Speed OBEs - Going for instantaneous OBEs at will

[Blackstream]

That'd be kinda messed up but cool if you could do it instantly.  You'd all be like, "Hmmm, a 3 minute red light.  Now's a good time for a quick obe *pop*.  Hey, that girl in the next car over is pretty cute.  Whoop, time to go back *pop*"

I can try getting it down to 5 minutes, but seeing as I haven't even had one yet, it might be kinda hard. We'll see tho.

[cube]

Hi guys I will keep you posted on how it goes with me and I'll be checking back here to see how you're doing.

I want to have a contest to see who can have the first 5-minute OBE.

[acidmax120]

(In response to cubes challenge to me in PM)

My group has already attempted Instant OBEs.A friend has gotten an OBE in 30-50 seconds.

For this (30 seconds) to happen, you need to be very skilled with OBEs and do forms of sleep deprivation.

A fast click into astral for me takes about 5 minutes, my best was within 2 minutes. This is from sleep deprivation. If I really try I can astral in 10 minutes anytime I try.

Once you know what kind of state of mind to seek when you OBE, its easy to hit them.

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Here's a post that you may find interesting: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1765

What Frank described is something i wouldn't mind shooting for, but i think i'll take things one step at a time. First thing is getting out by getting my body asleep. It's no good for newbies to projection, like myself, to try and get instant OBEs straight away. That seems like jumping in the deep end []

[cube]

I guess I should clarify that the timer starts when you start preparing for the OBE, so if you have to spend 24 hours being sleep deprived then that's a 24 hour OBE.

I agree with acidmax and sunrise that it's really a matter of shooting for the right hypnagogic state, you will need to have OBEd a few times and havs paid attention to know what that feels like in order to do it fast.

However, I don't agree that it's "easy". An expert pool player might be able to make some amazing shot that bounces off the ceiling every time but they still have to put forth effort to do it.

I just went thought the routine with the wavs and got to a mild hypnagogic state on the 3 minute wav with muscle twitches and slight disorientation. That's ok for a start I suppose, I have a lot of room for improvement.

[The AlphaOmega]

The person whom I first heard about OBE experiences from said that it came natural to him, like Monroe (those bastards []).  Anyways, he said that often times he would be riding in a car or something and suddenly he could see his astral arm rise out of his physical arm, or he would spontaneously and awake get the vibrations.  I guess if it's possible to have one completely awake without trying, then it could be possible to have one in 10 seconds or so if you were trying.

[Mystic Cloud]

Hmm... I'm pretty sure that it would be possible to have an OBE while you are fully conscious and awake and doing things. Even though Robert Bruce denies it in his book. But still the fact that you get 2 SEPARATE memories if you are OBE and are still 'awake' in your physical body. So in theory it should be possible to maybe relax -> project -> go explore someplace and at the sametime continue to do stuff with your physical body

[manuel]

While this does sound nice to have, I think you may only set your self out for dissapointment, this only adds the "beat the clock" syndrom, I have done this where I kept my mind on the time and all it did was not let me out, I say, as long as it takes, is the way.

[cube]

Manuel,
Not at all! I've already made progress, I can relax faster and more deeply. I'm almost to the point where I can become hypnagogic in 5 minutes so no matter what I am benefiting from making things more strict.

If you're worried about the time while you're relaxing then you're not relaxing, that's the whole point of it.

Alpha and Cloud,
It would be an interesting experience to say the least to be able to split your consciousness across the physical and the astral at the same time, it would be even more fascinating to be able to do that at will!

[The AlphaOmega]

Cube, I am most curious about your techniques to allow you to reach such stages.  I firmly agree with your experiment, for the simple fact that I believe that the only thing that holds us back from having an OBE is our own will.  There has never been a set time required to have an OBE, simply a set state of mind.  And being as the mind is the most powerful thing we know of, who is to say that it has limitations.  After all, if it is not restricted to the physical body, why would it be restricted by the physical sense of time?  My only hope is that you can give the likes of us a means of experimenting with you and giving our results as well.  It's not much of an experiment if only one person can offer input.  Further more, it is also my hope that your experiences and techniques are derived from the mind itself, and not from hemisync or binaural waves, etc, which are often used as shortcuts that do not work for everyone.  Your research would be much more verifiable if a number of people are able to conduct it with you.  Please specify what techniques you use and how they are done to reach (in theory) much faster states of altered conciousness.  If you truly are on to something then having a number of people being able to verify it would greatly increase the transition from idea to probability.  I look forward to your treatise!

[OverDriven]

Cube, I wouldn't say you are having 30 second OBE's if you are doing it as you wake up. You are preapring all night long. Say you sleep for 8 hours...then IMO you are having an 8 hour OBE.

[cube]

Alpha,
I'm not using a special technique, I'm just doing what I normally do but in a shorter timeframe. At night before sleep I lay on my back with a towel under my head and blank my mind for 10 or 15 minutes. Then in the morning I do these 5 minute relaxation things.

I lay down and spend 45 seconds or a minute relaxing each part of my body, then do the mindblank or focus on my 3rd eye, or one of the other things people do.


OverDriven,
I'm not saying I'm having 30 second OBEs, I'm saying my goal is to have 30 second OBEs. They way I see it, if we can learn to relax into a sleep-paralysis state in 4 minutes, and then take 30 seconds to actually project, then we can do 5 minute OBEs. My point was that the 'actually project' part does not take long at all, all the overhead is the relaxing stage.

[Sophistik]

I'm not bragging but I've had a 30 second OBE!  

That is, one that came on in 30 seconds, not lasted 30.

My trick is to fall asleep, then wake up a couple hours before I normally would.  Then go back to bed but try to AP.

You'll be SURPRISED how fast you reach focus 10.  *snaps fingers*

[cube]

Sophistik,
I agree that an OBE happens very fast, but what I'm trying to do is do the relaxation part in 5 minutes without having to go to sleep first. All my OBEs so far have been like you described, where I was asleep, woek, went back to 'sleep' and then OBEd pretty much instantly.

That is not a 30 second OBE however, that's an 8 hour OBE because I had to sleep for 8 hours first.

[Kuhl]

Instand obes wouldn't be good because we would continiously leave our bodies.  This would ruin our life unles we properly regulated.

[cube]

I think that's a question of ability versus intent. The ability to leave at will would be good, but the lack of intent to keep the rest of your life running smoothly would be 'bad'. It's like anything else where there's got to be a little moderation.

[weagle]

its possible ive met two people in my lifetime that could astral project both at the same time in the same room next to each other after someone says to look at his finger and bam they fall asleep but mind awake.  basically they can fall into trance fast, I think with time and practice you can probably do the same theres is no quick method though at the beginning.

[cube]

Wow, could you ask those people to post here how they do that?

Do you think it's just natural to them or did they have to practice?

[delure]

I have read somewhere I do not remember where that some guys on super fast street bikes as they reach max speeds find them self hovering above out of the body . It goes in two stages
First every outside sound will disappear (this is quite common at very high speed)
Second suddenly you would find yourself out of the body.
   Therefore what you only need is a few extra thousands to get a bike, then find same nice stretch of  road and hit it. If I am correct you should hit top speed within 20 to 30 second and that not bad for OBE.
   Probably there is another factor , because at that speed you have to be very spiritual and believe that  cops are not around and that old farmer Joe is not trying to cross the road on his tractor.
   Now seriously, as I have read many books on OBE and vent through many forums it looks to me that usually persons who would have OBE naturally can reach it quite fast , for the rest of the crowd who has to practice a lot it always takes just a tiny bit longer.
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[TheLunatic]

I thinks it's possible to train ones self to have OBE's in a very short period of time but first it's important to be able to have them at will when every you decide.

It's like anything else in life. The more you practice doing something the faster you can do it. I'm sure there are limits to how fast an OBE can happen but I don't think there has been any real work to determine that limit.

I'd think 10 to 15 minutes would be completely possible for everyone. Anything below that would take special talent but this is a guess of coarse.

Running a mile would seem to be a very accurate. Everyone in generally ok health can run a mile in 15 minutes. To do it in 4 takes talent...

[blueflame]

Sure I get OBEs in 30 seconds, usually they take about 10 minutes.

[SpectralDragon]

hate to say it but I think you guys are limiting yourselfs here, I can OBE instantly, and I have OBE'd when walking. A freind of mine can vouch for this (lord of the bunnies).

This exercise helps this a lot:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10449

Do this exercise and if you get to the seventh step you should be able to do it. I said Should becuase I can do 7. I am not sure if this is a fact.

[Monkey]

There are instant projection techniques. The basic Body of Light technique used by the Golden Dawn and Aleister Crowley, as given an many books on projection and magick, One simply visualises the double and then transfers consciosness to it. A few say to relax first, but not many. A variation of this is used by the Aurum Solis, as given in the books by Denning and Phillips.

Also the author Stephen Mace describes using a personal sigil for the purposes of projection, which causes this to happen instantly.

There is also the techinique given by Konstantinos where you visualise yourself filled with light, then transfer consciousness to this image and then separate, moving away. Plus he goes on to using this while stading, in the middle of various magickal operations.

[Michael_E]

quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon

hate to say it but I think you guys are limiting yourselfs here, I can OBE instantly, and I have OBE'd when walking. A freind of mine can vouch for this (lord of the bunnies).

I always thought having an oobe while walking was possible but was to scared to try it. I figuered i would fall over or not be able to control my physical. Were you still aware and in control of your physical?

[Naldo]

Cube,

Have you ever tried counting backwards from 10 to 1 while in a totally relaxed state?

If right now you can OBE whithin 5 minutes, then at around 2-3 minutes of relaxation introduce the 10 to 1 procedure, with the intent of your current relaxation state intensifying 1000 folds on every step of the way.

Try it and tell us the results.

Note: That's my current goal... to lie down, stretch, count backwards from 10 to 1 and begin with the astral process. That would be 10-15 seconds.