My girlfriend saw me out of body.

[KarmicBeats]

Would you rather have your girlfriend see you out of body or would rather see her body out of clothing

[todd421757]

Would you rather have your girlfriend see you out of body or would rather see her body out of clothing

I would prefer the latter

[todd421757]

When I re-entered my body, she asked me if I was out of body. I said yes. She said she knew because she felt a dense energy on top of her legs that remained there for two minutes.

I recently asked my girlfriend how much my dense energy weighed. She said half the weight of a paper towel roll. I weighed a roll of paper towels, and it came out to 50 grams. So half of that would be 25 grams.

So my energy body weighed around 25 grams.

A doctor weighed 6 patients before and after death. He determined the soul (energy body) weighed an average of 21 grams for those 6 patients.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_MacDougall_(doctor)

[David Warner]

Todd,

Congrats on this with you and your girlfriend. I skimmed through most of the discussion and wanted to add my .2
into this. It is difficult to say if your girlfriend was in trance or not. My feelings would lean towards trance, but there is always
that other possibility.

Either way you slice it this is something you two should experiment with further in research. Also, being *very* careful not to
contaminate the data. It is great to see this and it is very exciting!

What I would do is first - both of you set a goal together. Just one goal, nothing fancy and complex.

When both of you project *or* at random times. Immediately, document your experience and do not show the other person til there experience. The same with the other person when they experience obe.

After documenting, compile the data and share the differences. Create a spreadsheet chart and be detailed and though.

Why you keep everything separate and document ASAP? So the data is not altered and risking contamination. Keep everything completely and totally separate. 

Last, don't pressure each other to OBE or expect it. Let the cards fall naturally and let it happen vs. controlling. The best validated experiences I have had were false awakenings, not being aware or looking for proof..  When it happens, proof will flow like a river.

Keep me informed on your progress too and keep up the excellent work!

Dave

[David Warner]

one more thing too..

"Rand 1 million dollar paranormal challenge?"

I would like for one day someone to be able to validate life after death, out of body experiences does exist. This will
definitely change so much in this field of research and study. However, we have this today in our world that the data
is out there to prove otherwise.

Rand is a good person for what he is promoting and to make people think, be skeptical and not be suckered in by $$
organizations. I have always instructed people to do the work themselves, investigate, and do the work. Don't take everything
on faith just because of the daily horoscope says your gonna win the million dollars.

The same with astral projection/obe or near death experiences. You have to experience it first before believing and challenge it
consistently. I do feel that science are getting very close to proving life after death and when they DO have the hard facts, will people still challenge it? - You bet!!

if you read the faq, it is interesting..
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/component/content/article/37-static/254-jref-challenge-faq.html


Dave

[Pauli2]

if you read the faq, it is interesting..

(If a Mod wants to move this to the Randi thread, that's fine for me.)

One part of the FAQ states (my bold):

"1.4 Has anyone ever gotten past the preliminary test?

    No. Some people use this fact as a reason not to apply – and yet the protocol
    is never altered once the applicant agrees to it. In fact, we ask the applicant to design the test."

That last part is kind of disturbing in my mind. If no one, who has
designed their own test, ever passed, something feels odd.

[David Warner]

I would like to sit down with Mr. Rand and ask him if he would be interested in learning about
out of body consciousness and actually experiencing it for himself. If he can offer a million dollar challenge,
the why not offer a million dollar challenge for him to work with the top brass in projecting?

I am going to share a quick Near Death Experience from a social worker that I chat with through hospice of Michigan. BTW: I donate my time with patients who are dying and am a companion. This is how I know this social worker.

Her dad was a hardcore scientist, atheist, never went to church and was material orientated. A very strong opinionated man engraved values set in stone until his Near Death Experience. He died of heart attack and was gone for sometime, returned, recovered from the operation. After his NDE, ALL his past values, doubts, strict against religious views he held turned 180 degree's and became a pastor giving his life to God.  When he returned, he shared the experience of pure love, the tunnel, white light, and touching the spirit of God. EVERYTHING in his past life didn't matter.. it was all about Love Love and Love.. serving God....

Just because he died and got a second changed, he didn't need a million dollars as proof God exists and life continues after physical death. This is just not one story of a NDE, the data is consistent and documented. One of the sites and that is the BIGGEST on the web is:

www.nderf.org by Jeffrey and Jody Long which I also know from past discussions. Jeffrey is a oncologist that began his research with NDE's from his patients experiences. After reviewing case after case, his fascination grew and launched the international web site for NDE. It is 100% statistics, experiences, answered questionnaires and again the main theme of the patients death is "Love and we are all Equal"....

When I asked the social worker if he was afraid to die her reply from her dad explained "It will be winning the golden ticket and returning home!!"....  Now, how cool is that? Sadly, ten years later after his NDE, he did pass away with another heart attack. But he in now home....* Shantinilaya*

Now, getting back to the original Randi challenge and their background as skeptics. I honestly think and feel they are approaching this from the wrong angle. They should be investing the experience's, and scientifically collecting the data vs. waiving a million dollars around for proof. I do think and feel if his organization took this approach they would have positive results collecting data further this exploration vs. squash it.

I do agree that their are A LOT of people out there wanting to make a fast buck and society should always validate and challenge their claims by additionally doing the work themselves and putting fourth this energy vs. dismissing with skepticism. It is good to be the judge and the jury, but before making a quick assertion it is all fake, it has to be experienced first and researched.

Plainly said Rand can't explain NDE, doesnt have proof or can't dismiss it. And the people that have experienced out of body consciousness or the real NDE, don't look need the proof. They are the one's that know Heaven is For Real and it is all about Love!!


Thank You,

David A. Warner







 

[Lionheart]

Just because he died and got a second changed, he didn't need a million dollars as proof God exists and life continues after physical death. This is just not one story of a NDE, the data is consistent and documented. One of the sites and that is the BIGGEST on the web is:

A million dollars is just a material thing. What he received was much more valuable! 

[todd421757]

Thanks Dave for your suggestions. I have been having more validations as I have been keeping stats like you suggested. Its adds a system and goals to follow.

For example, my girlfriend set up a gemstone attached to a necklace on the mirror in her bedroom a certain way without letting me know beforehand. I had an obe in front of the mirror recently. I saw it hanging on the mirror. I willed my energy and somehow was able to swing it the other way which caused it to be partially tucked in behind the mirror.

I didn't tell her that I did it. She noticed the following morning it was moved in a different position.

I inspected it, and there was no way it could of moved that way by accident.

All my validations have always been within the same room as I am sleeping in. I believe short distance obe's are the key to achieving more validations and less reality fluctuations.

[desert-rat]

I made a post with some links to the Randi foundation , there is a link to a site with a list of people that have tried .   http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/the_james_randi_1_mil_challenge-t37868.0.html      http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=43    desert rat 

[catmeow]

I would like to sit down with Mr. Rand and ask him if he would be interested in learning about
out of body consciousness and actually experiencing it for himself. If he can offer a million dollar challenge,
the why not offer a million dollar challenge for him to work with the top brass in projecting?

I'm sorry to rain on your well meaning parade Dave, but Randi is an evangelical disbeliever who will never be turned. He has ALREADY experienced on OOBE which was not sufficient to convince him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwKkbd2e-c

Unless your OOBE is perfect with no reality fluctuations he dismisses it as a dream. Susan Blackmore similarly had an OOBE which she dismissed due to some minor reality fluctuations. In Susan's case, her OOBE was lengthy and profound.

I do not trust Randi's impartiality.

EDIT: Oops, I see this youtube clip was just posted on the James Randi OOOBE thread. Sorry peeps, I was too slow....!

[catmeow]

Thanks Dave for your suggestions. I have been having more validations as I have been keeping stats like you suggested. Its adds a system and goals to follow.

For example, my girlfriend set up a gemstone attached to a necklace on the mirror in her bedroom a certain way without letting me know beforehand. I had an obe in front of the mirror recently. I saw it hanging on the mirror. I willed my energy and somehow was able to swing it the other way which caused it to be partially tucked in behind the mirror.

I didn't tell her that I did it. She noticed the following morning it was moved in a different position.

I inspected it, and there was no way it could of moved that way by accident.

All my validations have always been within the same room as I am sleeping in. I believe short distance obe's are the key to achieving more validations and less reality fluctuations.

Another one for the Validation thread todd?!

You know you really should rig up a video camera to video yourself sleeping. Would be interesting if anything showed up? Also, you could rig up to record the pendant hanging by itself, then project and move it. See if you could capture it on film?

Also, I agree totally that short distances are the key.

[catmeow]

if you read the faq, it is interesting..
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/component/content/article/37-static/254-jref-challenge-faq.html

Thanks for that, an interesting link to Randi's $million challenge rules and faq. I read the whole lot; several thousand words of condescending, patronising, superior, self aggrandising and sarcastic rhetoric. He flaps and waves his colours all the way through, and finally, with the very last sentence, nails them firmly to the mast:

"Of course, when confronted with a particularly incredible claim like "remote viewing" (the current version of "clairvoyance") we can easily stop short and ask ourselves just why we are involved with such obvious nonsense. But this is the job we chose to take on, and it has its rewards in the feedback we get from those who have listened, learned, and benefited from our efforts. That's the payoff."

[desert-rat]

Art Bell the first host of the over night radio show coast to coast was not a real believer in the out of body experence until he went out of body over Paris one night .  Seeing Paris from above while out of body , now that would be wild .  desert rat 

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Randi is a non believer even if he had a trip to a place very familiar. Add total awareness and a future newspaper he could actually read for a couple of days time.
Repeating itself every night for a month, he'd falsify it as bogus. Don't waste your time even trying. I think its more a publicity stunt than anything. He has his followers and they can't be convinced either. He's probably a nice guy behind the scene and nice guys go un-noticed.
Paris, ha. The best fly by is the torch holding lady of NewYork. The statue of liberty keeps you going back.
@ Todd, were you projecting an ectoplasmic line in order to move the pendant or an etheric projection?
Nice topic.

[desert-rat]

Most any major city from above while out of body would be nice .  I was just stating Art Bell's account of his trip to Paris . He said he did not believe in o.b.e.s until he did it .  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Bell  desert rat 

[todd421757]

@ Todd, were you projecting an ectoplasmic line in order to move the pendant or an etheric projection?
Nice topic.

No, I am not able to project ectoplasma as described in Sylvan Muldoon's book. His method projects the ectoplasm out of the solar plexus chakra along the silver cord which makes contact with the object.

I can only project out of two locations: 1) through the top of the head, or 2) through the soles of the feet. I cannot project through the solar plexus.

I would tend to believe there could be people on this forum who could follow Sylvan's moving objects (raps) technique and be successful at it.

But for me, I move objects by using my will intensity, similar to how you can make a chi or psi wheel move. Here is a youtube video showing a chi or psi wheel in motion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NwRfMJgOQ

[David Warner]

Catmeow,

Yah, I know he is a non-believer and everything has to be perfect and the stars in align.. Even if he did project fluently, he would dismiss it no matter giving the circumstances. Susan Blackmoore is another interesting woman and her theories are good but are flawed.

Todd,

Do what I did with three video camera's recording your physical body. I have done this ten times in my life and my last
one which is in the free section of Astral Academy:

October 2nd, 2008        OBE Caught on Video with Validation       6:31 Minutes MP4 Video

http://www.astralpulse.com/free/freevideo.html

Make sure when you do this document, document, and document. Have a handy tape recorded at your disposal upon awakening so you can narrate. Also, keep the information from your girlfriend so the data is not contimanated til you both write everything down and compare..

Dave

[Szaxx]

Hi,
I have surveillance equipment where anything moves it starts recording video. Ill eventually dig it out if I get results moving things.
Its on my list. Sleep is too so we may be waiting a while lol.

[catmeow]

Todd, are you able to move a psi wheel? I balanced a pencil on its flat end and concentrated, but couldn't get it to fall over. I didn't practise though. I know it requires practice to move a psi wheel.

[todd421757]

Todd, are you able to move a psi wheel? I balanced a pencil on its flat end and concentrated, but couldn't get it to fall over. I didn't practise though. I know it requires practice to move a psi wheel.

Yes, now I can get the psi wheel to move every time I try. It is a fun thing to practice on as you can easily see your results. Plus it teaches you to concentrate and develop your will intensity.

It took some time to be able to move the psi wheel. But after I moved it the first time, it became easier to achieve success thereafter. It takes a certain state of mind to achieve success. Once you find this state of mind, then memorize it and use it when you are in an out of body experience.   

I bought my chi wheel online for $10. You can also make your own for free.

[catmeow]

That's fantastic todd. You're very lucky to have these abilities. Apparently the guy who uploaded the psi wheel video (smattman) now says that he hoaxed it. But it's good to hear that you can get the psi wheel moving. I'm much more willing to believe you, than any youtube video. I wish I had the patience and concentration to learn this. I really do.

I sometimes get disillusioned with all the (alleged!) hoaxes out there. We learn of say a UFO encounter which seems iron clad (eg Travis Walton). Then someone comes along who knows all the people involved and has a very credible story that it was a hoax. Then somebody comes along and debunks the debunker and so it goes on.  The result is confusion all round....

[todd421757]

Apparently the guy who uploaded the psi wheel video (smattman) now says that he hoaxed it.

There are too many hoaxes out there. Probably some of the book authors we talk about on this forum are hoaxes too. It is depressing when you really think about it.

Thanks Catmeow for believing me. I am glad people on this forum take me as credible. I believe many people can also move the psi wheel with enough practice. I would recommend searching "psi wheel" on this forum and trying out the various techniques to move it.

Each person may require a slightly different technique to get results. Another member on here named Beavis has claimed to have success with the psi wheel also.

If anyone has success, please post your information on this thread. Thanks.

[David Warner]

Hi,
I have surveillance equipment where anything moves it starts recording video. Ill eventually dig it out if I get results moving things.
Its on my list. Sleep is too so we may be waiting a while lol.

I would bring it out now and get down to business! Don't waste time.... When you are on a roll, ya gotta take advantage of it when you can..

Good Luck
Dave