It's cool , but ... ?

[LeanLow]

Been there with the authorities. Previous ones were an absolute replica down to the blades of grass. 100% accurate, these people died and the numbers are over thousands if you count them all. It was a long time ago and I managed some control since.
Yep it was heartbreaking too.
Another thread 'NMPR's ending in death',  find this and have a read too.

Well , you don't need to have visions , to understand that ww3 is inescapable in very near future , if you are interested in geopolitics you can grasp it .

[desert-rat]

I use DickSutphen's name because he knows his stuff . Some of his mp3 can be downloaded from torrent sites . I think some are  on you tube , so its free . In the 70s he made a.p. tapes for guys in jail .      I also use a lot of other names .  Robert Monroe , Willam Buhlman , Bruce Goldberg , Robert Bruce, and a few more . I use links to wikipedia , on another forum some think I work for them . Wiki is non profit and they ask for donations .  desert rat 

[fuzzywuzzy]

I'm not sure what kind of reaction you are trying to get out of any of us with your insults to our group. Do you want us to defend ourselves? Bend over backwards to try and prove it to you? That's not our job. If you don't believe us, that's your problem. Not ours.

[desert-rat]

This is a you tube    DickSutphen  link .  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yBxyIoYeyo    There are some fear based a.p. videos on you tube made by church groups , I will post a link when I find them . I also use the name Erin Pavlina , her blogs are for free , but I think she still does do readings , for witch she does charge a fee . http://www.erinpavlina.com/     WE all need to eat . desert rat  

[desert-rat]

Art Bell , did his coast to coast over night radio show , not believing all that he talked about over the air .  One night while in Paris he had an out of body experence . He said it completely changed his ideas . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Bell    desert rat 

[desert-rat]

To Lean Low ,  hear is a link to a post-link I made on another forum , its a FEAR based  dangers of a.p. you tube video . Its funny to watch . http://halfway.oceanfalls.org/index.php?topic=3004.0  And a discussion of it on astral dynamics http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13423-Dangers-of-oobe    desert rat 

[Szaxx]

Geopolitics, rofl,
In 1974 things like these modern political nonsense all goody goody blah didn't exist.
You sound young and pssd off over something.
Take the challenge, Id guess you'd eventually succeed.

[desert-rat]

To Lean Low , read Robert Monroe's first book " journeys out of the body "  where he goes out of body by accdent . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Monroe  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZHXtzuJ9c    desert rat 

[Astralzombie]

P.S People don't be naive , don't believe anything blindly what you hear or read , and don't be delusional people that i mentioned or people like arrogant scientists (don't get me started how many times in history science failed and one theories changed the other) so even science can not be 100% 'legit' sometimes. I will tell you one secret , there could be things that you blindly believe or think that something is unquestionable and undisputed truth , but guess what , it's not always as you think it is .

Thank you for the advice. To think, after all this time I've been blindly believing everything I see and hear. I never once considered that things may not be what they seem.

Anyways, why are you here? Are you trying to save our minds from believing something that you don't or are you interested in having your own experiences?

I can guarantee you that one is possible and there is no chance of the other. Everyone here is tired of believing what we have been told is the truth in the face of what we personally know to be different. Once you have a few experiences yourself, you will most likely change your mind in regards to who you think is crazy and who isn't. Of course, that depends on you not being crazy in the first place.

You mention a few simple parlor tricks that we can try and do in order to prove this to ourselves. Have you considered the possibility that many of us have already objectively proven all of this. The ways in which we have would blow your mind. Then again, it wouldn't make a difference if you are skeptical just for the sake of being ignorant.

I hope you find some of the answers to your simple questions. We already have and now most of us are looking way past the shallowness of having to prove any of this to anybody but ourselves. I'm not saying that we have all the answers. I'm saying that personally we have easily answered some of the questions that science think are hard or impossible to answer.

[desert-rat]

I dont know why 'arrogrant scientists " are beinging included in this .  Astral projection is not relly accepted by scince .     I could go on to an astro-phy. forum and tell them the big bang theory  ,the red shift of the cosmos,      string theory , quntum mec. ,   and some others are b.s. as they make little scense. desert rat

[Lionheart]

 I'm just curious LeanLow, why did you come to this Forum?  

You won't make any friends here by calling people a bunch a lunatics and saying they are insane.

A healthy skeptism is one thing, but now you are just plain attacking the concept.

Do you wish to learn or do you just wish to troll everyone.

Trolling on this forum is not allowed and will NOT be tolerated!

[enlightnd]

I don't get whats the point of faking telekinesis , do people feel better after fooling a person who is not so well mentally gifted ? There was a test on some bodybuilding forum , a guy wrote a word with five letters and put in on his window told where he lives etc , the asked for those who know AP to quess the words , 50 ppl~ quessed wrong more than 30+ really genuinely believed that they saw the correct word , no one guessed the right word as it was not 5 but actually more letters , so there are a lot of crazy folks out there

I wasn't going to post this as i don't think your worth the time, Why be so negative your coming across as a complete D**K! But anyway, As I'm very new to this it might open your mind abit.. Might.

I'm VERY sceptical of telekinesis also, Thats something i will probably never believe until i did it personally or was shown it in person and proved.
That said, I still don't rule it out fully as I'm always getting surprised lately.

As for this guy on the bodybuilding forum... Im no expert in this as of yet and i only just had my third conscious Projection this morning, But, You need to realise there are different levels to the astral and copies of the Real world in your sub conscious, This is in a non physical form its not an actual solid material place like earth..(just stating the obvious here) Theres a lot you need to learn, whether you WANT to learn is a different question, Whether these places exist or they are all just in our sub conscious we don't no, But we all go there none the less. Like this morning, I projected twice, The first was a totally random place, The second was in my very room here where i slept, Everything looked identical, But i can't say for sure if it was the RTZ or not as i didn't have anything set to test. But i think its defiantly possible to project RTZ but it takes a lot more practice, But thats my opinion, And I'm sure ill get there soon enough and prove it to myself. Not to you.

But all those people guessing the wrong letters, I bet some were really close.  I read something like this just the other day on here where i was questioning, Basically it sounds like in the RTZ it takes ALOT more practice to be able to see things clearly and as they actually are in the real, They may look similar but have slight faults or differences, Until you can train yourself enough to see things exactly as they are, Well i guess that just comes with determination and practice.

Im still not trying to convince you, Just stating what iv experienced so far and what i have heard and see as easly possible now through my own experience, But You should find out for yourself before you go knocking it all and calling everyone here 'mentally ill' and just being plain rude. Its good to be skeptical for sure! I was slightly skeptical all the way up until a week ago when i found myself flying around the astral planes fully conscious.

Like Its_all_bad says, a lot of people here have proved these things already and are far ahead of this, And once you actually put some time and effort into giving it a solid shot or WANT to yourself then you will always be this negative guy thinking its a load of b.s. And thats fine but we won't want to no you at all.

I hope you find some of the answers to your simple questions. We already have and now most of us are looking way past the shallowness of having to prove any of this to anybody but ourselves. I'm not saying that we have all the answers. I'm saying that personally we have easily answered some of the questions that science think are hard or impossible to answer.

What he said.

[desert-rat]

Why would some one on a body building forum be an expert on astral projection or p.k. ?  Not that there is any thing wrong with a body building forum or body building .  One would ask a plumber a legal question .         desert rat  

[Bedeekin]

I believe that astral projection experience are possible , i'm don't think that you can see in real time what is happening in real world while you are in astral  , and even thinking about telekinesis is an insult to my intelligence , i mean , cmon , really ? if you believe in that type of sh1t then you are a lunatic and you are possible of believe in even worse things , people like that usually join sects and cults . I don't get whats the point of faking telekinesis , do people feel better after fooling a person who is not so well mentally gifted ? There was a test on some bodybuilding forum , a guy wrote a word with five letters and put in on his window told where he lives etc , the asked for those who know AP to quess the words , 50 ppl~ quessed wrong more than 30+ really genuinely believed that they saw the correct word , no one guessed the right word as it was not 5 but actually more letters , so there are a lot of crazy folks out there .Next about desert rat , yes you seem like a guy who is marketing some AP and other stuff like that , you wrote here "DickSutphen says you can go any where you want  while out of body " - i mean , what That would be like , i come to a shop and ask for a sails person to show me where the food sector is and the answer would be "The president of USA is Obama" , you get my point . You said "DickSutphen says you can go any where you want  while out of body " and the point  ?? I need to except it something ? .So yes ,by judging of what you have written on that post i think that you are a promoter human or bot doesn't matter . People in general are naive and very easily manipulative . I'm say that i don't think that you can see in real time with AP or that AP is another realm  , but that doesn't make it true or that it's not possible , i'm don't denying  other options blindly , i just think that it's not possible. And people who are saying that AP is another realm or that it's in real time and wouldn't think otherwise for example that it's something in your brains that is happening and make you see be in AP state (note the same effect is when you are on LSD) are just stupid and not worth even debating . People  like running from their problems and "closing in theirselfs" , people are smoking and don't think about the consequences , because they want to feel "it" now that the later don't matter the same if for drugs . While you are in AP you want to believe it's real because thats the feeling of  something from out of this world and it seems very real (example it's like finding that hogwarts is real , that would be cool wouldn't it? I'm generalizing here but, put in the word "hogwarts" the thing that you are fan of or you would like it to be reality . You know what i mean ...), but even scientists don't know even 1% of the human capability and inside structure of how brains work . Well , it's impossible (to my knowledge) that at this time its proven by science that AP is only in your brain and not the other realm as science reject all those sort of things , but the current proofs are not 100% and lacks information . Well ok , as for people who believe that it's in real time , you believe it blindly or did you prove it to yourself , i'm not asking you to prove anything to me , prove it to yourself , or are you just to scared of something and it's fine for you how it is and you believe it . You ask me how can i prove that to myself ? Well write a random digit and a letter on a papers then draw one paper without looking at it and put in near you while you are in AP you will be able to see it woun't you ? And this is nobrainer "proof to yourself" test, well for me it would be "nobrainer"  test because i would like to proof that to myself if i believe that you can see in real time while in AP . As i'm finishing my speech , i'm starting to think why i even wrote that much , people don't seek the truth give them beer and games , that's all they need . (I'm talking metaphorically here) . Well ok .. I would be glad to hear thoughts of what i have written here from someone who is not delusional . (Pardon for my gramma) .

P.S People don't be naive , don't believe anything blindly what you hear or read , and don't be delusional people that i mentioned or people like arrogant scientists (don't get me started how many times in history science failed and one theories changed the other) so even science can not be 100% 'legit' sometimes. I will tell you one secret , there could be things that you blindly believe or think that something is unquestionable and undisputed truth , but guess what , it's not always as you think it is .

You sound fun.

This.... this one's the clincher...

"I believe that astral projection experience are possible"

Well that's just great isn't it.

[LeanLow]

I see that some people didn't understood what i meant ... I'm sorry if i offended someone , that wasn't my intention . I have read whole "Ultimate_Journey-Robert A Monroe" book yesterday , tried for 2 hours straight today - nothing , after i got up from bed  my body parts was numb . The hardest part seems to be concentrating because after some time i cought myself 'drifting' in dream . Also after first hour my throat dries up and i automatically swallow plus i was hungry . I'm trying it in day light and that seems to be a problem because when i close my eyes it's not dark but almost white , maybe i will try to put solarium shades that you can't see anything through them , but then if i projected would i be able to see ?  . I'm dedicated to experience this myself , i will give it a go for a month or so . I will try today again .

[Szaxx]

Have you read this,

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_astral_blueprint-t38729.0.html

Your above post shows progress.
Keep doing what you're doing for now unless you relate strongly to the contents. It's ideal for those with some non physical experience.
Glad you're dedicated, you'll get great rewards once successful.
Tips,
Don't try to force this and it's best not to expect anything. That sounds counterproductive but it's not.

[Lionheart]

 Wow, you read the whole book and then tired to AP, but nothing happened.

I'm shocked!  

You need to put a lot more work into it then that.

This takes patience, a lot of practice and perseverance.

Read more on this Forum and you will see how it took some members YEARS to learn this.

But, you are starting out right. Immerse your mind in everything you can find on this topic.

Practice often.

Learn to meditate.

Go to YouTube.com search for videos on AP, there's a ton of them out there.

These are all things that will help you to shift your focus, from this physical reality to the non physical reality.

[LeanLow]

Also even if i'm concentrated , some songs are just stuck in my head and the harder i'm trying  not hear it the more i hear it , does that effect AP ?

[Lionheart]

Also even if i'm concentrated , some songs are just stuck in my head and the harder i'm trying  not hear it the more i hear it , does that effect AP ?

Only if you believe it will! 

[Szaxx]

Play on the song. Do the opposite of ignoring it. Make it loud and clear, you'll be able to put your own words to it then and change it with a thought. It could become that clear that the group are in your room with you.
Have a read,

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/auditory_command-t37195.0.html

[fuzzywuzzy]

I see that some people didn't understood what i meant ... I'm sorry if i offended someone , that wasn't my intention . I have read whole "Ultimate_Journey-Robert A Monroe" book yesterday , tried for 2 hours straight today - nothing , after i got up from bed  my body parts was numb . The hardest part seems to be concentrating because after some time i cought myself 'drifting' in dream . Also after first hour my throat dries up and i automatically swallow plus i was hungry . I'm trying it in day light and that seems to be a problem because when i close my eyes it's not dark but almost white , maybe i will try to put solarium shades that you can't see anything through them , but then if i projected would i be able to see ?  . I'm dedicated to experience this myself , i will give it a go for a month or so . I will try today again .

If you really want to do this, don't give it a time frame like it has to happen in one month or you give up. Some people take a while to learn. I'm not sure why, but it's different for everyone. Your body being numb is a good sign. Swallowing isn't a big deal unless you let it be a big deal. Try to get into a state where your mind is awake but your body is asleep. I've heard theta binaural beats can help beginners.

[Astralzombie]

Hello Leanlow,

There is nothing wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism. We understand that we make some incredible claims but once you have a few of your own experiences, you'll begin to understand. You will never learn it all or cease to be fascinated but you will lose most of your desire to prove it to anyone but yourself.

You will be amazed at how extraordinary claims and ideas become normal to your new understanding. I hope that you keep trying until you succeed. Skepticism with an open mind is all you need. Outright and absolute denial of something in which you have no understanding of is as foolish as believing everything we say is true.

We don't want that for anyone. Good luck and keep exploring.