Evolving Spritually

[Summerlander]

Wi11iam...

Have you experienced the OOBE-state yet? If you haven't, do it. Frank's focuses of consciousness are not "areas". The metaphysical realm is not even actual...it's a different realm altogether where thought is quintessential. Even space/distance there is a thought...not actual.

Frank's model isn't necessarily wrong. It is an interpretation. a lot of what he describes tallies with my experience anyway but I see things in a different way. I wouldn't say Frank is wrong though, I'd say that he simply has his own way of looking at the phenomena. This is what Xanth has been trying to explain to you but you seem to get defensive all the time. What is it? If you are eager to have Kepple's model verified...I'm sorry to tell you that it can't have that. The interpretation is SUBJECTIVE.

Whilst some, for instance, slot their experiences into classifications such as physical, astral, mental, buddhic, atmic, monadic, adic and so forth...others simply see it all as happening in the same realm. For others it is just different states of consciousness. Others will argue that such experiences are illusory and concocted by the brain somehow.

Do yourself a favour, pick a method, put it into practive, enter such realm free of preconceptions and draw your own conclusions. Going back to our other argument, there are certain states you can achieve where you can forget what an object such as an apple is and suddenly switch back to the mode where you know exactly what it is, all the while you can be watching this object as hypnagogic imagery and 'flicking' between the modes of knowing and not knowing. Amazing, isn't it. This is how I know that, intrinsically, we are empty...and it is the concepts that we cling to that defines us. Without experience...there is no observer nor observed. Your sense of being something is merely those concepts that you identify yourself with. nothing more.

Experience the state and then come back with richer wordy posts. I know your name is Germanic and fairly close to Belgium, where the waffles come from, but you can help that.

[Wi11iam]

If you are eager to have Kepple's model verified...I'm sorry to tell you that it can't have that.

This is great!  I did wonder about that Astral Pulse Island – where the thought seemed to be for practitioners can meet and verify the experience.
So it would appear that the process is very similar, but the experiences are totaliy different.

F1  Similar and different – however as a shared reality the effects of what happens on this planet always have an effect on everyone, just different degrees, unless it was something major.

F2 – ah yes the area (whatever) where the individuals thoughts/beliefs become real
F3 – Where those thoughts have created 'lands' (again – whatever) and these lands are collectively a vast and seemingly endless shared reality and within the boarders of these lands are real individuals sharing similar belief systems, and there are 'guides' and such to help the traveller and there is also the practice of retrieval.

It sounds like you have not been to that actual area, and likely wouldn't if you believe that everything doesn't actually exist.

Also it doesn't really matter what these areas are called – even if they are called areas – and the only subjective I am most interested in is the collective subjective – so thanks for your subjective explanation – I like reading your posts summer but I tend to distrust any entity who tells me to "melt into the nothing" ( and other such phrasing) and such like advice - because I suspect such entities have been telling me that for a long time and I have been stupid enough to listen...and unobservant in noticing that they stick around waiting for me to re-emerge anew so they can tell me 'how it is' and use my beliefs to lord it over me while they live off my suffering.

(Their counterparts here in F1 are the 20% of the worlds population living off the backs of the 80% whom believe that this is the way it must be...now I wonder who told them that?)

Relax I say, there is a plan (yes – from the heart of intelligence and reason) to make it all better, and distracting oneself in the un actuality of this meta realm is vainglorious nonsense if it has no practical purpose relating to the totality and the real concerns and issues that need to be sorted...fortunately there is a place in the vastness of the Invisible Realm (metaphysical as you call it) which is aware of the issues and is doing a great deal about it – but the bottom line is the BEING that we all are and the birthing of that into something which isn't an illusion, delusion, figment of imagination...and this process could do with everyone's help, but ah...folk seem to get themselves so distracted.

What do you want with your waffle?

[Summerlander]

 

My friend...I think you misunderstood when I used the word subjective. I didn't mean to say the "data" perceived is created by us because, according to my experiences, there is a strong suggestion that some is created by us and some isn't. I meant to say that the experience itself is subjective...meaning the same type of data can be interpreted in various ways by different individuals.

That API...I might have been there once...or perhaps not. All I know is that I stumbled upon an island with a pyramid and Kepple happened to be there. Whether it was real or imagined...one can never know. It seems that environments created by you are more 'malleable' than what appears to be that of others but is that enough to make such a distinction?

These days I'm more concerned about the information and the help I can get from the OOBE-state rather than theorising about what it actually is. You catch my drift?

By the way, here's a drawing I did based on that crisp pyramid environment experience. The guy below looked like Kepple playing with prisms inside the pyramid. I can never say it was him for sure though:



After the experience, I've been told that Frank liked to build things in API. I was never aware of this. Coincidence or did I actually see him having fun in a BST which was manifested by everyone who has looked at the API pic? You decide...

[Wi11iam]

Yes – I remember seeing this pic in the art thread of this site.

For me, everything is real.  I view the whole human situation as being one thing – one entity.
I realise that this is not ordinary, as we are taught and accept quiet readily the truth that we are separate and individual.
Historical evidence supports this belief system and makes it look real by acting it out.
It is this acting out which creates history.
I have learned to view the whole thing as one thing, notwithstanding that in doing so I am not 'seeing' what is as I 'should' be seeing it, as a fair chunk of individuals 'see' things.

I add the data to itself.  Now I have had enough experience with OOBE – state – and in reading what others say about their own experiences I accumulate more data regarding that whole thing.

I understand that the whole thing is Consciousness, and from that point, all 'things' become.
I further understand that this Consciousness is obviously intelligent and purposeful, and that it is expanding through the accumulation of experience, not only earthbound experience but 'other' dimensional experience, such as you yourself are also aware of.

I do not differentiate as to what is real and what is not.  Anything Conscious awareness experiences, is indeed real. 
I have learned to expand.  I have learned to 'see' that it is possible to gather the experiences into a cohesive 'picture' and enjoy the intimacy of experience as a result.

On the subject of the 'blank' areas – we all know of these,  I 'see' them as being 'walls' between differing realities.
Some of these blank areas can cause the aspect of intelligence moving through them to literally forget all prior experience, of where it 'came from' in order to 'get to' where it goes..
Some suggest that this has to do with the density – especially to do with F1 – our shared reality matrix of common ground – literally, earthbound - and thus 'normally' we each believe we have had no prior 'anything' – we come from nothing and this gives us each an understanding of 'beginning'.

The different realities are also of Conscious Intelligence.  As ONE 'thing', the Conscious Intelligence is the primary ingredient of ALL experience.

I realise that in today's climate of collective human thought, such a concept points to 'God' and that this tends to leave a 'bad taste in the mouth' as the saying goes.  On the subject of 'God', history shows us a collective truth that religion – that collective human representative of 'what god is', is more a hindrance (to spiritual evolution) than a help.

This is great individuals are moving on from such god-concepts, apart from the fact that it tends to get individuals agreeing that thinking in terms of "all consciousness derives from the One" equates to their being a 'God' and therefore, "no thanks".

Ah, but when understood from a differing view point, one begins to realise that IF this were in fact the truth, THEN we each are part of that same thing, and it is possible to realign the thinking processes to reflect that fact.

Easier said than done of course. 

The ramifications themselves become a source of interest and focus.

I have no doubts whatsoever in the fact that individuals who OOBE are in fact doing so, and that the experiences they have are real, even if they themselves doubt the validly as to the reality of what it is they experience.

I also understand that 'dreams' too, are real.  Reality has everything to do with consciousness, in that consciousness itself is real – and is the singular aspect responsible for giving/making anything and everything, real.

True – the experiencee can doubt the validity, or in analysing the data of experience, can deduce an incorrect assessment.  Indeed, there is no doubt in my understanding that the personality experiencing OOBE does so based largely on how they perceive their dominant reality F1 – Life on Earth – and these concepts remain with the persona – whatever the situation being experienced.

Even if one assumes the role of observer, in any experience, what is being observed will also be interpreted according to how that persona thinks when in their 'normal', dominant reality.

[Summerlander]

Or maybe my mind manifested it all. Perhaps OOBEs are brain-concocted illusions. Have you ever thought of that, Wi11iam? After all, DMT is produced endogenously and, as you know, it is a hallucinogenic substance.

[Wi11iam]

 
As to the One Intelligent Consciousness... 

...What I understand about this is that it is also an individualised fragment of a much vaster Consciousness and is the instrument of that vaster aspect which is used to explore.
It may then seem erroneous to call this fragmented Consciousness as being The One Consciousness, however, my understanding is that fragmented or not, it derives and is connected to the Source, and everything which is conscious is also connected to this Source.

The experience of being an individual naturally induces the belief that we are not connected in any way.  This is part and parcel of the human experience but of course, as many will verify, there is a vaster reality we are not ordinarily able to see or interact with, and even when we do, we are not at all positive as to what it is, or if it is 'real'.

Exploration is the motivating ingredient, and often the discovery process is accompanied by realisation which points to other discoveries.

Ultimately it is The Source of Consciousness that is doing the discovering, experiencing, and collecting of data.

In order to explore the Universe of F1 –Matter, Energy, Space and Time, there must have been a process of 'dummying down' so that each aspect from Consciousness outside F1 moving into F1, had its part to play in creating the next until eventually creating forms of matter in which to experience through and collect the data of experience – the details of such an undertaking would be pretty much incomprehensible to human thinking.

What does it take for a vast intelligent consciousness to enter the parameters of this universe?

The result is evident – at least on the surface.  Personally I understand that the reason this universe being what it is has everything to do with this One Conscious Intelligence initially interacting with the Quantum Particles, and this interaction is what created Galaxies and everything else.

My understanding is that such an awesomely powerful reaction of creative expression cannot be contained within human form – it has to go through a mind-bendingly complex and time consuming process (from the pov of intelligence within this universe).

Inevitably this process produced forms of matter which were – if not ideal, then certainly usable for Conscious Intelligence to experience through and to collect the data of experience.

Each aspect of fragmentation brought the Conscious Intelligence a step closer to being able to experience F1 as a specie life-form which could live on a planet suitable for such a thing.

Reverse engineer the process and we have a better understanding of what the Invisible Realm is, and why it is, as it is.

Throughout this whole process, with each 'dummying down' some prior knowledge of where it 'came from' would not have been retained within the experience of the particular new instrument of experience. 

The Source would have understood the likely outcome of such processes, and would have placed 'failsafe' measures in which to make sure that this 'forgetting oneself' (as The Source) would not be permanent....each creative aspect would act as a mentor for each following aspect of this creative process.

Eventually this consciousness incarnated into the form it created for the purpose of exploring a planetary existence, and in doing so, the reflection of this experience wrought through the belief systems of the individuals experiencing, pinged back to the Invisible Realm and became 'real' – this process made possible by the experience of F1, through the influence of F2 (where individual imagination/belief system becomes real/alive) and through there into the aspect of F3, where it situates itself as a real vibrant and expanding system of a collective shared reality.
F3 is a problematic situation in that it is not an ideal, or indeed a desired state for intelligent consciousness to dwell indefinitely within.  This is due to the instability of opposing forces which were created by the human experience and its belief in duality...

Or maybe my mind manifested it all. Perhaps OOBEs are brain-concocted illusions. Have you ever thought of that, Wi11iam? After all, DMT is produced endogenously and, as you know, it is a hallucinogenic substance.



Sure have thought about it.  It is the base reason for the belief system of the aspect of humanity called 'scepticism'.
You are welcome to belief this is what is taking place when you have your experiences, and perhaps one day science will be able to prove irrevocably that this is in fact the case.
As a belief I imagine that the believer would need to 'see' things that way in order to stay somewhat detached from being a part of a possible collective intelligent consciousness and the implications which may derive from this awareness.

On a more 'conspiratal' note, their may well be an aspect of the Invisible Realm which has enjoyed the illusion of 'owning' and controlling to some degree the way that realm functions and in order to keep that illusion 'alive' things need to go the way they have been in relation to the earth-bound – certainly there does seem to be some kind of battle going on among some very powerful entities here on earth, so it will have its counterpart in the Invisible Realm.

It all gets down to belief, and who was it that mentioned earlier in this thread that "Imagination is Limitless" or words to that effect.
Imagination is the first building block in the creation of belief systems and the energy focused.

Personally I don't think the human brain is a stand alone entity tricking the thing that it lives in.  It is a tool for consciousness and an intelligent consciousness would be able to 'work it out'...especially if it had the backing of its collective self..

[Pauli2]

In order to explore the Universe of F1 –Matter, Energy, Space and Time...

What Focus do you mean with "F1"?

Do you mean Focus 10, Focus 3 or C1?

And, yes, I ask from the point of Frank's model of Monroe Focuses.

[Wi11iam]

What Focus do you mean with "F1"?

Do you mean Focus 10, Focus 3 or C1?

And, yes, I ask from the point of Frank's model of Monroe Focuses.

See:
3) In depth: Focus 1
at this link

[Pauli2]

be specific

[Wi11iam]

  be specific

Specifically, Pauli, what do you have to add to the subject of "Spiritual Evolution"?

After reading The Frank Kepple Resource I was in a 2nd hand store and brought a DVD.  It was about a guy who was stung by box jellyfish.
He describes his NDE and while I am watching I recall what Frank said about what he calls the four differing 'focuses' of consciousness, and F1 was where the man was at the time he was stung by these box jellyfish (apparently they are the second deadliest poisonous thing known to exist on earth) he then entered another state as he was losing his battle to stay in F1 (he was dying) and in this state he was at first confronted by darkness, and then some kind of evil presence which manifested itself and was telling him that he had to go to hell and then another manifested image appeared to him – radiant and good.
This presence seemed to dissipate the first manifestation and this presence had some questions for the guy.
Then the guy reports that the being moved to one side and revealed a beautiful land which the guy saw as Heaven.
The guy was then given a choice – he could enter this land or he could go back to his life on Earth.

Now this kind of story is not unique at all – in fact they are quite common although there is still much debate (distraction) as to weather these experiences are 'real' or 'illusion'

What I saw in watching this DVD was a process – one in which Frank describes and ascribes more detail to.

Now the guy chose to return to his earth life and predictable became a preacher for Jesus.
(this is because he understood his experience to categorically support the Christian belief system) and when he does inevitably die, he will return to this Heaven and for him, all things will be lovely.

Indeed, there are far worse areas within the F3 reality, as the stories go and far better ones by all accounts, and this is in most cases to do with personal, individual preference.

Illusion is real, tricks are real, and cons are real.  Illusion is 'smoke and mirrors' (as the saying goes) and it appears a bulk of individuals experiencing 'other states of awareness' are at a loss as to categorically state that what they experience is indeed 'real' rather than 'illusion'.

Illusion is real, and is often used for the purpose of concealment and is a popular source of entertainment.
If there is some concern as to the true nature of that which is being experienced, there is no 'thing' to stop the individual, or group of individuals from examining the 'thing' more closely.

There may be an underlying concern that in doing so, the entertainment value is lost.  Like knowing how a trick/illusion is done – spoils the illusion.
There may be a fear of exposing something behind the illusion that might force the individual/group to let go of precious beliefs which go a long way in making that individual/group what they 'see' themselves as being, and all that such 'identification' may imply.

It is all part of 'Spiritual Evolution' – to understand the real illusion and why it is an illusion.

Even the language and labels are part of the illusion – and assist in keeping the illusion real.

But we work with what we have, and by all accounts there is a vast amount of uncovering to do, and a myriad of potentially distractive elements which could be authorised to hamper that investigation.

If we so chose to let them.



I read this a few years back, and rediscovered it more recently.  It is an interesting opinion regarding the nature of – what I call 'the Invisible Realm' in relation to we, the earth bound,  in F1 and focuses on the suppression of  a reality hidden behind the illusions of the so-called 'paranormal' – such as 'Astral'.
I quote a particular part of the document, but the document as a whole is a very interesting read.




It is well past the hour that humans wake up to what they are participating in and learn how they can stop it – one individual at a time. We are the key to our dilemma and we must learn how to deactivate the suppression matrix so we can awaken to the Sovereign Integral consciousness, live within its behavioural intelligence, and release ourselves from the grip of the mind and human instrument.

Those who extol hope and light, I can only say that you will be disappointed if your hope is contingent on anyone, save yourself, to facilitate change in this world. It is truly as Gandhi explained; we must become the change we want to see in the world, but the key is to define what change.

Have you ever considered the definition of your Self? What is it that defines you? If you look in the mirror and peel away the masks, the pretentions, the deceptions, the fears, the thoughts, the feelings; what remains? For most they would answer their soul or spirit. And if I told you that the soul – as most define it – does not truly exist apart from the mind, what would you say?

The change I want to see in the world is that people begin to see themselves as multidimensional beings whose core is the Sovereign Integral that is the distillation of First Source in a singular, human expression. If people were only in tune with this frequency, they would understand that all is united in oneness, equality, and truth. This is the definition of the Grand Portal as it has been disclosed by the WingMakers mythology for the past ten years.
Each individual is a portal unto themselves, and this portal is the access point to the interdimensional worlds of the Sovereign Integral, where the human instrument, like a space suit, is finally removed and the individual realizes their true, infinite nature. And in this realization, understands that everyone –
EVERYONE – is equal in this state, and in this equality we are ONE. The Grand Portal is when humanity stands-up as ONE BEING to this all-encompassing realization and then we transcend the suppression framework and express as Sovereigns.

2012 is a single page in the "book" called the Era of Transparency and Expansion. The life of deception – the era of veils over veils over veils – is dissipating, provided enough people rise up within themselves and honor the Sovereign Integral within by expressing its truth.

But to do this, people must become attuned to its consciousness apart from the HMS, and this is the course of action that people must engage in. The seeking of information is over. The seeking of a master, guru, religion, spiritual path, or way-shower is over. The seeking of objects of blame is over.

The seeking of hidden information behind the dark forces is over. It is the expression of the Sovereign Integral consciousness and the deactivation of the suppression framework that becomes the focus of each individual in this new era.




click here to access the whole document

[Pauli2]

...and F1 was where the man was at the time he was stung...

Which F1 oC?

There are at least three Monroe Focuses to choose among, C1, F 3 and F 10.

Which one?

Be specific.

[Wi11iam]

Specifically, Pauli, what do you have to add to the subject of "Spiritual Evolution"?

[Xanth]

Specifically, Pauli, what do you have to add to the subject of "Spiritual Evolution"?

Wi11iam, did you happen to watch that video link I posted?
I'm wondering your thoughts on the content... since it's directly related to one perceived notion of Spiritual Evolution.

[Wi11iam]

Wi11iam, did you happen to watch that video link I posted?
I'm wondering your thoughts on the content... since it's directly related to one perceived notion of Spiritual Evolution.

It's on my list of things to do Xanth - do you have thoughts on it?

[Wi11iam]

Wi11iam,

Here's one opinion on what evolving spiritually means: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDVtxvvRGQI

Later....

Wi11iam, did you happen to watch that video link I posted?
I'm wondering your thoughts on the content... since it's directly related to one perceived notion of Spiritual Evolution.

  Okay I got through most of that video you linked and the content is interesting and I understand its relevance in relation to spiritual evolution of individuals and specie.