths being brought about by the ingestion of psychedelic plants - well that and limited understanding of the world and laws of nature. Many primitive tribes in the jungles of the world still regularly ingest pshcyedelics to talk with God etc.

[MindFreak]

And the name of the first man created by Enki was Adam.
The Annunaki are on a planet that is said to be our tenth planet, speaking of which Im sure you've heard that a 10th planet was discovered recently.

[Arn de Gothia]

Angels, if they exist cant breed with humans because we have solid bodies, angels are spirit beings witch means that they dont have dna...damn it!

[jay dawg]

exactly, no sex organs. so i would obveously hope everyone else completely doubts the credibility of the all the rest of these ancients myths which say otherwise.

im pretty sure it is 100% impossible for the planet X or tenth planet to sustain life. its frozen and im sure if something was there they would have found it already. all myths are lies. the only thing which is true is what we can experience today.

[Leyla]

so if you say they talked to you and blew out the candle, well perhaps, like you said, you were in trance and hallicinated/dreamed the whole thing. seems logical to me.

Perhaps you don't realize, but this is an astral projection board. Or are you one of those who don't believe OBE's are real?

If you will notice I have almost 500 posts. I have been here many years. You are a newbie, unaware of my reputation as a seasoned AP/OBE practictioner. Lets just say I have earned frequent flier miles, and people do not doubt my word around here. If I said it happend, it happened.

In fact, The majority of my experiences are quite ordinary, as far as OBEs and APs go.

The candle incident actually happened about a year ago. I did not think much of it when it occured. It was not until just a few days ago I was thunder struck with the significance it implies.

i was under the impression that angels didnt have sex organs. yes the bible says so. ... if you are going to play along, at least use their jew rules, no?

Christians only think they know what jews believe. The two religions cannot be further apart. Jewish myth says two angels came down and copulated, teaching mankind how to have sex.

angels don't have sex organs.

This is why so many believe the "angels" in these myths are really aliens.

Maybe you haven't discovered, or read about this yet, but you don't need a physical body to have sex. Many people have experienced astral sex. It is quite common.

One part of the myth says we get the physical bodies from our human mothers, and our spirit bodies from our spirit fathers, which is why our spirits are able to leave our fleshly bodies and escape back into the realm of the spirit.

So in other words, we got both. One of each. From each parent.

[jay dawg]

hmm interesting. well i cant personally accept anything like myths unless i see it for myself. and i was under the impression that jews wrote the bible.

still perhaps u shouldnt deny so quickly the possibility that the candle experience was just an LD. although only u can decide as u were there

[NickJW]

Ok then Leyla. I don't care how many posts you have made, you are a mystic and one who makes many false assumptions. You can learn about something for decades, but if all the knowledge is false then what good is it? Humans are not half angel, if angels exist they are probably just spirit guides who shape shift. Believeing in such absurd myths just shows how little intelligence you really have. And humans are made from a physical female AND a physical male, not a spiritual male. :question:

You just want yourself to feel special by saying, "hey everyone, I'm half-angel! I'm an angelic being! I am far superior to all you!"

[Leyla]

u shouldnt deny so quickly the possibility that the candle experience was just an LD.

I understand, but it can't be an LD if my physical candle is physically knocked off it's alter. That was the real clincher for me.

NickJW- you are extreemly defensive, not to mention judgmental. Where is this attitude coming from?

You just want yourself to feel special by saying, "hey everyone, I'm half-angel! I'm an angelic being! I am far superior to all you!"

Ah-ha! So that's what it all boils down to. What a telling remark. You're afraid of other people feeling special.  

You don't even know what I have had to go through!!!!!

I didn't ask for this- it just frigging happened to me!

You can ask people what I was like when I came to this board; I wasn't rejoicing in my own "specialness," you fool!  I was resentful as hell. Like I'd been cursed.

The only comfort I have is that I am not alone. There are others like me. On this board, I am "normal."

I have since figured out people will gladly pay for my talents. I make a living as an "intuative psychic." (If it won't go away I might as well use it.) So that gives me some consolation.

Do you ever consider that someone like me feels like a freak? Who can't stay in her body, and who knows things she has no way of knowing,  Like some kind of mutant?

Let me tell you something, "pal,"- I have sat up at nights terrified of my own self because I feel creepy and unnatural.

I want one thing, I want to know WHY. WHY am I like this? WHY do I have to be so differant and weird?

I am my own X file!

So I search, I search everywhere, what ever seems to hold some kind of answer. I need an answer.

And finally I feel like I'm onto something. A clue. A precious clue to what I've been hunting for YEARS. So I can finally have some peace.

And all you can do is worry that I might feel special?

Well you know what? That is just ignorant.

[SomeBloke]

I am sure this topic interests you greatly Leyla!
What do you mean you are your own X file?
Are you really from Bangladesh?  Kewl.

[IequalMC2]

Andigarimisou.

[NickJW]

Sorry when I meant special I also meant you are hungry for attention by saying your half angel. That entire last post proves it "o look at me, my life was so bad blah blah blah, everyone feel sorry for me!"

Thats your own problem if you think your a mutant because you have powers which most people would consider a gift. You're ungrateful and obviously lacking attention, which is why you come here, brag about your superiority, try to be special and gain attention.

Your arragance is immeasurable.