URGENT HELP NEEDED!! I AM IN BIG TROUBLE!!

[Shrikrishna]

And do you practice magick yourself?

no i don't but i am actually interested in that , can you guide me as to where should i start?? i am very much interested in the occult things... but have decided to learn it in near future .. what you say ? 

[testing]

Well, actually I don't think its a good idea. I was wondering if that was part of your problem. You might want to work on overcoming your fear of the occult first.

[Naykid]

I'm referring to someone else who might believe in such.
I believe we're here to simply experience in a different way than our natural state of being is.

Oh, ok.

I see it like this... as a spiritual being who isn't afflicted with any of the "physical reality" limitations that we have to put up with (survival, hunger, emotions, etc) how do you experience things?  How does someone explain what "hunger" is to an immortal spiritual soul?  The questions that arise out of answering that will feed a hundred more questions... while it's just easier to experience it. 

I'm not quite sure I get this.  You are a spiritual being who HAS to live in the "physical reality" What are you saying here? 

It's probably very much along the lines of why we tell people who come here asking for proof of astral projection that they should learn to experience it for themselves... cause explaining it just takes too long. 

OK, wait, are you saying you don't want to explain your belief/opinion because it will take too long?

Here's a thought...
Perhaps, as immortal spiritual beings... we're just really REALLY bored and live out these lives as a way to entertain ourselves.  LoL

That sounds like a very ego driven thing, IMO.  Thus the reason for my question about satisfying the ego.

[Shrikrishna]

Oh, ok.
I'm not quite sure I get this.  You are a spiritual being who HAS to live in the "physical reality" What are you saying here? 
OK, wait, are you saying you don't want to explain your belief/opinion because it will take too long?
That sounds like a very ego driven thing, IMO.  Thus the reason for my question about satisfying the ego.

Naykid please stop arguing with everyone .....

[Naykid]

Naykid please stop arguing with everyone .....

Excuse me?  Do I know you?

I was merely asking questions and it seems Xanth does not like answering them.  I think it's great to have an opinion, but it's usually just as great to tell why, instead of saying you just don't feel like explaining yourself.  Of course this is my opinion and I'm once again, merely stating it. 

I'm afraid that your behaviour is what Xanth likes to call instigating, so I would appreciate if you would discontinue, unless we can be assured that no one will be banned for their opinion, in that case, I'll be more than happy to continue said conversation.

[Xanth]

No Nay, I'm just tired of having to constantly correct your incorrect assumptions that you seem to base your entire responses around regarding my opinions. 
So I choose to not engage you. 

My last post was quite concise... please re-read it if you wish to garner anymore opinion out of me.

[Naykid]

No Nay, I'm just tired of having to constantly correct your incorrect assumptions that you seem to base your entire responses around regarding my opinions.  
So I choose to not engage you.  

My last post was quite concise... please re-read it if you wish to garner anymore opinion out of me.

My god, I feel like I'm stuck in some really bad after school special.  

And why is it OK and not against the rules for you to instigate me?  But that aside, I'm trying to understand why you believe what you believe.   I didn't understand you because you didn't answer my question.  If you disagree with what I had to say then fine, that's cool, but instead of acting like some victim, explain why you don't think that.  For example, I quoted you saying, "Here's a thought...Perhaps, as immortal spiritual beings... we're just really REALLY bored and live out these lives as a way to entertain ourselves.  LoL" and I said that I thought that WAS satisfying the ego.  

Do you agree or not?  It's not an argument, it's a question.  Because in my mind there seems to be a contradiction, I'll go back and read though, as you suggest.  My reading comprehension isn't that great.

[Shrikrishna]

SO TO EVERYONE MY LAST QUESTION IS SHOULD I LEARN ASTRAL PROJECTION IN THIS CHAOTIC SITUATION? WON'T THAT HARM ME MENTALLY IN ANYWAY?? PLEASE EVERYONE ANSWER UP TO THE QUESTION ONLY, any suggestions are also appreciated.... ( i hope newcomers read the older posts to know my background)

[Shrikrishna]

SO TO EVERYONE MY LAST QUESTION IS SHOULD I LEARN ASTRAL PROJECTION IN THIS CHAOTIC SITUATION? WON'T THAT HARM ME MENTALLY IN ANYWAY?? PLEASE EVERYONE ANSWER UP TO THE QUESTION ONLY, any suggestions are also appreciated.... ( i hope newcomers read the older posts to know my background)
atleast somebody please reply to this post ,

[CFTraveler]

SO TO EVERYONE MY LAST QUESTION IS SHOULD I LEARN ASTRAL PROJECTION IN THIS CHAOTIC SITUATION? WON'T THAT HARM ME MENTALLY IN ANYWAY?? PLEASE EVERYONE ANSWER UP TO THE QUESTION ONLY, any suggestions are also appreciated.... ( i hope newcomers read the older posts to know my background)
atleast somebody please reply to this post ,

The question is, can you learn it?  It requires detachment and concentration, and some degree of a peaceful environment to be able to do something with it- so I really don't think you have the emotional energy to cultivate it.  So, if I were you, I'd work on many other things before considering this.

[Pauli2]

SO TO EVERYONE MY LAST QUESTION IS SHOULD I LEARN ASTRAL PROJECTION IN THIS CHAOTIC SITUATION?

Perhaps you should learn some kind of astral healing method first?

[Lexy]

SO TO EVERYONE MY LAST QUESTION IS SHOULD I LEARN ASTRAL PROJECTION IN THIS CHAOTIC SITUATION? WON'T THAT HARM ME MENTALLY IN ANYWAY?? PLEASE EVERYONE ANSWER UP TO THE QUESTION ONLY, any suggestions are also appreciated.... ( i hope newcomers read the older posts to know my background)

Why don't you try meditating first? Get in touch with your center. Try some energy work like qigong or tai chi to help you become clear.  Then you should have no doubts going into astral.

[in_search]

i not shure but it can help but if he too advance u need to find a advance spell teacher do dispelled the curese here ill find u his site hopefully he can help u he has 20 something years of experiences there also stuff selling on ebay called haunted on and on to help dispell them curses and protects u from curses and bad people with bad intentions hopes this helps man wish u best of luck

here it is u gotta find ur own way to contact him

http://spellsandmagic.com/page2.html

i noe this will diffinetly help so keep me up dated this guy can hang him self with actual hooks and he can stop the bleeding and stop pain this guys in sane with magic

[steveo233]

maybe you need to learn some black magick. look up luciferian magick

[MilesB]

maybe you need to learn some black magick. look up luciferian magick

I wouldn't recommend this.

I would recommend praying, forgiving your father, and filling yourself up with love. It may seem stupid but love is unimaginably powerful.

[Shrikrishna]

I wouldn't recommend this.

I would recommend praying, forgiving your father, and filling yourself up with love. It may seem stupid but love is unimaginably powerful.

I Agree with you milesB , even some astrologers suggested to us the same thing , but now i am here with a new question, he has been casting black magic spells almost daily for more than 7 years now , how come that evil/bad karma hasn't effected/affected him in anyway?? is karma cleaning possible in a situation where you try to kill your own childrens and fill others with joy?? is this the rule of this world??? we often "say what goes around comes around" but is this true?? i am highly doubting this saying..... almost have lost faith in GOD now... are there any free spell-casters available??.. one more thing how can a person cast spells almost everyday?! or even curse others everyday?? if  you are comfortable with astral projection then atleast once you just try to monitor my father's activities because  its the only way you will be able to see how insane he is .... i am not forcing you but just you can see it for yourself....may be you can explain me what you saw!

[Shrikrishna]

i not shure but it can help but if he too advance u need to find a advance spell teacher do dispelled the curese here ill find u his site hopefully he can help u he has 20 something years of experiences there also stuff selling on ebay called haunted on and on to help dispell them curses and protects u from curses and bad people with bad intentions hopes this helps man wish u best of luck

here it is u gotta find ur own way to contact him

http://spellsandmagic.com/page2.html

i noe this will diffinetly help so keep me up dated this guy can hang him self with actual hooks and he can stop the bleeding and stop pain this guys in sane with magic

thanks a lot dude, i have been looking for such people but till date didn't found anyone that helpful....

[Shrikrishna]

maybe you need to learn some black magick. look up luciferian magick

hey i am just a beginner in magic and i haven't carried out any initiation yet ... just reading books at first hand ..trying to explore more..
i mite not be comfortable with that thing... i am not an experienced magician... so it mite turn into something more worse ... what you say?? can you recommend me any books on black magic for beginners??? i really want to learn black magic, i have lots of interest in it!

[Pauli2]

can you recommend me any books on black magic for beginners??? i really want to learn black magic, i have lots of interest in it!

this is a book with really interesting, [link ->]   dark end heavy magi !!!

[personalreality]

i recommend seeing a therapist.

[Shrikrishna]

this is a book with really interesting, [link ->]   dark end heavy magi !!!

was that a joke??!! i am fighting for my life here and you are thinking of harry potter!! have you any sense of the link you have forward me??

[Xanth]

i recommend seeing a therapist.

I'll second this.

I'll also say... DO NOT try to get help for your issues on the INTERNET.  Nothing here can help you.

[CFTraveler]

was that a joke??!! i am fighting for my life here and you are thinking of harry potter!! have you any sense of the link you have forward me??

If you are fighting for your life what makes you think dark magic is going to help?  It's like giving a loaded gun to someone who is being punched in the face repeatedly-while it's happening.  Chances are they are going to shoot themselves-or the other person will take the gun and shoot them- and there is no coming back from that.
I agree that you should seek therapy- and maybe it can help clear your mind for anything else that might work.

[personalreality]

OP, I would like to clarify that I am not a non-believer.  I don't doubt the power of magic.  There is no such thing as black or dark magic though, there are only black or dark magicians.  It's the intent and purpose behind a ritual that makes it a malevolent act.  In and of itself, magic is very neutral. 

A large part of my job is helping people counteract what they believe to be magical attacks against them.  I NEVER tell people to retaliate, for two good reasons.  First, how are you doing right by yourself if you just react?  It's more important for your own development to handle the situation in a non-aggressive manner (in my opinion, but I have practical experience).  Second, stuff comes back to you in magical practice.  I don't know the "physics" behind why, but I've seen it happen. 

When I teach people how to handle these things I always suggest practical, real world solutions first.  Talk to the person you suspect, try to remove them from your life, whatever.  The point is, if you can settle something through communication and understanding, that's what you should do.  If you cannot do these things then your next option is to cleanse and protect yourself.  You can cleanse yourself in numerous ways, but I would suggest sage smudging yourself or something similar.  You should also burn a black candle to absorb all of the "negativity" that is being directed at you.  When the candle is done, if there is any wax or other part of the candle left, bury it.  (This is very important because black candles ABSORB, which means that if there is any candle left, it contains all that negativity and it will leech back into your environment)  Then I would burn a white candle to purify yourself and your space.  You could also invest in a black crystal to wear or carry, and that will protect you.

Now, having said that, I don't think this is your problem.  If you're just being intentionally over dramatic for the fun of it, then you are annoying and should just move on to another forum of people who are silly enough to get all dramatic over nothing as well.  If you really believe this and are this intense about it, I think you may have some paranoia problems or something similar and you need professional help so that you don't hurt yourself or others.  I'm not saying that you're crazy or mentally ill, but everyone needs someone to talk to sometimes and we may not be the right people to be your counselor in this situation. 

Either way, one of these solutions could be of use.  Just don't let yourself be bamboozled or taken advantage of when there is no legitimate cause for concern. 

[Shrikrishna]

OP, I would like to clarify that I am not a non-believer.  I don't doubt the power of magic.  There is no such thing as black or dark magic though, there are only black or dark magicians.  It's the intent and purpose behind a ritual that makes it a malevolent act.  In and of itself, magic is very neutral. 

i agree with this one.... you are absolutely right ..Magic can be used in both the ways... and so there are those people who are good / evil... magic is always neutral...