Why is the average OBE so short for people?

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Lightning

Quote from: djed on June 06, 2011, 16:49:02
@Lighting.
My method of getting into trance was developed from R.Bruce/B.Mercer's 90 day course, with a combination of energy raising, chakra stimulation, rhythmic breathing and several exit- visualizations (of which the climbing-rope seems to be the most popular) You can sit in a chair or lie down to do trance meditation.

Yeah, I'm very familiar with Bruce's work. I first found out about him 6 years ago when I was only semi-interested in OBE's. I also have the astral dynamics workbook course you're talking about (excel file). I haven't tried any of his energy raising techniques, but I can already achieve the conscious exit he describes.

Quote from: djed on June 06, 2011, 16:49:02
To learn how to Phase I would encourage anyone to read online or download Xanth's Phasing primer which you will find here http://unlimitedbounderies.ca/xanths-phasing-primer/
He first gives an explanation of what phasing is and then starts you off with a couple of exercises.
Good luck, djed

I will try phasing just to see how it differs from the normal type of projection I use.

My aim, however, is to be able to perform the exit (without having to lie down) through meditation, with the clearest possible awareness, even while remaining close to my physical body in the RTZ, and to be able to prolong the experience for as long as needed. Now... that's gonna take some serious effort  :-D

But even if I'm never able to accomplish that, I will keep meditating.

Good luck to you too, man.
This fire that has gone out... in which direction from here has it gone?

Xanth

Quote from: Lightning on June 06, 2011, 20:28:04
I will try phasing just to see how it differs from the normal type of projection I use.
I'd also suggest Franks Phasing Resource: http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html  :)

Lightning

This fire that has gone out... in which direction from here has it gone?

human_eraser

What has happened to me before is that I successfully exit, but lose focus after I exit and can't remember anything from my OBE. Or I only remember small parts of my OBE. Most people just don't have the attention span to go more than 20-30 minutes.

Jilt

If you can get to 20-30 minutes, that's pretty impressive in itself (I've gone 45 minutes but that's rare).

This morning I was lying on my side and exited 3x in a row but I felt like I wasn't getting enough air and I heard a voice say "breathe!" so I breathed deeper but still woke up too soon so I turned to lie on my back (my usual position) where I exited and had a much longer OOBE. This has prompted me to believe that people may have more luck on their back because they're able to breathe more deeply/generate more energy to stay out.

simonlight

Currently....

For LDs I tend to remain for between a few seconds to what seems like 3-4 hours and can easily re-enter after awakening.

For what I consider APs I'm able to go for a few seconds to (what seems for) many hours and cannot re-enter easily upon awakening.

For what I consider OBEs, I'm there for a short time - seconds to many minutes.

As far as lying on my side, back or belly, that doesn't seem to effect anything for me.