Have anyone tried OBE with DMT?

[astraladdict]

man, i just registed www.ether2rules.com too!!

screw you ether, i'm keeping the website.

>.< I actually clicked the link

~astraladdict

[Stillwater]

So did I.

dot dot dot

sigh

[astraladdict]

xD

~astraladdict

[personalreality]

good job lol

[astralp]

Smoking DMT is nothing like a regular OBE.  DMT puts you in another dimension completely.  Monks spend their whole lives learning how to meditate themselves into the state DMT will put you in in 30 seconds.  I've had about two astral projections that I can remember that have very closely resembled a DMT trip.  It is another area of consciousness altogether. 

Yeah people will say don't do drugs, but I think its because there is a war against our mind. The powers that be don't want you questioning what they tell you to think and hallucinogens will literally make you question what is actually important in your reality. 

Ancient religions and peoples of the past had such a greater view on consciousness and i think its because the rituals with hallucinogens they had made them realize that we are all one. 

The problem is today that people aren't taught anything about these types of "drugs" and end up abusing them. 

Research people like Terrance McKenna, Graham Hancock, Rick Strassman, and Daniel Pinchbeck.  In my opinion they are modern day shamans that closed minded people can learn a lot from. 

[schockstuhh]

I was watching a TV show and supposedly there's a lost ancient drug that the Hindu religion used.. Not sure if it was DMT based though.

[pondini]

Yeah people will say don't do drugs, but I think its because there is a war against our mind. The powers that be don't want you questioning what they tell you to think and hallucinogens will literally make you question what is actually important in your reality. 

couldn't agree more. there was never any DMT scourge that caused its criminalization; i haven't even heard of any isolated events that would have vindicated its criminalization. all indications are that the LSD movement that helped bring the vietnam war to an end scared the 'powers that be' so much that they criminalized all hallucinogens, including DMT. to this day it is more illegal than heroin and cocaine. for reasons unknown to me salvia escaped the edict -as far as i know it is still legal in my state.

but more to the point, these drugs -in the right hands- provide valuable insights to what is really important in life. things like power, greed, consumerism and controlling others no longer hold importance. an enlightened society is what the guys that control the game -the rich and powerful- fear the most. it threatens their comfort, therefor they are not going to let it happen.

[Summerlander]

How can you tell the difference between a "hallucination" and reality? Why would DMT be a hallucination and AP not?  DMT, like Salvia, was used by past cultures as well.

Good point.  In fact, our perception of reality (the waking state) could be a very elaborate DMT-induced hallucination which is representational of the external world nonetheless.

[astraladdict]

Nothing you see is how it is. Your eyes don't see what they really see. You see what your brain interprets.

~astraladdict

[Lexy]

I think people say don't do drugs because its like russian roulette. You never know if the person can handle it and not turn to mush brains or get completely addicted....

[GodsProxy]

I would hazard a guess that the below would be a correct assumption, and possibly even the truth.

Good point.  In fact, our perception of reality (the waking state) could be a very elaborate DMT-induced hallucination which is representational of the external world nonetheless.

[astralp]

couldn't agree more. there was never any DMT scourge that caused its criminalization; i haven't even heard of any isolated events that would have vindicated its criminalization. all indications are that the LSD movement that helped bring the vietnam war to an end scared the 'powers that be' so much that they criminalized all hallucinogens, including DMT. to this day it is more illegal than heroin and cocaine. for reasons unknown to me salvia escaped the edict -as far as i know it is still legal in my state.

but more to the point, these drugs -in the right hands- provide valuable insights to what is really important in life. things like power, greed, consumerism and controlling others no longer hold importance. an enlightened society is what the guys that control the game -the rich and powerful- fear the most. it threatens their comfort, therefor they are not going to let it happen.

Yep exactly.  I cant find it for the life of me but I read somewhere on the internet about all the inventions that came from lsd.  Sooooo many that have changed the way we live.  The personal computer was an invention from lsd.  I feel like the reason hallucinogens prompt so many inventions is because your mind literally thinks 1000 thoughts in the time it would normally take a sober mind to think 2 thoughts. 

we are living in a huge time of change, there is no doubt about that.  I think the more closed minded people will get left behind while the new consciousness of humans is learning more and more because of the open mindedness we have. 

10 years ago people would have thought we were crazy for talking about astral projection, now it is a lot more excepted. 

Even five years ago i remember trying to tell some friends about astral projection and they wouldnt even listen.  Now when i talk about it people not only listen but want to do it themselves.  I  think 5 years from now its going to be common knowledge.  Along with the benefits hallucinogens can teach a person about their own consciousness. 

You think you have freedom now? You aren't even aloud to smoke a harmless doobie in your own home.  Its all about to change.  I can only hope.

[pondini]

the double-helix was perceived on lsd...

Nobel Prize genius Crick was high on LSD
when he discovered the secret of life
http://www.miqel.com/entheogens/francis_crick_dna_lsd.html

[Stookie_]

My acid friends just became regular druggies, no inventions

[Stillwater]

Haha, reality samich.

[GodsProxy]

Hee hee.

[schockstuhh]

My acid friends just became regular druggies, no inventions

probably because theyre in it for the high and not with the intent to invent.

[Lionheart]

 A 2 hour video taliking about his book the Source Field Investigations can be seen here at http://www.youtube.com/v/nR-klTa1y54&fs=1&autoplay=1, I know David Wilcock has critics here but this video isn't about him and his ego, it's about OBE's, DMT and Consciousness. Very interesting video indeed.

[Xanth]

A 2 hour video taliking about his book the Source Field Investigations can be seen here at http://www.youtube.com/v/nR-klTa1y54&fs=1&autoplay=1, I know David Wilcock has critics here but this video isn't about him and his ego, it's about OBE's, DMT and Consciousness. Very interesting video indeed.

To his credit, in every story there is probably, at least, a grain of truth. 

Thanks, I might kill some time tomorrow to watch this.

[astralp]

Haha, reality samich.

Yeah thats probably because they were never taught that hallucinogens are supposed to be used as medicine.  A way to examine yourself spiritually and mentally.  Kids these days have no idea of the proper way to do "drugs".  They always use them recreationally.  

Research people that use them to explore their own consciousness as medicine,  like shamans or scientists.  

edit: wrong quote, i was talking to the person who said their acid friends became druggies. 

[personalreality]

kids don't really have a chance from the get-go.

we have a "maintenance-type" psychiatric field these days, because psychiatrists are medical doctors before psychologists and they were taught to treat the mind like an MD treats the body - with a pill (or a stitch, a cast, an operation, etc.); this informs our whole society on how to handle mental states, whatever they may be.

you want to experience something different than normal consciousness?  don't explore your mind!  take a pill!

hooray drugs!

plus, doing drugs makes the cool kids like you.

[Stillwater]

Yeah thats probably because they were never taught that hallucinogens are supposed to be used as medicine.  A way to examine yourself spiritually and mentally.  Kids these days have no idea of the proper way to do "drugs".  They always use them recreationally. 

Research people that use them to explore their own consciousness as medicine,  like shamans or scientists. 

Yeah, astralp, I was definitely not saying kids who use this substance or that will turn out to be losers, but rather just pointing out that it is not the fast track cheat-sheet path to being a balanced individual. With certain hallucinogens especially, I think there are opportunties for responsible users to glean insights; but then it is not like Timothy Leary would have you believe... you can't hand out LSD in the streets and hope to bring about a society full of cultured bodhisattvas.

[dotster]

I guess what it all really boils down to is perspective. We could all be put through the exact same experience with the same exact conditions yet no two of us would walk away from that experience having experienced the exact same thing, so why would hallucinogens be any different than this? My point here is, if you can open your mind to the possibilities that these substances offer and start to actually tune in to what is going on during the experience you will find yourself learning more and more about not only yourself but the nature of reality. Tripping is definitely not what I would call a "subtle" experience because it is not normal for us to experience this type of reality on a day to day basis but once you get past all of the feelings of grandeur/excitement/fear and the countless other overwhelming emotions you will experience, once you learn to tame those emotions and just observe and relax in the moment all of these "subtle" clues/ideas/thoughts start to manifest in all kinds of different ways. That voice inside your head (the one that most of you are reading this with inside your head right now) starts to become more focused, like it has propose, and that voice (which of course is just you) will start to come up with all kinds of crazy ideas about anything and everything that you could think up and all you have to do is observe (paying close attention to all sensory input) to learn. At this point I believe tripping turns into a useful learning tool as opposed to just a "hey this reality is not as solid as it seems, this is awesome let's get weird and party!" kind of drug, however this stage is also just a necessary step to start the learning experience because if you cannot come to terms with the fact that there are still a great number of things that we do not know about our reality then how could you expect to get any answers? I'm not saying that hallucinogens are required, I'm just saying that they are  merely another path that leads to the same place. As for it being thought of as a "fast track cheat sheet path", like I said it's all a matter of perspective. I do not consider it to be cheating, rather simply taking the stairs instead of the escalator. In fact if you we're to get on an elevator and I was determined enough I could still run up the stairs and beat you if I put enough energy behind the intent. Slow and steady only wins the race if it is a long distance race. To a sprinter running the same distance as the long distance runner but cut up into a few shorter separate races, slow and steady will get you there, but they are not slow and steady runners, they are sprinters, and sprinting is how they intend to win the race. Some people learn better taking things in in large increments in short periods of time, others learn better at a slow and steady pace. Take a look at schools and colleges now, they have accelerated learning courses where they shove a lot of information into a short period of time, and then they have standard classes where it's a more steady paced course. No matter how alike we all are, we are all uniquely different and we all learn in our own unique ways. In a reality where it has been observed countless times by countless individuals that time itself is relative, I have a hard time accepting that because some people learn "faster" with these substances that it is considred cheating because what is time really, apart from just a movement in a perceived direction? And in the end does it really matter which path we take? Isn't a more important question what we do with the knowledge that we have gained through our experiences? For me personally I like to keep an open mind even about what path I take; sometimes it's the stairs, other times it's the escalator, other times it's the elevator and other times it's a rocket ship. For me personally I find my own personal balance in that I balance out my different paths and keep (and utilize) all options open for learning instead of dismissing some of them due to lack of acceptance/understanding. As long as something has been learned and is understood why would the amount of "time" it took to comprehend the information even be relevant? Time will only hinder you if you let it. 

All the best,
dotster

[astralp]

Very well put Dotster.  I recently started reading a book by terrence McKenna called Archaic Revival.  He makes the point that different ancient cultures around the world have used psychedelic plants for thousands of years, and in recent times the knowledge of the wider reality these plants offer us has been completely silenced due to things like the Spanish Inquisition and and Salem Witch Trials and basically Christianity believing that these types of practices had to be works of the devil because they were never mentioned in the bible.  He also mentions that we are finally now restarting our exploration of consciousness through the use of psychedelics and lucid dreaming(I don't think he even knew about astral projection)  and that we are on the cusp of creating a new culture that is completely aware of this wider reality. 

He mentions that this exploration is the "New World" and is basically untouched by any western beliefs.  But we are changing that!