i have a propositions!!!!!!:)

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Drugs can give some indication of the feeling when out but they control you. I wouldn't consider them at all as useful.
Would you run a race to get first place wrapped in a straight jacket?
Thought not you know you'd be a loser.
The message is clear.
No drugs no bugs.
Safe travels.

[Lionheart]

 There is an area in the Astral Plane known as Focus 22 that Bob Monroe and Frank Kepple wrote about where you find people that are currently either insane, drunk or totally stoned out of their minds. I visited there last week for the first time ever and I will tell it's definitely not a pretty sight.

[greencrisis]

Ryan you are 17 years of age and do not know anything about drugs yet. Stop them before it is too late. I am 47 and have seen many people attempt what you are doing right now. They use these drugs as a way to see things differently, as an experiment, but that will definitely lead to disaster. There have been actual acclaimed Scientists that worked with DMT/LSD and drugs of that kind that fell into the same loop as well. Those drugs are incredibly powerful and will leave a lasting effect on you. Most people I saw that experimented like you are now ending up either committing suicide or being institutionalized. We had a guy when I was in High School that had the highest IQ out of everyone. He started messing around with Acid/DMT/Mushrooms, you could see he was always in another world. Then his eyes started showing it, they were constantly red, he then started having bouts of nausea, which sometimes led to vomiting right in the classroom. His next effect from this was death, he committed suicide 2 weeks later.  Don't mess with them.

Your story sounds like the typical anti drug propaganda i use to hear back when i was in school. Either way nothing is always good in excess.

[Darklon]

Is not propaganda if it's true.

[Shivers]

There is an area in the Astral Plane known as Focus 22 that Bob Monroe and Frank Kepple wrote about where you find people that are currently either insane, drunk or totally stoned out of their minds. I visited there last week for the first time ever and I will tell it's definitely not a pretty sight.

Was it an Obe "destination" that just happened?  I've never heard about different planes/focuses before I joined up here, but will try and avoid something like this if possible 
Am now totally curious to ask what you saw, Lionheart.  But if you don't wish to share, that's ok.

[Lionheart]

 In my Phase, I ended up in a land where everyone I saw was either walking in circles, spasming on the ground or just sitting there with their heads violently vibrating. I walked up to one person, it was hard to tell whether it was male or female because of the vibrations were so violent. I grasped onto it's head and pulled her out of her body. That was incredibly weird. It caught me off guard so I ended up back in my physical body again. After I logged about the experience in my journals I went to do a google search on Focus Levels, as I had read in the past somewhere about an area in the Astral that was similar to the area I had seen. If I have the choice again I will choose not to experience that again, once was enough. That's just like a long time ago I was watching a show on TV where they were searching for unsolved mysteries, these had to do with violent deaths. So, after the program I used the info told on the show to see what I could find, that adage "be careful what you wish for" definitely has merit. After one Phase session on that I never had any intent what so ever to experience that again.

[Darklon]

Lionheart, you should try to help those people 

[Shivers]

This gave me chills.
Ha, makes me wonder-maybe some of these people are travellers who simply may not know what to do during an obe?
I've wandered in circles sometimes while stuck in 3d blackness.  Just I didn't know there may have been a way out.

[urshebear]

Lionheart maybe she came out of body because when you see somebody who is delusional or who is having drug induced delusions they are in fact still in body.
One of my friends said to me the other day "I wouldn't completely discount what a crazy person says. If they are saying or seeing "crazy" stuff it is infact real to them whether the delusions come from their subconscious or something else"

Lionheart, you should try to help those people 

Agree it would be cool to try but would you get anywhere? I imagine the task would be very draining. If I was advanced enough to get to places like this I would like to try too.

[Lionheart]

 In my Phase session, I had put both my hands around her head and pulled. Why I did that or how I got that idea is beyond me. Once I did I could see it was a female. This was definitely a new scene to me. I never felt like I was in danger, it's just the whole thing freaked me out. When I finished my Phase I just sat there and thought what the hell was that.
Then my ever analytical side took over and said I need to find out where that was. It didn't seem to draining at all, it just spooked me. I guess I should go back there again and learn more. But, I will never try to find another person that has been brutally murdered again, that was not a scene anyone wants to experience. The only thing that would come out of that is finding the truth of the death, but then what, tell their family and look like a quack? No thanks, I prefer to do my work in private. I don't need any "hero cookie' or medal, that's ego and I have no use for it.

[dotster]

Guys I need a website to look at I finally tried my first psychedelic LSA took 12 of seeds I felt full body effects but no visuals why could this be is there like a genetic trait that could make visuals not happen?? I do have sensitive cb receptors on an extreme level maybe it could explain thus too??

What kind of seeds did you eat? If you ingested morning glory you need way more than 12 seeds to trip, you need closer to 200-300 and I would either extract the LSA with petroleum or grind the seeds up really fine with a coffee grinder or mortal and pestle if you want to be old school about it. If you took HBR you only need around 12 seeds but you don't actually eat the seeds, you open up the pod and you scrape off the brown crap inside and ingest that.

Not that I recommend drugs and all that blah blah blah

[psychedelia]

12 grams of seeds like 30-40 seeds in a gram is what i think a came up with. and hbwr you prepare the seeds by scraping the out side fuzzy junk off lightly burning left overs with a lighter then eat and ingest or chew and spit out or do an extraction tek......i know how to take them

[Darklon]

With those morning glories you should wash off the chemical preservatives that are on them so you don't feel sick after you eat/drink them depending on your method of injestion. I usually just swallowed them down because I didn't want the LSA to hit the light.