Having trouble astral projecting while Ill

[Losh Wi Thang]

Heya

Unfortunately, i am quite seriously mentally ill; and as a result of the severe stage of which it has reached am trying to astral project with my friend from another country as a desperate attempt to even have a chance at curing my illness. I am under several different doctors, but have continually gotten worse as a result of not being properly assessed or understood by them.

During this time, I have been to several mediums of which put me into contact with my grandparents, who are trying to help me from the spirit world; but as they are not around me all the time there is not alot they can do.

My aunt told me about Astral projection, and that she managed to achieve it with my other aunt about 20 years ago. At first I was not sure about what she was saying, but her story was verified by my other aunt who met her on the astral plane who clarified that it was not a subjective dream, but an occasion which both of them shared; they had a conversation on a bridge while astral projecting, and to make sure that it wasn't a dream, compared their accounts with one another the day after to find that they were identicle.

Therefore, I am attempting to astral project to see what i will find which can help me in the Astral plane, such as an angel or spirit guide in order to atleast stand a chance against my illness (which i do not appear to currently have). I can really only hope for something beneficial, no matter what size, as I do not have much hope left.

While attemtping astral projection, i have managed to experience tingling in my fingers, but only for a brief time, and have serious difficulties concentrating on very simple things (causing more anxiety than I allready have).

Well, I believe that it is very essential that I manage to do this for my own survival, I have read several articles or guides in which help with astral projection, but they never have a part which accounts for the complications of my illness or how to get around this problem; therefore I am slightly stuck at this point.

So mainly, this illness hinders my ability to relax, concentrate and having wants (as a result of being in a state of total acedia and a nihilistic attitude) even while listening to binaural beats. The rest of my illness is quite difficult to explain, but is there any way to temporarily suppress my anxiety but also promote my motivation and concentration? I have been on medication for my anxiety for a long time, not that it has helped at all.

I am aware that astral projection is a real thing and I believe for many reasons that it could help me with my problem where other things just can't, is there anything else I should or could do in order to help this process?

What I am currently doing is;

- Pointing my head to magnetic north

- Lostening my clothing

- Listening to binaural beats

- Trying to relax and think about nothing

- Attempting to concentrate

- Trying to believe it is going to happen

- Laying down

- Trying to want it

Is there ANYTHING else which I could or should do to maximize the effectiveness of this process? Really i need to try everything and anything.

Thanks for the help in advanced.

P.S: Earlier today, I was able to bring myself to the stage where most of my body buzzes, I think i must have come close, but my illness interferred and i am not able to get to that stage again.

[Xanth]

You should probably figure out your mental issues FIRST.
Projecting will only amplify your problems.

Never do any metaphysical work when you're unbalanced.

[nickspry]

I  recommend you read this topic. The site mentioned has a free ebook which will provide you with some good methods for projecting quickly.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/obe_techniques_on_youtube-t30865.0.html

[Losh Wi Thang]

You should probably figure out your mental issues FIRST.
Projecting will only amplify your problems.

Never do any metaphysical work when you're unbalanced.

Well, that is not possible unfortunately. I am hoping that a spirit who understands my problems will be able to give me the right help. I am doing this because I really do not have a choice, i am constantly getting worse and have been for 1.5 years now, it would be worse to do nothing at this point.

I  recommend you read this topic. The site mentioned has a free ebook which will provide you with some good methods for projecting quickly.

Which post is the ebook in? The topic starter only has two youtube videos, or is that what you are reffering to? The narrative is very hard to follow.

[The_One]

 I thought it was important that I typed this. I've suffered with metal illness for many years now (Depression). The easiest way that I can project is when I wake up in the morning to go to the toilet. When you go back to bed consentrate on rocking. Mentally pretend your doing it physically, but not really physically. As your going to sleep, you will feel like your really rocking, and eventually you will roll out onto the floor.
It's also important that you know I do come across a few baddies who want to hurt me, but I know that this is something that I've created. I thought it was important I added this. Also, I've had many good experiences AP, which I've woke up many times very happy.

[Losh Wi Thang]

The next time I go to sleep and wake up, i will try that.

When in the astral plane, do people who want to help you from the spirit world approach you? I feel like i can only be helped by someone who understands my problem.

[CFTraveler]

Heya

Hi Losh.

Unfortunately, i am quite seriously mentally ill; and as a result of the severe stage of which it has reached am trying to astral project with my friend from another country as a desperate attempt to even have a chance at curing my illness. I am under several different doctors, but have continually gotten worse as a result of not being properly assessed or understood by them.

Before I go into more detail about what Xanth said, I will ask- is the problem related to persistent hallucinations?  If so, this may not be for you.  If it is affective (that is, about emotions or lack of them) then you may be ok- maybe.  However, if the problem is about making judgements about reality, then this may not be for you, for very serious reasons.  Eventually I'll get around to this.

My aunt told me about Astral projection, and that she managed to achieve it with my other aunt about 20 years ago. At first I was not sure about what she was saying, but her story was verified by my other aunt who met her on the astral plane who clarified that it was not a subjective dream, but an occasion which both of them shared; they had a conversation on a bridge while astral projecting, and to make sure that it wasn't a dream, compared their accounts with one another the day after to find that they were identicle.

This does sound genuine- bridges (porches, other transitional locales) are common images in projection.

Therefore, I am attempting to astral project to see what i will find which can help me in the Astral plane, such as an angel or spirit guide in order to atleast stand a chance against my illness (which i do not appear to currently have). I can really only hope for something beneficial, no matter what size, as I do not have much hope left.

While attemtping astral projection, i have managed to experience tingling in my fingers, but only for a brief time, and have serious difficulties concentrating on very simple things (causing more anxiety than I allready have).

If the problem is anxiety, the breathing exercises in meditation (something you need to engage in) may be helpful, even if for the relaxation benefits.

Well, I believe that it is very essential that I manage to do this for my own survival, I have read several articles or guides in which help with astral projection, but they never have a part which accounts for the complications of my illness or how to get around this problem; therefore I am slightly stuck at this point.

So mainly, this illness hinders my ability to relax, concentrate and having wants (as a result of being in a state of total acedia and a nihilistic attitude) even while listening to binaural beats. The rest of my illness is quite difficult to explain, but is there any way to temporarily suppress my anxiety but also promote my motivation and concentration? I have been on medication for my anxiety for a long time, not that it has helped at all.

Wants are not necessary for trance, in fact detachment from want is actually a good thing.  You already know you want to do this, anything else is unneccesary.

I am aware that astral projection is a real thing and I believe for many reasons that it could help me with my problem where other things just can't, is there anything else I should or could do in order to help this process?

We'll see.

When you go into a trance, what you are doing is changing your brainwaves in which you can then see what you usually miss when you are sleeping.  The in-between state is the optimal state for getting out of the body (or projecting your consciousness out of it), but it is also the state where you can see hallucinations projected by your brain, when it gets the signal that your body is asleep.  That's why mental illness is so difficult- if you have the type of illness in which you have trouble telling the difference between things that are there and things that are not there (or voices in your head vs. voices from people that are there) then this is not for you, because you will experience these types of effects, and this can really freak anyone out, but someone with an emotional imbalance will suffer more- it can push you over the edge.
If however, you can cultivate an attitude of 'disinterested observer', then it may be helpful, even beneficial, to practice the meditation needed to take you to a deep trance state.

What I am currently doing is;

- Pointing my head to magnetic north

This is not necessary.  Even though the etheric body may or may not be emf, emf is everywhere nowadays, and chances are that in your location the emf field are all over the place, so the idea of polarity may sound 'scientific' it probably has no effect.  However, if it makes you feel good to have this orientation, by all means, do it.

- Lostening my clothing

Comfort is key.  Loosening clothing is fine, but if it makes you cold, make sure you are comfortable the way you are dressed.

- Listening to binaural beats

Binaural beats are beneficial to get you to trance easily, and to help you know how trance feels (and to cover up ambient noise, that may be distracting) but I don't know many people who project while listening to them.  I usually have 'after' effects from listening to them, I usually would project 6 to 8 hours after listening to them, not during.  I think bb's are great for relaxing, though.

- Trying to relax and think about nothing

This is a double-edged sword.  Most people have anxiety around 'trying not to think', which defeats the purpose.  Instead, try to busy your mind with nonverbal activities- breathing exercises, counting backwards, visualize the feeling of going up in a balloon, floating, going up stairs, etc.  These are designed to keep your mind busy but at the same time not think of 'what's happening today in your daily life', or just verbal thoughts.  So instead of striving for blankness, visualize blankness, create it.

- Attempting to concentrate

Same as above.

- Trying to believe it is going to happen

Don't believe anything- know it's going to happen.  If you can't, use affirmations before you try, not during.

P.S: Earlier today, I was able to bring myself to the stage where most of my body buzzes, I think i must have come close, but my illness interferred and i am not able to get to that stage again.

Instead of expecting vibrations, expect something else- expect to see color blobs in front of your eyes, expect to hear noises or voices- these expectations do not put you in the body, they keep your attention on your mind.

Finally, if you still don't feel relaxed enough when the exit sensations come, try doing some energy body loosening before an exit technique.
Good luck.

[nickspry]

Which post is the ebook in? The topic starter only has two youtube videos, or is that what you are reffering to? The narrative is very hard to follow.

Just Google OBE4U and you'll find the site.  Ebook link is on the left of the main page.

[Losh Wi Thang]

Hi Losh.
Before I go into more detail about what Xanth said, I will ask- is the problem related to persistent hallucinations?  If so, this may not be for you.  If it is affective (that is, about emotions or lack of them) then you may be ok- maybe.

Thankfully I am not psychotic, nor do I suffer from such things; but i would say reality is distorted, but in a very 'different' way one would describe such symptoms of 'unreality' or that related to any psychotic illness.

My illness is mainly amnesia and concentration related; i am/have been slowly (or lately, very quickly) losing my identity and such.

This does sound genuine- bridges (porches, other transitional locales) are common images in projection.
 If the problem is anxiety, the breathing exercises in meditation (something you need to engage in) may be helpful, even if for the relaxation benefits.
Wants are not necessary for trance, in fact detachment from want is actually a good thing.  You already know you want to do this, anything else is unneccesary.
We'll see.

Well, the thing is, I have extreme acedia; i do not care that i do not care about myself, even though i might want to care about the things which are important to me. Because i don't care, it might affect what it means to have 'desire' for something.

This is not necessary.  Even though the etheric body may or may not be emf, emf is everywhere nowadays, and chances are that in your location the emf field are all over the place, so the idea of polarity may sound 'scientific' it probably has no effect.  However, if it makes you feel good to have this orientation, by all means, do it.
Comfort is key.  Loosening clothing is fine, but if it makes you cold, make sure you are comfortable the way you are dressed.
Binaural beats are beneficial to get you to trance easily, and to help you know how trance feels (and to cover up ambient noise, that may be distracting) but I don't know many people who project while listening to them.  I usually have 'after' effects from listening to them, I usually would project 6 to 8 hours after listening to them, not during.  I think bb's are great for relaxing, though.
This is a double-edged sword.  Most people have anxiety around 'trying not to think', which defeats the purpose.  Instead, try to busy your mind with nonverbal activities- breathing exercises, counting backwards, visualize the feeling of going up in a balloon, floating, going up stairs, etc.  These are designed to keep your mind busy but at the same time not think of 'what's happening today in your daily life', or just verbal thoughts.  So instead of striving for blankness, visualize blankness, create it.
Same as above.
Don't believe anything- know it's going to happen.  If you can't, use affirmations before you try, not during.

Instead of expecting vibrations, expect something else- expect to see color blobs in front of your eyes, expect to hear noises or voices- these expectations do not put you in the body, they keep your attention on your mind.

Finally, if you still don't feel relaxed enough when the exit sensations come, try doing some energy body loosening before an exit technique.
Good luck.

I will try to do those things, thanks.

Just Google OBE4U and you'll find the site.  Ebook link is on the left of the main page.

Found it, thanks.

[Losh Wi Thang]

I still seem to be having alot of trouble. I am trying the indirect technique, but usually when I wake up I cannot remember anything, therefore I do not remember to try the technique or what the technique was.

Also, is it normal to feel disorientated when moving the imaginary hand?

When I manage to finally astral project, how will I feel? Will I feel myself as opposed to now in my current circumstances?

Also, is there another way to achieve this state where intruding thoughts or desires cannot interfere with the process?

[The_One]

 Lol disorientated. I 99% of the time use rollout. Some times I don't rollout onto the floor, but instead just keep rolling in body.

[Losh Wi Thang]

Lol disorientated. I 99% of the time use rollout. Some times I don't rollout onto the floor, but instead just keep rolling in body.

I meant, I can't tell whether my illness is the cause of that or it is normal.

[The_One]

 I think your thinking to much into it. If you try rollout like I said, just write something down on paper next to your bed. So when you go back to bed, you can try the technique I mentioned.

[nickspry]

It can take a little while to program the mind when using the indirect techniques.  Try to fall asleep with a strong intention - that part is really crucial. You should get results if you stick with it, but if you don't after several weeks, then maybe this method isn't right for you in which case you should maybe switch to the direct methods.

[Losh Wi Thang]

Well, I have been trying still to get into AP, I have also heard that when you dream, you are in a private part of the Astral, and that it is possible for someone to enter your dream. I have tried asking my friends who are trying to help me to get into AP this way, but they have all been unsuccessfull at accomplishing AP so far; as have I. My illness is very aggressive, and in a way seems to have a mind of its own; it stops me from entering AP consciously because it knows it has potential for helping me or curing me of my illness.

Well, I have not been safe in a long time, therefore I am trying to arrange to go into a temporary, controlled coma induced by an anesthesiologist for a while; could being in this state help me, or the spirits around me (and apparently my angel) have an OOBE or AP? My faith in the idea of entering AP to get help this way is well deserved, as my mother was told by a medium recently; even though I did not tell my mother, the medium knew that I wanted to meet my angel, who is apparently very willing to help me. She also noted, that I would make a great friendship with this person, as he/she is alot like me.

Is an angel and a spirit guide the same thing? Or are there some differences?

[personalreality]

Have you considered other routes of metaphysical healing?

APing takes time, practice and a lot of work.  I agree that you should be balanced before you AP. 

Let me share some personal opinions.  I am a psychology student and a metaphysical practitioner.  I don't believe that any psychological illness can be cured by medication.  Medication masks the problem, it doesn't cure the cause.  I also don't believe that some people are just born with neurotransmitter balance problems that can never be resolved.  You are here with this problem for a reason.  You are learning something from all this. 

I know what it feels like to feel like your behavior is not you.  With that in mind, I recommend Trance Healing Sessions, or Soul Healing.  The idea behind it is that you have some kind of energy attached to you.  It may be an actual entity or more likely emotional energy from another person or entity not of this plane.  This kind of healing removes those "clingers on" so that you can express yourself.  I have had this done for help with my addiction problems and it was like night and day.  One day I was a fiend the next day I wasn't.  It also feels good to know that your problems really aren't you. 

Lifestyle changes can be helpful also.  (IMO) One of the biggest reasons for a psychotic break is because that's what "they" want to happen to all of us.  Our soul is yelling "NO! Don't live like this!  I'm suffocating here!" but our brain and body has been indoctrinated and programmed since birth to live in nearly complete competition to our soul's desire.  That's hard to manage, especially if you're naturally inclined toward metaphysical pursuits.  Take for example schizophrenia.  In "third world" countries (places untouched by our corruption) in indigenous tribes, a schizophrenic is recognized as someone who lives between worlds.  They can see the unseen that only the shaman can see.  Once they are identified, they are taken as a shaman's apprentice and their gifts are encouraged and shaped.  In the western world, schizophrenics are treated as lepers.  They are seen as unfit to participate in society and are subsequently locked up in institutions and medicated with unnatural drugs.  What do you think that does to their symptoms?  They're already trying hard to cope with all the people around them who live in a way that doesn't make sense.  Now you tell them they're crazy, they're dangerous and they need to be locked up?  It just makes the schism in their mind larger until they break permanently.

You might also try Reiki or something similar to clean up and balance your energy.

Don't take benzos (xanax, valium, etc.) if you're trying to project (if it's possible for you to not take them, if that's what you're on).  They make you pass out and mess with your ability to focus.  What helps me sometimes is Valerian Root.  It helps me relax.  I also found this sleep formula or natural herbs, that if I just take half a dose I can gain a single-minded focus for 20minutes at a time easily.  It's called "Fatigued to Fantastic: Revitalizing Sleep Formula".  I don't know what the ingredient is that makes it so easy to focus, so I would try to find that product.  But I'll still give you a list of it's ingredients:

Valerian Root 200mg
Passion Flower 4:1 90mg
L-Theanine 50mg
Hops 6.6:1 30mg
Wild Lettuce Leaf Extract 18mg
Jamaica Dogwood 12mg
Wild Lettuce Leaf 10mg

Naturally, talk to your Dr. before you take these, just to be sure.  But I think they're all safe with medication.

[Losh Wi Thang]

Have you considered other routes of metaphysical healing?

APing takes time, practice and a lot of work.  I agree that you should be balanced before you AP. 

Let me share some personal opinions.  I am a psychology student and a metaphysical practitioner.  I don't believe that any psychological illness can be cured by medication.  Medication masks the problem, it doesn't cure the cause.  I also don't believe that some people are just born with neurotransmitter balance problems that can never be resolved.  You are here with this problem for a reason.  You are learning something from all this. 

This illness which does not deserve to exist in the first place, does not teach me anything; it is the polar opposite, it takes away my intelligence, wisdom, knowledge, memory, etc. I am not learning anything from this other than 'i stood no chance from the second it was formed'.

I know what it feels like to feel like your behavior is not you.  With that in mind, I recommend Trance Healing Sessions, or Soul Healing.  The idea behind it is that you have some kind of energy attached to you.  It may be an actual entity or more likely emotional energy from another person or entity not of this plane.  This kind of healing removes those "clingers on" so that you can express yourself.  I have had this done for help with my addiction problems and it was like night and day.  One day I was a fiend the next day I wasn't.  It also feels good to know that your problems really aren't you.

Through intuition, I have discovered that. The only problem is that nobody else knows it, I will constantly get counterproductive advice from my care co-ordinator and psychiatrists who tell me that 'you are doing this' and 'if you are not in control of yourself, then who is?' (rhetorically speaking) based on the fact that they cannot understand me at all. The situation surprisingly reminds me alot of the film 'anger management', but for a different problem.

Lifestyle changes can be helpful also.  (IMO) One of the biggest reasons for a psychotic break is because that's what "they" want to happen to all of us.  Our soul is yelling "NO! Don't live like this!  I'm suffocating here!" but our brain and body has been indoctrinated and programmed since birth to live in nearly complete competition to our soul's desire.  That's hard to manage, especially if you're naturally inclined toward metaphysical pursuits.  Take for example schizophrenia.  In "third world" countries (places untouched by our corruption) in indigenous tribes, a schizophrenic is recognized as someone who lives between worlds.  They can see the unseen that only the shaman can see.  Once they are identified, they are taken as a shaman's apprentice and their gifts are encouraged and shaped.  In the western world, schizophrenics are treated as lepers.  They are seen as unfit to participate in society and are subsequently locked up in institutions and medicated with unnatural drugs.  What do you think that does to their symptoms?  They're already trying hard to cope with all the people around them who live in a way that doesn't make sense.  Now you tell them they're crazy, they're dangerous and they need to be locked up?  It just makes the schism in their mind larger until they break permanently.

I do not believe that anyone is crazy, that just seems like a flippant word some people use to describe a person which is deviant or that is not understood. Before this illness, my lifestyle was fine, this illness has pushed me away from it as I do not want to change my memory of it while experiencing it with this illness. Well, I am aware of this indoctrination in other people, but for some reason I have never been affected by it, I have allways been who i want to be until this illness.

You might also try Reiki or something similar to clean up and balance your energy.

Don't take benzos (xanax, valium, etc.) if you're trying to project (if it's possible for you to not take them, if that's what you're on).  They make you pass out and mess with your ability to focus.  What helps me sometimes is Valerian Root.  It helps me relax.  I also found this sleep formula or natural herbs, that if I just take half a dose I can gain a single-minded focus for 20minutes at a time easily.  It's called "Fatigued to Fantastic: Revitalizing Sleep Formula".  I don't know what the ingredient is that makes it so easy to focus, so I would try to find that product.  But I'll still give you a list of it's ingredients:

Valerian Root 200mg
Passion Flower 4:1 90mg
L-Theanine 50mg
Hops 6.6:1 30mg
Wild Lettuce Leaf Extract 18mg
Jamaica Dogwood 12mg
Wild Lettuce Leaf 10mg

Naturally, talk to your Dr. before you take these, just to be sure.  But I think they're all safe with medication.

Wow, thanks. I have been looking for something similar which will help my ability to focus for other reasons aswell. Does this have a similar effect to the stimulants issued to ADD patients?

Hmm ... Well, at this moment, I'm not sure that kind of meditation is for me. Meditation as far as i know requires a relaxed state, whereas for me, I cannot relax or I will lose focus on myself.

[personalreality]

No, it's not like Ritalin or Adderal.  These supplements are sedatives.  I suppose one of them may act like ADD drugs, if I had to guess I would think that it is either wild lettuce or L-Theanine.  I have experienced most of the others by themselves and they are just sedatives. 

Let me first say that I am not a licensed Dr. of any kind, still a student.  But I consider more than just what the professional literature says.  But I do have lots of theories and opinions and experiences with human behavior.  I have to say that it sounds like you're accepting that you are stricken and have lost hope that there is anything you can do about it.  Believe me when I say that I know what that feels like.  I'm a recovering addict and nothing ticked me off more than people telling me that I was making my withdrawal or cravings worse because of my mental state.  I mean, they always said, "just don't think about it", but how the hell are you not supposed to think about it when your whole body is constantly reminding you that you aren't well.  However, I did find that by forcing myself to do things that seemed difficult, I felt a lot better. 

I'm starting to sound like a broken record around here, but I just detoxed off of opiate replacement medication lately (think methadone) and while it was easier than kicking heroin, it still sucked, really bad.  The worst part was that my heart rate shot up really high, ultimately leading me to take myself to a hospital.  While the really bad part is over, I still have residual problems with anxiety and high heart rate.  It seems that my system is still really sensitive and even the slightest amount of a stimulant causes my heart to race (can't even drink coffee or soda anymore).  The anxiety is nearly unbearable sometimes.

It's hard, but I have been forcing myself to continue my AP practice, meditation, energy work, etc.  When I say it's hard, I mean that the anxiety and high heart rate refuse to let me relax.  My mind is constantly racing and I can feel my heart through my whole body.  I have the worst urge to constantly move which makes it near impossible to sit still long enough to induce trance or meditate.  But I have been forcing myself to do it all and it's making things better.  I worry that from how you're describing your experience that you may be preventing yourself from relaxing before you've even tried because you feel bad.  I get that.  I did that.  But eventually I couldn't take it anymore and made myself do it.  It really helps.  The more I do my energy work the better I feel.

I really really really think you should find a metaphysical healer and try to get a cleansing.  It may take time and a few treatments, but it helps. 

It's said that the Valerian root can be a natural alternative to anxiety medication as well.

[Losh Wi Thang]

The anxiety as it is, isn't a problem; infact it's necessary, but it's just what's causing it that is.

I have been to spiritual healing, would that be the same thing as a metaphysical healer? I had been to 7 sessions and did not receive any benefit.

[Losh Wi Thang]

Well, I didn't really want to ask this on a public forum, but does anyone here mind helping me get into astral projection externally? So far my friends haven't been successful in achieving AP at all, and I haven't due to I believe my illness. Right now at 5 am it's kind of an emergency; if i am not dead allready.

I believe this will work, so long as I get there. I can't rest without knowing i'm in safe hands, and there appear to be none available to me at this time.

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

 Try finding someone in your area that might be able to help. Like www.meetup.com is a pretty big place to meet a group of people in your area. Just put in your zip code and astral for the topic and BAM, people to meet up with in your area. Let me know if you find some thing.
Also I might add that often times when you feel bad physically or mentally it often has to do with hormones. Most main stream doctors don't know how to fix this problem. Most anti-aging doctors know how to fix this. You might need some bio-identical hormones. Maybe progesterone or testosterone DHEA. I don't know. You have to get tested. I have been dealing with a lot of conditions my self over the years. In that time I have learned a lot of things in alternative and main stream medicine. If you have low energy and weight gain your adrenals could be burn out. Can't help you too well if I don't know what your problem is.
Sleep is very very important for healing. If you don't wake up every mourning feeling refreshed then you need to fix that. Hormones can help that too. Melatonin and 5-HTP are great for that.
I hope you get better. I am concerned, it sounds serious.

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

I feel where you are coming from, since like I said I have dealt with many heath conditions myself.
If you want to talk further in-depth you can email me. Hope to hear from you.

[Losh Wi Thang]

Well I do not really think it has anything to do with hormones, it's down to other things.

I honestly can't see it as realistically possible to - due to the stage this has reached - get help from the usual channels; and I believe that I won't survive without a miracle of cosmological if not dimensional proportions, if I am not dead allready.

Well, about that meetup, I'm not sure that anybody I find on there would either be able to do AP or would be willing or understanding enough to do it. I try not to ask the only person I know who can achieve it, because he comes up with the idea that I am being tested to see how I can deal with the situation, when dispite explaining it to him, am not able to deal with it at all; and can be overbearing and arrogant to what he knows nothing about.

Unfortunately, due to my illness, I can't consciously achieve AP either, so I cannot get there without somebody elses external help.

I have heard that, when you dream; you actually enter a private, subjective part of the astral. However, in the astral plane people may also enter your dream; and astral projection is also achievable through a dream state. If somebody was able to enter my dream, they could be able to help me get into AP by any means, by force if necessary (obviously i mean metaphorically).

Aside from that I don't really know who to ask, none of my friends have yet been able to achieve astral projection in order to help me; I know that if I can't get into it soon that I won't really have a chance to survive existensially.

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

 Like I said I am concerned. You really need help. I know sometimes when your dealing with a big condition it's easy to miss somethings simple that con make a big difference. I know I have been there. Click on my user name and sent me an email and we can talk about this further. Maybe I can help. Like I have said I have done a lot of research on all kinds of things medically and diet related. I have been through a lot my self. If you want a good second opinion email me and lets talk.

[Losh Wi Thang]

I sent you a private message, did you receive it?