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 "I hear footsteps"!  The first thing I do is grab my camera, lol! Yes, it has become "that" kind of world!    

madmagus, this is an excellent extension of your previous thread and a topic I hope can spur some discussion. Over the last several years, my own thinking about this has traveled similar lines of thought. Decades ago, I read some works by La Berge and Garfield and much of their dream exploration opened me to some of these questions.

Madmagus, I second EV's statement above. This is a excellent extension of your previous thread and one that I wish we had talked about here years ago.

I have long had thoughts about what is occurring during sleep with dream dysfunctionality and particularly REM deprivation, having gone through it myself many times. But it has become an especially acute problem for me the last nearly ten years culminating in a few episodes the last year which seemed to go 'off the chart'. Maybe this is also part of the NP learning process; or maybe just my personal lessons within it. During business trips, I often cannot sleep the first couple days; even during vacation-like trips, I have trouble. These, I can get through, but they are seriously bothersome. Often I get significant NP experiences. The sleep/dream deprivation then becomes just another of several NP techniques, although in my opinion, an effective but difficult one. During two of my three week-long courses at The Monroe Institute (TMI), I was unable to sleep for the first three nights; the fourth night an hour, the fifth two hours, etc. This wasn't a fault of TMI's, it was purely a personal thing with me. And despite numerous over-the-counter and even prescribed sleep medications, they did nothing for me. At a certain point, I began to accept the condition and explore it for what experience it was providing me. I found that I reached a kind of threshold level- Every night I was getting the opportunity for rest and relaxation, but my mind was not shutting down. This brought about a minimal physical recovery with an increasing degree of mental exhaustion and a degree of emotional emergency, but it felt like I reached a 'threshold point' where the physical and mental exhaustion stabilized and I discovered a new operating level for myself. It's hard to put into words and wasn't fully realized until a couple months later where I was in a physically higher-stressed environment and could not sleep for five days yet still had to physically work a 14 hour day. And I found that 'operating level' again and realized it could continue for an extended period of time. For me, it provided a new perspective on awareness and dreaming. In each of these experiences, the several moments that I did drop into sleep, I instantly went into REM and usually lucid awareness...mostly uncontrolled, as all I wanted to do was sleep...and then Bang! I was awake again.

It occurred to me several years ago, the similarity of how our human minds operate compared to how we have designed computers. Just separating the idea of the mind versus the physical brain, is a discussion for another thread. But the idea of the necessity for 'de-fragging' both a computer and the mind becomes evident in our experience, and ordering and consolidating our experiences seems pretty apparent; along with discarding the unnecessary debris. Not that every night is the same, but often it seems that the first REM period gives us what I call 'house-cleaning' type dreams, sometimes we are literally cleaning house or sorting through rooms, arranging things, looking for things misplaced. These or the next set of dreams often involve local emotional conflicts- the stuff we dealt with at work or during the last few days. This pattern seems to continue throughout our sleep period, gradually moving to deeper and longer-term emotional and relational issues; family stuff. This pattern may persist until morning or we may actually move into deeper, highly-metaphorical and far-ranging personal exploration, even some NP explorations right up to the point of final awakening.

Again, this pattern can change and many of us have found NP experiences and Instructional Simulations thrown in anywhere within this mess at any time.

So, many great points made above. As usual EV, you were both informative and articulate in your delivery!  

I have found that "everything" in our lives happens for a reason. I developed Trigeminal Neuralgia a few years, during what I could call at the time, my "peak" with my NP explorations. I thought it was a curse. Every time I went to close my eyes and go to sleep the Trigeminal Nerves would become inflamed and cause spasms. This kept me Lucid for hours while attempting to fall asleep. This also led to a understanding of Tibetan Dream Yoga. I would be conscious not only into the first Dream cycle, but actually a number of Dream cycles. I saw that my first Dreams had to deal with what I was experiencing in the "now", as in, what my activities of the day or even the last few weeks were. Chores I had to do, etc. My next cycle had to deal with the "past". Reliving past pleasant and not so pleasant experiences, personal (deep) healing. From there I moved onto a "anything goes" cycle, where as the phrase says, "anything goes". Then came the "other". This was more directed at helping others, as in "recovery/Retrieval/Hero" experiences. Every cycle had it's own level of "teachings" and lessons. I would wake up in the morning/afternoon and immediately log my nightly experiences. After a few years of this, I don't log them anymore, unless I find them to be incredibly bizarre. Then comes the "other". This category, I find has to do with experiences of a "unearthly" level. This is where the real training, per se, occurs.

This has also led to experiences of actual OBEs, in the true sense of what a OBE is, "Out of Body Experiences", whereas I am completely consciously aware that I am "exiting" my physical form, in more of "etheric"/real time experience. Those experiences are usually the same, with me awaking just before SP or during it. Sometimes I will just become aware of the "Astral winds" or mild vibrational waves approaching. A full exit doesn't usually occur until the Astral winds and vibrations become a constant. Then there is usually a raising of my legs/tug on my ankles. Next, I am out. I can set and intent and go, but usually I just try to be a observer and find out the "whys" of the exit. I have slowed the process down and done all kinds of experimenting on it. I have attempted to strengthen the vibrations or sounds. Many times I have purposely "aborted" the exit just to see what happens next or log something important about it in my Journals.

I find all kinds of patterns in my experiences. These patterns have completely opened me up to discussions on "parallel universes". Constantly I find myself in areas where I am known to those there, but I have  no clue who these people/entities are or where I even am. My family/friends are usually different. The situations I find myself are completely foreign to me as well.

All of this was revealed from the onset of Trigeminal Neuralgia. I believe that it has been more of a blessing, than a curse. It can still be quite painful though!  

At first, I would become Lucid and immediately wake up. Then I went through a period of becoming Lucid in the "simulations" and trying to alter the scenario I was experiencing. Many times that led to a failure and immediate physical awakening. But, this also led to immediate "reboots", where I woke up and found myself back in the same experience over and over again. Then I learned to just "observe", without reacting. After awhile, I would know when it was time to engage in the scenario. I use this same process when I do my daily Phase sessions too.
I would have many experiences that would result in what I call "re-scripting". This re-scripting though, didn't seem like it was being initiated by me, at least at the conscious level I was at the time. It always led to some sort of lesson or teaching. It could happen as many times as it would need to, for me to finally get it right. I have questioned many times, who was judging whether I got it right or not. This led me to the conclusion after awhile there is some kind of "system" or management/Overseer at play here.

After a few years now, this has become "automatic". I keep the fact that I know I am in a "Dream simulation" in the back of my mind. I know what it is occurring, but I completely engage in the experience/scenario at hand.

I still use almost the same nightly affirmation that I developed years ago. It has undergone some minor tweaks. Here it is for those that wish to hear it. You don't need to use mine. Mine works for me because I tailored it to me. The main point is the "intent". Also, you must say your affirmation in a "already done" mindset. Here's mine.
"By my act of will I "RELEASE" my focus over my physical body. "PLEASE TAKE ME" to your desired destination. "SHOW ME" what I need to "SEE". "PLEASE TEACH ME" what I "NEED TO LEARN". I am "CONSCIOUSLY AWARE, KNOWING" my physical body is lying safely in my bed. "I LEARN" from, "ENJOY" and have full "MEMORY" of them when I awaken for the day."

All the words in capitals above, I visualize completely, letter by letter. That affirmation may seem lengthy, but only while you are reading it. It really doesn't take much time at all. It works for me though and that's all that's important.

Great thread madmagus!  

Once again, I second EV, "great thread"!  

@ EV,
Its nice to know you're making good progress, I guess by now things automatically click into place making room for further developments. The more you do the better, they can be challenging too as some tests are not so obvious until you succeed.
@all,

I second that comment Szaxx. The more you are open to learning anew, the more you shall be taught.

Madmagnus, the Dream triggers are important in the beginning. After awhile though, you will find that this all becomes "automatic". You don't have to fight or strive hard to become lucid and when you do, you just "go with the flow" of things. I don't change the scenario at hand either, I see it through for what it has to show me or teach me.

When you learn to gain more control, you and your NP personality will become more in "sync". Your NP personality will actually become prevalent in your waking life as well. It goes both ways. You will also come to the conclusion, (if you haven't already), that parallel universes do really exist.

 Windwalker, my condolences on your recent loss! 

All I can offer is that comforting thought that she truly is in a better place now. Give yourself some time to heal. You will find that she will return someday in one of your "NP" experiences to reveal that she truly is okay.

Back about 8 or 9 years ago, we watched as "Lou Gehrig"s disease" consumed MJ's mother. It was terrible to see the suffering she went through. Her body had shut down, but unfortunately her mind was last to go. The disease didn't attack her brain though. So, she had to suffer the whole experience , even losing her ability to speak, while still being fully cognizant of it.

 I love those "Hero" dreams. I have written about them often here. I don't find myself working with other "super heroes" though. I normally become aware during some kind of "dire" situation and then "instinct" kicks in and I attempt to calm the situation, using anything at my disposal. Sometimes "super powers" are used to end the dilemma at hand.

I haven't seen the new movie yet. MJ and I just wait until they come out on Netflicks or pay for view. I do miss the "theater" experience though. But I have never been in a seat that moved before, like your "D Box" experience did. That sounds like a cool experience in itself! 

Game of Thrones and Avengers together. That would be "epic"!   

 Wow, those are beautiful Plume. Once again, you are revealing and sharing your awesome talent here! 

It's a different style of Dreamcatcher then I have seen. But I find that "different" is good!  I love the "Celtic" touch there. It brings you back to your "ancient" roots.

I have found the "NP" to be a fabulous way of inspiring and actually working on new designs. Just now, I finished creating a new Bonsai style Crystal Amplifier, once again, due to my "NP" visions.

Keep up the great work my Dear! 

 Nameless, I find periods of "silence" to occur when we are about to take one of life's "forks" in the road. The silence is there so you may fully contemplate and focus on which path you choose. Like you said, "you feel they are still there". But at the moment they are allowing "YOU" to decide which path to choose. Once you do that, you will find that "communication" will resume.

But then the question still remains what does it mean to not forgive others and then God won't forgive them?

To answer that properly, I would have to believe that that statement is true, which I don't. So, there's my answer I guess.

We came here to this physical realm to experience and "learn" from those experiences. The good, bad and ugly are all said experiences. Unfortunately, it's the bad and ugly that hold some of the most profound lessons in our lives.

 Plasma, how do you "know" for sure that in this case, the boy and the rapist didn't make a plan, (before they both incarnated here in the physical), to be raped, thus helping the boy experience something he came here to experience ? The event then might just lead the boy down a certain path in life, like opening up a Center for those that suffer as well from any form of abuse.
There are many people that report becoming "Light Workers" after experiencing some kind of extreme "darkness" in their own lives.

Just another way to look at it!

I have been using this simple technique for a few evenings now.  The other night I was in my usual recliner chair with foot rest extended outwards.  I had my sleep mask on and my headphones on just to help keep unwanted distractions from breaking my focus.  I was doing well when out of the blue I felt the motion very quickly as I was using my feet to close the recliner chair...then I realized this was all in the NP.  I was back in the physical now and my body was still in the reclined and relaxed position with feet outstretched.  It sure didn't take long to slip my consciousness from physical to NP.  

Other evenings I have tried and didn't seem able to get anywhere.  Will keep working at it.

I have times when I just lie back into the water, close my eyes, during my Phase session and find I am instantly "there". Then there are other times when it takes some time before things begin occurring. I haven't been able to pin point any method to that madness, lol.

That's why I just "go with the flow" now. Take what I get and work with it. You can have so many strange sensations that you don't know whether you are experiencing them physically or etherically. I always question them after the fact though. While in a Phase session I always strive to "stay the course".

 EV, I second Volergle's comment here. "What a fantastic Retrieval experience", with such great memory recall as well!

All I can say is that this further validates my past comments about "expecting the unexpected". Just when you thought you knew the "rule's"/lay of the land", it changes.

It looks like your "Retrievee" needed to be "slow rolled". He wasn't quite ready to move to the end of the process, which could also be known as his "new beginning". That would be so cool if you were called on in the future to help him move onto his next step. That you could retrieve him once again. You already know him, so the "trust factor" is there.  

 Today while using this simple practice in my own Phase session I found that when you gently gaze into the darkness before your eyes, pick a certain point to focus on and hold your focus there, even when you are becoming aware of the other directions. You will see that this will really intensify the experience.

Just pick a invisible dot in the middle of your "viewing screen". Hold your attention there. About 5 or 10 minutes into this gently gaze, slowly start to become aware of each directional point. Over/Under/Up/Down and if you want to really have some fun, Forward/Backwards. There is no rush. This is no race. Just be "AWARE". That's it. Don't question, don't actively "create" the narrative, Just simply be "AWARE" of it.

There is plenty of time to go deeper with this later.

Good Luck

Feel free to share and post your results here. I'm sure other Members and "Seekers" here would love to read them.

Lumaza,

Thanks for adding the link to the video you came across.  It was helpful with another explanation of how the technique works.  I will keep working on this as it is very simple to do.   

Your Welcome! 

I get what you mean, Lumaza, I understand. But as you might know me a little already, also from my Void article or other posts. I like categorizing, researching, structuring, discussing ... so yes, I am guilty of constant 'overthinking'.

I know exactly who I am talking to, lol!  That is why I said "don't overthink it". There is plenty of time to do that after the fact. Just be aware and learn to allow things to commence and they will. The first thing I was taught by a Mentor that showed up earlier in my practice was to "learn to allow and passively observe "everything" around you that you see and experience". In other words, be a good "Observer" first.
Sometimes we are guilty of missing a lesson because we never slowed down enough to understand it in the first place. I find that "they" seem to like "good listeners"!  They enjoy people that will allow their curiosity to take them further. To make them into "seasoned Travelers".

This one seems appropriate for me!

I tried your simple method last evening.  I sat on the sofa chair and closed my eyes (used a sleep mask as well to keep from distractions).  Within a few minutes of staring ahead I was getting lots of imagery.  My arms and legs were numb very quickly.  I saw a fern above me on a shelf.  I was moving thru a parkade when I was focusing on what was below.  None of the imagery was very vivid in detail but it was certainly there.  The refrigerator in the kitchen kicked in which startled me out of my focus.  Once I was back in again my neighbour was home and could hear her slamming the door in the house next door.  After that I had to stop as there were too many distractions.  Something I need to work on by being able to ignore the outside distractions.

Sounds like you guys are making progress with MJ's son.  That's great!  

Awesome. Good job!   ...and yes, it is very simple to do and does not take a lot of time either. You can stop the focus whenever you feel you have had enough.

My suggestion to you would be to get a good pair of "earplugs". I use earplugs and a sleep mask when I sleep. During my Phase soak sessions, I use neither. A few times I have created distractions, such as a slow drip from a faucet, just to help me to work my way through them. After awhile, nothing really distracted me anymore and we live in the Country where there is a lot of hunting done. So, there can be some pretty loud distractions. If anything, I learned to enjoy them. Sometimes I just zone them out, other times I can still have a dual reality perspective. But I just become aware of them and then let them go.

I had learned a technique years ago that was great to not only to rid myself of distractions, but be able to just mentally acknowledge them, then stay the course. This technique had me thinking of my physical body as a piece of 'Swiss cheese", with all the holes in it. I just let any distracting sounds flow right through me. This technique is also used in meditation to rid oneself of "Monkey Mind". In that, you just allow the thoughts you have to permeate your body and go right though you.

This technique that I shared above about focus would also work to alleviate oneself of Monkey Mind. It still uses a very simple of my "Disassociation" technique that I have shared here in this thread in the past. It's just a water downed version of it. In the simple awareness technique above, you are just briefly becoming aware of directions, front, up, down, left and right. You could add backwards if you wish. I always find a focus on what is "behind" you, to jumpstart some very strange and interesting, not only scenarios, but also sensations to boot. You don't need to "engage" them and explore them further. But that option is always open to you!  

This morning I awoke to use the bathroom. I then went back to bed. But before I fell asleep again, I did this very simple technique above once again.

Somewhere along the line I became aware of voices. It sounded like Nathan (MJ's son) and his grandson. I questioned that in my mind because Nathan, because of his wheelchair and condition, can not make it up to our home, without a good amount of assistance. He hasn't been here since his accident.

Little Noah then woke me up and said, "it's time to get up". I acknowledged his presence, then went back to sleep. But when I did, I began doing summersaults and all kinds of weird tumbles above my body. I felt myself rising and that's when the summersaults and acrobatics ensued.

Once again, I heard Nate and Noah talking. This time I just ignored it and then once again the tumbling ensued. I don't have much more conscious recall beyond that. I clicked out and woke up for real at 3:45 in the afternoon.

I came out of the bedroom and saw MJ sitting in her chair. I then asked her if Nate and Noah had come over earlier. As I expected, the answer was no.

Anyways, it was good to have a long sleep in. I haven't had one of those for a while, since I go work on Nate almost every week day. The only time I get now for sleep ins is on the weekends. That is the time I get to work on my Crystal Amplifier designs till the wee hours of morning now.

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While today perusing through another Forum, called the "Roundtable Forum", I came across this video in a thread they had there.

The gentleman in it basically uses a method I have been using for years now, although he describes the reasons in a different way then I do for why a directional focus works so well. I never knew that there was actual "educated" alliances with technique. I just caught onto it myself years ago by visualizing motion, like simulating driving a car, etc. This came to me because I noticed that many times when I was just becoming aware in the NP, it was  normally during some motion related event, like flying above a landscape, driving a car and one of the experience for some reason is "riding a Horse", which I don't do in real life here. As a child, I fell from a Horse. Haven't been back on one since that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kebLRelRBak

 Lately have been using a fun little simple exercise on not only myself, but also on MJ's son, who had a tragic accident last year that has left him a Quadriplegic. We have been working for months now on waking up and rewiring his brain to nerve/muscle/tendon communication. He has been shocking his Doctors with how fast he has been recovering. He has gotten back limited movement in his fingers, which that in itself shows progress. He also has gotten back his upper body strength. Right now, some of his Doctors have been using him as a positive example for others in his condition.

So, back to the simple technique here. I use this on before we get into the physical therapy part of my visits. I am not a Doctor and know nothing about the muscles, nerves, etc. I just close my eyes and see what he needs at the time. Much of what we do is "energy work related".

Close your eyes and relax for a moment. Focus solely on the darkness before your closed eyes. Don't "strain" you eyes, just use a relaxed gaze, as you notice the darkness there. Do this for about 5 minutes.

Now, without looking up, I just want you to become aware of what is above you.  You could also see it as looking at the top part of the dark screen you are looking at. Just become aware of it. Once again, totally relaxed. Now, become aware of what is below you. After that, become aware of what is to the left of you, then what is to the right. Don't move your eyes, Keep them in the same soft gaze that you have had on the darkness before your eyes for the entire exercise.

If an accompanying vision should appeal or you Have a tactile feeling, like raising, falling down, moving to the left or right, just be aware of it. When you feel like you are done, open your eyes and you will see that all the stress of the day has disappeared. You are now totally relaxed. You could also lock onto one of those visions or tactile feelings and see how far it will take you. It's up to you. Just keep it all simple. like they say "KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID"!  

Cool. What I learn from this as a beginner (and I might be wrong) is that you can go over the Void to your 'destination' (= the retrievees location) after all. This is what I did with the drowned children. I was just approaching it from 'down there' (physical) insteaf of 'up there' (F27, higher astral).

So I need not necessarily go over F27/Retrieval-Center/Park/Island first? Maybe it is helpful and useful to have the locational 'ident' where you bring them back to?

Otherwise I would try (as a starter and since my time is limited because I cannot 'hold it' so long like more skilled projecors) to keep going to my destination first, meet the retrievee and then try to gain their trust and take their hand flying to F27 to the Centre - instead of sending them into the light or handing them over to a guide.

So that could work? 

Volgerle, I live by the adage, "if it's not broken, don't fix it". This is another of the many times I see that that comes into play here.

Do what works for you. You will be taught more when it is necessary to be. You likely are having little lessons given to you now as it is. Just go with the flow. Like I said "your intent has been heard and recognized.

Don't "overthink" this! 

A man is there immediately facing me. He asks how can I help you? I say that I am here to do a retrieval. He smiles and says, "You should have a Guide with you." I say, "I don't have one and apparently I don't require one." There is a definite pause. I ask, "Can I still go?" And he says yes.

I like that you had enough conscious awareness right off the bat to be able to know what your mission was and also know that you didn't necessarily need a Guide to fulfill it! 

I will keep my answer short bc of this. During retrievals, TMI reminds us to get personal information that can be later verified. In many cases apparently, this is done. Apparently a lot of people have been verified. I don't know...it hasn't yet occurred to me to ask of any of my 'retrievies'.

My instinctive and over-riding response seems to always be to deal with the issue at hand, and not be on a fact-finding mission, gathering names and dates of birth.

I feel exactly the same. It's about "them" (the souls I aid), not me. For me, I feel that attempting to get verification would be trying to prove to someone else that this is real. In my opinion, I don't have to prove anything to anyone. I experience what I experience whether people believe it or not. I have never even given attempting to get a verification, while there, any thought at all. That's not what it's all about.

As far as navigating around these various places/states of consciousness, my own descriptions are limited and imperfect, but comparing them to Lumaza and Volgerle and many others I can agree and testify to them, at least to my satisfaction. As Robert Monroe famously said, "Don't take my word for it; go experience it for yourself."

It's not so much about "navigating" these areas that is important, it's more about "knowing" what to do while there that is. The longer you are there, the more of the "scenario" at hand you are taking in. But sometimes that also means that you lose a lot of the memory recall. You just awaken or come out of your Phase session and realize that you just did something positive and profound that made a difference.  

I love this thread and am all for the Retrieval Club. I have one question for the retrievers, do you or have you ever seen another retriever in action?

My goal when I created my Doorway technique was to have a number of people also learn how to target "direct" areas, as in "chosen" Doorway/portals. I understood that other people may and likely would perceive the doors/portals differently. But I found that once we could learn how to do the targeting itself, then we could target specific Focus levels as well, including undergoing Retrievals. But it seemed no one was interested in that.   

I have never personally viewed another active Retrieval in process. Like Philidan here, I have also had these "group Retrievals", where it seems like I am there to save some community, village, town, etc., from some sort of threat. I call those experiences "Hero Dreams" though. Those ones all occur during LD experiences.

EV & Lumaza,
Wow, amazed at reading all of your detailed professional experience(s). I see that as a relative newbie to the art of retrieval I only have started my (learning) process and am motivated to resume it soon after I put it on hold last February.

As with anything else in this practice and in any teachings in life, there is a "learning curve" here as well. Most of it I find is through "repetition" and learning how to compose yourself while in the NP itself. In other words, "learning the lay of the land"!  

Friends, please never stop posting here. Let's start a 'Retrieval Club' in this thread and I hope I will be able to add more of my new(bie) experiences then soon (will post a link to blog every time).

I agree!  

Questions I have so far:

So you mainly do the retrievals all by yourself and get them to a place, if I get it right? You do not just let the guide do 'the rest' and guide them to this 'higher place'?

For me there are actually three main types of 'handover' or 'closure' to identify:

either 1) a guide handover or a 2) light event or type 3) going to a 'location' yourself, mostly F27?

I've been once there to this 'Park' or 'Island# but it was the/a library.

During my first ever "conscious" Retrieval, I felt the presence of a guide, if needed though.

Almost all of my Retrievals ended with me escorting the Retrievee to the Cathedral/Hospital. I did right in this very thread though a few circumstances that didn't arrive at the Cathedral. One being the experience where the Retrieve walked down a flight of stairs and climbed into a dresser drawer of some kind. The other escorting a Retrievee to more of a Hotel/Palace type of destination. That could still have been on the "Island" though. The dresser drawer wasn't though. At least I didn't sense it as such.

So the lady who wanted to see God did not have to be shown a guide or the 'light' anymore since she was already partly retrieved to F27/Island/Park (if I get it right) and to the Healing/Retrieval centre there - and she just needed counselling to be moved on further?

She was in the "extreme" cases area and that I was shown seems to be inside of the Cathedral. It was only in my last few experiences that I was ever permitted to enter that place.
She seemed to be too stubborn to move on. She wanted to see what she wanted to see, but as I saw it, no one there was willing to do it. Which I found strange because the "Aides" that I had seen there were not necessarily Human themselves.  

Btw, next to the Library (akashic?) I once made it to a 'Temple Of Healing' (described by Dolores Cannon in her book this way) and it looked like a cathedral indeed with a nice garden in front of it and people were queuing to get inside then on a sunny day. But I was not inside then. I was there with one of my main guides back then and I unfortunatley had to leave to get back to my body then because time was up. So maybe that was another visit to F27 or the "Island" or "Park".

Hope I'll get there soon. I do not feel though I will be able to go to F27 first and start a retrieval directly by going down. I think I cannot do it so far. I still would have have to 'work myself up' from the 'astral hell' together with the retrievee then to bring them to F27 myself.

I'm really excited to try this next time.

There are quite a few similarities in all our stories here. Still, we are likely all perceiving it in our own way.

We get there how ever we can. The main thing is that we "get there"! 

Lumaza,
There are several topics related to Retrievals to discuss here; I will touch on a few.

1- I wonder that you didn't need to show up as "GOD" for this woman to believe in your relief assistance, but maybe you could have chosen a lesser form- an Angel, a Saint, a brilliant, shining cloud-form, etc. I had that dilemma as one of my retrievals at TMI and found an interesting way to deal with it, but I will certainly allow that this was a higher level test of just how "authentic" you would choose to be within a retrieval context; it is all quite 'level determinant', and in your case it was likely a next-level test of sorts.

During the "life review" that I did on her to understand her further, I saw that the image of God that she would only accept was a elder white man with a large beard. Because of that, I knew that that was who she was "expecting". I never thought of appearing as just a form of energy though, because I had already seen her "chosen" image. It was very stereotyped. Actually so was her life as well.

Within my TMI retrievals, I found that I mostly operated from a very instinctual level; at least initially. All of my prior PR anxieties and worries about how I might react within a retrieval context were simply left behind- I operated within a purely instinctive and intelligent level I was previously unaware of...in retrospect I was quite happy with all my decisions and my thinking at the time. It all just seemed to fall in place very naturally.

With later retrievals I was more involved within a cognitive level- I had more decisions to make and they did not happen automatically. I will post an example that relates to this conversation and the 'higher spirit' context within a day or two.

It's almost as somehow someway we just "know" what to do!   Last night I had a lucid experience where I found myself "enrolling" in some form of education. I felt current self, even though I did find out that I was a youth in this scenario. That showed me symbolism that I was just about to begin some new form of education.

2- The 'cathedral' that you describe is pretty clearly what TMI describes as the Healing and Rejuvenation Center and it seems to exist within the same NP area that many of us have visited. TMI describes it as Focus 27 and through the Hemi-Sync process they can assist you in getting there. In my understanding/experience this is an energy construct, a NP energy framework of interpreting the energy that is at work there. This language is just simply incapable of describing it properly; this is the best that I can offer. Within Focus 27 there are many such constructs, serving different purposes: Education, Planning, History, and Re-Entry. I did not get as complete a tour as I wished for, but I did get a good taste of it. As an example, I was traveling through the Healing and Rejuvenation Center once and was asked if I wished to revisit a healing modality that I had rejected a few years earlier within a dream. Feeling absolutely clueless, I said okay. I was put into a 24 inch by 24 inch rectangle column of glass? and a slicing/dicing grid of blades descended upon me. It chopped me into maybe 32 bits of flesh-very realistic but not (maybe just a little) painful...then it chopped me again into 64 bits...then once again into 128 (I guess)... and my awareness lay there on the floor for a few seconds, scattered into 128 bits of awareness (that was an interesting sensation!) and then I slowly 're-configured'...IDK...just sayin'. I mentioned this experience at the next lunch to one of the Trainers and she responded very naturally saying, "Oh yes, that's just one form of balancing your energies." And with that, I realized that a couple years earlier, I had ended a dream, thinking it was de-volving into a nightmare...but actually it had been a healing opportunity.

I never replied to the part of your post where you explained the "scattering of your awareness. As you know from my past posts, I have experienced being eaten by little Pac Man characters, seeing my body as a chalk outline, like in a murder scene and some various other parts of dismemberments. I found that these were all taught to me to show me how important it was to disengage from a physical mindset. Through this I wrote in my Doorway thread, techniques to "disassociate" yourself from your physical focus by using a few simple methods.

TMI has no express admonishments about describing what they do, so I will offer this: Focus 27- It does appear like an island. And you create your 'Happy Place' somewhere within it...and that I have done. My place is a multi-terraced beach resort; I soon realized there is really no need for interior bedrooms or kitchen, dining or other areas...it might as well just be terraces enjoying a view of the sea. So this is where you are initially directed for a Retrieval. Go to your place, then go to the Park and ask for a Guide and drop down into F23 for a Retrieval.

Next time I am there, I'll have to look you up, lol!  

To share within this requires offering yourself to the greater good of the Universe.

It requires a degree of service, wherever you may find yourself.

With me it all began when I chose to be "invisible helper", as stated in the Annie Bessant video. I still go back and listen to that video once in awhile. There is so much great info to be found in it. You really can't receive all that info in just one sitting.

 Nameless and Lightbeam, Thank You for the vote of confidence. I took it as a test as well. I strive to stifle my ego during a Retrieval. It is all about them, not me. That is why I guess I had a hard time assuming the form of God. I also don't really see God, with the big G as being a Human form as is. I see it more of a "energy based nature".

Volgerle, my first Retrieval occurred while in a Phase session. At the time, I was using Binaural Beats and just went with the flow. An image of a soldier then appeared in front of me and suddenly the whole scene just opened up in front of me. I then acted on instinct.

The next events then occurred after setting the stage. I put out the intent and began my Doorway process. This led to a certain Doorway(portal) that I had chosen, visualized and when I opened that door, a full a Retrieval revealed itself.
I then began targeting the actual place, this enormous white Cathedral building that I kept experiencing at the finale of my Retrieval experiences. When a Retrieval was completed, we, (the Retrievee and myself) would be whisked off to the Island destination, finally ending up at the steps of this white Cathedral (Hospital like) building.

I found that this Island, seemed to resemble my "Happy Place" that I used to target when I began this practice. That being my Tropical Island Paradise. At times I could swear this Retrieval area was the on other side of the Island, that I hadn't explored yet. I had and still do have may unique adventures when targeting this place. It has become the ultimate "launching pad" for me.

Then, it began occurring in my Dreams. In these, I would just become aware I was experiencing a Retrieval and react (act) accordingly with full lucidity. That led to my experience of finally being permitted to "enter" this white Cathedral building. During that experience I made a choice to continue Retrievals when I myself transitioned away from my Human form.

I saw this all like some sort of "transition" or in todays' terms, "leveling up". My continued intent to become a "invisible helper" was answered. After awhile it all became "automatic". I would always become consciously aware in my Dream, when I needed or was required to.

Volgerle, your intent to become a "invisible helper" has been heard and received as well. Like everything else in this practice, there seems to be a "learning curve" though.

T-man, yes I saw it as a test as well. But as usual, it was after the fact that I came to that conclusion. I saw that I was being tested to find my "limit", to see how far I would go. I have done some strange and "extreme" things in the past to aide Retrievees in finding their way. Like I said, we, the Retrievists, I guess you call them, can use anything at our disposal to "help" them decide to move on. But we can't force them to or make the decision for them.

Are we not all Gods, are we not all Creators? I found for some reason that taking on that form was just not right and that's beyond the question of ego. I myself still have questions today about a the "Creator", that I can't answer. I guess that confusion also played a part in not being able and refusing to take on that form.

 I am with Volgerle and EV on this one.

I just finished doing my show in Norman and driving quite a bit around the central part of the Country. I had thousands of people around me and that gave me a chance to do some "current" assessments of the state of Humanity at the moment. It seems there are two types of people now. Those that care about the welfare of others, Earth and everything in it and those that don't give a sht about anyone or anything other than their selves.

This is causing a real rift now because both are getting stronger in the way they think. It's like a war is occurring.

Technology has it's pros and cons. Just go driving see evidence everywhere of distracted drivers. I saw it so much while driving that it made me actually feel sorry for those people. People texting while driving, talking on the phone and not being able to or not caring to use their signals at all, even people almost wiping out not only themselves but also others on the road as their vehicle sway from side to side, while being distracted for some reason.

Talking to many people, I see that many of them don't remember their dreams anymore and even seem to have problems with short term memory. Then you have the people that I see that make me have faith in Humanity again. They are the ones that know how to laugh and enjoy not only themselves, but other's too in their lives and around them. They are the ones that are totally aware. I think "aware" is the problem. The one's that aren't aware are walking through their lives like robotic zombies. The one's that are "aware", know to stop and smell the roses.

To those that understand what I am about to ask next "What happens when your "other" side begins to become dominant from your Human side? I ask because I am currently in some situations where my "non Human" side is taking charge of things. I see things in a completely different way when that occurs. I feel like I am some kind of "Overseer", that just watches and observes, while knowing that I cannot change things even knowing they are about to occur, no matter how dire the situation is. I still have empathy, it's just that the "knowing" is so strong now, even though I am directed that I am not allow to change outcomes. I know to many here that the last part of my post here will be confusing, but I "know" there a some here that know exactly what I am saying here.

Nameless, I agree with what you say. It is a beautiful and amazing planet, this Earth is and everything, the plants, animals, landscapes, etc. seem to be completely organic the Earth's infrastructure, except for Humans.  

"If you pretend that you were an extra terrestrial, living as a human, observing life on Earth, how would you summarize your observations?"
Lightbeam, you don't have to pretend either!  

 EV, we have already spoken, via the phone, about your Retrieval here. So, I don't think it's necessary to comment again on it here.

I had a really strange and challenging Retrieval experience last night. I all started at the "Retrieval Center", that I have spoke of in the past here. I was in what I call a "Simulation Room". This is a room the that the Retrievee is currently in. They can simulate it to anything they wish, as can I can, to help them to move on.

The subject here was a lady that appeared to be in her early forties. I immediately searched out the problem why she couldn't move on. To do that I first do a brief "life review" of the subject, so I may learn a bit about them and their past situations during their life here on Earth.

This woman's life was literally pure hell. She had been mentally, physically and sexually abused throughout her youth. She began pregnant at the age of 20 and because of her severe drug addiction, she had a "Cocaine baby", that died soon after it was born. She lied, cheated, committed adultery a few times. Like I said, she was a mess. So was her Family that she basically had liven most of her life with.

There is was other thing though. She and her family was very religious. They went to church twice, yes, that is twice a week, when they could. I found that very strange, given the way that her and her entire Family lived their lives. It was like they were hearing the words the Preacher was saying, but totally ignoring the meaning of them. This really perplexed me. Most of my Retrieval experience was based on her back story. It went quite a while too.

So, now that I knew a lot more about her, I turned to what was the problem in her moving on. She caught me off guard when she looked at me and said "I will move on when God appears and tells me to". I knew what I should have done, but couldn't do it. I couldn't take on the form of God. I wouldn't do it. So, I failed the retrieval. As I have seen by the fact that she is in the "Extreme" ward, no one else there would do it either.

Could you?

Thanks for listening.