Never been able to prove its more than a mind game

[iNNERvOYAGER]

T.L, don't tell SkepticBoy the exact time, I think he's planning to set an ethereal ectoplasm energy trap to hold your astral body for scientific research. 

[T.L.]

"Any progress?"

Day before yesterday I passed out in the vibrations. Yesterday I got the vibrations but my physical body wasn't relaxed enough when they struck and they faded away. Today I have not made my attempt yet (most days I have to wait for my wife to get back from work because Im watching my daughter). Tomorrow I get to attempt during the morning and afternoon because my wife is off work.

[T.L.]

Man I screwed up. I laid down at 1 am to attempt. I got out and ended up in Pittsburgh. I can't remember how I figured out where I was I just remember when I was walking down the road I seen a sign or ad or something that led me to the realization that is where I was. I can't remember because I ended up falling asleep and into a dream. Now all I can remember is the dream I had. In the dream I was walking behind this building and I seen 5 people come running out with guns. They are in some kind of uniform and the building looked like a run down factory. They got into some kind of defensive position and 5 guys with red shirts come running out firing weapons, not real bullets though. They were having some kind of mock fight or whatever. I walked away and decided to fly. Eventually I ended up on a roof top of this one place I felt was interesting. I fell through the roof which was odd. The first thing I seen was a huge chandelier upon entering the building. I landed in a huge hallway in front of a staircase. It was all done in white marble. I walked down the stairs and people were passing and talking. They were not speaking english at all but I could tell they were speaking french, it's easy to identify french when you hear it spoken. Anyway that's about it.


Im just ticked that I was able to project but now forget the entire thing because I ended up losing consciousness and fell into a dream. The dream itself though could have been an unconscious projection but when that happens it might as well be just a dream because you have no control or memory of control at all. However since when do I have normal dreams that involve people speaking a non-english language (when all I can speak is english). Oh well no point in it for me to speculate. Im just mad at myself for slipping into a dream in the first place, normally once I feel myself slipping towards unconsciousness Ill sit up physically before I end up slipping into a dream, as to not forget what I had just done and keep the entire experience and the finer points of it intact in my memory. Well, Ill just have to try again grrr.

[SkepticBoy]

Gonna try still T.L.?

[T.L.]

Yeah I got out this morning but ended up in my hometown in a different year (1996). I just observed all the people I used to know running around...etc. I wouldnt be able to figure out how to get to the present from there. There would be no use in trying either to go there from where I was because I don't even know if your house existed in 1996 heh or if you lived there, even if that is the case that object I am to identify wouldn't have been there. Im waiting for the best exist when I end up in the here and now to try to get there.

[MikeMk]

Verifications of OBE are only dreams of some ezoteric people...
Nothing more...

It's XXI century!

First position must be OBE = AP = Lucide
Second - try to prove another, if think so

[CFTraveler]

Validations are only dreams of some ezoteric people...
Nothing more...

It's XXI century!

What does the word 'validate' mean to you?

[CFTraveler]

Deleted- quoted when I meant to modify.

[MikeMk]

What does the word 'validate' mean to you?

Sorry
verifications of OBE

[UmmaGumma]

Hi UmmaGumma

It's always good to hear validations like these, would you be interested in adding your validations to the validation thread:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html

?

Thanks!

I'd be more than happy!

[SkepticBoy]

Nvm then T.L. guess you cant do it.

[catmeow]

Thanks UmmaGumma, I look forward to reading it! A lot of people aren't aware of this thread since it is tucked awaya little.

[T.L.]

Nvm then T.L. guess you cant do it.

This attitude is part of the reason I was apprehensive about arranging this experiment with you. I told you from the beginning a lot of patience is required not only because I may be only able to get out a couple of times a week. Then when I get out I don't always end up in the here and now, and even after all my experiences I still can't control that yet. Then the traveling part while out I still haven't figured out a way to completely control that either. These are all things I pointed out when you first asked me to do the experiment. This is the reason I could only validate things in or around my house, and until I gain more control over the experience I wont be able to. I also pointed out with all these issues it will take quite some time, and probably still will.

[Panthau]

This is silly anyway. To be able to project to someones house and prove something, u have to have a very
strong emotional connection to it, and even then you have to prepare every day for weeks to achieve that
goal and even then its not said that it would work. Our higher selfs are watching over us, and even then
when we most want to validate something, the chances seem to shrink. Why? I dont know.

[catmeow]

Our higher selfs are watching over us, and even then
when we most want to validate something, the chances seem to shrink. Why? I dont know.

I seriously believe there is a mechanism involved which prevents us from performing an ultimate validation. The reason? well because we are here to go through an earth-experience - if we knew for sure that there was an after-life then that would completely change our earth-experience and would defeat the whole reason for us being here.  So we are only allowed glimpses of the truth, but are not allowed to definitively "prove" it.

[CFTraveler]

I seriously believe there is a mechanism involved which prevents us from performing an ultimate validation. The reason? well because we are here to go through an earth-experience - if we knew for sure that there was an after-life then that would completely change our earth-experience and would defeat the whole reason for us being here.  So we are only allowed glimpses of the truth, but are not allowed to definitively "prove" it.

Or not yet, anyway.  Maybe some day, maybe our experience of separation (subjectivity) makes it impossible to prove it.  After all, the nature of this existence (the ability for subjectivity) sort of seems to preclude the ability to ultimately do anything, 'ultimately' being the operative word here.

[David Warner]

thedubdude,

I have been projecting over twenty years now and have verified w/o no shadow of a doubt that something does exist beyound. I was like you trying so hard, out on a mission blazing fire to have physical evidence to spiritual after life existance.

Never really got anywhere until I stopped caring and gave up on validations. Also, not to mention how my worldy views, caring, opening up and loving others made a diffence in change. In the last five years of statistc tracking, I have validated roughly 65 OBEs - either coidences, validation, sycronicity.. its all there in my journal spreadsheet.

You are more than welcome to visit my web site and compare notes and review the data presented.

Good luck,

Tvos

[T.L.]

To be able to project to someones house and prove something, u have to have a very
strong emotional connection to it

I don't agree with that notion I've had limited success with getting to places I didn't have an emotional connection with. As long as I was focused on my intent and was in no danger of falling asleep/losing consciousness. Of course it does take time though for the right kind of exit to occur. One in which I end up in the here and now. Until I get more control over the experiences this will stay an issue, but I feel if I can get control over it it will no longer be an issue.

[Xanth]

I believe there only requires a strong will or intent to do something.

[Panthau]

I believe there only requites a strong will or intent to do something.

haha if that would be the case, id be able to project since a year or so

[Xanth]

haha if that would be the case, id be able to project since a year or so

I should add to my statement "when out of body". 
Once you're out, anything is merely only a thought away.

[David Warner]

if you have intent, goals, a plan of action you want to pursue in the obe, your success rate of achivement will prevail. if you just go about projecting casually w/o direction, you will be pulled back and the obes will be short lived.

i talk from experience of having thousands of obes, experimentations, documentation, statistics. its like anything in physical life - if you approach playing the guitar w/o no specific goal or itent you won't be a good player... or being a painter - why paint if there is no goal?

tvos

[Panthau]

Im having the goal to have an obe. Does that count? hehe
Or would it be generally easier to get an obe if you have a goal?

I have so many goals, but id like to first validate that it works hehe

[David Warner]

the goal of having the obe is good way to start... but what i am referring to is when you do project, what do you want to accomplish while out of body. maybe its just getting out of the body a few feet looking back at your physical, or leaving the house sitting on the front porch. these are simple goals and should realize you have to start off simple and basic being realistic.

tvos

[SkepticBoy]

[quote author=tvos link=topic=29064.msg242284#msg242284 date=1247844622

i talk from experience of having thousands of obes, experimentations, documentation, statistics. its like anything in physical life - if you approach playing the guitar w/o no specific goal or itent you won't be a good player... or being a painter - why paint if there is no goal?

tvos
[/quote]

So out of your thousands of OBE's....how many validations you get?