dark, light, and you.

[daem0n]

well, this forum changed a lot too, from what i saw reading older posts, spiritual forum evolved, too

as for your monologue, it doesn't change me becouse i already think this way, good to see someone with similiar beliefs

one thing:

how can you distingush when person can deal with NEG infestation ??
what if they can't even feel it (or know about it), but it indeed fuels their fear, most of the problems come from them, not from the neg, neg just spots good meal
the chances that from feeling fear and obsessive thoughts they will start working is nil, but when there is nothing they will just sit where they are, ease the symptoms and the disease will be left untroubled
maybe just leaving them alone in their suffereing will give them chance, in a few years that is, when it becomes unbearable

have you found a solution for that

thx

[Moonburn33]

all things balance out and all people suffer the same total amount of pain in the end.

[daem0n]

taking into account previous and future incarnations, that is

one nagging little thing - weren't we created in the beggining, i mean all things, and if, why there are such differences between us (stone (as a being) was created at the same time as we, why we are humans now and it is just stone
two explanations:
there are new souls created all the time (i don't mean new to earth, they just come from other dimensions, but are at least as old as we), progressing from stones up to humans and to the source

karma - our actions balance out, we use karma to incarnate good and screw up, some pain in future

i don't view arrangements we made between lives as only stimulating growth, but rather as hammurabi's law, it has to balance out

[kalratri]

quote:Originally posted by EnderWiggin

 who no longer sees helping others by slaying their psychic tormenter spirits as the main area to focus on. I have learned that we are the only ones who can help ourselves, and destroying a neg for someone isn't really helping them at all, just making room for another to take its place. It might buy them some time, but ultimately they are the only ones who can help themselves.

That's like saying I won't help someone if I see some attacker stabbing someone to death, because heck, too bad you didn't learn kung fu like I did.  And if I help today, heck another criminal might come and you still won't know how to deal with it, so I'll just leave a neg criminal to attack you.  It's silly logic, actually this is utter foolishness.

quote:


Darkness, like light, is a part of every pe/rson. Both are products of duality, which is, of course, an illusion.

Very good!  You know basic philosophy.  But do you REALLY KNOW philosophy?  So you are telling me that if you encounter a wild 1000 pound tiger in the jungle you will simply say, "hey 1000 pound tiger, you are only an illusion, be on your way oh great teacher"  and the tiger will just disappear?

Again theory is very different than reality, and reality is only an illusion for a master...and all your philosophizing will not alter forces, only practice and supreme inner understanding does that.

quote:
When an evil 'neg' comes at you, tell it you know what it is and why it is there. Honor it by thanking it for what it has taught you, and tell it that you have released it.

Better than that, I'll sing it the Barney song, " I love you, you love  me, we're a happy famileee....with a great big hug and a kiss from me to you ***smoooch***, won't you say you looooove meeeee tooooo." laaa, laaa, i'M AN AIR HEAD...LA, LA, LA...

quote:
All evil stems from fear. Whether it stems from your fear, someone else's fear, or the collective fear of all people, that is where it stems from.

Yes, indeed tell that to the police force...heck if noone had fear, there would be 0 crime, and no police would be necessary. We would have a crime free society, why negs would just disappear...so simple.

quote: However, I know that I cannot help them unless they help themselves. I can only offer new perspectives.

Yes, you can.  You can try helping a helpless child under attack, handicapped, you can help the elderly who have no idea how to meditate and you can help others who don't know what the heck is going on.  If everyone could help themselves, there wouldn't be a problem.  But the fact is not everyone can, so stop living in some la la land.

quote:The real question, I suppose, is why do we as spiritual beings experience psychic attacks from others or from negs, demons, etc? Is it necessary that we have this experience? It seems that not everyone goes through it.

the real question is why are there so many air heads in this world who don't make any practical sense?  Not everyone suffers from a murderous satanic demon,  I ask myself all the time, why not me?  Why do I not get a real neg demon, like Satan in my karmic resume that I can learn from, am I karmicly challenged?




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[Ken]

Enderwiggin,

Some parts I agree with,but most of what you wrote I do not agree with.

Evil spirits can be destroyed and they do not come back. I have seen angels destroy evil spirits on many occasions. Honour your guardians and yourself. Do not honour evil spirits. They deserve no honour since they have no sense of honour.

The only thng I have learned from lifetimes of battles against evil spirits is this: Either you destroy them or they will destroy you.

[Rastus]

Down is where your feet are.

How many people like having their reality challenged?  This forum would be rather thin if all the posts that were wrong were deleted.  There are many more just plain wrong that right.  So does that mean the ones that are wrong have no value?  No.  A child makes many mistakes before they learn what is right.

If you tell someone that most NEG attacks are their own fault, what does that do?  It pushes them into panic and makes the problem worse.  If they believe that the source is outside, then it helps them deal with the problem.  At some point in their path, they realise the true nature of NEG's and once that happens, they learn how to deal with them.

True protection comes from within, just as true healing comes from within.  True help comes in the form of guidance, not neccesarily in lobbing energy about.

This site is about AP/OBE, everything else is given less consideration.  The tail wags the dog.

[daem0n]

hmmmm, it seems that i understood ender differently than you

he's not talking about high level spirits, demons etc, but low level negs that can whisper in your ear or drain you a bit, most people experience only this "attacks" and get to know more when dealing with them, it can cause positive change and understanding
if you just do it for them they won't learn anything except ask for help in similiar situation, when you leave them with it leaving traces for development they could learn how to deal with them, and with themselves

fear = food, no fear no food, why bother

that doesn't include babies, or old sick people who have no means of development, at least this is how i see it

high level are different matter, i think, haven't met any (well, except mahakala, but that's buddhist gaurdian)

[cprince]

Everyday I got insight from here and there, there is a synchronicity happening and I am learning or re-learning something here.

As I am typing now, I am slowly working on the fear that struck me so hard two minutes ago.  I learnt to recognise it, know which part of my body it arose, and the possible causes of it.  But now instead of fighting it and suppress it with anger, I acknowledge it, I observe it, and I question it.  Like you said, I too believe that enemies or nasty things that happened are our true benefactors.  They benefit us more than any worthy teacher would.  You truly learn with direct experience and these nasty experiences are just the opposite side of the coin, you only need to flip it.

I see many people married and divorced over and over again and each time the same problem happens and the lead them through another cycle.  Problem will never cease, as long as the condition that cause it to arise, prevails.

I am not giving advise, I am the least qualified person to do this.  I am sharing what I've learnt over the past months about myself.  The "neg" taught me and sharpened my mindfulness.  I am aware of almost every thoughts that arise in my mind, and I have a choice whether to react to them or discard them. In any case, unless it's a divine inspiration, no thought is worth chasing after.  Everthing boils down to zero.

The "neg" has ingeniously manipulated my emotions to weaken my defense, by implanting a negative thoughts that cause negative emotions or releasing the emotion by direct exertion on the chakras that store all my emotional traces.

If energy is all it wanted, then it is unlimited from the Supreme source.  The more I give, the more I get.  If it ever triggers a karma effect, then it would have to pay back in multiple times.  In any case it requires no action from me.

All forms are illusion. These include emotion, pride and ego.  The real challenge in everyday life is to perceive "reality" in its ultimate reality, that is, emptiness, illusions.  We are not as awake now as we were in dreams.  I just feel that every experience in life is teaching us about this ultimate reality.  As long as we see illusion as reality, we are causing our own sufferings.

The difference between you and me, is the same difference between me and the same me split seconds ago.

Thank you once again.
Choon

[Nay]

quote:
That's like saying I won't help someone if I see some attacker stabbing someone to death, because heck, too bad you didn't learn kung fu like I did.  And if I help today, heck another criminal might come and you still won't know how to deal with it, so I'll just leave a neg criminal to attack you.  It's silly logic, actually this is utter foolishness.

Are you talking about physically on the street you see someone doing this?  If this is the case, those are two different things.  I "think" what Ender was saying was people have to slay their own demons.  Let us do a what if... People come to these forums and ask for help, they recieve it, yet it won't go away.  That is when they need to figure it out, because it is obvious our advice isn't working, due to a lack of information or honesty, OR..they don't want to be done with their demons, they hold on to it.

quote:Very good!  You know basic philosophy.  But do you REALLY KNOW philosophy?  So you are telling me that if you encounter a wild 1000 pound tiger in the jungle you will simply say, "hey 1000 pound tiger, you are only an illusion, be on your way oh great teacher"  and the tiger will just disappear?

Again theory is very different than reality, and reality is only an illusion for a master...and all your philosophizing will not alter forces, only practice and supreme inner understanding does that.

I'll be honest and say that your quote has a bit of sarcasm in it..[] and once again you bring up something (tiger) that really doesn't go with what is being said.  I've had plenty of dreams and projections where I encounter what you would call a tiger, and I embraced it only to have it not show up again.

quote:Better than that, I'll sing it the Barney song, " I love you, you love  me, we're a happy famileee....with a great big hug and a kiss from me to you ***smoooch***, won't you say you looooove meeeee tooooo." laaa, laaa, i'M AN AIR HEAD...LA, LA, LA...

Hehehehe..boy, I use to want to kill Barney, but my kids loved him, and what did Barney teach children?  To love one another and why in the world do people find that so offensive?  I'd sooo much rather have my kids thinking kind thoughts for another than trying to form a ki-ball to kill what they feel in their minds is out to get them.

quote:Yes, indeed tell that to the police force...heck if noone had fear, there would be 0 crime, and no police would be necessary. We would have a crime free society, why negs would just disappear...so simple.

Once again, you remind me of someone whom loves to hold on to that fear.  In my opinion, fear does not equal crime.  People do crimes because they have no morals, or conscience (sic) and are too lazy to get out there and live in society the way it was meant, thus taking from others when they have no right to.

quote:Yes, you can.  You can try helping a helpless child under attack, handicapped, you can help the elderly who have no idea how to meditate and you can help others who don't know what the heck is going on.  If everyone could help themselves, there wouldn't be a problem.  But the fact is not everyone can, so stop living in some la la land.

People choose to live in whatever land they want..some like peace others like conflict..just get in the right line, tis all.[]  People are not as helpless as we would like to think.  I'm not saying to NOT offer your help, but there comes a time when people have to walk their own path....alone.

quote:the real question is why are there so many air heads in this world who don't make any practical sense?

That comment was just rude, plain and simple.  I just love it when people have differences of opinions that don't jive with their own, then they start spouting out how stupid the other people are..very sad indeed.

quote:Not everyone suffers from a murderous satanic demon,  I ask myself all the time, why not me?  Why do I not get a real neg demon, like Satan in my karmic resume that I can learn from, am I karmicly challenged?

That just proves my point that you thrive on the dark side of things.[]
[]

P.S..I just had a heck of a time with all the quotes..LOL..sheesh, hope ya'll can make sense of this post. []

Nay

[Cheyyne]

I've got a link to a classic self-help book around here somewhere... Let me dig it up while I write this post.

William Atkinson, anyone? In this classic e-book entitled "Thought Vibrations," he deals with fear and systematically lays out how it's the root of all negative thought.http://www.xehupatl.com/download_files/freebooks/classics/William%20Atkinson%20-%20Thought%20Vibration.pdf

It's a very interesting read and a great way to get on the road to making you the master
of your fear, instead of letting fear be your master.

I'll let the book speak for itself, to those who care to take a look.

[kalratri]

quote:Originally posted by Nay

quote:
That's like saying I won't help someone if I see some attacker stabbing someone to death, because heck, too bad you didn't learn kung fu like I did.  And if I help today, heck another criminal might come and you still won't know how to deal with it, so I'll just leave a neg criminal to attack you.  It's silly logic, actually this is utter foolishness.

Are you talking about physically on the street you see someone doing this?  If this is the case, those are two different things.  I "think" what Ender was saying was people have to slay their own demons.  Let us do a what if... People come to these forums and ask for help, they recieve it, yet it won't go away.  That is when they need to figure it out, because it is obvious our advice isn't working, due to a lack of information or honesty, OR..they don't want to be done with their demons, they hold on to it.


What do you think a demon is?  What is reality but a projection from yourself?  So someone dying from a neg died of his  inner demon and someone killed by a criminal outside to you is a different situation? There is no inner, no outer.  You "send love waves from the heart chakra" types don't understand what you  are talking about -- you contradict yourself in logic and in the end help hurting others with misinformation or incomplete understanding.  Sorry if this sounds rude, but you really need a reality check.  

I'm dealing with witches who are attempting to kill their own little boy/sons NO MATTER HOW MUCH LOVE THE POOR BOY projects to the mother, so please don't tell me about demons and your ridiculous Barney the purple dinosaur philosophy in dealing with demonic forces and my "inner fear", you're darn right, I have fear for the little boy's life and future and that very fear is what is drives me,and I'm not some self righteous ignorant fool as to not admit it.

quote:Very good!  You know basic philosophy.  But do you REALLY KNOW philosophy?  So you are telling me that if you encounter a wild 1000 pound tiger in the jungle you will simply say, "hey 1000 pound tiger, you are only an illusion, be on your way oh great teacher"  and the tiger will just disappear?

Again theory is very different than reality, and reality is only an illusion for a master...and all your philosophizing will not alter forces, only practice and supreme inner understanding does that.

I'll be honest and say that your quote has a bit of sarcasm in it..[] and once again you bring up something (tiger) that really doesn't go with what is being said.  I've had plenty of dreams and projections where I encounter what you would call a tiger, and I embraced it only to have it not show up again.

quote:Better than that, I'll sing it the Barney song, " I love you, you love  me, we're a happy famileee....with a great big hug and a kiss from me to you ***smoooch***, won't you say you looooove meeeee tooooo." laaa, laaa, i'M AN AIR HEAD...LA, LA, LA...

Hehehehe..boy, I use to want to kill Barney, but my kids loved him, and what did Barney teach children?  To love one another and why in the world do people find that so offensive?  I'd sooo much rather have my kids thinking kind thoughts for another than trying to form a ki-ball to kill what they feel in their minds is out to get them.

quote:Yes, indeed tell that to the police force...heck if noone had fear, there would be 0 crime, and no police would be necessary. We would have a crime free society, why negs would just disappear...so simple.

Once again, you remind me of someone whom loves to hold on to that fear.  In my opinion, fear does not equal crime.  People do crimes because they have no morals, or conscience (sic) and are too lazy to get out there and live in society the way it was meant, thus taking from others when they have no right to.

quote:Yes, you can.  You can try helping a helpless child under attack, handicapped, you can help the elderly who have no idea how to meditate and you can help others who don't know what the heck is going on.  If everyone could help themselves, there wouldn't be a problem.  But the fact is not everyone can, so stop living in some la la land.

People choose to live in whatever land they want..some like peace others like conflict..just get in the right line, tis all.[]  People are not as helpless as we would like to think.  I'm not saying to NOT offer your help, but there comes a time when people have to walk their own path....alone.

quote:the real question is why are there so many air heads in this world who don't make any practical sense?

That comment was just rude, plain and simple.  I just love it when people have differences of opinions that don't jive with their own, then they start spouting out how stupid the other people are..very sad indeed.

quote:Not everyone suffers from a murderous satanic demon,  I ask myself all the time, why not me?  Why do I not get a real neg demon, like Satan in my karmic resume that I can learn from, am I karmicly challenged?

That just proves my point that you thrive on the dark side of things.[]
[]

P.S..I just had a heck of a time with all the quotes..LOL..sheesh, hope ya'll can make sense of this post. []

Nay

[daem0n]

errr, both of you are talking about different situations ...
the love wave works for weaker ones (or aspects of yourself, thoughtforms you created), but there are some that are unconvertable, and need to be terminated
different tools for different uses ...

fear is a bad (bad as unconvienient and troubling) thing, though ... sucks to be motivation but if there is nothing else around ...

[Rob]

Interesting....

quote:and destroying a neg for someone isn't really helping them at all, just making room for another to take its place. It might buy them some time, but ultimately they are the only ones who can help themselves

Like others have already said, what of children? A different situation? But, aren't most adults just big kids in disguise, when it comes right down to it? (um...)

There are only one distinction I make - if the negs is already attached, or if it isn't. Former - banish away. Latter - banish and help.
But while it is in some ways true to say that people can only change themselves, you can definately give them a hand. To reverse the old addage, true you cant force a horse to drink (not easily, anyway []), but you sure as hell can lead it to water.


The tiger analogy - IMO all the airy healing stuff has merit, but it has to be done before the fact. Embracing the ideal of a tiger and letting your fears drop away "might" help it not to show up in the forest at all, but if it does, them loving it (lol) wont help matters (certainly! Oh dear..). Same with negs - once its there, you have to have an effective strategy for dealing with it. Sending it your love and thanks just isn't effective, IMO, which is why people who actually get into this in a big way to help folks, dont use it. They spend *YEARS* learning how to banish, or have faith like a mountain, etc.
I once prayed for an entity that woke me up in the middle of the night, only to get "f*** your god, f*** your god" back telepathically. Neg is still attached, btw...
The only exception is by raising your base consciousness level through spiritual practise that the attachments just drop away, or so I'm told, but thats a long term thing. Raising you consciousness for 2 minutes wont cut it.

Kalratri well maybe your post was rude, and I know I shouldn't say this, but it did make me laugh []. I like people who speak their mind, dont you Nay?!! []

quote:People do crimes because they have no morals, or conscience (sic) and are too lazy to get out there and live in society the way it was meant, thus taking from others when they have no right to.

Not a very loving philosophy!! Another option, they commit crimes because they have no choice, and nobody has tried to help them?

laterz...?

Rob

Love is good, but action is also sometimes necessary.

[Nay]

Hehehehe..I'll try and get this out fast, the cable guy is here and messing up my internet..[]

quote:What do you think a demon is? What is reality but a projection from yourself? So someone dying from a neg died of his inner demon and someone killed by a criminal outside to you is a different situation? There is no inner, no outer. You "send love waves from the heart chakra" types don't understand what you are talking about -- you contradict yourself in logic and in the end help hurting others with misinformation or incomplete understanding. Sorry if this sounds rude, but you really need a reality check. I'm dealing with witches who are attempting to kill their own little boy/sons NO MATTER HOW MUCH LOVE THE POOR BOY projects to the mother, so please don't tell me about demons and your ridiculous Barney the purple dinosaur philosophy in dealing with demonic forces and my "inner fear", you're darn right, I have fear for the little boy's life and future and that very fear is what is drives me,and I'm not some self righteous ignorant fool as to not admit it.

I'm gonna have to break down your post, soooo much easier for me.[]

quote:What do you think a demon is?

In all honesty, I'm not sure, I know it isn't some dude with horns and a red tail that whispers evil things in our ears while asleep or awake..but more of inner demon..aka..our fears, hostilities, and guilts..those are demons to me...and those can whisper in your ear, but you must know that YOU are in control of how much CONTROL they get.[]

quote:What is reality but a projection from yourself?

EXCATLY!  Our reality is but a projection from ourselves.  We provide our reality..in how we think and act..so..see?  We are not too against each other..[]

quote:So someone dying from a neg died of his inner demon and someone killed by a criminal outside to you is a different situation?

I'll be honest I've never heard of someone dying from a neg, and plus that gets us into what the definition of Neg is..aka..what is the definition of "is"..lol..  I may not be understanding what you're saying..(and please understand while I'm typing, I'm also talking to the cable guy..[] can you say, multi-tasking..?) But if someone was killed by a criminal outside of me..yes, that is a different situation.. because that is PHYSICAL..I can run up and smack him.  You might hear alot of talk on these forums of people going into the astral and slaying negs for others, but in all honesty, that is very, very, hard to do, and takes years to get good at. I'll be the first to say, I have not got the skills for that, hence why I stick with the physical side of neg influences.

quote:There is no inner, no outer. You "send love waves from the heart chakra" types don't understand what you are talking about

When you say send out love waves...I've never said that, because frankly, I don't see it that way.  I don't say.."ok, gonna shoot you out some love from my heart chakra"  it comes natural, I don't think in those terms at all.. so I guess I really can't answer this question without failing you...nothing I say will help you understand unless you've felt it the way I've felt it.  And PLEASE, I do not mean that in a "I'm better than you way"  just a matter of different perspective, and your own path.

quote:you contradict yourself in logic and in the end help hurting others with misinformation or incomplete understanding. Sorry if this sounds rude, but you really need a reality check.

I try not to contradict myself, and I don't think I have, but if you think I have then so be it.  Actually, I say what comes to my mind at the time and how I feel at the time..so, yeah, I guess sometimes it might seem like that, but lacking logic?..naaaaaah..you're being silly..you silly girl..[]  I do find your EMOTIONS behind what you say rude, but not your actual words..you are searching and seeking just like the rest of us, so how can I find THAT rude?

quote:I'm dealing with witches who are attempting to kill their own little boy/sons NO MATTER HOW MUCH LOVE THE POOR BOY projects to the mother, so please don't tell me about demons and your ridiculous Barney the purple dinosaur philosophy in dealing with demonic forces and my "inner fear", you're darn right, I have fear for the little boy's life and future and that very fear is what is drives me,and I'm not some self righteous ignorant fool as to not admit it.

This reeks of ego and attitude..are those the same thing?  How bout you just say, you are dealing with crazy people whom are attempting to make an excuse for being a bad parent..that would make ALOT more sense.

OI..Cable guys is gone..Still haven't fixed the problem, but ya know what..that is JUST FINE!! []  He was still a nice guy, and enjoyed his complete honesty in trying to help fix our problem..till the next time..[]

Nay

[Nay]

quote:I like people who speak their mind, dont you Nay?!!

Heheheh..Squeek would have my hide for me saying so little, but....

YEP! []

Hugs to you Rob~ Nay []

[Nay]

quote:Originally posted by Cheyyne

I've got a link to a classic self-help book around here somewhere... Let me dig it up while I write this post.

William Atkinson, anyone? In this classic e-book entitled "Thought Vibrations," he deals with fear and systematically lays out how it's the root of all negative thought.http://www.xehupatl.com/download_files/freebooks/classics/William%20Atkinson%20-%20Thought%20Vibration.pdf

It's a very interesting read and a great way to get on the road to making you the master
of your fear, instead of letting fear be your master.

I'll let the book speak for itself, to those who care to take a look.

I totally forgot to mention your link...so far I like it, not all the way through, just 10 pages or so, but good!  Thanks for that! []

This isn't the atkinson diet guy is it?..[]  Doesn't matter, just wondering.

Nay

[daem0n]

another topic wasted on personal battles, why don't you just PM each other ??

[Nay]

quote:Originally posted by daem0n

another topic wasted on personal battles, why don't you just PM each other ??

Awwwwwwww, I didn't see this as a personal battle..sheesh, I don't know her from Adam..[]  but just a difference of opinion or perception..nothing more, nothing less.[^]  

People can discuss without being personal..as long as they are willing.  I've got plenty friends that see differently, but that doesn't hurt our relationship at all.  The key...respect, listen and learn. Well...ok, within reason..[]

Nay.[]

[daem0n]

well, Nay i know this is a play to you, it's quite entertaining to read some of the posts, but we're causing traffic here [], and good questions are lost (i mean mine, heh []), at least answer if new souls are created or not, or your view on it

distance, heh [8D]
where is ender anyway ??

[Nay]

quote:Originally posted by daem0n

well, Nay i know this is a play to you, it's quite entertaining to read some of the posts, but we're causing traffic here [], and good questions are lost (i mean mine, heh []), at least answer if new souls are created or not, or your view on it

distance, heh [8D]
where is ender anyway ??

I'm not sure where Ender is, but...why would you say such a thing to me, about being a play?  

I do agree that it is entertaining, because alot of people I find, genuinely fantastic, and make my heart smile.  Have I been rude and off topic?  And what traffic?  Heck, I've been on the forums today alot, because of being away, and missed everyone.[] and can't wait for more conversation..  I'm confused as to why this makes me....not genuine?

My opinion on the new souls...do I need to say, this is MY opinion?  I pretty much think everyone was created at the same time, but got "pushed out of the nest, if you will, at different times"  Maybe some souls wanted to stick around on the...what shall we call it?..the "other side" and enjoy that, before coming to this hell on earth.  Does that help, and make it ok for me to post?

Nay

EDIT: OOPS..typed my name twice..[:O]

[daem0n]

hey, i'm not judging you, chill out
i'm not some control freak but we drifted off at some point, as usual []

[cprince]

quote:Originally posted by Nay
I'll be honest I've never heard of someone dying from a neg,

Wowwww, there are plenty of cases.  Neg don't take a knife from your kitchen and stab right through your heart.  They can lead to you death, by depression, sickness by weakening the aura, accident by lack of concentration or hallucination, in trance or in extreme anger that you throw your kids out of the window.  There are just so many example.

I knew of one incident when a broken hearted lady eventually took the life of a man with hex after torturing him for months and making him literally a mad man.

We need to get rid of negs, that is definite.  But there many ways of getting rid of neg.  While Sun Tzu said that the best defense is offense, he also said that the best battle won is one without the fight.

Negs are useful in two ways.  Firstly, they bring a message telling us where we were most vulnerable and weak.  Secondly, by taking care of these weakness we not only remove the negs but also became a better person.

Well, don't be a neg by letting this beautiful post ends so ugly.

[Nay]

quote:Wowwww, there are plenty of cases. Neg don't take a knife from your kitchen and stab right through your heart. They can lead to you death, by depression, sickness by weakening the aura, accident by lack of concentration or hallucination, in trance or in extreme anger that you throw your kids out of the window. There are just so many example.

How can you say this for sure?  How do you know that all these things are negs, and not just the doings of their own soul/being?  I believe people do not take enough responsibility in their own doings but look for other reasons or excuses because they can't face that just PERHAPS, they made their own reality.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a Neg that made my stepmother kill herself in my room..it was all her doing.  It was meant to happen that way, she incarnated to teach and learn lessons, all the while growing.  I admit it took me some years to understand the why's about it, but once I got past my anger, I really learned some good lessons and grew as well.[]

My two cents.

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EDIT - I am editing this post because I was being a little grump earlier. Silly me! I was in an unspeakably foul mood aka "bit stinky" [xx(][]

quote:How can you say this for sure? How do you know that all these things are negs, and not just the doings of their own soul/being? I believe people do not take enough responsibility in their own doings but look for other reasons or excuses because they can't face that just PERHAPS, they made their own reality.

We know these things from experience, both inner and outer, by using logic and by keeping our eyes open.
Cases are numerous of possession leading to death, and not just of the possessed - they, perhaps unfortauntely for them, often survive. Eyes open! You hear obvious cases in the news occasionally (and RB could tell the story of when he was possessed, and nearly ended up dead along with his son). But these are just the most extreme cases, like cprince mentioned, its more likely to occur through ongoing influence and corruption.

quote:It was meant to happen that way

IMO, if everything is supposed to happen, there there is no "not supposed to happen". A condensation of this argument is therefore - everything IS, as was the creators intent.

Rob

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Well, I guess this is why everyone has their own opinion..[]

I don't necessarily think everything is written in stone, but there are certain trials that I think happened because while I was still on the "otherside" I wrote it out that way. I wanted to learn certain things while in this incarnation, and my stepmother was, in my opinion one of them.

And yes, I know there are extreme cases with Negs, but I'm thinking half of when people keep saying are negs, is only within themselves.

P.S. I'm in a stinky mood too, but could you tell?..[] []

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