What is really real?

[Stookie]

If everything is consciousness... and consciousness is real...
everything (in whatever form it takes) = real. 

Yes and no. Or should I say "yin and yang"? Everything physical is absolutely real if you're perceiving it from the physical or close-to-physical. If your awareness is centered further away from the physical (bad phrasing again), the objective reality of the physical changes - it's still real, but more in a situational kind of way. Things that were "real" can become symbolism or have no reality to them at all. Nostalgia crashes. Or things you didn't recognize become very important or "real".

Shift awareness into pure consciousness (no description available), and consciousness becomes all that exists. The most complicated thing you can imagine becomes silence. Or emptiness. Everything and nothing. Yin and Yang.

[Xanth]

I really should have put a "?" at the end of my post... cause it was more a question than a statement.  LoL

[Fourthdimension]

That sounds cool stookie. Is this the same as just emptying your thoughts and mediationg without thinking at all just thinking about nothing. is this the same as what you were describing when you said "becomes silence".

thanks stookie thanks xanth n everyone else

[thirdeye26]

Your question is very interesting. Someone told me that things will happen to me only if I believe. So what if I don't believe in anything? Does this mean that nothing will happen to me? but.. ah.. something is always happening right? For instance, if I see UFO's that means I see them because I believe in them? I won't see them if I don't believe in them. The existence of UFOs then depends on my belief in them. Does this mean that they are not real if I don't believe in them? I seem to be going around in circles; but this question of what is real and what isn't is really mind boggling.

[Fourthdimension]

I dont know if what am about to write is right am just speaking from my own personal oppinion and belief

I mean somethings inevitably happen to us. I mean I am born (no matter how much i try to stop my self been  pushed out am gonna ome out either way so i guess i cant prevent that.

I  die...I cant prevent that i mean even if i lived my life in a bubble where nothing could hurt me i d still die of old age.

I see a cat sittin next to a dog ...no matter how much i believe that the dog is gonna transfigure permantly into the shape of the cat which is sitting next to me. it will never happen.

I could stair at my wall and belive i have a million pound in my pocket but when i put my hand in my pocket i will still only have bass buttons....oh and sweets haha

so no reality does not depend on belive instead belive depends on reality.

reality is the interpretation of the things around you and happening .

belief is the anaylis of the reality(the things happening around you)

so what am trying to say is. say you see a bright light in the sky moving in circles for an hour.
no matter what you belief its still gonna be there cause it chooses to be there

i can then decide to believe it is a ufo or i can decide to belive it a lost aeroplane flying in circles or mabye an insane man experiencing what it feels like to fly in circles cause he is crazy and amuses himself with the inside joke that he is a fu**ing crazy cu*t haha

but either way that plane is still gonna be there.
so to be more specific i do not belive that the sighting of a ufo depends on whether you belive in them or not rather it depends on the data percieved from your sense and interpretted in to your reality is then anaylsised to become part of your believe and in what method you preform your anaylsis,

i mean no body can take choice away instead only try to alter anothers choice via persuasion or forceful acts but in the end the choice is always left to the chooser 
so if i walk in the same room as you (no matter what you belive) our phrephiral sight and hearing and touch and the rest of your senses will be interpretted as  there s a man in the room that you are in.
then your belive is how you anayliss what your brain has alrady interpretted . so you can belive i have come to kill you or help you. to talk or to fight but in the end of the day if i was there you could do nothing about it except ask me to leave because i would really be there no matter what you belived.

its the same with your ubo thought. you see it>interprett it>realise that your reallity consists of something that you can not interprett in acordance to anything you know>anaylsis> decide what you then belive it to be but no matter how you anaysis you mind has already decided something is there

hope i said that right?

anyone agree or disagree

[kurtykurt42]

hope i said that right?

anyone agree or disagree

Who can say... I believe that each of us creates our own realities in the manner in which we express ourselves in our daily lives.

[Xanth]

Who knows...
You're all but a figment of my imagination anyways.   

[Stookie]

Here's something that caught my eye:

its the same with your ubo thought. you see it>interprett it>realise that your reallity consists of something that you can not interprett in acordance to anything you know>anaylsis> decide what you then belive it to be but no matter how you anaysis you mind has already decided something is there

I've always stuck with something kinda similar:

You have "Percepts" ->sensory/bodily input from the physical world
You have "Concepts" ->the concepts of reality you've picked up since birth (such as ball=round)
You have "Thinking" ->which is the act that connects the closest "Concept" to the "Percept" being perceived.

When you don't have a concept to match a percept, new concepts (correct or incorrect) are born. This is the inner process in each of us that creates our reality.

If you like to read in length about this kind of stuff, I can recommend a decent book on the subject. I've read it about 7 times and learn something new every time.

[Fourthdimension]

hi stookie sorry for the short reply i have been out doing hadrians wall for 2 days camping in the snow and walking about 50 mile haha. what book would you recommend stookie

thanks