It's cool , but ... ?

[LeanLow]

Hey , question about astral projection , can you spy or see someone while astral projecting and what is happening while you see will be real what those persons do ? (not because i want to spy or anything , i just want to know if what you see is real not in your head but real 'in reality' ,i guess not because people would exploit that for their own benefit ) . Have anyone tried writing random numbers on a pieces of paper than drawing random number and leaving it on the table without looking at it , than while astral projecting looking at that number ? That would be interesting . All in all AP is something that i would like to experience and i doesn't matter if it's real or only in my head .

[AstralJames]

People say that you can see what is happening in real time, but I haven't had much experience with AP. My friend that has AP often told me that he saw what happened in real time, and I believe him 100% but the only way to know for sure is if you see it yourself. Keep practicing!

[desert-rat]

DickSutphen says you can go any where you want  while out of body    .  http://www.richardsutphen.com/   desert rat

[LeanLow]

Well if you really can see it in real time , then i know ways that you can make a lot of money  . But i don't believe  that you can see it in real time .I'm very skeptical person , i don't believe horoscopes and other stuff like that. I believe in rational thinking and science  . I will try to write number on the paper and leave it in some place without me knowing the written number and test it myself tho .

[fuzzywuzzy]

There have supposedly been studies where participants were able to do this. In my own experience, things in RTZ are really really weird and that's normal. I think the reason is because your thoughts and emotions become reality, so if you don't have much control over yourself and your thoughts, you could really distort the RTZ. If you want to prove it, you can only prove it to yourself by doing it.

[LeanLow]

There have supposedly been studies where participants were able to do this. In my own experience, things in RTZ are really really weird and that's normal. I think the reason is because your thoughts and emotions become reality, so if you don't have much control over yourself and your thoughts, you could really distort the RTZ. If you want to prove it, you can only prove it to yourself by doing it.

Link of studies article

P.S People on other forums that don't involve pseudoscience stuff proved that seeing in real time is impossible . But still the feeling is awesome , i will try it.

[Volgerle]

P.S People on other forums that don't involve pseudoscience stuff proved that seeing in real time is impossible . But still the feeling is awesome , i will try it.

what is pseudoscience? if the results do not fit in our worldview??

vast parapsychological research in especially Remote Viewing, plus many OBEs that took place during NDEs (see the vast literature with many evidence on this) prove that it IS possible to 'view' into the real-time zone and bring back valuable data to check on

[LeanLow]

what is pseudoscience? if the results do not fit in our worldview??

vast parapsychological research in especially Remote Viewing, plus many OBEs that took place during NDEs (see the vast literature with many evidence on this) prove that it IS possible to 'view' into the real-time zone and bring back valuable data to check on

It's hard to critique/judge something that you haven't experienced yourself (i'm talking about myself) , once/if i experience it in future , i will have some sort of conception of it , then i will have my own assumptions . As of now i believe that OBE is possible , but that you can't see in real time , and about remote viewing ,i think rational  it's not possible , because if someone would know how to do that they would take advantage of it for their own purposes as i would like to say there would be 'glitch in the system' , but what am i talking about the idea itself seems absurd to me .

[Szaxx]

Your opinion counts but be aware that others may differ.
I don't believe apples fall to the ground.
Both opinions are debatable. One we really know the answer to.
The other some know the answer to.
Learn the art and then you'll have a different opinion.
Use the art for learning by all means. Use it for greed or the like and it just might bite back.
Respect where its due, we play with toys, this is no toy.
See you out there.

[Astralzombie]

It's hard to critique/judge something that you haven't experienced yourself (i'm talking about myself) , once/if i experience it in future , i will have some sort of conception of it , then i will have my own assumptions . As of now i believe that OBE is possible , but that you can't see in real time , and about remote viewing ,i think rational  it's not possible , because if someone would know how to do that they would take advantage of it for their own purposes as i would like to say there would be 'glitch in the system' , but what am i talking about the idea itself seems absurd to me .

It's beyond cool, there is no but.

You should have a skeptical mind if you have no personal experience. That should be true for everyone. It's crazy to me that some people just flat out believe anything and have no personal experience. This applies to skeptics that deny everything because they rationalize everything for the sake of keeping there world in a nice neat package.

[enlightnd]

Iv also wondered this, I will defiantly be experimenting myself as no one else here wants to say if they have tried this or not.. I think its harder to project into the RTZ tho..? You here a few people say they actually 'roll out' of there physical body or float up and find them selves looking back at there real body laying there sleeping, So that my friend is projecting into the RTZ!  

I don't think you could use this to see the lottery numbers anyways (just guessing here) as i don't think you can see into the future in the RTZ, Plus the future is constantly changing.

[justin35ll]

I usually always pick a random card from a shuffled deck and place it on top of a high shelf in my livingroom. It's basically always there so every time I get obe I can try to verify the card. I have come extremely close a few times, but haven't actually gotten the right card yet flawlessly. Some recent examples are..

NPMR card - Red 7 of hearts, PMR it was red 7 or diamonds
NPMR card - It changed from a Red queen to a Red jack of hearts, PMR it was Red jack of hearts
NPMR card - Black 2 of spades, PMR it was Black 10 of spades

I've been doing this experiment for years and I've realized you really need a clear, open, and focused mind to get somewhat accurate results. I like to make sure I am in control of the obe before I go looking at the card otherwise I will see a bunch of random numbers on the card.

I started doing this experiment with the intent to verify the existence of the NPMR. I've realized since, that this is not the correct way to go about doing it so now I just do it for kicks and giggles. I know that the existence of the NPMR is real because of all my other experiences and being able to compare them with other peoples experiences.
I still find it fun and entertaining though so that's why I continue to do it.

[Szaxx]

@ Enlightnd,
Find 'Just a dream' and have a read.
Check the dates and newspapers a week later. 

[embrace]

Yes, it is possible. BUT...there's always a BUT I've done experiments (similar to what justin35 describes) that showed that you CAN perceive the reality in real time, but some of the experiments showed completely the oposite. I don't know why it happens, but some OOBE seem to be more accurate that the others.

[enlightnd]

Well there you go, Very cool Szaxx! Im surprised by something every time i check the pulse, Its the best!

@ justin35ll, Thats great! This is what i wanted to here, Some experiments, You are very close! Keep it up.

And yes it would just be fun for yourself, Even being as close as you are would be a buzz! 

[LeanLow]

So i read some stuff on this forum , are people for real More than half people on this forum are mentally ill .

[Szaxx]

Rofl 90% of the world is.
This place is sane by comparison.
Give a few examples.

[desert-rat]

So i read some stuff on this forum , are people for real More than half people on this forum are mentally ill .

What are you basing this on ? Do you have a problem with astral projection ? There have been a few posts made by new members that dont alwayse make scense . To a few members English is a secound lang. , but they can usly get there point across . Me ? I am a bad speller .  I have also made a post or two after a can or three of beer , and will explane later . I have been acused of being a bot ( computer program ) a couple of times .  I am a real human, with out mental illness . desert rat

[enlightnd]

So i read some stuff on this forum , are people for real More than half people on this forum are mentally ill .

LOL. I would like to no also, I too am guilty of dribbling some scrabble after a few too many beers, Whats your description of mentally ill? Because iv read ALOT of different things on this forum and thats the last two words that i would ever use.

Are you directing it at Stories from peoples projections? I no they can be pretty wild, But its no different to what any normal sane person doesn't do every single night while they sleep, whether there conscious off it is the only difference.

[LeanLow]

People talking about magick like it's real excrement , one dude talking about some place where they could meet in astral and then showing his youtube videos with telekinesis , other schizophrenic talking about what he's seeing ...  Damn ... Some people need genuine help because it's not even funny .

[Szaxx]

Lean low, you're the perfect candidate to learn the art. You'll need to be open minded and ready to accept things really strange as part of the learning.
Are you up for it?
Being a skeptic is a brilliant start.

[LeanLow]

Lean low, you're the perfect candidate to learn the art. You'll need to be open minded and ready to accept things really strange as part of the learning.
Are you up for it?
Being a skeptic is a brilliant start.

I believe that astral projection experience are possible , i'm don't think that you can see in real time what is happening in real world while you are in astral  , and even thinking about telekinesis is an insult to my intelligence , i mean , cmon , really ? if you believe in that type of sh1t then you are a lunatic and you are possible of believe in even worse things , people like that usually join sects and cults . I don't get whats the point of faking telekinesis , do people feel better after fooling a person who is not so well mentally gifted ? There was a test on some bodybuilding forum , a guy wrote a word with five letters and put in on his window told where he lives etc , the asked for those who know AP to quess the words , 50 ppl~ quessed wrong more than 30+ really genuinely believed that they saw the correct word , no one guessed the right word as it was not 5 but actually more letters , so there are a lot of crazy folks out there .Next about desert rat , yes you seem like a guy who is marketing some AP and other stuff like that , you wrote here "DickSutphen says you can go any where you want  while out of body " - i mean , what That would be like , i come to a shop and ask for a sails person to show me where the food sector is and the answer would be "The president of USA is Obama" , you get my point . You said "DickSutphen says you can go any where you want  while out of body " and the point  ?? I need to except it something ? .So yes ,by judging of what you have written on that post i think that you are a promoter human or bot doesn't matter . People in general are naive and very easily manipulative . I'm say that i don't think that you can see in real time with AP or that AP is another realm  , but that doesn't make it true or that it's not possible , i'm don't denying  other options blindly , i just think that it's not possible. And people who are saying that AP is another realm or that it's in real time and wouldn't think otherwise for example that it's something in your brains that is happening and make you see be in AP state (note the same effect is when you are on LSD) are just stupid and not worth even debating . People  like running from their problems and "closing in theirselfs" , people are smoking and don't think about the consequences , because they want to feel "it" now that the later don't matter the same if for drugs . While you are in AP you want to believe it's real because thats the feeling of  something from out of this world and it seems very real (example it's like finding that hogwarts is real , that would be cool wouldn't it? I'm generalizing here but, put in the word "hogwarts" the thing that you are fan of or you would like it to be reality . You know what i mean ...), but even scientists don't know even 1% of the human capability and inside structure of how brains work . Well , it's impossible (to my knowledge) that at this time its proven by science that AP is only in your brain and not the other realm as science reject all those sort of things , but the current proofs are not 100% and lacks information . Well ok , as for people who believe that it's in real time , you believe it blindly or did you prove it to yourself , i'm not asking you to prove anything to me , prove it to yourself , or are you just to scared of something and it's fine for you how it is and you believe it . You ask me how can i prove that to myself ? Well write a random digit and a letter on a papers then draw one paper without looking at it and put in near you while you are in AP you will be able to see it woun't you ? And this is nobrainer "proof to yourself" test, well for me it would be "nobrainer"  test because i would like to proof that to myself if i believe that you can see in real time while in AP . As i'm finishing my speech , i'm starting to think why i even wrote that much , people don't seek the truth give them beer and games , that's all they need . (I'm talking metaphorically here) . Well ok .. I would be glad to hear thoughts of what i have written here from someone who is not delusional . (Pardon for my gramma) .

P.S People don't be naive , don't believe anything blindly what you hear or read , and don't be delusional people that i mentioned or people like arrogant scientists (don't get me started how many times in history science failed and one theories changed the other) so even science can not be 100% 'legit' sometimes. I will tell you one secret , there could be things that you blindly believe or think that something is unquestionable and undisputed truth , but guess what , it's not always as you think it is .

[Szaxx]

Interesting mindset, its quite real too. Have a read and see if this opens up any questions, sane ones that is.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/just_a_dream-t36961.0.html

[LeanLow]

Interesting mindset, its quite real too. Have a read and see if this opens up any questions, sane ones that is.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/just_a_dream-t36961.0.html

Questions ? No questions , i see no point in questions  you unconsciously are looking something to link your visions/dream to the real events that are happening afterwards - you find what you look for ,  it's a law of nature, also  your dreaming / visions are unclear , what's the benefit of it for you or society ? Besides that you think it makes you special . Even if your dreams / visions was clear and the same thing happened in reality , and after some time you get confident and 100 % knew that what you see in visions will happen in future and you knew the date , location etc , the only thing you could do is - Don't be on that place (if it's something tragic etc...) , or make a money in equity market or find some way of making money , that's it ... No one would believe you even if you said that something tragic will happen in the future , and even if they believed in you and in time society would see that you see future event's , you would be killed , by killed i mean captured and imprisoned by secret agencies for their benefit .  I got to far ...

[Szaxx]

Been there with the authorities. Previous ones were an absolute replica down to the blades of grass. 100% accurate, these people died and the numbers are over thousands if you count them all. It was a long time ago and I managed some control since.
Yep it was heartbreaking too.
Another thread 'NMPR's ending in death',  find this and have a read too.