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oh yeah earlier today i went to the library and the description of the etheric plane sounded a lot like the majority of my last 4 or 5 experiences. it also said that the energy body collects energy to heal the physical, which made sense. i should learn more about that.

what up mon, thnnks a lot 4 the reply
sry 2 hear you were depressed. hope nothing bad happened..
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why do you say negative astral entities were trying to hurt you? because i've never even come close to encountering one so i haave no reason to believe they exist. hAve you xprnced them b4?

Hey all it's been a while. I thought i'd post this to see if anyone else has xprienced this b4.

so i stayed up more than a full day bcuz i partied and was hit by a pik axe at work, and so when i went to bed i was just tired and went to sleep. i wasn't trying to project but my mind fully awoke to huge vibrations, largest i've ever felt, and i had no feeling of my body.

"here i go again" i thought.

so i found myself observing (more like listening) to my subconsious. i heard myself saying very strange things in my mind, which i cant remember. the visuals were grey and flashed very quickly. i didn't feel out of body but i felt "in my mind", which was insane. anyways here's what i'mm asking about....

when i returned my bed felt like it was moving underneath my torso, like it was a liquid massage feeling, hard to describe. the blanket in front of my face was also moving. i've experienced this multiple times but this was the first time i could see the blanket move. very very wierd. it felt like my bed had a spirit to it and i sort of mantra-ed in my mind, god bless the spirits around me, which was soothing. even if i moved my body i still felt and saw the movements of my bed. this lasted for a few minutes and the whole experience was less than an hour from the time i went to bed.

excellent technique i must say mon. i think you just put to words what I have been doing, and it the same's for me. or at least everything up to the getting out spontaneously part, i need to work on that.
thanks a lot for the help, mon i think this was a great post.

Excellent advice Stookie. I was going to ask how do you keep from thinking about your body and decided to answer it myself.
I guess my first and greatest experience i didn't really think about my body while I was out until the end.
I thought things like this in this order...
"Those are cool colors."
"I want to float through this wall."
"Whoa, that was cool, now I want to go out the back door."
"Wow this is fun, I want to fly like in my dreams."
"Is that a clown?"
" Can she see me? I don't want to scare her."
and then finally,
"Am I a ghost?"
That last thought led me to thinking about my body which then brought my back to it feeling fully awake as opposed to the drowsiness as when i first went out. I was suprised to hear I had been sleeping on the couch for almost an hour because it was hard to tell whether i was out for 2 minutes or 10 or more.

you can read about it here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_experiences/was_this_my_firstonly_obe-t23488.0.html;msg197991#msg197991

thank you novice for your kind replies.
i had a 3rd experience just like the one above and the one before it just a couple days ago. i'm not going to call it an obe though. Happened as I was falling asleep again. maybe I'm getting better at inducing the ability to go out at will? i still didn't feel like i got out, but that i could of. hard to explain. i heard the sounds and felt floaty.  this was the shortest one too - i wasn't even going to write it down on my dream pad. the good thing is that I wasn't as excited about experiencing it this time..more like here i go again sort of thought/feeling. but i still didn't get "out" and about so to speak. 

enlighenment is lightening up.   

he probably felt he had enough of the experiences this world had to offer and decided that's how he wanted to go. i don't get that part of hinduism though. i think most all world religions are in sync in some ways, as to what i believe, but none are completely true to what i believe. like here, the goal is to escape a never-ending life cycle of rebirth? well first i thought energy is neither created nor destroyed. (yes i know that's science but it may apply to life too.) maybe he is just truly more highly evolved as a soul than i am, but as the "I" that I am now, I would never want to not live, in the physical or afterlife. I just don't see who the goal is to escape and destroy life, like its a bad thing.

I slept on the carpet of my living room from 9:00 pm - 12:30 am. I then woke up and ate a meal consisting of ground buffalo, pasta, curry rice, and greens. I went back to bed at 5:30ish am.

As i was falling aleep i heard elf laughter in my head. Then the laughter morphed into a whuw whuw whuw whuw whuw whuw sound, like air whisping by, which lasted throughout the whole experience, at a constant speed, about 150 times a minute. My conscious mind anticipated an out of body experience.

My body was numb and I expected to just float out but I couldn't. Then I thought, I'll just stay still and see what happens. I then started to see very very faint blue/white outlines of what I may have been my bedroom while I had the slight sensation of floating, but it was dark inside my room. I never really felt like I was all the way out though. I was constantly gibbering in my mind about what I was experiencing, what I should do, where I might go etc. And I felt like quieting my mind would help me go further.

I felt like if I moved at all I would come back to the physical entirely, but because my vision was poor, I tried to physically open my eyes, which just brought me back into my head but the whuw sound was still going. I noticed my bed was moving strangely, like it was breathing, which kind of freaked me out so I jumped up out of bed.

I've experienced all this before in my second OBE: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_experiences/my_2nd_ap_techno_sounds_in_my_head_and_a_portal_to_hell_ha-t24201.0.html;msg203511#msg203511

In fact, the experiences are very similar and completely opposite from my first, in which I had full clarity of vision, hearing, and even touch.




Questions -
How do you guys see when you have an exit of the body? Do you just see without thinking about it? 

Is it better to quiet your mind? How do you keep your mind from going off during the experience?  Should I just observe what is happening without even thinking about it? How do you stay calm and unafraid during the experience?

Do you ever hear strange sounds in your head while exiting or out? Were these "the vibrations"? Should I have done a roll out method or something in order to get out more efficiently? What about the feeling of the bed breathing after I opened my eyes and returned? Was this an entity of some kind?

Am I doing something wrong? Why are my last two OBEs so similar? Was this an etheric projection and not a RTZ?

I'm sure I will learn the answers to my questions in time, but any help and advice would be extremely appreciated here. I'm going to read some permanent topics now.

Thank you,
psychonaut

bitchin experiences aren't they. thnkxzs a lot for sharing i enjoyed it

hey petal. it would be chill if you posted your OBEs because id like 2 read them. i've only had a few myself and am eager for more too. so welcome to the club.

Yeah i really like it too. there's a nice glow lurking behind the sadness of the eggplant. 

yeah. healthy as an ox. or is that strong. Principle, i think your right about the spirit thing. I'd like to try salvia again sometime soon. my first and only experience with it was a waste of 20 bucks, but that's because i passed it like herb, instead of bogartin like you should 

Helpful to obe? Maybe. I only did it once. I took 70 grams of nutmeg in clear caps which i ground to a powder myself. I also naturally deprived myself of sleep before the experience. It took a while to kick in. When it did I was in school. The experience started out as fun, kind of a group consciousness type of high. Then it was kind of overwhelming, like I was in control of the room or something, and I became really tired whilst paranoia was rising. So I walked out of school and slept in a nearby field for a few hours and when I got home I slept for a whole 24 or 25 hours! longest sleep I've ever had. So maybe. But I don't really recommend trying it at all. It might have been a more useful psychonautic experience if I had been more awake during it!

yeah same here paola. after about 5 months of not doing so, i just started writing down my dreams every morning again

science. cool.

i think ghost hunters captured something like this..like a ball of white energy transfer from one person to another but i think that show is so fake. i've only seen it like twice, but the ball of energy transfer was captured in psychedelic colors (thermo?) and i saw it on the top ten/best of episode.

i wish you success in getting out. if you do I think they will find something. unless they're sole motive is to debunk. do they have a tv show or something? how long will they be observing you for?

good luck, i'd like to see you float out on camera.

Ok. this was new astral experience...I'm pushing it by saying I was a guide.

In a dream this morning, I encountered the whitish-blue outline of a body with a transparent area inside the outline floating towards me as I was leaving a friend's house. Feeling happy and excited, I immediately recognized it as someone having an out of body experience, because the outline is what my arms looked like to myself during my first RTZ OBE, as I outsteched them infront of my face.

The aura was strangely holding a normal looking leashed dog. I first greeted/pet the dog and asked him about his companion. With no response, I then talked directly to the "oob" person. We had a series conversations, the exact details I don't remember but I'll summarize it.

It started out with me questioning them.. if they knew they were out of body. They didn't really know what I meant, so I explained my first out of body experience to them.  After some dialogue they questioned if they were out of body and I think they got scared and the aura changed somehow, like it became a normal/physical looking character in the dream, but I was transported away from under the lights of my friend's street to somewhere else. I was still with this person sitting on thier bed.

I tried convincing them that they were out of body and how they snapped out of it because they both thought of their body and got scared at the same time. I said that's when most people get back into their body. They would hear what I said but acted like they didn't hear me at all. It was strange. I felt ignored.

I woke up remembering it all, including the dreams leading up to this and feeling sort of sad for some reason - that I couldn't convince them that what they experienced was real, even though I knew it was all a dream.

I never looked down at my arms so I didn't get any verification that I was OBE. I never had the feeling of this is a lucid dream either...it just felt kind of all normal and real...my mind and vision were normal. but I think it was all just dream.

If this all happened to you what would you think? Would you say you were in dream, then astral, then OBE? Did I just create this entity in my dream?

I'm confused about the difference between dreams and astral projections. I know what an OBE is, because I've experienced an etheric and a mental projection.

i've eaten amanita muscaria. i ate 4/5 large dried caps...didn't do much of anything at all. maybe fresh would do something but i wouldnt even bother.

that sounds pretty cool drealm

Vilkate - I really like the glow your piece has. 

whoa sick shop kraven

my myspace is the greatest, add me as a friend and your myspace will be so much sweeter.....

http://www.myspace.com/awkwardmoment

I'm normally pretty shy, but I'm willing to make an exception here

dude. that's the most awesome slayer shirt ever!! i'm not much of a shopper but where did you find that thing!? lol people reading this probably think im a hippy or fruit or something if they don't know who slayer is. they are playing here in denver soon!  i would probably die in the mosh pit if i wore that lol i dont think i have the cohonez to do that. people are usually all in black at their shows. well im gonna try to post my pic but last time i tried it didnt work

Well said kiwibonga. I've never experienced any hemi-sync action before but i will try sometime.
CFT, yeah it was called loosh. sounds like sploosh from holes. I've only read monroe's first and second...has anyone read his others?

aww, grats! brief yet adequate first time.

funny you should mention that your body being a grey myst type of thing.. i've had that everytime, yet i don't see anyne else speaking of it. I dont often try to look back at my body coz i have other more important things but the first time i looked and saw this dark blurry sort of 'space' under the covers where i should be, it kinda spooked me out a bit.

     I also think it's funny that you and enlightenment speak of the misty outline.  I've experienced it too but only when I had my first OBE.
     
     My "floating/other" body was the bluish/grey/white mist outline "aura" thing. I saw this when I outstretched my arms to hug a psychic at the end of my experience.  The outline was made up of many tiny moving dots (electrons? lol could be something along those lines, no pun intended) and in between transparent. In the beginning of that amazing first experience, when I looked down at my body...all I saw was what I percieved to be my parents, though it was really just these strange still bright colors in a fetus position! But I've never seen my physical body though when out.
     
     So yeah. I've mentioned it before a while ago on here, but that's strange how you two saw it where your physical body was and how I saw it as my "out of" body...

BigD -
Thanks for the reads, I found the first very interesting. I'd also enjoy reading more exprnces of yours, that's pretty chill how you're fortunate enough to explore so often. May your experiences continue.