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 Very cool experience Shineling! Keep them coming! 

Will study all of these thankyou guys.

anyone had anymore experiences with these brainsync mp3's the OP talked about? am tempted to get one myself I mean its worth a shot but also am concerned another poster said there was no subliminal messages in them!??! this is a con you mean or?! maybe I'm misunderstanding but what they said is on the first page:

Yes, I have used Kelly Howell's brainsync program. I bought one package years ago. I think the set was $100.00 or so. They are good. They don't do the work for you though. Like all Bin beats/Isochronic tones, they help to "set the stage", per se!

With Christmas coming I have been getting Ad emails daily from her company advertising all of who new programs. The only time they get aggressive like that is at Christmas. Otherwise I would get a marketing advertising email from her company once every few months. I hate this daily email crap though. It just clogs up my email. I know I could "unsubscribe", but I want to keep abreast of new things she is doing. Once Christmas has passed it will calm down again.

 Okay where to start this next post. I guess I will get my "Thank You" out of the way. So, Thank You guys for your kind words. Now to the next section here.

I can see this is all meant to be. So many things are coming together at the right time now. Just today, I logged in to see that you EV and Mars were already talking about exactly what I have been doing some further research on and that's "mind awake/body asleep". I agree with EV, if you can hear yourself snoring, you are in the right state to set a intent and just "go".

A few days ago while perusing some old posts, I came across a great one by Frank Kepple. In it he was explaining his method of Phasing using "color breathing". He would see is head/brain as the color purple and his solar plexus as the color yellow. He called those two areas "centers". He would then send the "purple energy" down until it met up with the "yellow energy center". Once this occurred he would be vibrating could soon "exit" or "shift". It's funny though, Frank used to bawk at talk of Chakras and yet his color centers were the head, known as the "Crown Chakra" and the Solar plexus, known as the "Solar Plexus Chakra". Even the colors of purple and yellow coordinated with the proper Chakras. You can read more about it in this link here. When I said above how things seem to be coming together, I will tell you how now. I have a new computer. Through the years here I saved hundreds of what I deemed important or interesting links from the Astral Pulse in my "favorites" section. When my old computer died, I lost all those links.
Cue to a few days ago. When I log on here, I first go to the bottom of the page and click on "view most recent posts on the forum" button. After reading what's new, I always click on the "users online" button, just below the other one. That usually leads to what I will be reading for the next while. In the "users online" section, it shows you what other people here are reading. 99.9 % of them are either Spammers or just Gawkers. I will then click on a link that interests me and start reading. That's how I recently found Frank's post that I will give a link to below here. It's a good one too.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/hypnogogic_to_vibrations_to_exit_technique-t18212.0.html

Frank's post reminded me of something I used to do too that netted great results. I don't know where I heard of it or who I should give credit to, so please forgive me for that. I think it might have been the "Lucidology" free course of youtube. In it the person was describing "color breathing" as well. Their direction used the colors "orange and blue". Blue I think was the head and orange the body. On a inhale, you concentrated on the color blue consuming your head. On the exhale you concentrated on the color orange flowing through your body. I think I got those right. it might be vice versa though.

Why I like this especially now is because I was doing some experiments in my Phase soak session today whereas I got into the water, closed my eyes and instantly began doing "Etheric exercises". I couldn't feel much at all. The "pump" hadn't been primed yet. I was shown that as well.
I then did my healing modality visualization and immediately after did the exercise again. This time I could feel everything. I saw that this could be a major problem with people that were going from their busy "physical" day and then just lying down expecting to have instant results with their etheric exercises. This really drove the point home of "priming the pump" before we began. That's why I liked the progressive relaxation beforehand. If you don't like the progressive relaxation beforehand, you could choose any other way to "prime your pump" before you move into the etheric exercises. It will really help you. The above "color breathing" that Frank talked about and I mentioned is a great way to do just that. Another way is to listen to relaxing music for about 20 minutes before you practice. You can find all kinds of meditation/Binaural Beat/Isochronic tones on youtube. The videos are all different lengths as well. So you search out any time frame you wish.

On to the next important thing. On another thread recently a member spoke of having problems with itching and gasping for air. These are signs that he/she was too physical focused or were having hard time turning off the physical focus. In today's Phase soak session I was shown some different things and experienced some new things pertaining to just this.
While just "noticing" the darkness before my closed eyes, a faint image started to reveal itself. It was the image of a body. A ghostly outline, but I could tell it was a body. I just observed it for a minute and then the weirdest thing happened. The body raised it's knee and I felt it. One by one the body moved a body part and I was the one that felt it. It seemed like it was some kind of Avatar or Doppleganger. Many times in my Phase sessions I see what seems to be some kind of "pace car' that brings me deeper into the void. That "vehicle" in the past at times was a Horse, a plane, a rocket, a car a motorcycle. All kinds of things.

After observing this new experience further, a very strong thought came into my head, very overpowering and said "Kick back and relax". I thought, where did that come from? But then I saw the image of body in a chair, some kind of recliner and they were doing just that. They were kicking back and relaxing. The chair was reclined. The body had it's legs crossed and it's arms up around it's neck like you see when someone kicks back and relaxes. The scene then zoomed or focused more on the arms. The fingers were locked together, like one does when bending the elbows to hold back of their neck. It immediately hit me. I have been working on finding a way for a person to tell if their body nerves are still firing during the etheric exercises. I finally found my way.

So, I thanked whoever it was that was helping me, got out of the water, got dressed and immediately went and laid down on my bed to work on some etheric exercises. At this point I was still in a lower brain wave, so when I got up out of the water, I was a bit disoriented. For years I have worked using Bin Beats/Iso tone to be able to lower my brain frequency as fast as possible. They also really helped me in learning how to hold that state as well.

So, I was on the bed. I laid down, closed my eyes and locked my arms and hands behind my neck like a person would while "kicking back and relaxing". I then played around with my focus on my hands and feet. I felt a bit, but I wasn't quite there yet. Then it hit me, I began focusing on the just my elbows, one at a time. When I did, I felt my nerves still firing. They were weak, but they were still firing. I could tell because my hands/fingers were locked into the back of my neck and the neck is so sensitive that I could feel a bit of a "twang" there. I kept going with the pinballing focus between the two elbows and soon I couldn't feel any nerves at all. I had finally found a way to test if the nerves were indeed still firing. If the nerves were, my "body" was still too physically focused, which in turn is not what we want here. We don't want to feel the physical body any more at this point. So, this will be a great way for us to discern just how deep we are going.

Two more things and I am done this post. One is to explain my healing modality visual a bit more for anyone that wished to learn more about that. I said above how I use a Mantra, with a accompanying visuals. When I see the accompanying visuals, example Ra would be the sun, I see the sun overtop of the pyramid. For Ma, the water is flowing in back of the Pyramid. For Da, the Earth, plants, trees flowers are surrounding the Pyramid and lastly for Sah, the sky, air, is above the Pyramid. the Pyramid is the only thing that appears in each visual.

For those that have problems visualizing, these etheric exercises are great for you. You don't have to "see" anything. Your focus here is purely "tactile". If you do see something, all the better. Also, if something starts to occur or happen while doing any of these exercise, as in visuals begin to appear, feel free to abort the exercise and "go with the flow"!  

Last night I finished working on a new Crystal Amp design and then relaxed by the computer. I turned on youtube meditative music video and just wound down. While doing that I was reading some old posts here on the Astral Pulse. I did that for about an hour, It was now about 4:00 am and time for me to sleep. I went in my bedroom, laid down to sleep, closed my eyes and after a few seconds, I was immediately in some kind of mall. I was moving forward through the crowd. I attempted to talk with people there, but it seemed I was being ignored. I did have a few people that moved out of the way for me though. That kind of perplexed me. I stayed in that scenario until I finally "clicked out" and fell asleep. I haven't the foggiest on what that experience was all about. But the fact that it was almost immediately after I closed my eyes reminded me of what occurs with me periodically through the years.
The first time it occurred with me was during a shower when I got shampoo in my eyes. I posted this here years ago. I got shampoo in my eyes, closed them just to see that I was teetering on the edge of a raging waterfall. The visuals were incredibly vivid. I didn't intend to see anything. When it occurred, I lost my balance for real and almost ripped my shower curtains down as I was losing my balance.
This happened another time a few weeks later. I was in the shower, closed my eyes and saw that there were people all around me. I seemed to be in the middle of a street. My first impulse was to cover myself up, lol. It was a unique experience nonetheless.

Just recently in a post made by Mars, he was talking about Tom Campbell. I listened to the video at the link I gave him with one of Tom's famous seminar teachings and found that Tom had mentioned something about a person who had never seen a city finding themselves in he middle of a street in NY for the first time ever. He was using it as a example in his talk. I had listened to that video years ago as well. So I want to be completely honest to all here. There is a chance that my consciousness remembered that talk and because of that created the street scene itself. The other experiences I have had with my closing my eyes and just seeing something already there have been completely different. Things that I have never heard of.

Well that's it for now. Keep up the great work guys and gals. I have given you some other things to ponder above. I was shown that was all important to explain because I know that when I was new here and new to the NEW program of Robert Bruce's at first I couldn't feel anything. I realized after while that indeed the "pump" needed to be primed before I was in the state of mind/consciousness I needed to be in to have a successful experience.

One last thing that I thought was pretty cool. My teachings in my Phase soak sessions were getting so lengthy that I was forgetting things I was supposed to write here. To rectify that I would ask to put all of this info into a "mental file" of sorts, that had it's own number. Before writing this post here, I took a few minutes and opened that mental file and all the info came back to me again. I needed to find a way to retain all of the info. I'm sure that other people here have had that problem as well. You stay too long in the "void/NPR" and end up losing all your recall. Kind of like you do when you awaken in the morning from a dream. I have had times when I came out of Phase session and my mind was blank. I had been so deep in "trance" or whatever that I couldn't remember a thing when I came out of it. All I could remember is I was "experiencing".

I just found a computer image of "kicking back and relaxing", In this one, the young lad has his arms behind his head with his fingers locked, just what you want to do too,
https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/kick-back-and-relax-picture-id105671733

Ole Donald here has the right idea too!  
https://clipartstation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/relax-clipart.png

I have never heard a real life story of demonic influences on people in my life. Always thought this was a subject of movies and means to keep religious people at bay with fear.

I never did come to a conclusion on what exactly happened. My mind was set on finding a logical answer. It needed to be though. At that time in my life I wasn't ready to accept anything but a logical answer. Today, I still question it.

About a month ago I had the named doorbell experience when I woke up in the night. I live in an closed apartment and it was the sound of my front door, this could only be one of my neighbours who were asleep at that time. So this was definately a non physical bell, but the sound was very physicial!

After I made my post above about the "doorbell", just for curiosity I did a search in the Astral Pulse search engine on the word doorbell and saw that there were a number of discussions on this created by past members here. I guess it really isn't such a "freak" occurrence.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?action=search2

I do the excercise about two times a day.
In the morning I have to deal with itching and later in the day or at night with monkey mind issues.
This morning my body was quiet numb. When I started the 'pinball' excercise I suddenly felt a kind of mild panic and became short on breath (or I became short on breath an panicked, can't remember)
Don't have an explanation why I panicked but it snapped me out of the exercise.
Maybe someone of you ever had the same experience, otherwise I have to deal with this also.

it sounds like your waking consciousness is holding onto it's physical focus at all costs. it shows in in the "itching" and grasping for air that you are experiencing. I experienced that when I was new too. I would get into a good NP state, then my physical mind would kick in and worry I wasn't breathing. At that moment our breathing is automatic, just as it is when we are sleeping. But when we are sleeping we aren't aware of that. Then like I said there was the itching. I also had problems with swallowing. All those things showed I was still too much "physically oriented/focused" It got better in time though. I just kept doing my OBE attempts and I learned to hold my focus away from my physical awareness. I did that by "allowing" myself to.  

Hey Lumaza, just dropping in to say I am following this thread and think it's a great idea.

I've done your exercise the last two nights but don't have much to report. I definitely felt the etheric energy move but I've been so active lately I fall asleep too quickly to get far.

Sharing your story requires a certain knowledge and acceptance of your human-ness. It can be really hard to put yourself out there like that so I want you to know how much doing so helps others. We do all have our story and it is nice to know more of yours. You've shared quite a bit in the past but this puts it in even more perspective and only serves to up my already high opinion of you and your walk through life. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for sharing.

Wow, Thank You nameless for your incredibly kind words! 

As you can see, we are at the infancy level with this new practice. On the road, at my shows, I use simple techniques like this to give people that have never experienced anything outside of the physical a chance to "feel" it for themselves. My Egyptian Healing Rods really help put that message through as well. They are always in my carry bag at my shows and I share them with all kinds of people, Energy workers and others. My Energy worker friends love them and ask to use them every year. You find quite a few people in the "know" at Renaissance Faires. It kind of goes with the territory.

I have a little trick I do with those rods to almost instantly open people's eyes to something new. Both rods weigh the about the same amount. I put one in their left hand, the other in their right and just tell them to become aware of anything unusual. After about 5 minutes they give them back to me, but the person now notices that one of them is now really hot and weighs either more or less than the other. It's not really a trick. It's just what happens when a person holds them. To me, they work like the two poles on a battery. One would be the positive, the other the negative, as one rod is Copper, the other rod is Zinc, both conductors for energy. Both of them then somehow stream the energy of the person holding them towards the other. If you have any breakage in your energy body, they will find it and try to correct it. The person holding them will normally feel some kind of "buzzing/light vibration" around that blockage. It has nothing to do with them believing in them or not.  Later the person that held them will reveal to me some kind of past injury, such as a broken bone, that they had in that area. The only thing I did was hand them the rods. It's funny though, even though these people are total strangers to me, every year when they return to the show they make a effort to stop by and say hi. It's a great way to open eyes and make new friends! 

Hi Tongo,
Search on here for New Jerico, it was definitely out of hours lol.
Like many others will say, time has no meaning during an experience if in the Astral proper. The rtz is typically time matched from my experiences but this doesn't always mean in the present. They can be from the past or the future, the latter becomes a waiting game and what you experienced occurs exactly.

For anyone else interested, here is a link to Szaxx's "New Jericho" experience and adventure. It's definitely worth a read! 
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/new_jericho_large_scale_retrieval-t42995.0.html

After reading that one, here is a link to one of EscapeVelocity's experiences with this as well.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/fieldtrip-t43624.0.html

There are countless others here to be found as well. Just perusing through the past posts of just the Moderators themselves here will show you all kinds of gems! 

Am curious to hear from anyone who's experienced in AP have you ever had an experience where you might have 'lived' or 'existed' in an alternate reality in the rtz or out in the astral where you were gone for minutes and whilst out there it was more like years?  I've heard of these types of things happen.

There are a number of examples of this to be found here on this Forum. I have had many experiences where I was in a area that I have never been, with people that I don't know, yet they knew me. When speaking of this here in the past I said that I wished I had seen myself then in a mirror. I most likely didn't look like I do now as well.

But since you want actual experiences, I will give you a copy and paste from a post I made here n the past where I lived a "lifetime" in one night's series of LDs. There were many cut scenes in it. But after every click in and out, I still found myself in the same scenario, it's just everything had "aged", including me.

« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2013, 13:22:18 »
"Here is an excerpt from a previous post of mine where I felt I lived a lifetime in one night. I saw myself aging in this scenario as well over a long period of time. Other people around me were as well.
"Last night I lived almost a lifetime in Thailand. I awoke 4 different times for real, just to be thrust back into my dream again. I thought it was a retrieval, because it started in an area of immense floods, but through it all I saw changes in myself. In my weight, my health, my overall persona. Normally upon awakening with dream recall I immediately grab my book and write down everything. But I awoke 3 different times during this dream, I decided I was too lazy and would do it later. This is usually a fatal mistake with dream recall, for that would normally kill any memories of the event that I had. But this time when I awoke again and again, I would just jump right back into the scene. It was incredibly vivid and I looked like I was aging at the end of it, so I must have lived this scene there for a considerable time span."
This was a scene where I was in Thailand with Mary Jo, there was immense flooding everywhere. We stayed to help for a while, but then Mary Jo had to go back home to the USA. I decided to stay and help the Thailand community with their clean up. I moved out of my motel into the home of a young Thai woman. I would go out to clean up and help during the day, then return back to her home at night, where she would feed me fantastic meals and I would attempt to learn the Thai language. She would also give me soothing massages every night. There were a couple of younger guys in the small town that didn't like the fact that I was living with her, because I wasn't Thai and because they were jealous. So there were a couple of confrontations through the time I was there. We cleaned up the damage from the  floods and then for some reason I stayed there. Years had passed now and I was growing old like the rest of people around me. But, now I was respected as part of the community. It was really weird watching the years pass by, I think that time changed everytime I had one of my brief real awakenings. I would return back to the same town, same people, same scene, but we would all be older. It was surreal. But also very healing. I felt excellent when I had finally awoken the next morning."

No apologies needed for your interesting story. Yes, you maybe right that many of us here are also helpers in the physical, maybe sometimes by our sheer presence and energy on this plane (see Dolores Cannon's message about being antennas for change) or by our actions too. I still long to be a non-physical retriever/helper too and that is why I am trying to learn every day to project better and more regularly, and so I do here.

Basically I wanted everyone to see that we all have our own "story" that has brought us to where we are on a life's path. By talking about it, possibly we could see that we have more in common than we think we do.

One reminder though for the training or teaching: Please keep in mind that most of us do not a bathtub (phase/soak) session but use the normal mode of lying flat in the bed instead. So anything that works better or 'only' with the bathtub should be excluded or at least adaptad for the 'normie' mode in bed. Just saying.

I understood this as well. That's why when I use my own etheric exercises I do them by laying flat on a bed as well. My Phase soak sessions occasionally seem to teach me how to teach others. When I spoke of the initial etheric experience that occurred in the bath, it was to show "me" that this here should be the major focus of my teaching to others.

Session 07/12: WB2B (2nd session/bathroom break): I was thrown out or even 'startled up' during the exercise by the doorbell ringing. Well, the interesting thing is it was the doorbell (low buzz) of my old flat where I am not living anymore (the new one has a high bell) since October. LOL. There is no other physical explanation for this sound. So the conclusion is that was a non-physical sound. Two interpretations (or both apply?): 1. dweller-on-the-threshold kind of experience where we are 'scared away' somehow by someone or our subbie-self to keep us from entering NPR in lucid conscious state, or 2. my own metaphorical / sensual interpretation that "someone" from NPR was arriving and announcing themselves in order to meet / communicate with me (hopefully a friendly being)

A few months ago I too got "duped" by a NP doorbell. Why, I have no idea? But it happens!   That's a hard one to ignore, because it could possibly be your physical doorbell too. It was a once in a lifetime experience. So, yes, it caught me off guard!   Like I said, it happens.

 Awesome job guys!     Even though we are in the early stages of this take on a old concept here, we are still seeing good progress.

This thread will be mostly based on the Etheric Exercises. But there will also be some other things intermingled in it. Today's Phase soak session showed me that indeed, this thread will have a couple of let's say "curve balls" in it. Today I had another one of what I call a "mental projection". This one was kind of a walk down memory lane. Once again, it wasn't my intent going into my Phase session, nor was it on my mind beforehand, but I guess for some reason it was deemed necessary. So here we go, today's topic is "transparency".

In another thread that I created here a while back I gave some insight into who I was and how I got here. I basically said, I left home at 14, joined the Circus, for awhile, then the Carnival for years and finally into a travelling sales job that brought me all over the country. Each of those occupations brought me in touch with people that were having trouble moving on in their lives. Some were due to abuse, spousal abuse, etc. One was due to a Suicide in the Family another was due to a death in the Family from a illness. That went on for many years until I finally found myself in one place for what I thought was for good. But that was about to change.

I answered a job request for a "Pitchman" for a company. A Pitchman for those that don't know, is a person that sells a product, that normally will use a "microphone and amp" to pitch their wares. I did this at all kind of venues around the Country, Home shows, Sportsman shows, State Fairs, etc,. The product was very versatile so it could be sold almost anywhere.

This next part is going to have you questioning why and WTH. I can understand that. But for some reason I found it necessary. I never knew that I had been doing "physical Retrievals". Now I see the writing on the wall.

I was at a State Fair with a crew of people selling our products for a company I worked for. At that time, I had worked myself into the title of "Show manager". So it was my job to hire, train and make sure things ran smoothly.
I came across this lady that was drop dead gorgeous. We struck up a conversation and I visited her throughout the fair daily. She was ten years older than me, but there was something about her, other than her looks, that intrigued me. She was selling a product for another local company there as well. I found out that she was living with one of her Daughters. She had 3 Daughters in all. They lived in different areas though. So, she was living with her Daughter and her Hubby. They were staying at a Trailer Park and one night I drove her home. When we got there, I saw that it was a bad scene. Her Daughter and her hubby were drunkards and there was total disarray to be found there.

On the last day of the show, I invited her to join me on the road. My crew was kind of shocked by that. My crew and I were a tight knit bunch and they weren't comfortable with a new person there, especially one that I had more than a professional interest in. I guess they feared that I would favor her.

We left that city and went on to the next. I had a few days to work with this lady, to teach her the ropes of the product we were selling. We began the first day and everything was fine. She had a problem with learning our new product and how to sell because she was so new to all of this. But there is a learning curve with every new thing we set out to do in life, so this wasn't unusual. Up to this point in me knowing her, there was no physical touching of any kind done. I guess I was old school, trying to be the gentleman.

She would take her breaks during the day, like all my other crew would, but for some reason, when she got back from them she was different. More aggressive I would say. This annoyed my crew. It gets much worse from there now. At every one of our shows, liquor is sold. I found that during the breaks, she was "drinking". Normally we wouldn't mind a employee at a show "taking the edge off" with a drink on their break. Vending at shows is very high octane. But she would get practically alebriated. During one such time, we had a event.

At the shows, one of the duties of the show manager was to also take care of the money. She drove with me to the show every morning and knew where I had left my money bag. At the time it was in my vehicle. That was safe though because there were hundreds of vehicles in the parking lot and the lot was secured as well.

She had come back to the booth and had been drinking heavily. She said she felt sick and needed to lie down. I offered my car to her rest in. So, I gave her my keys. Immediately my "spider senses", I used to call it' intuition, kicked in and told me there was something wrong here, other than the fact that she was constantly drinking every break. I know, you see the "writing on the wall here". I did as well. She was bad news, But I still had a urge, actually it was more of a "need" to help her. So, I kind of trailed her and found at my my car and yes she did go to my trunk and yes she was stealing the money out of my money bag. I walked up behind her and she was shocked. I told her there was two things we could do here. One was I could go get a Police officer and have her charged for theft, the other we could work together to help her with whatever problems she had. We decided with option 2. I can just see you reading this now, dropping your jaw and thinking, what an idiot. But like I said, I felt that I had to help. The only problem was I actually told a trusted member of my crew what went on and he quit a few days later. That was a major loss. He was a good friend as well as a great Pitchman.

In the past here on the Pulse I have always been against the talk of "Evil" in the Astral. What you are going to hear next will have you wondering why I still have that view.

After the show was done, she went home to live with me. At that time I did have a apartment that I paid rent monthly for. I still travelled. But my shows paid my bills and I had what would be considered a "home base" instead of living out of a suitcase like I did when I pin balled all around living in numerous places.

I slowly began to learn more and more about this lady and her life. Growing up she had a sister that got all the attention. For some reason this turned her inwards and her jealousy consumed her. Her jealousy got so bad that she searched for any way to fight it. She wanted the attention that her sister received and would do anything to get it. Enter her interest in the "Necronomicon". Yes you heard that right, she was turning to Demons to help her. She began studying all she could and was active in all of the rituals found inside of it. All of sudden, her life was changing. She was getting interest from others now.

She soon met a man and married him. She was married two times. This man though tortured her physically and mentally. He used to pin her down on the floor to inject Meth and other drugs into her. He beat her. He berated her. She tried to satisfy him any way she could. She even got a breast enlargement for him. Finally after years of torture that she endured because of 3 Daughters that they had together, she left. One of her Daughters was really smart. She moved as far away as she could from this "freak show" that she was living in.

The lady then married again. But that marriage was broken up by the jealousy of her other 2 Daughters that stayed with her. The girls were teens at the time, in their later teens and would purposely wear provocative night clothing in front of their new Father, just to cause reactions. I felt sorry for this poor man. On some level, the lady did as well. She said he was a good honest man and that he didn't deserve the punishment that her and her Daughters forced on him.

So you can see that this was a bad scene all around. She was a constant challenge to be with. Her love of alcohol seemed to be what really set her off. She was a violent and obnoxious drunk. It was like she had a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde thing going on. She was not herself when she drank. She was "evil" and purposely so. This really concerned me because I had no experience or clue what to do here. Yes, I could have kicked her to the road. But as I stated above, there was some kind of deeper need to help her.

So, I began doing some research. I found out how to contact her Daughters. The two that lived with her in the past didn't help at all. They were problem people as well. The other Daughter though, that had left was quite helpful. She also helped me contact this lady's mother.

That's when I learned more about the abuse above, but I learned so much more as well. Things that I couldn't comprehend. Her Daughter and her Mother told me that there were times that they would hear screaming coming from her room. Once during the screaming, her daughter went to the room and saw that her mother was being "attacked" by something, but there was nothing in the room. What I learned from both her Daughter and her mother was that she was being sexually raped by some mysterious force. They then went on to tell me how she herself turned "Demonic" like while drinking. Now was my turn to say WT........!

In a way it made sense. But I still couldn't comprehend it. As time went on I went through the constant struggle of keeping her away from alcohol. She got a job in the city we lived in and most likely slept with her boss. Other people had realized how she and alcohol had got along and exploited that. She was really "sleazy" when she was drinking. I can read your thoughts while reading this "Kick her to the curb". Well, I couldn't.

I had struck up a new friendship in the building while getting my mail one day. This man just happened to be a Psychologist as well. I asked him some different beating around the bush questions about people and mental illnesses. I was trying to attack this lady's problem in the most logical way I could. I couldn't go down that "it's Demons" route. He reminded me that some people have bad reactions such as "allergies" to alcohol and that that alone could change them in ways. That reminded me back to a time in my youth where there was a acquaintance of ours who was a great guy, until he drunk. He got so bad that his parents brought him for testing and found out that he was allergic to alcohol. He gave up drinking and lived happily ever after. So, I wondered if this was my lady friend's problem as well.

One day during a violent occurrence, I called my new psychologist friend up to my apartment to witness and somehow help me. He came up and aided in calming everything down.

I called him the next day and he didn't answer the phone. I kind of hunted him down and when I finally found him , I asked him what I should do. He said I should get a "Priest". He said that what he witnessed was something that he couldn't understand either. All he knew is that he was going to distance himself from any other involvement in my situation. I never heard from him again. At least we never spoke again.

Now I was really confused. I went to a local new age kind of store and told the lady there what was happening. She told me I needed to invoke the members of the "Great White Brotherhood". These were Queen Sunanda, St. Jermaine, Gabriel, Raphael and I think a few others. I wasn't familiar with Queen Sunanda. But I knew who the others were from the Bible.

So, I went home and that night while she was sleeping, I invoked these "helpers". I was new to this "invoking" stuff". So, per what this lady said, I took a "crash course" in how to do it. I got close to her, held her and began to call on the aide of these Angels. My entire body began to vibrate. It scared the crap out of me. I then got up and left the room.

The next night, I went back to do it again. This time when I attempted this, she woke up gagging. The more I tried, the more whatever it was seemed to be choking her. In other words, it didn't want to go anywhere. "It" was happy where it was.

To make a long story short. Soon her Daughter, the one that she lived with at the trailer park, came to live with us. She got kicked out by her husband. Knowing what I did of her husband, I was shocked to see that it was "him" kicking her out. It didn't take her long to find another "suitor" in her life. This guy was a bad boy as well and I was hearing stories of the gang life he was living, including shooting people and all kinds of stuff.  

A few months later, I had to say "No Mas" (no more). I gave up. It got too much for me. I lost my apartment, lost my job and ended up on the road again for another 12 years until I finally met the lady I am with today. That experience destroyed me. It hurt my health, mentally, physically, Spiritually. You name it, I had no energy at all. I was depleted. I had been dragged through the pits. But, I survived.

I never did hear from this lady again. In the last months while living with me, she was also having a affair with a man I knew. He was older as well and when I knew him, he was a horrible person. But later in his life he changed. I guess it must have been some kind of weird Karma happening because he became infatuated with her and she went to live with him. Poor guy. I know the "living hell" he was about to endure.

After I left this lady, I found I lived or worked briefly with a few more people that needed help. Like I said, it wasn't until I learned about all this Astral projection stuff that I found that I was in some way begin "retrieving" people. Yet these people were still here in the physical.

So, that it for that. After I left this "Demonic" lady, I tried to learn everything I could about what had experienced. That was part of my own healing I guess. I even read that book the Necronomicon looking for answers or a understanding there. No, I didn't do the rituals. I just wanted to understand. What were my conclusions? I still don't know. What I do know though is I have never witnessed any "Evil" entity in the NPR.

This led to my fascination with Magick.  Magick is basically based around a focused will and intent, the same as this practice of non local consciousness is. Magick is the science and art of causing change (in consciousness) to occur in conformity with will, using means not currently understood by traditional Western science. This soon led to Scrying. I had bought a Scrying mirror that was supposedly over a hundred years old. Yes it looked old, but I guess I bought the "sales pitch", lol  

Scrying is a lot like Astral Projection.. The only differences I see is one uses a Mirror, with your eyes completely open, while you "notice". The other is done with your eye shut while you still "notice".

I guess the reason I shared all of this is because see that I have been "groomed" to do this. So have you. Look back in your life and see what drove you to this practice here. What changes or events caused you to walk down this path? How did life "direct" you here?

Today I am still experiencing many firsts. Other than leaving my Family when I was younger and never returning, I have never lost anyone in my life. I have helped others that have though. Whether that loss was due to Suicide of just a death period, I have been there for people. Today, I am on the verge of experiencing first hand myself. My current love has had a terminal disease for a few years now and even though it is moving/progressing at a "snail's pace". It is still progressing. The tumors are still growing.

Through this practice here I have learned some important things. I have learned that we ourselves can't decide whether a person lives of dies. We can pray, but in the end, it is "their" decision. With my love, I told her a few years back that she is the Author of this story and that she is the one that decides how and when it ends. That thinking seems "cold". I mentioned my view on that to a few of her Family members and they did not understand at all. But then again, they could never understand me either. Their focus has always been solely in the physical and at this point in their lives, there is no way that will change.

When I do my Phase soak sessions, the first thing I do after relaxing into the water and closing my eyes is my "healing modality". In it, I create or should I say mentally image being surrounded by a golden Pyramid. (A Pyramid doesn't surprise me since for some reason I have always felt a closeness with them, like a History we share) I image the golden energy around me, I then use the Mantra "Ra Ma Dah Sah Sah Say So Hung". I repeat that mentally 3 times while viewing a visual that corresponds to each syllable. Ra being the Sun and Flame, Ma is the water, Dah the earth, Sa the air and finally Hung is the release of this energy to those in need. When i create my Pyramid, I invite people that need that healing and will except it into my space. I visualize each person as I do it. Normally, I will see them as younger than they are now. But no matter how much I try, I can't see or even image two people. One is my Love that I live here with. The other is a friend that is slowly losing all of his memory. It hurts to see this. But I know the reason why. I know that they have made their choice and all I can do is support them in it.

I shared that little "ritual" with you. It doesn't take a long time to do it. The images during my Mantra come through crystal clear at times. So when I move onto the next part of my Phase soak session, which is just noticing or doing some other proactive mental imagery, I am already "primed" for action.

Through the years here people have read my threads, posts and techniques and they seem to come across as easy to do. They do the techniques I teach here and may fail, questioning why. Why? Because they haven't seen what led me to this path. They don't see how much work and focus it took to get to where I am. I may talk about a bit of mental prepping. But words alone are hard to explain it at times. There is a lot of "priming the pump"  being done before I actually get into the noticing itself. This is likely why I find that the "void" has already appeared before me. That's when I look "through" the cloud or wisps of light I may be seeing. Even when imagery begins, I still just observe it". I look through the imagery until I find myself in it.

Sorry for such a long post. But as I saw in my recent Phase soak session, for some reason it was necessary to post this all here.

Thank you for listening!

[And when you were talking to "source"... were you expecting a verbal answer in reply?Remember, answers can come in any way, shape or form. Be open to whatever happens.]

This actually would have been one of my issues or questions or suspicions raised. An 'etheric' exit would naturally lead to an etheric projection which is normally into the physical/RTZ zone. Or a lower (astral) layer? So how would we use this if we were intending to project to higher realms/planes (mental, etc.). (For retrieval work, at least when you start in the 'low astral' it could work fine though). But I see you gave already part of an answer.

Once I used a technique where I hugged/touched a tree with my arms and found myself projected before the tree in the garden of my home but not the current version of today where the tree is no longer there. It is usually the childhood version (in the astral I suppose).

Volgerle I understand your concerns. For now, why don't we just do what's necessary to "prime the pump" and see where that leads us. During my Phase soak sessions I keep myself open to see and be taught what is necessary for me to see or be taught at that time. That is why I have a wide range of experiences in many different planes, some mental, some physical, some "other". Basically I could probably discern that they seem to follow Kurt Leland's descriptions of the different planes/levels of consciousness.

You found that your focused targeting of the that tree did yield a RTZ experience of sorts. But not this immediate RTZ. You experienced a different "frequency" of your current physical surroundings. Possibly it was a "past" view of what used to be there.

In the past and still today I talk about occasionally using my "Happy Place", otherwise known as my tranquil Island paradise scenario, as "launching pad". Where I am launched to is usually determined by what I "found" on in my Happy Place that was new to me. Example: I would be roaming around the Island and come across some kind of community that I didn't remember being there inn the past. I would then "investigate/explore" this new area and it would immediately yield it's own "secrets" or "purpose" for being there.

Whether it was to called a RTZ/lower level. whatever you wish to call it, it was still a "NPR" experience. There also comes a time when you can completely change your focus and if "necessary" your intent will be fulfilled.

Questions answered as a "yes or no" don't seem to occur there. Everything seems to work like a giant puzzle. Your answer comes in all different forms. That's why it's important to log your results, no matter how trivial you may find them. That will help you put all the pieces of that puzzle together so you may come to your final understanding of your inquiry.
Xanth said this to Mars recently in thread here "And when you were talking to "source"... were you expecting a verbal answer in reply?
Remember, answers can come in any way, shape or form.  Be open to whatever happens.

He was spot on with that quote!  

Regarding the foot and hand alternation thing:

Is it possible to also already combine the left/right feeling with an etheric movement of the hands?

So this would be
- feel left hand
- feel right hand
- move left hand to left (etheric)
- move right hand to right (etheric)

Or similar.

Volgerle, you are "jumping the gun". But that's okay. I was going to start with just a simple movement of the etheric fingers and toes. Moving the whole hand is better though.

The one thing you will learn is that when you put your focus on a appendage/body part, as in moving it etherically, that your physical nerves will fire as well. It takes a while until you can learn to "only" move the targeted etheric limb. That's going to happen though because all our lives we have been taught that all there is and ever was is this physical realm here. All our lives we have been taught to just be "physical". So to become proficient with etheric body movements, we need to kind of rewire that kind of thinking and mindset. It takes work to do that.

I stated above that I wouldn't be surprised if these exercises jump started a exit symptom. I will go one further and say I wouldn't be surprised if while doing one of these exercise that you actually found that you have already shifted. While doing them myself I had numerous times where I found that I could see through my closed eyelids. At time, it was more of a RTZ (real time zone) experience. The same thing happens while doing a Phase soak session. Once in a while, while doing a etheric based focus in my bathtub, I will be able to see through my closed eyelids as well.

Most of my Phase sessions won't appear as a RTZ experience. Many of them seem to take on more of a Akashic record locale/mental projection or some kind of Retrieval based experience. Especially when I go and open "doors", as in using my Doorway technique to explore.

Count me in!
I am coincidentally already doing a 'lying flat in bed' excercise since this week (except with pillow, I skip this now).
When I do this between sleep cycles I sometimes get an intense vibrational state, but this state also disappears as fast as it came!

Great to hear. I guess it is true, the timing is right! 

Lumaza,

Okay, I'm on board.  I am starting tonight for my weekly lesson.  I have recently asked myself during meditation what I need to work on and the answer that came back to me was my Awareness!  So here we go!  I can post in a week to update on any progress.

Great timing then!  

Hope your fingers aren't sore!  Feel free to use Bullet/Point form if you think that might be easier.  

LOL!   That wasn't the post I was initially going to make. I decided to break it down into sections, instead of putting the whole thing down in one long go. That way we can all work ourselves and "acclimate" ourselves into it!  

Yes Ev, how to explain, from my perspective anyway. I'm capable of actually seeing a dual reality while fully conscious (awake). That is seeing what you would see if you were beside me and seeing (I guess I would say) what isn't there. Now you might see it too but most people wont. That's one dual perspective.

Then there is that one when you are out of body or inner body(depending how you perceive it) where you see dual or multiple perspectives of the same thing or completely different things (environments). It does get pretty mind blowing, especially when you try to talk about it, lol.

Sometimes these experiences can leave you really really boggled. Ev you are whiz at this, you just haven't seen it yourself yet. No kidding.

Sometimes during my Phase soak sessions I will have my bathroom fan on. While enjoying a good NPR experience I will still hear that fan. Just yesterday while in a real unique experience I was walking in some RTZ, yet my physical feet were the ones feeling the sensation of my feet hitting the ground. It was really weird. My feet were almost burning. They felt hot, even though they weren't in the water. I am about 6'2, so when I lie in the bathtub, my feet are high against the wall, never in the water.

[I used that Title above to catch your attention]

 " I used that Title above to catch your attention. I repeated that because it was true.

A few days ago I had another really eye opening teaching experience. It all happened in a Phase soak session I had. I drew the bath and jumped in. I laid back in the water and noticed a temp fluctuation. For some reason, I didn't have the temperature of the water even. Where my head and shoulders were, the water seemed to be colder. I first tried to ignore it and just closed my eyes to relax, but for some reason my focus stayed on it and it bothered me. So, I began kind of waving my arms and hands underwater to distribute the water evenly. For some reason I felt it was important to focus on the sensation of the waves that I was creating.

I stopped my arm waving and just began relaxing further into the warmth of the water. I then started my healing modality. That consists of creating a dome of energy around me and then inviting people that need that healing into it. I learned that from a member here named "Skeptic".

All of a sudden I had the sensation of my arm waving in the water again. This peaked my curiosity. I could also feel that no waves were being felt by my physical body. This showed me that this sensation was "etheric" in nature, instead of being a physical one. I focused completely on this for a few minutes and then I felt that I was sinking deeper into the water. Again I knew this wasn't physically possible since my bathtub is only so deep. The next thing I knew I was under water and moving deeper. I didn't have to worry about breathing under water. I really didn't give it a second thought. I have had many underwater or "flying' experiences during my Phase sessions. The only time it was a problem was during a "indirect", more of spontaneous experience where I had to become aware that I was either in water or flying. These happened during LDs. Almost every time I became aware I was flying, I immediately crashed and burned, lol. It took awhile until I could get that under control. The water experiences ended up just as disastrous  This happened because in a LD/Indirect method there is a "click out", a loss of consciousness. This means that when you become aware, you need to get your bearings on where you are and what's happening. That tends to make us conscious of more a physical mindset, with the physical rules that govern this realm here. During a "Direct" method, you are conscious the entire way, thus no surprises. You can fly, breathe under water, etc. because you are consciously aware the entire time. There is no "click out", no loss of consciousness. So yes, that is way easier to do then a "direct" technique. But, you won't become conscious every single time you attempt that. You aren't proactively creating the opportunity. I use affirmations every single night, the same thing I have done for years. Sometimes it will lead to me becoming aware, other times not. But every single time I do a Phase session, "something" occurs.

Volgerle that's where I see the difference between the two of them. I don't call it a indirect technique when you do a WBTB and use a proactive technique unless there is a "click out". The loss of consciousness makes all the difference.

During my Phase soak session above I experienced a number of "etheric"/tactile circumstances. I was also constantly reminded after one section of things, like the underwater scene, how important a "tactile" experience was. I was prompted to go back to teach that once again and so I created this thread to do just that. Many times while in a Phase session I will be prompted or shown different things. Sometimes it's what to reply to a member here after I have read their post. During my Phase sessions I leave the door to whatever kind of teaching or experience is necessary at the time. That means no intent. Just staying blank and observing what happens next. I have seen how beneficial that is to do. Many of my new Crystal Amplifier designs come from just that.
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So, to begin this Etheric exercise we are going to start at the basics and work our way up. For now, if you wish to join this, we are going to just lie flat on our bed. First turn your phone off. Make sure you are rid of any distractions for the next 1/2 hour.

Lie completely flat. No pillow. Close your eyes and do a quick progressive relaxation. Begin at your toes and work yourself up until your last focus is "overtop" of your head. Don't stop at your head. Your last point will be above your head. Just a foot is good.

A progressive relaxation technique basically involves you targeting certain parts of your body and systematically relaxing each one of them. You can use the mental command during this, for example "My toes are relaxed, relaxed, relaxed, my toes are relaxed". Then, move onto the next targeted area, like the foot, ankle, shin, knee, thigh etc. You don't have to spend a lot of time on this. We aren't doing a NEW technique where we are sweeping or moving any energy. For now, it's all about relaxing.

Now that you are relaxed we are going to target our awareness on a few things. We are going to target just the hands and the feet. Focus on your left hand. Be aware of it. Once you can "feel" it, move on to the next hand. Keep going for the feet as well. Now you can start kind of pinballing your focus back and forth between your hands and your feet. You might actually feel a pull in that direction. This is what you want. Your "etheric" body is beginning to react as well.

Practice that every day for a week. Another thing I want you to practice is getting used to your etheric body. This can be done in many ways. Example, I go to pick up a pencil. Before I physically pick it up, I will try to pick it up with my "etheric hand". When I go to open my fridge or a door, I will first try it with my etheric hand. Get used to that sensation. Yes, we are starting will simple things, but we will progress quickly from there.

Why is this important? Once again, this will aid you when you find yourself in the NP. I won't be surprised if you report that "exit signs/symptoms" started to occur while you were doing these things. It may be a slight buzzing or maybe a "phantom limb" moving. Be aware of it. This entire exercise is based on strengthening awareness. Be aware of your feet as you walk. When you drive, be aware of everything. Feel that motion.

Next week we will get a bit deeper into this. For now, start simple. I talked about exercise akin to these in the "Phantom wiggle" thread here on the Pulse. This time, we will take that much further. You become so aware of your "etheric body" that navigating in the NPR will become second nature. You will see how this will help in your LDs as well. It's win win!  

 I used that Title above to catch your attention. The real Title I wanted to use was more of a question and that is "Does anyone here seriously practice non-local states of consciousness anymore? That Title would have been too long for the box given above, lol! 

Seriously though. I want to write share some new things that I have learned that I feel would help those that wish to learn to project, but I don't want to waste yours or my time. I hate typing. The new thread I wish to write would be a somewhat lengthy one. Then there is the problem of writing a long post just to have this Forum not post it, due to the fact that it is a old system. I know that some of you have that happen to them and find it as annoying as I do.

I see a serious practitioner as someone that works towards experiencing the "NPR" (non physical realms), in every way they possibly can. I see a serious practitioner as someone that is actually going to do the work to do just that.

Lately I have seen that many here rather go the route of waking up to a NPR, as in a indirect method (WBTB/LD), instead of facing it head on, like one does with a direct method. There is so much you learn about yourself with a direct method. There are so many things that you have to overcome. Yes, it is a challenge. I get that. But there is so much that you learn through that challenge.

I wish to write a new thread on Etheric exercises. Already I can see many of the "past" experiencers here rolling their eyes. I say past, because many of those people's voices have gone silent. They may now have an occasional experience. But the passion that brought them to this Forum in the first place is now null and void. Why a thread on Etheric body exercise? Because it teaches you so much that you can utilize while in a NP. It teaches you how to navigate your surrounding. It teaches you how "HOLD" your focus. It helps you "ground" yourself in the scene. A direct method takes the element of surprise away, that shocks many people back to their physical selves. Is it more work? Hell yes. But you learn so much during it.

So, once again I ask, "Are any serious practitioners here on the Astral Pulse"?  If not, I will move on to a new avenue to teach.
     Thank You!

 I have received PMs from members here questioning me on using my Bathtub while Phasing. A friend of mine and current member here Baro-san brought up the fact to me that "Archimedes" also found new inspirations while in the Bath.
I recently found a article that explains that concept in easy to understand terms. The other things I read were mostly using the "Olde English" vernacular.
https://www.osho.com/osho-online-library/osho-talks/relaxation-non-doing-archimedes-d8ca959d-0b6?p=855b02b6f6f515f1e72cb2f0e3373ef4

Thanks Lumaza! I was really scared there for a little bit...  Here is what sea stars look like:

Oh, a "Starfish". I thought that's what you meant! 

It was an interesting AP even though it started kinda bad... 

You stayed with it though. Kudos for that!  That's what happens when you pass the initial fear test. You get to reap the rewards of your bravery! 

Just curious, what's a "sea star"?

Yes I did read that thread. It goes over my head a bit but still found it fascinating. I'm reminded of it from time to time (like now) and like to revisit.

I wish Vessen was still active here. Well, he was never really that active. He just answered posts on his thread. I found his discussions fascinating nonetheless.

I found this basic intro to his Vehram Array while doing a google search. It looks like it's a Ad. At least that's the way it is set up. But he isn't selling anything there. It's more explanatory than anything.
https://www.learning-mind.com/quantum-physics-consciousness/

Exactly and sometimes I find that easy as pie while other times it's near impossible as my brain will just keep insisting on filling in the blanks. But don't you love it when you get that dual impression Lumaza where you see what's there (near as is possible) AND that image your brain is set on.

I have learned to hold onto a dual reality focus. It was very hard to do and I can only do it for a short time, then one or the other will take over completely.

Totally agree on the weather. That's interesting to me Lumaza regarding the full moon. I had always thought I would feel that way and I think sometimes I do but what seems to affect me most is damp weather. And when the barometric pressure drops there's always something to tap into. Can you tell a difference in the energy with the full moon, like does the energy feel lighter/heavier?

I seem to really feel it with a approaching storm, like today for instance. Right now we are expecting anywhere from 10-14 inches of snow with this approaching snow storm. That's to add with the 9 inches we got from the storm a few days ago. To tell you the truth, I actually feel pain in my spine when the energy that high.
The energy of a full moon seems to be easy to tap into. I have found, that it seems to increase the intensity of the actual shift itself. That's when I "brace myself and enjoy the ride"!  

Not being afraid to play around with the energy certainly allows for more learning. We should be serious with this practice I know and as we both know we are often 'pushed' to do it a certain way and learn a certain thing but sometimes we just have to kind of say hey wait a minute I want to explore a bit on my own. Gotta be fearless (I say as I crouch at the head of my bed screaming 'go way you beast'. LOL

My motto is "go with the flow". Many times "we" have a set of plan or intent, but what we may experience is of a completely different nature. That's when you accept what is given or shown to you and be thankful that it is being shown to you in the first place. Keep open and the NP will keep opening itself to you. Once you think you know what is happening, there is no longer a need to be taught. That's when we find ourselves "stuck" and unable to progress further.

Nameless have you ever attempted Vessen Hopkin's "Vehram technique"? It is really energy oriented. In that thread Vessen describes what is actually occurring using his teachings and knowledge of Physics. It gets pretty deep in Scientific lingo/terminology as well. Szaxx had some good questions for him. It seemed his field of study was right up Szaxx's alley as well.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/the_vehram_system_is_truly_brilliant-t29333.0.html

It is very close to Major Tom's/Fred Aardema's technique as well. Both of them sharing the "reaching out" to the energy field that surrounds everything. This is what I based my discussion in the thread "How do you perform the Phantom Wiggle" and also the "Doorway" thread on. Both teach how to access this energy field and to utilize it for whatever purpose is needed.

And remember the image you see is probably more colored by your thoughts than what they actually look like.

I found that fundamental very hard to overcome. Example, a red image, kind of blob would appear before me, very faint to start with, My mind would then create some kind of automatic mental association with that image. Example red blob/apple. At times you could liken it to a "ink blob test".
It took a long time before I could just sit back "passively observe" and "allow" it to morph into what it wanted to, not what I was "guiding" it to. To do that you need to learn to put the "analytical' side of your brain on "standby"!  

I haven't decided if that is due to having a lower vibration than needed at the time or if there is simply more energy than I can control comfortably.

I agree. Some days it feels like we are "clicking on all cylinders" and other times it's like "pulling teeth". I try to look at all the variables, including the weather. For some reason I am really in tune with the weather patterns and even the fluctuations in the barometer. Also the energy seems to be higher with a approaching full moon.

I do feel there is much more to this practice than just projecting so glad to see you're willing to play around and see what comes.

Agreed 100%. You learn so much about yourself in this practice. It makes you recognize and sometimes break down the many layers that make you you. It's a whole different type of school. If more people awoke to this, they would treat others that they come across a whole lot better!