Drug induced OBE

[95trevor]

Is it possible with the help of certain drugs that it would be easier to leave your body?  I will admit that i do drugs now people who dont want to hear it can just leave.... Now while i was smoking marijuana i was past a certain point where my body turns incredibly sleepy and when i was just sitting there i felt my astral self trying to leave and i "fell" or even felt like i had gotten pushed out.  It wasn't something i was doing on purpose it was so unintentional.  And i was even afraid and still had gotten out.  Its not my first time astral projecting i can do so with out the use of drugs but i was wondering how much this is related to the drugs and why did it feel as if i was pushed out??  And i didnt have time to have fun with my ap i had to go back in because i was with my friends.  I was bumbed i wasnt alone because it was one of the only times i achieved ap so easily please help.

[mon9999]

yes ayahuasca! its used by american indian and its very powerful it will give you a "Near-death like experience".. search on youtube about people personal experiences.. Im willing to try it too.. there are some ayahuasca retreats in north america.. 

[desert-rat]

I have heard that ketamine  will work also .  Any one using drugs of this kind should know what they are doing .   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca    desert rat   

[majour ka]

Ketamin can give you a perminant obe....destroys your bladder and kidneys

[Mini stapler]

I wouldn't suggest Ket for a few reasons;

1. It's not really that good as far as recreational drugs go, IMO not worth taking for any reason.

2. K-hole is no fun (understatement of the millennium).

Mainly the latter point. Not good.

[Steel Hawk]

Is it possible with the help of certain drugs that it would be easier to leave your body?  I will admit that i do drugs now people who dont want to hear it can just leave.... Now while i was smoking marijuana i was past a certain point where my body turns incredibly sleepy and when i was just sitting there i felt my astral self trying to leave and i "fell" or even felt like i had gotten pushed out.  It wasn't something i was doing on purpose it was so unintentional.  And i was even afraid and still had gotten out.  Its not my first time astral projecting i can do so with out the use of drugs but i was wondering how much this is related to the drugs and why did it feel as if i was pushed out??  And i didnt have time to have fun with my ap i had to go back in because i was with my friends.  I was bumbed i wasnt alone because it was one of the only times i achieved ap so easily please help.

Opioids definitely do the trick for me. The danger here is a permanent OBE, therefore never go to sleep while still high on life -- you might stop breathing. Wait many hours until you can't stay awake any longer. I can't say if they would work for everyone (although Aleister Crowley loved them) and I have no idea if they would work for someone that hasn't done it a few times (AP/OBE).

My story: Was drug free / never had done drugs learned to OBE/AP. Many years later real life took over, caught a bad pill habit which if I stayed up and let the high go away then when I went to bed I was almost guaranteed an OBE whether I wanted it or not.

But seriously I must warn you it's dumb luck that I'm still alive and haven't died in my sleep by now. And opiates will completely screw up your life no matter how careful you are.

[Xanth]

Ketamine is an ANIMAL TRANQUILIZER... c'mon folks, use your heads please.  >_<

[Volgerle]

Ketamine is an ANIMAL TRANQUILIZER... c'mon folks, use your heads please.  >_<

It's stronger than a tranquilizer, it's the very substance induced for general anesthesia, humans and animals. It's often the main ingredient to keep you 'dead' during any professional surgery. Some argue that it causes or helps to facilitate the OBE "hallucinations" (=conventional medicine standpoint) during surgery. That's arguable (cuz we still have our own DMT, too, do we?  )

[Nikhil]

I suggest DMT 
Its not that easily available so youll have to make it your self. I havent tried that. For those interested : http://www.erowid.org/plants/mimosa/mimosa_chemistry1.shtml

Also, a documentary for those who dont know about DMT. Its absolutely amazing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4T5LduZ9vg

[Xanth]

I suggest trying to do this yourself.  Geeze...

[desert-rat]

If you do use a drug that causes hallucinations , you will not not know if what you are seeing is for real . desert rat 

[pondini]

desert-rat, i would probably agree with you if i hadn't had a transformative experience on weed -one that i tried and failed to replicate afterwards. i'll still have a hit here and there, but i don't use it for spiritual pursuit.

i believe drugs can work as a nudge, or a shove, depending on your stage of development. in that context it can also backfire on some.

[majour ka]

im with xanth, better to develop your mind..not a bad habit

[Boom]

Yeah Drugs are generally not good.  People have had success without.  You'll find that most astral projection communities will not tolerate the talk of it, and certinately not advise on it.

My personal stance on it, is it would be interesting to try using it as a nudge to get out, to prove to myself that AP is real, and that it is possible to project my conciousness away from my physical body.  I think having a proven experience like that where I am satisfied that I just did that, would give me the motivation to really go for it learning how to do it without the drugs and develop myself because I know I'm chasing an actual real thing.. not just doing this based on some faith and some stuff I read on the internet.

[Volgerle]

If you do use a drug that causes hallucinations , you will not not know if what you are seeing is for real . desert rat  

we shouldn't confuse the trigger with the experience, because how does a drug "produce" an experience? it just triggers it or helps to trigger it by bio-chemical reactions in your body or brain or blood or whereever but it is not the content of the experience ITSELF

[Bluefirephoenix]

First yes drugs will induce visions. It is a shamanic technique. What you don't realize about the plant etheogens though is the ritual and dieta surrounding them are extensive. Your working with a plant spirit not just a drug. Means you have to grow it, go on an appropriate fast for it, maybe for years before your ready to injest it. Injestion should be done under the guidance of an experienced shaman. Even then you might be rejected you don't know. The fastings before hand may be something like 4 days no food no water. Sweat lodges may be required as well. Using plants for journeying is an extensive process which really requires cultural knowledge and immersion to be done properly. This isn't just an experience it's the building of a relationship and requires commitment. It requires a 3 week recovery period after the initiation is done. Other wise you gain nothing except an addiction and punishment by the spirit of the plant for abuse. Tobacco is a good example. It's a sacred plant that has been profaned. It's purpose was to carry prayers to heaven. Abused it gives illness, cancer and a horrible death by suffocation. Take a look on Ewroid see how many bad experiences people have with Salvia divinaorum then think really hard about what your doing before you get into that. If your serious about the relationship seek it out by all means but be aware these spirits are not light lovely gentle teachers. Initiation means being put on the sacrificial altar and accepting what happens to you as a result. I pity those called to that path it's one of the most difficult there is.

[pondini]

95trevor, if you can have OBEs on weed i believe you can probably have them easily without it.

bluefirephoenix, your post reminded me of something i read at dmt-nexus -it's one of the crazier things i've read. you might need to register to view this post but this post and others in the 'quality experiences' section are worth it. https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=3928

[floating_hawaiian]

The first time I had an OBE was when I smoked ganja for the first time since I started meditating, which was probably 4-5 weeks prior which meant the THC was clean out of my system. When I smoked it it felt like a brand new experience, probably BC my perception changed when I started meditating. I smoked, went home and fell asleep, woke up at dusk, read about OBEs until 2-3am, meditated, smoked some more then went to meditate/sleep while holding my gf hand.  In short, I saw the hypnagogic hallucinations, emulated bodily sensations of falling/flipping, saw a black void (which is very different than seeing the black of closed eyes), experienced being overcome by sleep paralysis, felt the intense vibrations/buzzing noises and felt my pineal gland going off like a fire bell, and felt my consciousness rise with every deep breathe.  I was a yard or so above my body before the vibrations I gave to my gf woke her up scared as hell.
That was Sunday morning, and Monday night I was able to invoke the vibrations again (after smoking) twice but didn't pursue OBE bc my girlfriend made me promise not to until she learned more from her mysticism teacher from her university.  Her family (latino) believes in possessions and evil stuff which is too bad for me bc it made me have to start all over again from scratch when my window of opportunity closed.  Ever since then I only experienced the vibrations once more several weeks later, about 9-10 in the am. I had woken up and gone back to sleep, but never anything as intense as the first night.
I believe that the use of some drugs can assist in OBEs, however only with disciplined meditation.  I found it helpful to open your third eye to the experience and allow you to be aware of the energy flowing within, but not to be dependant on it.

[Astralsuzy]

20 Astral Projection Myths Busted!

by Abhishek Agarwal


Myth 17: Drugs be used to help induce Projection.

Truth: Some kinds of Drugs do induce projection, but I do not recommend any kinds of drugs because they harm your Astral vehicle. The key to a productive out-of-body experience is complete control, and control is the first thing lost when you use any kind of mind-altering substance. Drugs curtail your spiritual growth. They take you to the lower Astral Plane full of confusion and disorientation. It is dull, gloomy, and full of negative energy. The lower Astral is very unlike the vibrant, progressive, positive Astral we are seeking to achieve. Why contaminate the biological vehicle when effective results can be achieved naturally? Don't put your body at risk. If there is real desire to experience Astral Projection, then that desire along with consistent practice will get you there.

[thebeardguy]

I wouldn't suggest Ket for a few reasons;

1. It's not really that good as far as recreational drugs go, IMO not worth taking for any reason.

2. K-hole is no fun (understatement of the millennium).

Mainly the latter point. Not good.

K & MXE can be life changing. IMO a hole is one of the best experiences the psychedelic world has to offer.

[piyal_14]

Why would you need drugs to induce an OBE when it is evident that a little concentration can induce it?? Moreover, drugs would induce nothing but hallucinations and you would not be able to experience the real beauty of an AP!!