same-sex alchemy

[realism]

As far as i know, same sex Alchemy is not possible. In relation to your post, and to clarifyTantra and alchemy are two different things. Tantric exercises are used in alchemy, which is the process of raising ones Kundalini, and cleansing the energies once and for all. Now according to many teachings, although mostly gnostic, the two different sexes are needed to complete this act, for too many and esoteric reasons to list here. Although i can say, that an attempt to raise the kundalini with a partner of the same sex, results in the creeation of what is called the kundabuffer, or "demon tail". This is an act of black magic, and severely inhibits any spiritual work. Sorry to rain on your parade. [V] But hey, you dont have to take my word for it.. Try asking about it in the astral.
Kind Regards.

[Kodemaster]

Hello Eomania,

I don't know much about alchemy or tantra; however, I have a feeling that if the feeling between the two people is mutual, then it should work.

Take care,

[WalkerInTheWoods]

What is this alchemy you speak of? I am familar with Taoist sexual practices of working with sexual energy, but I am not certain about this sexual alchemy. Can you share?

[Fyrivy]

As you I have read many articles about how such things as same sex being a barrier but from my experience that is untrue. From such things the best outcomes happen when you have a connection with the person regardless of gender. It actually shocked me when people stated same sex alchemy didn't work, obvious these people have never participated in such an event or it just didn't work for them with that certain purpose. But since I have seen results I would say it doesn't matter what sex.

[DjM]

Sex was never intended for sense-gratification.  Although, it's easy to see that we have it all wrong in this world.  When one progresses on the spiritual path, one is no longer "held back" by the LOWER urges that the sex act craves.

If one were to "pie-chart" their own attention span (i.e. word, thoughts, deeds) to the sex act, one would probably find that quite a large slice of one's life is devoted to something that is, in fact, fleeting.  FYI: the entire reproductive scheme will change in the future...I'll leave the details up to the serious students.

NOW, how could one spend that big slice of the pie that says, "SEX?"  How would your own life have been different thus far, had you not been so dedicated to the fleeting sex act?  This is a good question for all of us.

Sex can actually lead to insanity.

Pertaining to same sex applications...this would be explicitly for sense-gratification, as there is obviously no procreation going on here from the human evolution standpoint.

The one who progresses on the the spiritual path is not a sense- seeker; one who looks for self-gratification; one who looks to benefit one's self. [}:)] The one who progresses on the spiritual path is one who looks (and understands) toward the evolution of mankind and positions one's self to contribute positively. []

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:Originally posted by DjM

Sex can actually lead to insanity.

How so? Unless you are referring to one that becomes so obsessed with it that they loose all sense and interest in other things, I do not understand what you are referring to. Of coarse this is true of all obsessions, and it is the obsession and not the act that is harmful.

Sex, like all things, is what you make of it. Sex can be very helpful to your health, both physical, emotional, and relationship wise. If one sees sex merely as getting off and as a temporary physical high, then it is not going to be very productive. But sex can be so much more. Sexual energy is very powerful and if cultivated and stored instead of expelled can be used for your own health. It can be used to bring two people closer together, for it is an intimate act that when the sexual energy is shared can increase the bond. The Western view of sex is really quite sad compared to what its potential is.

[Tab]

The western view of EVERYTHING is sad

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

quote:Originally posted by DjM

Sex can actually lead to insanity.

How so? Unless you are referring to one that becomes so obsessed with it that they loose all sense and interest in other things, I do not understand what you are referring to. Of coarse this is true of all obsessions, and it is the obsession and not the act that is harmful.

Sex, like all things, is what you make of it. Sex can be very helpful to your health, both physical, emotional, and relationship wise. If one sees sex merely as getting off and as a temporary physical high, then it is not going to be very productive. But sex can be so much more. Sexual energy is very powerful and if cultivated and stored instead of expelled can be used for your own health. It can be used to bring two people closer together, for it is an intimate act that when the sexual energy is shared can increase the bond. The Western view of sex is really quite sad compared to what its potential is.

It is obvious that you have not come to an understanding of what sex is intended for.  Please bare in mind- this is the world of effects.  In order to understand the world of effects, we must study the world of causes.  The details are up to you.

(I am not condemning; I am simply stating.)

FYI: there is a tradeoff of energies when they are expended for sensual gratification.  One approaches these matters as one moves upward.

Pleasure is a perspective.  I do not subscribe to your point of view.  However, I respect your opinion and wish you well.

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by Tab

The western view of EVERYTHING is sad

Everything from the West is as essential as everything from the East.  The truth is: The West would be sad without the East and verse visa. []

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:Originally posted by DjM


It is obvious that you have not come to an understanding of what sex is intended for.

What is sex intended for?

quote:Originally posted by DjM


FYI: there is a tradeoff of energies when they are expended for sensual gratification.  One approaches these matters as one moves upward.

Could you elaborate? I am not suggesting expending any energy but instead retaining it, transforming it, and using it for your own benefit such as to give you more energy and used for your own health. It can also be shared if you so choose.

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by DjM


It is obvious that you have not come to an understanding of what sex is intended for.

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77
What is sex intended for?

Sex is intended for procreation, of course.

quote:Originally posted by DjM


FYI: there is a tradeoff of energies when they are expended for sensual gratification.  One approaches these matters as one moves upward.

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77
Could you elaborate? I am not suggesting expending any energy but instead retaining it, transforming it, and using it for your own benefit such as to give you more energy and used for your own health. It can also be shared if you so choose.

Surely!  For example, the time one spends thinking about sex (i.e. making it better and better and better...which is only perspective, of course) could be used toward more constructive uses (your call).  How would you own concentration be improved, if you did not think about sex to the degree that you imply?  Now, translate the time one spends involved in that activity itself...

If one were to pie-chart one's thoughts and activities, what percentage would be depicted by sex?  What's the trade-off?

If one has a weakness for sex, one is limited by this weakness to that degree.  If someone else wanted to "set you up," all they have to do is put sex in your way.

FYI: I was pointing to a relationship between the abstention of the sex act (thought and deed) and the inner development of the human being.  There is a direct relationship that most people would not like to know about.  The details are up to you.

[eomaia]

Has anyone here ever practiced tantra or other spiritual sex techniques within the confines of a homosexual relationship?

DjM, do you have personal experience that same-sex intercourse is always only for sensual gratification?  Should a sterile human never have sex?

Thank you all for everything.

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by eomaia

DjM, do you have personal experience that same-sex intercourse is always only for sensual gratification?  Should a sterile human never have sex?

Thank you all for everything.

If one can not use sex for procreation (i.e. same sex), one can only have sense gratification in mind.  Why else would one indulge in the act for any combination?

A human should do as they choose, but choose wisely.  This is true for everything...

[WalkerInTheWoods]

DjM, I agree with you on many of your points. I do not agree that sex is only for procreation, but we all have our own opinions. Thank you for clarifying.

quote:Has anyone here ever practiced tantra or other spiritual sex techniques within the confines of a homosexual relationship?

No, I do not engage in same sex sexual acts. But it should not make much difference, tantra/taoist/ect practices will still work. I am sure you can find books for same sex practices.

By the way, my posts have referred to the Taoist sexual practices of transforming sexual energy and storing it for your health. It also shows the spiritual side of sex, which most seem to flat out reject and find foolish, but having personally experienced can say that sex can be spiritual and is SO much more when evolved to such levels.

[eomaia]

Aloha, astral pulse forum! This is my first post.

A lot of sources I have found in my studies have indicated that for alchemy or tantra [the same thing as I understand it] to work properly it must be performed between members of opposite sexes.  There are far more that say it works for homosexual unitees when it is referred to as tantra, while virtually none that call it alchemy present the same-sex possibility, and many even claim it is impossible.

Any direct experiences or thoughts on the subject would be illuminating.  Things to consider for a good discussion might be, but are certainly not limited to: magnetism of opposite poles, the male-female within each of us, the role culture plays in documenting ancient and modern wisdom, lust as motivator of most sexual attraction, history of sexual magic and monasticism. . . endless.

I personally HOPE that two members of the same sex can forge a divine unity, as this is how my own sexual energy flows, but since I have no knowledge of the inner aspects, I can hardly speculate.

Thank you for everything.