I've reached my limit...Enough is enough...

[beavis]

U speak as if humans were capable off agreeing on a standard rational language (which english is n0t). If evrybudy nos wut it meens, wy duz it n33d 2 b changd?

[Fat_Turkey]

Great post. Learn some english for christ's sake.

Oh and, how the hell can people take you seriously if you can't spell or use grammar properly?

I mean, how many retarded girls have you met online who talk like that, and they end up being materialistic bimboes with no other purpose in life other than to screw boys and be popular.

I agree with Squeek. Enough is ENOUGH!! This is a site about astral things, metaphysical things, etc., not f*ggin "i'm a pyro look at me i'm so cool cuz i cant spel"

First the ki krowd, now this.

The Astral Pulse is tainted...

~FT

[Fat_Turkey]

Okay, let us see WHY it is so necessary beavis...

First off, notice what happens in your mind when you read. That's right, internal dialogue. It recites it back to you in a voice that you give to the person who wrote it, or the person who is speaking in a story.

Now, as sun as u strt 2 tlk lik dis, that internal dialogue gives you the voice of a retard. It's usually stupid bimboes who talk like this to me, so I always seem to have the image of a materialistic B*TCH in mind when a girl talks to me like that. Not a very nice first impression. And as you know, first impressions are VERY important.

I mean, do you want to look respectable to a rich crowd by wearing sleezy or even homeless-people clothes? Same's with typing. If you want to be taken seriously, present yourself as at least a decently literate person, not some protard who will never be taken seriously, simply because of his typing.

Look at those ki sites. More than half of them have the spelling of 4 year olds, and their grammar is even worse. Sure, there could be some kids who really want to make a difference, but will they be taken seriously? No.

You think Robert Monroe and Robert Bruce would be so renowned for their research if dey talkd like dis? Don't think so.

~FT

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Ok i agree with you on the bad context of posts, but i think you might be holding too high an expectation of your fellow board members with the spelling. Sure replacing words with numbers and stuff is annoying, but the more understandable mistakes (they're/there/their) i think are completely acceptable. Remember, not everybody on these boards are English experts and there are some who don't even have English as a first language.

Having said that, there is also one common grammatical mistake that REALLY gets to me as well.
It's NOT "i could care less"
It IS "i couldn't care less"

"I could care less" implies that you really could care less about the subject than you actually do, which means that that you actually do care about it to some extent.

"I couldn't care less" means that there is no caring going on at all.

Yes i'm a hypocrite, but i just HAD to point that out. It drives me insane!

Edited for spelling mistakes [] (the ones i could see anyway)

[PyroPsion69]

Reminds me of a rant on Maddox's site about how the average intelligence level of the average computer user is dropping like a rock.
http://maddox.xmission.com/aliens.html
Funny site, makes you look at a lof of things for what they really are. I don't understand all this abbreviation at all. I mean things like LOL and GTG are acceptable, most of the time I don't feel like writing out Laugh Out Loud, and it just sounds weird. But with all the little letter abbreviations, I had a race with one of those people who do that, typing a paragraph, them using the abbreviations and me typing normally, and I beat them. I say if you're going to use a keyboard for that much of your waking hours of life you should get an idea on how to use it. It's also great practice for typing essays, and I don't think you will get the job interview with "20 resuns y i am a gud wrkr an u shuld hir me it wll b gr8!!!"

[Risu no Kairu]

Oh, my God, Squeek! I love you whole-heartedly! I completely agree with you. I just can't stand when people type like that. I mean, come on... We go to school and learn this stuff for a reason. The Internet seems to be the biggest reason, so far, but people slack off and say things like "im not n skewl i don ned 2 use proper english," and boy, do I wish I could just smack some sense into them.


Well, since you're going to get some of the people who do type like that to yell at you (well, that's what has happened on everyother forum I've been on when someone rants like this, but this forum is different, so it might not happen), I'll start:

Oh, by the way, uh, aren't proper nouns supposed to be capitalized? Aren't proper nouns the names of things, places, or people? Isn't a language a thing? Oh, so, then, uh, wouldn't it be "English?"

"Word." Hmm. I get a "W" sound when I say that word. Why'd you put an "an" in front of it?

People can never let your minor mistakes slip by when they foresee your actions as a direct assault upon their foundation.

[Nick]

Thanks for the topic Squeek. I do agree that using proper grammar is the way to go. There are a number of reasons for this of course, not the least of which is to properly convey what one is trying to say.

In the environment of school or the workplace it is very important. Just how well you succeed can rest heavily on writing and communication skills. Why not work on improving those skills here as well?


All the best,

[Rob]

Oh please, chill out! Language is a tool to get what you are saying across to the other person/people. If job has been achieved, nomatter how much "language" is truly used, who cares? And what does it bother you if those people really CANT spell?? So long as you can vaguely understand them......although you sound like you dont want to know what they are saying anyway........

c u l8r!

R

[jc84corvette]

Too fuc*ing bad.

1. This is the net! ITs not a classroom where we all must be gramaticly correct!

2. As long as it is readable, its fine!

3. Im sorry if other people and I do not have the time to post a 4 paragraph reply. Reasons are we do not have that much content or its just opinion.

If you can not tolerate this, then too bad! People that type correctly are a minority online. Visit other forums, there are few people that type right.

Also about IM's. I wont type correctly in a IM. Its just dumb. You type like How r u doing man?


I get a 96 in English. Think I use all 'em skills online? NO.

[Mustardseed]

Personally I think it is about time that you literalists start realizing that the alphabet is not absolute.!!!I am presently researching the alternative interpretation of it and have found out that the literal interpretation is a modern and very narrow minded approach. Words like Dude bum and chick and yo has alternative meanings and it is clear that this alternative meaning is the ONLY way to use the alphabet, if one wants to reach a deeper meaning of the language that is.

Take fx for an example YO ! There was a time that yo was used only in the word YO-YO. The YO-YO was an ancient device used mainly in Coca Cola (ancient beverage)  sponsored contests to prove manhood, and it became a cultural phenomena in  past times. When the tradition died out as new forms of entertainment became more the norm, MTV comes to mind here, the word "YO" emerged instead, as a common form of greeting , often with either hostile intent, such as "yo my man, watsup!!!" (threat), or the feminine "Yo boy, watsup!!" (sexual connotation) .

To this day it is common to see especially younger members of society using this term and , still flicking their right or left hand with their thum, pointing and little finger downwards, as if spinning an ancient "YO YO" in their ancient rituel manhood contests.

All this goes to prove that the language evolutes and cannot be taken literal, not even the spelling of it. I sure hope you will start to see the wisdom of my interpretation, and embrace the truth and start to use this knowledge to expand your vocablary. The Alphabeth and language is much greater and vastly more complex than you imagine, and infact you can make up your own language if you want to. Your own universe in which YOU alone decides what a spade is!!!A spade is not nessesarily a spade. Nor is a shovel always a shovel. If you choose to change things around and substitute some words and meanings of words you alone will be a master and God of your language. The only problem is noone will understand you as they also have their own languages. The other night fx I took my wife out and ordered in Mustardseedish (my language) 2 steaks and fries, but the waiter brought me 5 oven fried forks and 2 roasted monark butterflies. However this is a small price to pay for being able to say

"I make my own rules and no one tells me what anything means"

With all the best as you expand your horizon and develope your own unique language and become the creator of "SQUEEKISH"

Regards Mustardseed []

[Squeek]

It's sad to think that it's true...

That proper grammar has become the "minority" online.

quote:1. This is the net! ITs not a classroom where we all must be gramaticly correct!

2. As long as it is readable, its fine!

3. Im sorry if other people and I do not have the time to post a 4 paragraph reply. Reasons are we do not have that much content or its just opinion.

If you can not tolerate this, then too bad! People that type correctly are a minority online. Visit other forums, there are few people that type right.

Also about IM's. I wont type correctly in a IM. Its just dumb. You type like How r u doing man?

1. It's a classroom setting to me... I mean you've got the people interested in learning, and the people that supply the information.  How is this not a classroom setting?  Sure, it isn't your school, but you aren't competing for grades here.  You're competing for credibility.  In recent days you and beavis have immensely lost all credibility you once had.  Sorry if this comes as a shock to you both.

2. As long as it's readable?  "thsisi barley rdabl 2 me."  Why are we conforming to this in the first place?  This is the reason I have put my foot down on this issue.  I'm done with being forced to know two different versions of English!  I want to know the one and only version: The right one.

3. Don't have time?!  What's stopping you?!  I share the internet with my sister.  It's a 28.8 modem.  I go so slow that it takes at least 50 seconds to open a single page on this site.  Any pictures, and it doubles the time.

Follow-up.  This place used to be one of those places that people used English the way it was meant to be used.  Somehow within the last 5 months it has all dramatically dropped to the other end of the spectrum.  And I hope the "You" referred to the general public, and not to me, because you've talked to me on AIM and you know I do not do that.

Like I said, it shouldn't bother me, but it does.

And Risu, thanks for pointing out my errors.  Proves to you that I'm not perfect, but I strive to be.

Let's see some more posts [] Particularly about how this all came about.  I want to see if other people think the same thing I do.

~Squeek

[Nay]

Well, I am ALMOST too scared to post ever again!  

I make mistakes all the time, you know this Squeek, we chat alot!  But does that make me a idiot or not a good human being?  And I like using LOL!......and my dots.....don't forget my dots!!!

Eh, whatever.. I hope you will chat with me still, even tho I make the exact mistakes that you put in your post..

*walks away, feeling pretty low about herself*

Nay []

[jc84corvette]

Dots? You mean periods?

[Nay]

Hehehe..yes..duh, it is a inside joke between Squeek and I [}:)]

[Jeff_Mash]

Not to jump on the bandwagon, but I agree wholeheartedly.  Let me preface this by saying that there's a difference between an accidental spelling error, and intentionally typing like a monkey.

I don't mind when people spell certain things wrong (like there, their, etc) because sometimes English is their second language.  It's when people say "4" instead of "four," "wtevr" instead of "whatever," etc.  That is what bugs me.

And one more thing which no one else has mentioned.  It's somewhat annoying when people make a long post, and they don't use a single friggin' carriage return.  To put it more bluntly, USE THE ENTER KEY!

I like reading people's posts and trying to help, but to be honest, when I see someone with a question and their post is half a page long with no new paragraphs, I simply skip it.  Plain and simple.  Why?  Well, call me shallow, but it's too exhausting for me to read this huge block of text without some kind of nice formatting.  I would rather spend my time contributing to other threads which are easier to read.

Just my 4 cents.

[Ceriel N]

Mongoose in plural is polygoose.

One thing that really bothers me is when people write in ALL CAPS. (Then the when pointed out, replied to with "sry didnt see") The little voice in my head is shouting when I read it, and eventually I get a headache.
Another thing is the broken punctuation, Return, Shift/Cpas Lock key. The entire message is one long sentence without any interruption, and as a result the little voice in my head suffocates! [!]

Oh, and I've got a license to screw this crud up since I'm not a native English speaker. []

[beavis]

squeek 1. It's a classroom setting to me... I mean you've got the people interested in learning

We are learning the new uses of letters and words.

2. As long as it's readable? "thsisi barley rdabl 2 me." Why are we conforming to this in the first place? This is the reason I have put my foot down on this issue. I'm done with being forced to know two different versions of English! I want to know the one and only version: The right one.

ths is, not thsisi, because it doesnt make the sounds of the words. Its barely readable for the same reason foreign languages are barely readable, because you rarely see them. You think english is better because its used by many people, but its a crappy language and should be changed.

3. Don't have time?! What's stopping you?! I share the internet with my sister. It's a 28.8 modem. I go so slow that it takes at least 50 seconds to open a single page on this site. Any pictures, and it doubles the time.

i Hav tym, but eye chose not 2 use it to standardize my responses.

[Ceriel N]

What about eloquence? The English language can be made quite beautiful if you put some time and effort into it.

[James S]

Squeek - well said!!!

Emoticons aside, the best way to convey thoughts and feeling in writing is through correct and proper use of ones native written langueage. To be thoughtfull of grammar, punctuation & spelling shows that you have an intellect capable of conveying your ideas and emotions clearly  thoughtfully.

This is a FORUM, not a CHAT ROOM!

For ideas to be discussed and debated properly people need to know what it is other people are talking about.

It is our written language that forms the foundation for the communication of knowledge. It is a valuable tool. More so if it is used properly. The internet and email should not bee seen as excuses for lazyness here. Rhetoric changes as the years go by, but correct spelling and sentence structure shouldn't.

James.

[Mustardseed]

My goodness I feel like I am bach in school. []

[Squeek]

Thanks for all the awesome people who think this is a problem that have replied!  You rock.

Beavis - It's not just the fact that you can remove some vowels in words to "simplify" it, it's that the word changes meaning when you do so.  I pronounce words the way they are written.

Two buh are not two buh.  (2 b r not 2 b)

You cannot use a B alone in this context.  Since this is incomprehensible, I must pronounce it the way I see fit.

buh four oo ih ee dant ivve key err (b 4 u i y dont ive c r)

That's how I pronounce your letters.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

Look.  I realize that some people just don't have a lot to write about.. but I'm asking if we could just make it relevant and readable.  I see these posts and I just skip over them, because I know the person has no valid input, and reading it will only further my annoyance with them.

It shouldn't have gotten this way.  Nobody should have these "simplifications".  (Note how I always say this in quotes.  I say this because what is "simpler" for you is actually much harder for me.  It's not easy breaking the rules of English.)

I don't want to blame this on age or maturity, I want to blame it on the Internet.

~Squeek

PS - If anybody was ever wondering about my colors, it signifies that I have spent the time to type out the post, and had some extra time to add in a bit of flair to the message.

[cinnabardk]

English is one of my non-native languages. I learn English by reading English. Ever since logging on to this forum, my English skills have deteriorated. Consequently, I now skip posts with a lot of errors.

What kind of attitude do you "don't give a f*ck cuz i can spell correctly if i want to but i don't care" people convey to the kids and foreigners on this forum learning English ?

If you have something important to say, it's probably worthwhile making sure that it is also understood. If not, how can you expect a fruitful discussion ?

Here's some useful links:
http://dictionary.reference.com/
http://www.spellcheck.net/

Thanks for bringing up the topic, Squeek !

[rodentmouse]

A lot of you really have no clue who I really am..what makes me tick, how I operate.    

^ arrogant

mobile phones and chatrooms are to  blame for all this shorthand english,  its ok to  use as a  quicker way  of communicating, i mean  who wants to  keep typing "hello,  where are you from, i am from england"   whenever they speak to anyone  new,  this shorthand is just a natural progression in digital communication, and thats ok.

BUT.. when it begins to pollute "proper"  english thats when its irritating.   I see advertisments in the street, completely  unrelated to mobile  phones  but will still use mobile shorthand (some  kind of loan offer like "u in need of a loan".  This shorthand is becoming a more mainstream use of communication than proper english.

no use complaining about it though. As  long as what  we mean to communicate gets communicated, i think thats all that matters.

[General-Army]

typing without using proper english is much quiker. Id rather be able to talk to someone online in a few seconds rather then a few minutes. Its trying to send the person the message as quik as possible and try to make it almost as quik as actualy speaking to the person. Also, theres really no reason for proper english online, maybe when talking to strangers or to people who are in higher rank then you such as bosses and teachers, but not when talking to friends or joking around. Or even when the on the internet, all that matters is the point gets across.

[jc84corvette]

quote:Originally posted by Jeff_Mash

Not to jump on the bandwagon, but I agree wholeheartedly.  Let me preface this by saying that there's a difference between an accidental spelling error, and intentionally typing like a monkey.

I don't mind when people spell certain things wrong (like there, their, etc) because sometimes English is their second language.  It's when people say "4" instead of "four," "wtevr" instead of "whatever," etc.  That is what bugs me.

And one more thing which no one else has mentioned.  It's somewhat annoying when people make a long post, and they don't use a single friggin' carriage return.  To put it more bluntly, USE THE ENTER KEY!

I like reading people's posts and trying to help, but to be honest, when I see someone with a question and their post is half a page long with no new paragraphs, I simply skip it.  Plain and simple.  Why?  Well, call me shallow, but it's too exhausting for me to read this huge block of text without some kind of nice formatting.  I would rather spend my time contributing to other threads which are easier to read.

Just my 4 cents.

Yes great point! Always use the ENTER KEY and periods!