What causes us to loose awareness?

Graupel · November 01, 2003, 07:08:59

In a normal non-lucid dream where we are forced to play out the scenario that we can't choose.. is that just a barrier between the conscious and subconscious?

And when you are lucid in a dream.. you just mean it is part of that "expanded awareness" state? Sort of like you can access both memories better?

LogoRat · November 01, 2003, 09:53:49

Beeing lucid really means beeing aware of yourself.
When lucid you can still have very unclear sight and hearing in the dream, but you are still aware of yourself and that you know where you are.
Non-lucid dreams is like the physical world turned insideout.
In the physical you constantly think about stuff and are not really aware of yourself and the stuff around you really much.
In the dream you do the same, but the thoughts become reality.
When you become aware of yourself you have more control of your thoughts.

We are not forced to play out scenario's.. we create them with our thoughts, most dreams are a mix of our daily thouhts we have had during the day or month.

Some dreams can be a mix of stuff that is not personal also, stuff you watch on television etc.

My view on OBE and Lucid Dream is that it is just different amount of awareness(licidity).

You can program yourself before going to bed to make yourself aware of things you want todo when you become lucid.
Its like packing your dreambag with memorypacks(missions).

Graupel · November 01, 2003, 15:20:16

And having a strong will (by practice) will allow you to take your awareness into the hypangogic state, in it, and through it to the destination, whether it is AP or OOBE, etc?

You are right, a lot of the times for some reason I just give up and let myself fall asleep.. but I am getting better at observing the states that I go through when I passively clear the mind and go to sleep.

LogoRat · November 01, 2003, 18:05:02

Yes, Practice is the key!
Its the focus that counts.
Accept that it takes effort and will to get to that level of awareness, then it will pay off.
Because its very easy to say "ahh forget it" when you practice.. but that is because there are allready created patterns in your brain that snapps you back to the old you.

Like the brain is a network of rubberbands.
The rubberbands will change its positions and tension by time and effort.
If you dont continue your practice you will most likely snapp back to the old you and stop the practice.

If you keep practice and keep focus on what you want for a period of time, the brain will sooner or later change its shape to match your will and you can then more easily have full awareness when the body falls asleep and you will have great recall when coming back from travel.

Beeing negative of the practice and think "ahh this only waste my time", that is your brain talking.
Its the tension that is winning.

The brain has a very good protectionsystem, but when it comes to these kinds of things, you really have to work hard if you have grown up around people that say that these kind of activities is bad for you.
Even tho you consciously know that its not bad for you, your brain still have patterns to block you.

Practice practice.

Think of the tension you feel "go to sleep, go to sleep, turn around and sleep, you only waste your time", think of it as a challenge, win your mind back.
Try to document how long it took before the tension arised, everytime you wakeup.
Document yourself and try to understand your mind.

Also, when you lie there in bed doing the practice and when the tension arises, change your awareness totally on the tension and accept that it is there..dont try to block it, that wont help, accept that the tension is there and try to understand the feelings and thought, know that it is not your will but only your brain talking.
When you know what it is, then you can just accept it and carry on your practice.
Think of it as a little barking dog that dont want you to walk past the house, just accept that its a barking dog overthere and carry on your business.

Know yourself!

Fat_Turkey · November 02, 2003, 00:04:35

What causes us to loose awareness eh?

Maybe bad spelling?

T_T

~FT

LogoRat · November 02, 2003, 04:48:37

Its you who loose awareness.
Its not something that just makes you loose it.
Its you who wants to.
You giveup or dont care about the dreamworld.

weagle · November 02, 2003, 17:42:33

lack of concentration causes us to lose awareness I will give example if I do the sleep techniqu3e sleep 5-6hours set alarm to wakeup wash face then do some concentration exercise ie stare at a object close eyes visualize it sometimes, if my mind does not wander that day chances are I will astral project when I drop back to sleep if my mind wanders then there is no chance i will wakeup in my dream or be aware of falling asleep and ap. so thats the answer to the question.

Fat_Turkey · November 03, 2003, 00:42:41

This topic is fascinating, but...

LEARN TO SPELL

~FT

hypnotist · November 14, 2003, 17:50:42

Hi Graupel,

The difference between the Conscious and Sub Conscious mind is that the Conscious mind thinks with thousands of other thoughts popping in. It Clutters the mind.

The Sub Conscious mind works more effeciently because it filters out the other non important information.

My Instructor told me that the Two minds the Conscious and Subconscious is like a titor tator a child at one end and a child on the other.

So lets say that the right left side is the conscious and the right side is the Subconscious. At the titor tator on the left go's down ( the conscious mind ) slows down to the point that no exteranl information will influence it. At the same time the Right side go's up and the Subconscious mind becomes more aware.

But what happens when both sides of the titor totar are at the same hight or equal. Thats where one is in the (Lucid state or Hypnosis).

The Consciousness: The characteristic of all awareness by virtue of which everthing eperienced by a person from a point of view in the chronological continuity of his mental life.

The Subconsious: The levle of mind that programs the brain and is able to overried the conscious mind during an emergency situation. This is where all deep emotions, consciously unkown knowledge, intuition, and unreallized exceptinal strenght reside. This is where the major faculty of hypnosis and any process tath alters the mind are housedl. It is a sparate thinkng process of mind that can distinguish between truth and falsity. Its primary function is to sustain life in the body for continuation of the whole self, within the physical. In this state the Subconscious has no chronological reference of time and space.

I hope this helps. You can acheive this Lucid state without the process of sleep. And be aware of your Lucid State.

Sicerely Frank Mulley A. Ht.

Graupel · October 27, 2003, 07:27:39

When we all go to sleep at night, what exactly is the cause for us loosing conscious awareness and slipping into a pre-programmed subconscious dream? Is it because our mind starts to drift or we naturally have a hard time passively watching the blackness behind the closed eyelids without letting a thought slip through and make the mind wander?

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