i want to die...Really!

[Louiscy]

ok, so as u saw in the topic, i kinda wanna die...i mean, im NOT like 'oh, my life sux, i just wanna kill myself and get it over with...' im more like 'omg, this is sooo fricken lame! i got a body that is soo fragile, too many responsibilities, to much limitation, and this is a waste of time....im sure i learned all i need to know, so im ready to die now!!! im done with my life, sumone else can have it now!!'
is there sumthin wrong with this, or do u agree???

No I don't agree with that. How do you know you know everything you need to know? I'm against taking your own life what ever the reason is. And I think one of the most important lessons in life is to accept life and live it. If you end your life now you will come back and maybe go though the same sh*t untill you learn. So NO. You haven't learned your lesson yet

[Nightwolf]

I know how you feel I feel the same way... once I die it will be like freedom but untill then I wont be looking for it I shall just accept it when it comes. [B)]

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Why do you say you have learned all you need to learn? I think if there was nothing left for you to do here, you would no longer be here. For me, you simply writing this topic indicates that you have lessons to learn. I'm as authoritive on the subject as everybody else (meaning i don't know or claim to know the truth), but this is my personal opinion as of the moment.

I know how you feel sometimes. It's like this flesh is a prison, and my spirit is bursting to be set free, but then i realise it's not like that. I can be free. In fact, i am free, i just don't know it yet. That's why i want to astral project. When i get out i can learn about things beyond my normal comprehension. I can soar in the sky and realise my freedom. The physical body is not a prison but a vehicle; a vessel to allow us to realise these things, and appreciate existence.

As far as i'm concerned, we are here to learn lessons, and i don't see dying as being one of them. I hardly see that we are here to learn to kill ourselves. There would be no point in physical life in the first place if this were so.  When our time comes, death will take us, until then, we know there are things still to experience.

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by SmileySpirit14

ok, so as u saw in the topic, i kinda wanna die...i mean, im NOT like 'oh, my life sux, i just wanna kill myself and get it over with...' im more like 'omg, this is sooo fricken lame! i got a body that is soo fragile, too many responsibilities, to much limitation, and this is a waste of time....im sure i learned all i need to know, so im ready to die now!!! im done with my life, sumone else can have it now!!'
is there sumthin wrong with this, or do u agree???

Smiley,

What can I say... but you are so much loved and we don't want you coming back as a message!

Always look on the light side of life.
[whistling]

If life seems jolly rotten,
There's something you've forgotten,
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps,
Don't be silly chumps.
Just purse your lips and whistle. That's the thing.
And...

Always look on the bright side of life.
[whistling]

S

P.S I have sent you a private eMail. Check it out please.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Death is only an illusion.

I have tried to point you in directions that have helped me. Many people on this board have. What have you done with the advice given to you?

[eeb]

The limitations that you have only exist in your mind. The only limitations that you have you choose to have. For me it´s a matter of interpretation.

That your body is fragile YOU can change by changing your diet, your mentality and your exercise pattern.

The responsibilities that you have YOU choose them. It´s a good opportunity to learn to deal with responsabilities, and show you´re able to carry them.

Ofcourse life is NEVER a waste of time.

You should be gratefull for the chance and opportunity that was given to you to walk on this earth and try to make the most of it. maybe instead of you there could have been zillions of others desiring your place on earth now.

I think you´re reacting as a spoiled child.

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by SmileySpirit14

ok, so as u saw in the topic, i kinda wanna die...i mean, im NOT like 'oh, my life sux, i just wanna kill myself and get it over with...' im more like 'omg, this is sooo fricken lame! i got a body that is soo fragile, too many responsibilities, to much limitation, and this is a waste of time....im sure i learned all i need to know, so im ready to die now!!! im done with my life, sumone else can have it now!!'
is there sumthin wrong with this, or do u agree???

Hehe, actually I've thought that for 21 years UNTIL last year when I got into a weird state of 'enlightement'. That just changed it all and now while I'm waiting eagerly to die I still want to examine this world and the possibilities here.

This world has got so many possibilites that most fail to notice. Very very efficient.

[Lighthouse]

We all CHOOSE to incarnate into these bodies to learn the lessons of the body.  We each have an individual contribution that only we (each of us) independently and individually can and must do in order to fulfill our purpose in this incarnation.  I say must because it is my belief that if we do not fulfill our purpose, we need to reincarnate again and again until we get it right.   Unfortunately, we can only do our earthly work when we are in our physical bodies.  Our exact perceived limitations are the exact framework we need to accomplish this work.

here's an analogy: I have a BFA in Interior Design which means that I am capable of taking an existing structure and knocking down walls, building upon, changing the entire look, feel, and purpose of a building to suit the current requirements for that site.  I am not an architect. I find that using the limitations of an existing structure allow me to be much more creative than if I were trying to design a building from scratch (I've tried... they're BORING and I have great admiration for architects who can design completely interesting buildings.)  The results using an existing structure for me are much more interesting and creative than they would be if I were given a clean slate.  

In the same way I prefer to augment an existing, somewhat limiting, structure to create something greater for the new purpose it will serve; We have the same capacity for creativity using our perceived limitations here on earth, in these bodies.  Our bodies and limitations are the exact conditions we need to express our true creative nature.  You have everything within you to express your true nature and only YOU know what that is.  Once you understand this, you will see your body as a fleeting gift which will provide you with the tools to experience the GRANDEST expression of YOU.

Kerri

[beavis]

eeb: The limitations that you have only exist in your mind. The only limitations that you have you choose to have. For me it´s a matter of interpretation.

You can ignore the limitations, but they are still there. Prove me wrong by flapping your arms and flying over here.

That your body is fragile YOU can change by changing your diet, your mentality and your exercise pattern.

The responsibilities that you have YOU choose them. It´s a good opportunity to learn to deal with responsabilities, and show you´re able to carry them.

I think thats the kind of crap SmileySpirit14 doesnt want to do. I hate that stuff too.


SmileySpirit14, are you asking us for permission? If you want to be somewhere other than this physical place, leave. If you can, come back and tell us what you saw. I hear a grenade in the mouth works well.

[Nay]

*Smacks Beavis upside the head*

Stop saying stuff like that! [!]  I know it's your sense of humor, but sheesh man..

*Smacks him again on the way out*  []

~Nay

[beavis]

It is not my sense of humor. I meant what I said. Any place which coerces you not to leave becomes a prison.

[shaman]

Hey Smiling Spirit,

I've not been active on astralpulse a lot these weeks, only posted a couple of messages and when I came to check what you were posting this morning I find you want to die! ?

Of course there is something wrong with what you said. We always learned more and more, there is always something to enjoy in life. People don't take their life for philosophical reasons but for emontional reasons. Many people suffer on this planet, it is part of the learning. Who said that dying will be better? WHo knows what happened when someone commits suicide. That person might be re-incarnated and has to re-live all kind of experiences, maybe even worst than in the previous life. I know you are a strong person. Take the bull by the horn, revolte against what is frustrating you, revolte in a gentle manner without harming anyone or yourself. You don't have to die at all. Just by knowing that one day, probably when we'll be much older, we'll die all by ourselves naturally, then there is no reason to want to die now. I might say, OK, then just be patient. And any how life might a have many nice surprises for you, you are still so young. By killing one self, a person really hurt all his/her friends and family more than anything else. This is not a joke, it is serious matter to think about. People want to die because they cannot enjoy life the way they want. Some one might be in love with someone else and commits suicide because this someone else does not love him/her. That's the reason why people commit suicide, not that it is justified, but people who want to commit suicide it is because they need affection, love, they need a friend, they need someone to be with them, someone to love and someone who loves them, someone to share their life with, to share their talks, ideas, meals, ... The solution to that is not just to kill oneself, but to go and get to know people untill you find someone who might be that one person... Someone who wants to die is someone who has lost everything, except his/her reason, so that person need to find "everything" back.Please,  Be reasonable, you know what I am talking about.

[beavis]

A prison with food from $20/plate restaurants, 500 channel tv, etc is still a prison. There are always things you cant do there. Who are we to force somebody to stay if they like something on the outside better? Do they not have the right to eat worms if they think it tastes better?

[eeb]

quote:I think thats the kind of crap SmileySpirit14 doesnt want to do. I hate that stuff too.

And I think people who say this like to be the victim. People who don´t want to see things how they really are. I think they are people without a backbone, and maybe that´s what they have to learn here?

I have respect for the father who takes his responsability and goes to work from monday to friday, getting up early every morning, to earn money for his family. Mostly work in which they deal with people they hate, and doing work that´s boring.

Maybe that´s an old-fashioned idea, but that´s what I think.

And about the prison? Maybe some people are just not ready to deal with and handle all the possibilities that exist outside of it..

[Kazbadan]

I´m sorry smyley but i will not give you authorization to die! No one in the forum wil let you do that, so forget about that idea.

There is a very strong logical circuit that is a goood counter argument about that idea ("i am ready to die")
you will only be able to die when you reach what is called (depending on religion) Nirvana, Illumination, Fusion with God. Now it is the best part: if you reach that ready-to-die state, you will be some kind of Jesus or Buda, or the like; your spirit will be so developed that you will be someone ready to help the others, and free their spirits. If so, you will not want to die, because you will want to be alive, not because you are afraid of death, but because you wanna help.

Similar happens with budhists. They believe that only after stopping with reeicarnation cycle you will be free. But they dont want to that until every single being is set free. They will want to live every lifes and will want to reeicarnate (it is a kind of sacrifice for them, to reeicarnate) in order to free other souls.

So, i think you are not ready to die and you cannot kill yourself. If you  are alive it is for some reason. Dont kill your self. That´s "cheating".

Dont dare to do that. All the obers in the forum will chase you (in the astral) for giving you a lesson[] if you commit suicide!!

Now, in a more serious way, and about that conversation about "prison": our mind will always become prisioner of itself until reach the true vision about the nature of reality and, for more stranger that you think it can be, such thing will only be realised in your mind and spirit, not by AP or OBE.

[Nick]

This is kind of a heavy topic for Astral Chat so it now resides in the Spiritual Development forum.

What can I add, life is not easy. It is painful at times, and there exists human suffering. However, try and learn that we are interconnected. Especially try to help others as you live each day. That is what is both difficult and most important. Think about the divine that exists within you. My two cents.

Very best,

[beavis]

eeb: Mostly work in which they deal with people they hate, and doing work that´s boring.

You make it sound so great to be here!

And about the prison? Maybe some people are just not ready to deal with and handle all the possibilities that exist outside of it..

I didnt say anybody must leave. I said dont force others to stay against their will.


Kazbadan: I´m sorry smyley but i will not give you authorization to die! No one in the forum wil let you do that...
All the obers in the forum will chase you (in the astral) for giving you a lesson if you commit suicide!!

Speak for yourself. I said the opposite on the last page.

That quote demonstrates how evil human society is. They not only threaten you (with lessons, hell, reincarnation as a lower life form, etc) but they make threats from other people against you too, including people who disagree with them.

[SmileySpirit14]

gosh, i didnt expect this many replies.....i got a ton of private messages....i didnt think it was that big a deal. everyone thinks im down and sad and stuff....im not, im very fine. its just im tierd of living. its boring and evil and cruel and i cant change that. so i dont want anything to do with it. im not going to kill myself, at least i havent considered it yet. i dont want your pity and i dont want u to think im feeling sorry for myself. im not a little attention-craving weak b*tch. i just feel like im SSSOOO done with this living crap and i wanna move on. i didnt throw yalls advice out the window.....ok, i did some, but only cuz im tired of the same stuff OVER AND OVER!!! its ALWAYS, oh, dont feel sorry for yourself, put up with it!' or 'get up and dont let others pull u down!' i HATE when ppl say that kind of stuff! i just want to know what to think of me cuz i dont even have a clue to who i really am and if im dead and roaming around as i please i can most likely find out. im very sure ive learned enough, and even if i havent, who says i still cant?

[Yerzak06]

Life boring? Ha. Thats an excuse from someone who isn't trying. Unless you are like 80 years old and have done absolutely everything one could expect in life, you havent even started to live. Just cause the "astral" seems to be a better place doesnt mean it is. What common good can you do in the astral, except for selfish desires. People arent trying to tinkle you off, be happy that people care enough to say something. You can never learn all you can learn and do all you can do. You will die eventually, so why rush it. I hope you can find some sort of joy in life.

[SmileySpirit14]

What common good can you do in the astral, except for selfish desires.  


i didnt quite get this....are you saying im being selfish?

[Yerzak06]

Absolutely, all you are doing is thinking about YOUR life and that YOU'RE fed up with it, and how YOU want to die. For just one minute think about other people's lives it would affect if you were gone.

[SmileySpirit14]

well i have thought about it a lot. i mean A LOT...u shouldnt tell me to think how it would affect others b-cuz u have no clue about my life. plus, i wouldnt affect you or anyone else on this site,i think ur just trying to help, or just b-cuz the thought of suicide sickens you, i dunno. i just wanted suggestions on how i should base my final decision, but i shouldve seen this coming.....why did i open my big mouth.....

[Yerzak06]

Well one of my dear friends killed himself this year and the first thing i realised was he just gave us his pain in dieing. Now i realise your talking about something totaly different than depression, but unless you have zero friends or family, which i doubt, someone is going to feel bad about it. I know what its like to see suicide happen personally. Dont feel bad about telling us all this, you wanted an answer and you got one, aside from beavis. We cant force your decisions but we can "advise". Its totally up to you want you want to do with your life. Just think about this though, despite your beliefs you have to admit that you didnt give yourself life, some god or the universe or monkeys for that matter gave you a life to live, and i personally believe that you should live it until it is taken away from you. Here is an example that i want to use, lets say someone lets you borrow their porsche. You would try and enjoy it as long as you can wouldn't you? I would drive it until it was taken away from me. The same thing goes with life. Just some food for though. The choice is yours ...

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:Originally posted by SmileySpirit14

.....why did i open my big mouth.....

Because you still have a lot to learn. LOL []

If you want to know who you are then you must look within. You won't find yourself on the outside. []

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

quote:Originally posted by SmileySpirit14

.....why did i open my big mouth.....

Because you still have a lot to learn. LOL []

If you want to know who you are then you must look within. You won't find yourself on the outside. []

Just before checking this thread this afternoon I was thinking of something at the other end of the spectrum to fallnangel77's thought.

Maybe SmileySpirit14 has brought out something in ourselves about what we may need to learn! I can certainly apply this to myself.

Thanks Smiley,


S []

P.S. I wonder who the teacher is here?