Have anyone tried OBE with DMT?

[Jon_88]

I am beginning to think this drug may be my best chance for an OBE. I just get kundalini experiences when i try to OBE the normal way. So have anyone tried it ? How was it. Did you meet anyone/anything. intelligent`?

To bad they made it one of the most banned drugs ever. Espesially since i hear its side effect free(since its in our bodies naturally).

[astraladdict]

Drugs are not recommended to induce OBE, you need to be IN CONTROL of your mind and body. Besides, drugs are a no no 

~astraladdict

[Summerlander]

You don't need drugs to have OOBEs. Besides, you will have more control inducing them naturally. Remember, the brain produces enough DMT for these experiences. The most likely place would be the pineal as its enzymes have potential to produce psychedelic compounds. Foods rich in tryptophan aid in the making of tryptamines. Our biological reservoir for hallucinogenic compounds is enough...also, trips from exogenous DMT are short-lived.

[Xanth]

Using drugs gets you ending up looking like Summerlanders' avatar. 

[Summerlander]

LOL

[astraladdict]

Using drugs gets you ending up looking like Summerlanders' avatar. 

Hey that's his face!! lol

~astraladdict

[Summerlander]

It is. It really is.

[Jon_88]

Thanx will try trypthofan suplements then. Its not banned yet.

[Summerlander]

Just eat stuff like cheese...it's quite rich in it. Milk is also good. Or, if you are lactose-intolerant...yoghurt.

Sometimes I mix cheese with banana. Bananas are quite rich in serotonin, a tryptamine.

Then you have galantamine. This one is OOBE-friendly. But try not to rely so much on supplements. You want to be able to induce when you run out. Then you'll need placebos if you don't feel confident that you can induce without taking anything.

[Loki999]

Drugs will not induce OBEs sometimes they do but only randomly plus the experiences would not be the same if your out of body and tripping. 

[astraladdict]

Tripping is a whole experience itself n_n
I don't need drugs to get high, i have meditation
~astraladdict

[dotster]

I am beginning to think this drug may be my best chance for an OBE. I just get kundalini experiences when i try to OBE the normal way. So have anyone tried it ? How was it. Did you meet anyone/anything. intelligent`?

To bad they made it one of the most banned drugs ever. Espesially since i hear its side effect free(since its in our bodies naturally).

DMT is just a tool just like phasing/astral projection are in my opinion. People have preconditioned conceptions about drugs because the world they live in says they are a no no. While I believe that some drugs do hinder one's ability to open up the world and learn, DMT in my opinion is one of the most beneficial "drugs" to exist. It is illegal in the U.S. and most other countries but I happen to be from Brazil where ayahuasca has been used for hundreds of years and people don't really look at it with such close-minded skepticism as they do in most other places.  I have smoked DMT a few times, and also drank ayahuasca multiple times and it is one of the most mind-opening experiences that I believe to exist here. Like all other tools though, there comes a point when it is no longer needed. I wish more people were open to the wonders of DMT, but like most people on here will tell you (and I wholeheartedly agree) substances that are used to expand awareness while beneficial very easily become a crutch. These substances should be used to give you a feel of expanded "states" for you to become familiar with, but you must learn to walk without the crutch eventually. The same goes for phasing/astral projection etc. Eventually you must learn to get rid of that crutch as well.

[c0sm0nautt]

Sometimes I mix cheese with banana. Bananas are quite rich in serotonin, a tryptamine.

I eat like 8 bananas a day. 

Psychedelics can be useful tools IMO. The first time I did mushrooms it really opened me up to the possibilities of the mind. As far as DMT goes your not going to have an experience anything like a sober OBE/lucid dream. Ketamine is probably the best bet for that, although I'm only speaking from second hand knowledge with that... I don't use any drugs anymore because I've came to realize, for myself, that you have much more control and opportunity when you enter these experiences with a clear and focused mind. Always properly research anything you put in your body.

[dotster]

I eat like 8 bananas a day. 

As far as DMT goes your not going to have an experience anything like a sober OBE/lucid dream.

debatable my friend.

[astralnaut1]

Here have a read about DMT

http://astralviewers.com/random-chat/i've-just-now-decided/msg57259/?topicseen#new

[personalreality]

It's no where near the same experience.

Very different indeed.

[Summerlander]

DMT is just a tool just like phasing/astral projection are in my opinion. People have preconditioned conceptions about drugs because the world they live in says they are a no no. While I believe that some drugs do hinder one's ability to open up the world and learn, DMT in my opinion is one of the most beneficial "drugs" to exist. It is illegal in the U.S. and most other countries but I happen to be from Brazil where ayahuasca has been used for hundreds of years and people don't really look at it with such close-minded skepticism as they do in most other places.  I have smoked DMT a few times, and also drank ayahuasca multiple times and it is one of the most mind-opening experiences that I believe to exist here. Like all other tools though, there comes a point when it is no longer needed. I wish more people were open to the wonders of DMT, but like most people on here will tell you (and I wholeheartedly agree) substances that are used to expand awareness while beneficial very easily become a crutch. These substances should be used to give you a feel of expanded "states" for you to become familiar with, but you must learn to walk without the crutch eventually. The same goes for phasing/astral projection etc. Eventually you must learn to get rid of that crutch as well.

I agree with everything you said here.  There is nothing dangerous about DMT.  Alcohol can be more dangerous.  The brain hungers for DMT...FACT!  The brain produces its own DMT...FACT!

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/dmt_the_spirit_molecule-t33244.0.html

@ c0sm0nautt:

Ketamine is nasty.  Stay away from it.

[Stillwater]

Most psychodelics tend to be among the "safer" drugs, since you can't generally overdose or be poisoned (you need to ingest literally impossible quanties of LSD to overdose from it- no one has managed 1/100th the amount).

That said, you still run risks. You need responsible "spotters" around you, since you will not maintain control, and will potentially become a danger to yourself or others in possible delusional states.

Beyond that, the long-term consequences of hallucinogens are not known at all, really, and are incredibly diffcult to isolate and study. There are many cases of pscychotic episodes after "bad trips" or particularly high dosages- DMT trippers included.

If you really insist on proceding however, DMT is one of the the more accepted shamanistic rites, with a traditional support system. Ayahuasca rituals still occur in Brazil and some exported groups in the U.S., if that is within your reach.

DMT is powerful tool, but perhaps you are also underestimating what can be achieved merely with long-session meditations. I would say that is the safest and most fool-proof method for naturally exploring your consciousness.

[Summerlander]

That said, you still run risks. You need responsible "spotters" around you, since you will not maintain control, and will potentially become a danger to yourself or others in possible delusional states.

The same thing can be said about cigarettes and alcohol.  The best thing to do is to take these substances moderately or not at all.  I'm pretty sure that if I overindulge in other things like bacon sandwiches, there will be repercussions.

[c0sm0nautt]

The same thing can be said about cigarettes and alcohol.  The best thing to do is to take these substances moderately or not at all.  I'm pretty sure that if I overindulge in other things like bacon sandwiches, there will be repercussions.

No one is debating that. But saying that DMT has no risks is simply not true. And this is coming from a psychedelic advocate.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/viewpoll.php?Poll=9011

[Stillwater]

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That said, you still run risks. You need responsible "spotters" around you, since you will not maintain control, and will potentially become a danger to yourself or others in possible delusional states.

The same thing can be said about cigarettes and alcohol.  The best thing to do is to take these substances moderately or not at all.  I'm pretty sure that if I overindulge in other things like bacon sandwiches, there will be repercussions.

But then, I am not advocating cigarrettes or alcohol. Alcohol is a terribly dangerous substance regardless of what box our society places it in. I never said either of those were without risks, or that a person would be wise to use either, so they are beyond the the scope of the idea here.

I agree that moderation is key, but with hallucinogens, which are such a taboo in our culture that no one has any experience with them to guage, and with other complicating factors, such as the fact that most of them are derived from plants and fungi (allowing the concentration of psychoactive agents to vary wildly from specimen to specimen), there is often no way for an initiate to know exactly what dosage is "moderate", or what effects they should expect at what point per dosage level. It is damn obvious how to you when you have eaten 5 too many bacon sandwhiches, but how many mushrooms are too many? How much do you weigh? How big are they? How "ripe" are they? What strain are they? Are they psilocybin-based, or something else? You see, there is really no way to account for all the factors at once- there is only so much control you can have. It is good to advocate moderation, but there needs to be an index to go by. With hallucinogens, you are generally in the dark about that, and don't really know what level you have ingested except in retrospect. That is why it is essential for those who engage in these activities to absolutely respect the substances they are dealing with, and to practice within a seasoned and responsible support group.


I think there are contexts in which a person can practice the meaningful spiritual use of psychoactives, and be surrounded by people who know the territory, but you cannot separate the act from the inherent risks. I am not saying don't do it, but I am saying know what you are getting into, and consider your reasons.

[c0sm0nautt]

As far as mushrooms go, you can be smart about it and follow proper identification procedures, or better yet grow them yourself. For psilocybe cubensis, there really is no toxic level. You'd have to eat your body weight in mushrooms.

[pondini]

before you read on, please note that i have not tried DMT. my understanding of the drug has come from reading Rick Strassman's book DMT: The Spirit Molecule and research at dmt-nexus (i highly suggest looking into both).

i have heard studies quoted that say DMT has a much better success rate at curing heroin/cocaine/alcohol addiction than conventional treatments -up to an 80% success rate, IIRC. from my research i believe this is due to the powerful insights gained from the experience. while participants experience an OBE-like state, it is more akin to a near-death experience (at high doses). even those proficient in LSD and Psilocybin use find the effects of DMT much more profound than those drugs, and many who use those drugs recreationally will stop taking DMT after one trip. IMO, this is because DMT shows the experiencer the way things really are when you are stripped of your ego. your ego is an incredibly clever mechanism that rationalizes, justifies or flat out hides all your actions that run contrary to your moral beliefs. so, without your ego to protect you from the truth, you are forced to see yourself, the world and your place in it without bias. for many of us that realization is brutally honest and painful, hence the heroin addict drops their addiction -i have a friend who traveled to south america to sort out their own problems through ayahuasca treatments in the 80's, before i knew what DMT was.

in light of my view on DMT i definitely would not suggest it as a means to achieve an OOBE. i think it might be incredibly valuable as a source of self-exploration, provided the participant approaches it humbly with respect and the correct motives.

you also mentioned that you have had kundalini risings while trying to project; this very much interests me because it's the first time i've heard of anyone else experiencing that. when it first happened to me i didn't know what it was; it also happened a few times during meditation, although less powerfully. i would like to compare notes if you've documented your experiences.

[Summerlander]

No one is debating that. But saying that DMT has no risks is simply not true. And this is coming from a psychedelic advocate.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/viewpoll.php?Poll=9011

Sure, but I don't think it's the drug that can harm you...it is yourself.  It all depends on whether you are mentally stable or not besides the amount you consume.  A particular dose might have different effects on different individuals.  Just like alcohol.  I'm merely pointing out that if you are gonna tell people not to take DMT, then you might as well tell them not to drink alcohol...do you see where I'm coming from?  so what's so dangerous about DMT?  What's the fuss?  I'll tell you what is...it is the fact that the media has portrayed psychedelics as horror drugs before when it was actually the people who were not taking them responsibly.  The government then outlaws them with the intention of reassuring the public and reducing paranoia.

IMO, this is because DMT shows the experiencer the way things really are when you are stripped of your ego. your ego is an incredibly clever mechanism that rationalizes, justifies or flat out hides all your actions that run contrary to your moral beliefs. so, without your ego to protect you from the truth, you are forced to see yourself, the world and your place in it without bias. for many of us that realization is brutally honest and painful, hence the heroin addict drops their addiction -i have a friend who traveled to south america to sort out their own problems through ayahuasca treatments in the 80's, before i knew what DMT was.

BINGO!  I couldn't agree more with this.  I felt this when I took salvia.  I was lost and it really had an impact on me.  It made me think what is the point in anything.  For some this is too hard to handle.  It goes back to what I was saying.  It agrees more with some then others because we are different.  It's like me enjoying red wine but my wife can't stand it or handle it.  She prefers Lambrini.

[Stillwater]

As far as mushrooms go, you can be smart about it and follow proper identification procedures, or better yet grow them yourself.

That is hard too, however. There are so many variants and look-alikes among mushroom species, and they can all look so very similar, morphologically identical in fact, that even highly trained mycologists cannot identify a mushroom on sight with any sureness (they have a few guesses usually, but nothing definitive)- they often need to rely on chemical analysis.

So if you are thinking of looking for them in the woods, you are playing with fire, based on the number of highly toxic look-alikes. Cultivating a positively identified species is probably the only way to be sure.