Vehram Energy System Offers Validation for OOBE's

[Panthau]

Its interesting that you claim to know something about Quantum physics yet you don't what I'm talking about.

Just know that you know nothing.

you know, if someone hates something or is concentrating his energy with fervency on something,
than its most because this person reflects on that something. so why not leave him alone, or try taking
a look in the mirror and see what makes you so angry about it.

[T.L.]

"I sincerely hope I would not have been dismissively hammered like this."

Im not sure if you just mean lighten hammering him or anything I said. I wasn't being dismissive about Vessen. I just stated that I've done a lot of experimenting out and around my body, also while still in coincidence moving my arms/legs around etc.. and many times the points where he demonstrates the energy to exist I could have came into contact with many times. I also stated that now let's say a projector wanted to test out any of vessers ideas like searching for these balls of energy, just the mere subconscious belief that they may exist will cause someone to encounter them while out... just out of the belief or subconscious belief they might exist. In this case we wouldn't be able to ascertain if the person was subject to this kind of subconscious creation. We wouldn't know if the balls of energy existed prior to this persons belief or not. So to me it just seems just trying to verify it might subconsciously cement in the mind of the projector that such balls of energy do exist, hence they encounter them.

[VessenHopkins]

I actually enjoy open honest questions as those presented by T.L.  They are thought out, presented with a real sense of curiosity, and I appreciate the opportunity to address these. 

It is the scientific principles behind this particular phenomenon which preclude it from being a hallucination, or even a self-generated anomally.  The fallacy in logic with respect to the "self-generated" argument is that you have to put the self-generated phenomenon in one of two categories: real manifestation, or purely imagination.

If it were a "real" phenomenon then you are dealing with a real source of energy and this only confirms consciousness ability to utilize mind over matter, but also to extend beyond the physical body to perceive this "real" phenomenon.  In this same vein, the ethereal discharge would still be a real phenomenon and so would the ethereal body.

So, we would actually prove the very aspects of quantum consciousness that stipulate consciousness as a separate entity from the physical.  In fact, this is the very aspect of the Orch-Or model of consciousness (presented by Dr. Hammeroff and colleagues) that is hinted at by the suggestion of a "non-localized" process, but which requires scientific demonstration of the separation of conscious awareness from the physical (brain).  Once consciousness is able to be defined within an alternate system, 3-dimensionally removed from the physical space-time of the brain (such as the ethereal body), we have defined consciousness as a separate entity.

However, to self-generate an imaginary phenomenon, you would have to have previous awareness of the specific principles responsible for this phenomenon in order for it to reflect the established laws governing radiant energy, the specific vibratory characteristic, as well as the ethereal discharge.  If you miss any of these then your experience would be quite different.  Just as in a hallucinatory derived event, you would not be able to do so accross a wide spectrum of so many principles.  It is illogical to assume that we would get the right configuration and locations, as well as specified behaviors.

The reason hallucination cannot be responsible, as already stated, is because of the successive series of principles that must be in play to generate the phenomenon.  Think about an electric socket.  Anyone who sticks their finger in it gets shocked.  Is this a self-generated event? Obviously not.

Is it imaginary? One would argue that the entire laws of electrodynamics must be discarded because we could "imagine" such an event.  Scientifically, we rule these out because the phenomeon is governed by established laws that are "non-subjective," and independently measurable.  Anyone who sticks their finger in the socket gets shocked whether they think they will or not.

The Vehram System should be looked at in similar fashion.

[T.L.]

"The reason hallucination cannot be responsible, as already stated, is because of the successive series of principles that must be in play to generate the phenomenon.  Think about an electric socket.  Anyone who sticks their finger in it gets shocked.  Is this a self-generated event? Obviously not.

Is it imaginary? One would argue that the entire laws of electrodynamics must be discarded because we could "imagine" such an event.  Scientifically, we rule these out because the phenomeon is governed by established laws that are "non-subjective," and independently measurable.  Anyone who sticks their finger in the socket gets shocked whether they think they will or not."

I understand what you are saying vessen but the mere fact you are telling people they will get shocked by touching these energy/electrical balls obviously they will. You are stating that since they do get shocked without knowing before what will happen is some proof that it wasn't self generated. Although in self generated things such as dreams a dreamer might not know what will happen next, yet it is created by his own mind. One point that can be made is if you have a lucid dream you are in your house okay, then you take a fork in your dream and stick it into the outlet... what will happen? For some nothing, for about the other 50 percent the strong belief they will get shocked will come into play and even though this event is not real they do feel and perceive they are being shocked. So let's say a person which has no knowledge about what will happen when they touch the balls [sounds wrong] does, the mere fact that they look [as portrayed in your youtube video] like balls of freestanding electricity will be enough to induce a subconscious believe that they will be shocked... hence being shocked.

[VessenHopkins]

Please be careful to not confuse the original point being made which was simply that the Vehram Array, itself, exhibits (is governed by) principles that are non-subjective.  This is not the same as saying a person's experience is non-subjective.  However, when the experience pertains to this array, the experience then becomes a non-subjective event IF it reflects the pre-defined phenomenon in a case where the individual did not possess previous knowledge.

The principles of the Vehram Array are stated and defined, but were already stated in physics before this discovery was ever made.  These principles are identifiable when a person has an interaction with this array.  It matters not their previous awareness, the onset of the vibrational surge still occurs.  The radiant energy, and scientific principles pertaining to ambient power sources, is still exhibited.  And should one be so curious as to make direct contact with the inner source, another universal reaction occurs - the jolt.  The direct result of this jolt is a strong influx of the vibrational surge into the ethereal body.  So, you have a series of several specific cause and effect events, each one of which occurs only because of specific scientific principles in play.  These are based on laws closely associated with thermodynamics, but would appear to be of a non-electrical nature (ethereal based manifestation), but in either case they are pre-defined and thereby, non-subjective.

The idea that a specific phenomenon could be universally experienced by people who have no previous knowledge is interesting.  But when you have so many separate principles associated with the same phenomeon that must work in tandom to create the core experience, you now have a barometer for measuring the validity of that single event and the related experience, as well.  You cannot, however, then compare that to a dream in which nothing is predefined.  You remove the controls from the experiment and begin to hypothesize random events and possibilities instead of measuring against a set of pre-defined criteria.

Obviously it helps when the person has no previous knowledge, but once confirmation has occurred in any case where previous knowledge was not involved, this no longer matters either, in terms of sharing this information.  Hiding this information would only prevent others from learning about it and that is why I chose to go public with this very important breakthrough.

Please carefully read the site at www.vehram.com where this has been thoroughly explained, including the relationship to quantum consciousness and how leading neuro-scientific research is already coming to the basic conclusion that consciousness is an entity outside the time-space continuum (suggesting the need for an "interface" with the physical).  The argument at the heart of my theory is that conscoiusness can interface with the physical, ethereal, as well as systems completely removed from this time-space - thereby drawing the conclusion that if this is the case, then consciousness it truly dependent on none of these systems for its own existence.  Look specifically under the links proving life after death, quantum physics, and on my blog as well.  I have a full article dedicated to this very topic at http://www.vehram.com/blog1/?p=57