Have anyone tried OBE with DMT?

schockstuhh · July 19, 2011, 01:57:01

after reading this post, i decided to do a little research and found that DMT generally seems to be more of a drug that shows people how truly connected they are to everything in existence. you may experience something different though. BUT, i also read that DMT is actually released during sleep-paralysis & REM sleep. you should try inducing an OBE soberly for a month or two first. chances are you'll probably experience a spontaneous OBE within that time-frame. i still can't induce one from an awake state, but i've had numerous spontaneous, conscious experiences since. once you experience it, just remember your body was naturally releasing DMT during so you're pretty much "tripping" naturally

. if you DO decide to take it, make sure you're straight in the head, otherwise you may face mental complications coming off the drug. it won't completely prevent a bad trip from occurring, but it will highly decrease the chances of it. take this precaution for EVERY drug. i've even seen someone have something similar to a bad shroom trip off marijuana. just sayin. be careful!

Summerlander · July 19, 2011, 08:59:50

I agree with most of what you said. On the mental complications, it is not the drug, it is the individual and their frame of mind at the time. The drug merely brings to the surface what is already there. As for DMT being linked to OOBEs and being "natural trips"...that's what I've been saying all along...

personalreality · July 19, 2011, 09:37:59

I've referenced this analogy before.

Achieving OBE/AP is like climbing a mountain.

When you do it through dedicated practice, you learn the topography of the path like the back of your hand and could navigate the way "with your eyes closed", to the peak and back down the mountain.

Using hallucinogens is like strapping on a jet pack and shooting to the top. You get there, but you have no idea how you got there or how to get back down. You didn't learn anything along the way so the context of the experience is completely different. That's not to say that this experience is bad or wrong, it will just be different. However, there is also the chance of completely over-shooting the summit and winding up on the other side of the mountain (which could refer to you being in a completely different mental context after the experience, i.e. psychologically pathological....crazy).

Either way is valid because you're still getting there. However, hiking up the mountain provides you with more details and contextualizes the experience so that you have a better understanding of what it is to be on the top of the mountain. It also provides you with a "map" so that you might return to the summit anytime you choose to do so, not just when your jet pack has been refueled and tuned-up. In addition, the map you gained from hiking allows you to retain what you gathered at the summit and again, it puts it in proper context because "the journey back down" provides you with the means to assimilate the new knowledge.

NickisDank · July 20, 2011, 20:29:31

A lot of you are crazy/confused.. DMT Is a forced OBE at a decent dose..

Call it a "drug" or whatever you want, we release a certain amount of DMT every day of our lives during sleep.

Summerlander · July 21, 2011, 05:08:54

Of this I have no doubt ^^

Stillwater · July 21, 2011, 06:06:02

QuoteCall it a "drug" or whatever you want, we release a certain amount of DMT every day of our lives during sleep.

But calling it a substance endogenous to the human body does nothing to alter the claim that it is unsafe under some conditions.

We all have reasonable amounts of adrenaline from time to time, but a not-so-very-large injection of it will give you a heart attack.

The same with acetylcholine and other neurotransmitters... flooding them into the body may create temporary catatonic states or worse.

So to say that DMT is released naturally does not really say much in this context.

ether2 · July 21, 2011, 08:41:46

whilst on the subject of drugs, all will be suprised at this but those at the top top of the drug world i mean the top (worlds biggest producers/distributors) all agree that the NEW way of drug to be is the way to go, this will erradicate the so called problems associated with all drugs, and at the same time generate/create/teach people to be more aware of the minds abilities and it's workings, their will be a transitional period for the take over of all drugs...

this will not be forced(ish)(supply only probs they will have) on anyone the New Way as it's something that they the user must learn/experience themselfs (same effects-if anything better), all will follow eventually as it's a transitional period for where this world is going to go...

as their is an economy in more ways than one with drugs as it builds various processes as a whole/part for the build of the mind/economy, most leading authoritie figures are fully aware of this, it does more good than harm for those in the know of it's workings, please dont bother argueing this with me, as i know people die from this, i too know people that have left us because of drugs...

leading drug producers/distributors are mind gurus too some of the better leading mind people in the world today (and pass), this is why the drug world is so successful, they have a massive input/development of the mind as a whole/part for all, it's the economy of the minds build...

by NO means do i say have drugs to develope YOUR mind, as drugs over all have an impact as a whole more so than the individual on average...

good luck

love all

personalreality · July 21, 2011, 15:15:38

Quote from: NickisDank on July 20, 2011, 20:29:31
A lot of you are crazy/confused.. DMT Is a forced OBE at a decent dose..

Call it a "drug" or whatever you want, we release a certain amount of DMT every day of our lives during sleep.

Not necessarily denying that, but it's still not the same as a controlled and meditatively induced OBE.

c0sm0nautt · July 22, 2011, 11:32:32

Indeed. DMT may very well induce a type of OBE. But read a DMT trip report and an OBE report and you have two entirely different things. The latter being more controlled, remembered and dare I say useful? Shortcuts aren't always a good thing.\

From my research, people seem to get a lot more out of Ayahuasca than smoked DMT.

Stillwater · July 22, 2011, 16:18:38

QuoteFrom my research, people seem to get a lot more out of Ayahuasca than smoked DMT.

I also have found that seems to be the case.

Which is part of why I suggest that if you are someone who wants to get involved with that stuff, and accept the risks, you do it within the context of one of the South American traditions, and their offshoots; they know the territory, and have a better idea about precautions and safety than random folk on the street, since they have codefied their techniques over centuries.

pondini · July 22, 2011, 16:30:02

i agree that this stuff isn't for everyone. you need to crawl before you walk.

joe rogan recounts his DMT experience...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8

from what i've heard, salvia is similar to, but much weaker than DMT, yet look what it can do...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb76bpIWQPw

the best example of profound DMT experiences are at dmt-nexus (i think you have to register to read them, but it is definitely worth the effort) and in the documentary The Spirit Molecule.

dotster · July 22, 2011, 19:48:25

Quote from: pondini on July 22, 2011, 16:30:02
from what i've heard, salvia is similar to, but much weaker than DMT, yet look what it can do...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb76bpIWQPw

similar in that it is a hallucinogen sure, but after smoking DMT your body is put to sleep, you do not move. for something like this to happen on DMT someone would have to come pick you up and throw you out of the window. so yes this could happen if you surround yourself with people that get rowdy

Lexy · July 23, 2011, 00:48:50

you know...galatamine works & it's legal...just FYI

Lionheart · July 23, 2011, 01:07:15

I just today watched a fascinating youtube video named The 2012 Enigma by David Wilcock. He speaks of DMT and Pineal Gland in a very informative way. He has truly put a lifes research into this subject. A must see for all the great science minds of this site. The presentation goes into Astral Travel as well. The presentation has 10 nine minute plus parts to it. He is also about to release a brand new video on youtube named Convergence sometime this month.

c0sm0nautt · July 23, 2011, 01:23:55

Convergence is a Hollywood movie that won't be out for some time.

Landshark · July 23, 2011, 01:35:03

Some people believe that drugs are gateways to other dimensions. Drugs such as DMT and Salvia and LSD and others. really, these just get your brain hallucinating and your imagination gets so vivid that your brain cannot tell the difference between reality and its imagination. Trust me, DMT is one hell of a drug, but would not help you AP. Salvia on the other hand, was used by ancient americans to have visions and meet spirits believed to be associated with the astral. But you're best bet is to do it through means of meditation.

astraladdict · July 23, 2011, 01:47:51

I actually want to try to ayahuasca. I have parent permission.. but they want to ask a doctor first if it's safe >.< FML! lol

~astraladdict

Lionheart · July 23, 2011, 02:28:34

You are correct, Convergence is a movie to be released some time later on in the year. His new youtube video to be out by the end of the month is "The Source Field Investigations". It was filmed at the Boston Convergence and is now in post-production. This info comes straight from his most current blog, dated Friday, July 22nd 2011.

Stillwater · July 23, 2011, 06:41:38

QuoteI just today watched a fascinating youtube video named The 2012 Enigma by David Wilcock. He speaks of DMT and Pineal Gland in a very informative way. He has truly put a lifes research into this subject. A must see for all the great science minds of this site. The presentation goes into Astral Travel as well. The presentation has 10 nine minute plus parts to it. He is also about to release a brand new video on youtube named Convergence sometime this month.

You have to be really careful with people like Wilcock. He throws pretty much everything out there at once into the hall, free-for-all fashion; he also has a very bad habit of presenting suppositions and leaps of faith as facts. I am not saying some of the things he says are not true, but I think it is damn-near impossible that everything he says at once could be possibly all be true; therefore, every element of what he says must be suspect, and so I would only use him as a source of awareness of ideas, not support of any idea.

c0sm0nautt · July 23, 2011, 09:11:13

The Source Field Investigations is actually a book coming out in August.

c0sm0nautt · July 23, 2011, 09:13:14

Quote from: Landshark on July 23, 2011, 01:35:03
Some people believe that drugs are gateways to other dimensions. Drugs such as DMT and Salvia and LSD and others. really, these just get your brain hallucinating and your imagination gets so vivid that your brain cannot tell the difference between reality and its imagination. Trust me, DMT is one hell of a drug, but would not help you AP. Salvia on the other hand, was used by ancient americans to have visions and meet spirits believed to be associated with the astral. But you're best bet is to do it through means of meditation.

How can you tell the difference between a "hallucination" and reality? Why would DMT be a hallucination and AP not? DMT, like Salvia, was used by past cultures as well.

ether2 · July 23, 2011, 11:16:54

hay c0smo...

i have to give ya some advice regarding your signature that you kindly quoted from one of my post...

you see your going to make me look like you are one of my greatest fans, i cant have that, as i dont like fans...

so for you, i kindly remind people what you really thought of my post,

"Yea, I put that quote in my signature because I found it hilarious, not serious. - ether2"

could you please put a sarcastic comment after - ether2...

thanx for your co-operation

...

good luck

love all

c0sm0nautt · July 23, 2011, 11:34:25

Sure thing.

Astral316 · July 23, 2011, 11:54:59

Quote from: ether2 on July 23, 2011, 11:16:54
you see your going to make me look like you are one of my greatest fans, i cant have that, as i dont like fans...

Awww for realz? There goes my plans for an ether2 fan club and subsequent newsletter/bumper sticker.

personalreality · July 23, 2011, 13:13:39

man, i just registed www.ether2rules.com too!!

screw you ether, i'm keeping the website.

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