Phasing or APing?

[urshebear]

So lastnight I was lying in bed attempting to phase (as I sometimes do but it never seems to work for me) I gave up and decided to get up, I crawled out of bed and noticed my whole room was dark and filled with junk...Thats when I realised I was not in the physical..
Wow no sleep paralysis (loved skipping that step) and no vibrations either

Was this a phase or just your run of the mill OBE?

Also when you phase do you still experiance the whole roll/crawl/float out of body thing?

[Pauli2]

I vote 4 OBE

[CFTraveler]

So lastnight I was lying in bed attempting to phase (as I sometimes do but it never seems to work for me) I gave up and decided to get up, I crawled out of bed and noticed my whole room was dark and filled with junk...Thats when I realised I was not in the physical..
Wow no sleep paralysis (loved skipping that step) and no vibrations either

Was this a phase or just your run of the mill OBE?

I vote 'traditional' OBE too but with one caveat- If you were walking with feet and felt the floor, I'd say OBE with strong dream elements.

Also when you phase do you still experiance the whole roll/crawl/float out of body thing?

I don't- I get sucked or 'fall' into the environment.

[Astral316]

The way I understand phasing (the method) there is no break in waking consciousness. It sounds like you fell asleep into the transitional state and didn't regain full consciousness until you became lucid. Having had very similar experiences I'd call it an OBE without typical separation.

Also when you phase do you still experiance the whole roll/crawl/float out of body thing?

I've phased from the transitional state and it's sort of like when a movie 'fades in' at the beginning.

[Xanth]

Was this a phase or just your run of the mill OBE?

This question doesn't matter.  You had a non-physical experience.  That's all that matters. 

Also when you phase do you still experiance the whole roll/crawl/float out of body thing?

You do not.  Think of Phasing more like falling asleep into a dream while remaining fully consciously aware during the entire process.  In essence, it's a WILD (wake induced lucid dream)... just another term for the same thing. 

[astraladdict]

You had a nice little OBE there buddy congratz. Phasing is more of a.. deep daydream. Like an LD in a way.

~astraladdict

[Summerlander]

To me they are both the same. In fact, over at obe4u we say that we enter the Phase when we have OOBEs, AP and LDs. At least the term there is broad. I tend to separate from the body post vibrations and I still say that I'm entering the Phase. I don't associate the term with any type of method.

With or without vibrations, the Phase state = Mode 1 OOBEs (RTZ) / Mode 2 OOBEs (AP) / Lucid Dreaming (incorporated in the "Mode 2" category but entered differently).

About lucid dreams...I'd be careful about saying that they only happen on a personal unconscious level too. Lucid dreams have proved to me that they are also capable of being quite revealling...just like OOBEs! An example was when I saw my neighbour apparently committing suicide by drowning in her bath. In the dream I saved her even though I was lucid. A lot of things have gone on in waking life and she went through hell. I let her know I was there for her. Once she told me that her daughter was gonna have a bath and left the tap running for so long to the point of flooding the bathroom. She hoped that the water wouldn't come through my ceiling as it was directly above my downstairs toilet. Hmmm...was it her daughter or she tried to do something I wonder...

In fact, even non-lucid dreams can appear to be precognitive (happened to me too - I saw an accident taking place which happened exactly like it in waking life - same people involved too!!). Although the 'focus' may not be great, one could still be travelling extra-dimensionally. Don't underestimate the potential of dreams either is what I'm saying here!

Then we have the phenomenon of shared dreaming...it happens sometimes. It happened twice with me and my wife. It's funny how in Mode 2 OOBEs one seems to be able to enter the dreams and imagination of others as well as being able to talk to what appears to be their unconscious...

[Summerlander]

From that link...^^^

If you want to experience an OOBE rather than a WILD (same thing in my book), I add the rope climbing technique (my favorite) or if I'm lazy, I gently lift my hand just a little under a sheet and when I don't feel the sheet I know my astral hand is free and I'm ready to completely lift out.

I have a WILD/OOBE nearly every morning using these techniques and the more you have, the easier it becomes. Enjoy.

Carl Jung said people can experience both the personal and collective unconscious in dreams...he also astral projected (recorded in The Red Book), but he didn't call it that...he called it "active imaginings".

[Rudolph]

I vote 'traditional' OBE too but with one caveat- If you were walking with feet and felt the floor, I'd say OBE with strong dream elements.

I would call that an OBE too. But why or how does feet on the floor change things?

I thought 'Phase' was just a general term for LD or OBE...?

Also when you phase do you still experiance the whole roll/crawl/float out of body thing?

I have done all of the above and also simply projected out directly to the foot of the bed with no exit sensations at all. And I do not think I have ever experienced sleep paralysis.

[Xanth]

I thought 'Phase' was just a general term for LD or OBE...?

Phasing describes the method you use to access the non-physical.

While LD's and OBE' describe the experience.

Frank described it well: http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

[Rudolph]

"Phasing, therefore, entails initiating a 180-degree phase shift between the physical and the non-physical realms of reality. " (from the Kepple link)

That does not look much like a method to me. It is more like an electronic allegory for shifting to the altered state.

Phasing *is* APing.

[Xanth]

Action, not method.

Phasing is to Astral Projection as a Classic Separation OBE is to Astral Projection.
It's just the "how" we get from one area of consciousness to the other.

My apologies on my poor explanation before. 

[Stookie_]

Is any of this really an issue? Would someone really be disappointed by "phasing" rather than a more classical exit or vice-versa? I sometimes don't understand why people need things explained to them to know if they were successful or not. How can you not know? Why put your experience in someone else's box?

[Astral316]

^ Well said. Using an analogy from the "LDs are not OBEs" thread... people want to know if what they had was chicken, beef or pork. Try to think of it as one chicken cooked at varying temperatures in different ways and with different spices.

[Rudolph]

Is any of this really an issue? Would someone really be disappointed by "phasing" rather than a more classical exit or vice-versa?

When I first started to project I would either project directly to a distant place or I would pause for a short moment by my body and then shoot directly off to some destination.

I read lots of other stories when I started doing this and I wanted to understand what other people were saying and doing. It became important for me to float up to the ceiling and look back at my body lying in bed. I also wanted to explore my neighborhood.

It may not be a matter of being "disappointed" but rather a desire to understand what others are talking about.

That is why vocabulary and nomenclature are important.

[Pauli2]

Is any of this really an issue? Would someone really be disappointed by "phasing" rather than a more classical exit or vice-versa?

If u get stuck in F 22 at all times, perhaps u want to know why?

[Summerlander]

I agree with Rudolph and Stookie at the same time.

To me it's all the same. In fact, any experience involving our conscious awareness focusing on anything but the physical body can be regarded as apparently "out of body". This includes lucid dreaming too, because, it is also a dissociative experience. While dreaming in a lucid state, you do not feel like you're in your physical body at all. Instead of feeling yourself laying in bed, you experience being in other places and you can apparently move about and explore them.

I'd also like to add that it doesn't really matter if we say "inducing OOBEs", "phasing", or "entering the Phase state".

I don't think anyone can claim to fully understand the nature of such experiences. OOBEs/AP/LDs are all elusive and they are all properties of consciousness. For all we know, we are currently third-dimensional beings trying to understand our tenth-dimensional nature...

[CFTraveler]

Rudolph:

I would call that an OBE too. But why or how does feet on the floor change things?

Because walking is not something you usually do with an etheric body, unless you are nonlucid and walking is what you expect to do, as in any other dream.
I'm not disagreeing with what anyone else is saying, though.

[Rudolph]

Rudolph: Because walking is not something you usually do with an etheric body, unless you are nonlucid and walking is what you expect to do, as in any other dream.
I'm not disagreeing with what anyone else is saying, though.

Normally I just float around or fly when OBE and I am not aware of a body either. But recently I tried to feel my feet on the ground as I walked because other people report that they do this and I wanted to try it. I also wondered if it would assist as a 'deepening' technique.

Lots of people report feeling the grass between their toes when arriving at an astral park and other similar tactile experiences while OBE. It is not all that uncommon, if you ask me.

[Summerlander]

I'd like to add that the naked awareness may persist for a while after one transitions from a Mode 1 OOBE into a Mode 2 environment.

[urshebear]

WOW thanks for the reply..

First of all I want to explain my reasons for asking you about this...alot of you talk about phasing and I have read a little bit about it but don't quite understand it and I wont unless I experience it.
I know how to LD, I know how to AP (though I'm not as experienced as most of you) however I have not "phased" the way most talk about it and I want to try it because it sounds interesting...the whole noticing part etc and because I want to be able to compare it to LDs and APs to help me with my own understanding.

Agree 100% with summerlander about not underestimating lucid dreams as I too have had some very revealing ones.

@CFTraveler I nearly always roll/crawl or somersault out and I have definitely walked before but I wasn't actually watching my feet to know wether or not they were on the ground. I still had 100% awareness throughout the entire thing.

[Rudolph]

...however I have not "phased" the way most talk about it and I want to try it because it sounds interesting...the whole noticing part etc and because I want to be able to compare it to LDs and APs to help me with my own understanding.
Agree 100% with summerlander about not underestimating lucid dreams as I too have had some very revealing ones.

To me phasing and APing are the same thing. Can you give an example of "  "phased" the way most talk about it" so  can understand this better?

And yes, I have said here before that I think the LD is not just useful but often MORE instructive and revealing than a simple OBE.

[personalreality]

To me phasing and APing are the same thing. Can you give an example of "  "phased" the way most talk about it" so  can understand this better?

And yes, I have said here before that I think the LD is not just useful but often MORE instructive and revealing than a simple OBE.

it's all the same thing.  it's experiences of an inner reality at varying degrees, that's all.  nothing complicated about it.  so, i agree rudy.

[Xanth]

it's all the same thing.  it's experiences of an inner reality at varying degrees, that's all.  nothing complicated about it.  so, i agree rudy.

Yup, I'll third that.

Astral Projection = Out of body experience = Dreaming = Lucid Dreams = Phasing = Whatever name you might have for it

They're all the same thing that describe activities that don't take place in this physical reality.

[Rudolph]

I'd like to add that the naked awareness may persist for a while after one transitions from a Mode 1 OOBE into a Mode 2 environment.

What is "naked awareness"?

And I think describing the various OBE states as "experiences of an inner reality at varying degrees" is a good way to put it but using the mathematical "=" sign is going too far. They are NOT 'equal'.

I have projected into an LD and I have gotten lucid in the midst of a regular dream and I have phased into pure OBE awareness from the LD state and then phased into pure astral realm awareness, sequentially. Each state is a different level of awareness.

Regular dream ==> Lucid Dream ==> AP

They may all involve extra-physical awareness but they are each qualitatively different in significant and meaningful ways.