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#1476
 I just completed my daily Phase/soak session. I began as usual, easing into the water and lying back. I then did about a 2 minute progressive relaxation rundown.

Instead of moving into the next step, which is the focus on direction/motion, using a 6 pt directional focus, I focused on just a simple white line. To see it, I had to look through the darkness. As in It being on the other side, if you get my meaning.

I began with just the visual of the line lying horizontally, left to right, about 2 feet in front of me. Once I could get a good visual on it, I mentally turned to a vertical position, going straight up and down. I began moving the line all over the place. I started at the lower left hand corner, then worked up to the top left, over to right bottom and top right. Basically covering all the directions. The thing is, I didn't have to always view the line there, I could sense it as well. I knew it was there. So now to the mental trigger. I then put the line front to back over top of my head, about a foot above it. ...then I was off. That mental trigger put me right out of body, almost instantly, like a cannon.

Robert Monroe used lines in his techniques as well. He kept it really simple though. You saw it in front of you vertically, then tipped it up over your head. He found the "mental trigger" there as well. There is something to the putting your focus on your 3rd eye area or above your head that just immediately creates a impulse. This impulse may begin faded and hard to see. It might just come from a totally tactile way as well. It's almost like a switch has been turned on.

I guess in a way, you could see it a the transition from Focus 10 to Focus 12 that Robert and Frank spoke often about. Regardless, it works.

Here is that transition being described by Frank, when a member asks him if there is any difference between a Focus 10 ad Focus 12.


"« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2002, 07:49:57 »
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quote:
Originally posted by napoleon:
Is there any difference between Focus 10 and Focus 12 ?

Yes, a distinct difference.

Focus 10 is where you have retreated from the physical about 85 to 90%. You still have an awareness that somewhere "back there" is a physical body. You are aware that you have one, but aren't really interested in it, and receiving next to no input from its physical senses. Your mind is awake and alert, but your focal point of consciousness is contained in what feels like a black 2-dimensional compartment somewhere about the centre of your head.

The primary difference between Focus 10 and Focus 12 is the 2D blackness becomes 3 dimensional. In other words, you get a sensation of an opening up of space, all around you. It's like if you suddenly found yourself in an unfamiliar room, where you were standing in the middle, and there was no light whatsoever. You wouldn't have any spatial awareness at all. All you'd see would be a 2-dimensional blackness before your eyes.

Now, say, someone very slowly began to turn on a light. There would come a point where you'd begin to see abstract shadows. Then, as the light got steadily brighter, the shadows would become more distinct and you'd begin to recognise basic shapes. This is what Focus 12 is like.

People perceive the state slightly differently, but the primary difference is the fact that the 2 dimensional blackness becomes 3 dimensional. Which gives you a distinct feeling of spatial awareness. You can't really see much at this stage, just indistinct shadows, or maybe whirls of foggy sort-of darkness. But, as I say, you cannot miss the *distinct* feeling of spatial awareness that comes about.

From Focus 12, it's like the light progressively gets brighter. Taking the room analogy a step further, as the light got slowly brighter, there would come a point where you'd recognise some object, previously perceived as an indistict shadow, as a chair (say). But you wouldn't know the colour of the fabric or the pattern (if any). As the light got brighter still, you'd start making out that there might be a pattern on the fabric, but you still wouldn't be able to see the colour. As the brightness increased, there would come a point where everything would come into view. This is Focus 21

Yours,
Frank"

Lastly, I wanted to add this reply given by a member here named Jeff Mash, years ago. The thread was based on a "Triangle Technique". I found very inspirational and true.

"A lot of beginners get discouraged because they try to project, and then when "nothing" happens, they feel like they're just wasting their time.  

However, GreatOutdoors, you are realizing a very important point.  Every time you practice projecting, and every exercise you do is only bringing you CLOSER to success.  It may not SEEM like it, but you must believe it.

For example, you may lay down and after practicing a few OBE relaxation exercises, you begin to see some cool hypnogogic imagery.  However, if that is all you see, then smile and know that you're getting better and better in developing your technique.  I think too many people would discount the hypnogogic stuff and feel a sense of failure for not feeling vibrations, or separating from their body.

So yes, the dog barking you heard was a good thing.  You may not have had a full blown OBE, but you are making contact with that part of your subconscious which is navigating you to the threshold of having a fully conscious OBE!  Keep it up."

In other words, "don't give up". Every attempt you make gets you that much closer.


#1477
Quote from: LightBeam on July 21, 2018, 04:08:27
For example, I never would have requested consciously to experience a big challenge so I can learn. No one wants to bring upon hardship and suffering.
Yet, it's in/through the hardship and suffering that the real lessons in life are found, at least the meaningful ones, that is.

Consciously then and consciously now is a much different thing.
#1478
 I have been shown that "all the World's a stage and we are all the performers". There are many ways to create a "script", per se, that will end up with the exact same outcome or "finale". Think about that and this will all make sense to you!  :-)

In most scripts we find a "good guy/hero" figure and a bad guy/"villain". Someone has to play the villain. Now a game of cause and effect, action reaction is set in play. The villain can come up with many different schemes to fulfill his dastardly goals. The Hero/es can come up with ways to counter those as well, showing the real meaning of cause and effect. Everyone around the Hero and villain is equally effected as well. Case in point, 9/11. Many people lost their lives. There was many Heroes that came out of it, but there was villains as well. This "Act" created a lot of change, good and bad. But nonetheless, cause and effect was witnessed on a massive scale. The bigger the event, cause/action, the greater effect/reaction.

If any of this is true, that would mean that, yes indeed, a plot was created for us or by us before we even stepped onto this "stage" here.
#1479
 Yes, those are good words to live by.  :-)

I will say though that people on this Forum may understand that. But if you or anyone else thinks the populace does, unfortunately you are sadly mistaken.

People have allowed themselves to be completely consumed by their techno devices.  That's what rules their World now. If you don't believe that, go out in public and look around.  Everything in "moderation" they say. There is no such thing anymore.
#1480
 Like EV, I travel often on the road as well. Because of that, I am a very light sleeper when away from the home. You normally get a different sense or level of awareness and alertness when away from the "nest".

Lately I have been having some problems with my shoulder. The pain has made it so I have to sleep in positions I am not used to. Because of this, I have had SP and very vivid, long lasting LDs every night for the last week now. I awaken many times in pain because I rolled back over onto my shoulder, which is the normal way I sleep. I am normally a "right side" sleeper. I don't like this new position. I'm not used to sleeping on my back or left side. Once in awhile I do flip onto my stomach, but I normally can't take that for long either. I guess you could look at it as a "blessing in disguise". It just sucks that many of these so called "blessings" hurt so much!  :roll:
#1481
 Congratulations Whitelight01!  :-)

To lengthen those visits and experiences you need to fully understand how to stay passive and just observe at first - "1.accepting or allowing what happens or what others do, without active response or resistance."

Good thinking using your "air conditioner" for a focus mechanism!  8-) I find there is nothing more relaxing than the sounds of waves crashing/breaking on a sea shore. Many Binaural Beats MP3s use that as "background" music.

It sounds like you found something that works, now it's time to stay the course!  :-)
#1482
To me, that sounds like "closure". Take it as a visitation or communication. It doesn't matter as long as the "message" was received.
#1483
First off, Thank You for sharing this. I see we have much in common.
Quote from: baro-san on July 08, 2018, 10:36:36
I read many books on these subjects, and others, and in time I reoriented my focus toward things that interested me more. Somehow I feel that most books, and many posts I read came almost at the right time when I needed them to steer me to follow a growth path.
I found that too. It was like being aided through the steps of progression/evolution, by some kind of unseen force.

QuoteHaving an engineering formation, I am always looking to find patterns, connections, explanations, and at some point, after I discovered past life and life between lives regression, then rediscovered channeling (especially Seth, then Abraham in a lesser degree), I reached the conclusion that all these and others (law of attraction, affirmation, remote viewing, meditation, etc.) are in fact using knowingly, but mostly unknowingly, hypnotic induction. This seems to be the reason for which many techniques don't work reliably: people don't understand why and how they should work, then they mimic them inefficiently; sometimes, by chance, they work, but most of the time they don't.
I don't have a engineering degree or anything like that. My life path wasn't focused in that direction. I left home at the age of 14 and was basically self taught, through observation and life on the road, how to navigate and survive this life of mine.

I read into Channels, but basically saw them saying the same, just using different words. I found that once you understood the general message they were delivering, that it was time to see so for myself. Today, I have had the pleasure of Channeling some deceased soul myself for a good 5 months now. I don't share it with others verbally. Instead, I use my new found Art to share it.

It's interesting how you talk about the progression and how it always seems to lead back to "hypnosis" in some shape or form. My first OBE experience occurred after watching a video on "Candle Staring". After that though, I went in search of "programs" that could help. I looked into the Monroe Institute, but that seemed a bit too pricey for me. So instead I bought a program created by Steve G. Jones, who is a Hypnotist. Now for a quick word on that. I know how people think he is a scam and a rip-off. I didn't buy the program for the Messenger. I purchased it for the Message. I didn't know his reputation at the time. His program had some great things in it. His Binaural Beat was the best and still is the best I have ever used. He most likely didn't make it himself. I have heard variations of it before. But his is perfect. His technique also was based solely on "self Hypnosis". That and my own experimentation taught me the value of using "mental triggers" while attempting AP.

Quotepeople don't understand why and how they should work, then they mimic them inefficiently; sometimes, by chance, they work, but most of the time they don't.
I wanted to reply on this quote separately here. I have found this statement to be 100% true. It's not like, "you can lead a Horse to water, but can't make him drink", because they are trying. Many of them will get to the 3D dark zone, but just sit there. They will then call it a failure. I too had this in the past. I would get there and think, "Hmm, is this all".  I too used to ignore the 3D darkness. I would always try to overide it and move into something more adventurous. Then I realized that this was it. The 3D darkness is exactly where you want to be. This is the place that thought = action instantly. This is the void, the place of Magick, the Aybyss, the place of no mind, the real "Training Zone". The trick is in learning how to understand and utilize this area to achieve your goals.

The one thing I have also found is that for some reason many in the World here today lack "common sense" and the ability to think for themselves. My whole Doorway Technique is built on simple common sense based things that anyone can do. In the beginning I used a focus on colors and just simple Geometric shapes. I moved to Doorways because they are easily envisioned, but there was also a trigger in them. That trigger came in the mental association of what they stood for.
For some reason, people today need to read the answers they are looking for and depend on the web for that. Self exploration and experimentation seems to be lacking. I myself learned quite a bit about different techniques and the nuts and bolts of this practice. But nothing taught me more than experiencing and exploring it for myself.


#1484
Thank You for your kind words!  :-) It's become a "labor of Love"!  :-)
#1485
Quote from: baro-san on July 08, 2018, 04:03:13
Unfortunately, while dreaming my awareness isn't high enough, and the answers I'd get are so distorted that I can't sift out the true message, not even if there is a message.

It didn't work for me.
Baro-san, do you actively practice AP? If you do, what is your personal technique. I know you have mentioned often how all someone needs to do is learn self-hypnosis. Is that your method as well?
#1486
Quote from: blis on July 07, 2018, 13:20:19
What's a crystal amplifier? We talking electronics or crystal energy? (I'm into both)
It's something I create myself.

I take a high grade Quartz Crystal. I then use Copper wire and make a Wire Wrap Tree Sculpture that I mount to the Crystal. While creating the tree, I am focused on various things, giving my piece "Intent". This takes many hours to do. Magick, just like Prayer, is focused will and intent. I see the new designs during my daily NP explorations.

The leaves I make are made in spirals and coils. The whole thing is based on energy and my main purpose or intent is to amplify the owner's "positive" thoughts, wishes and desires. Some of the pieces are more focused on other intents, like awareness, healing, clarity, etc.

I then sell them at various small Renaissance Faires that we vend at throughout the USA. My better half, MJ, creates beautiful Dragon sculptures that we sell there as well. You can see some of those pictures on my Photobucket page. I have been commissioned to make many personal pieces as well. Almost all my Crystal Amplifiers are already sold away and have a good home now. My Photobucket page is not a sales site. There are no prices on anything there. It's just for viewing.
http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/Lionheart78/story

The idea was shown to me initially during a Phase/soak session I had where I ended up in some kind of unique Art Gallery, that had Wire Tree Sculptures in it. When I had completed that session, I went to the local Hardware store and purchased some cheap Aluminum wire to try to recreate what I saw. It came natural to me and I am not a Artist. I was always a "Visionary", but I could never manifest my visions. MJ, did that for me.
#1487
 This morning I had a mini spontaneous OBE. I say this morning because I work from around 10 PM to 5 Am on my Crystal Amplifiers. I love the night.

I laid down. My shoulder was bothering me, so not only did I have a hard time clicking out to sleep, but it also woke me up, to shift my body position many times. Then it happened. I became aware of "Astral winds" and a mild vibration. I knew what was coming, so I just passively observed the signposts. I then felt my legs being lifted and the "exit" occurring, but then my beloved MJ woke up for real and began exiting the bed for the day. At that point I was really challenged with holding my focus on the current OBE exit, while still being dually aware of the extreme bed movement in the physical. I failed the challenge though, hence why called it a "mini OBE".
#1488
Quote from: blis on July 06, 2018, 14:38:18
Thanks for the welcome.
:-)

QuoteYou got me thinking. I used to have lots more spontaneous projections than successfull conscious exits. I wonder if the act of trying to rtz project kind of loosens up my astral/etheric/whatever body and makes it more likely for me to project while sleeping.
I guess it's possible. But I think it has more to do with "intent" and you being "ready" now to see and learn anew.

QuoteI think I might just try and target spontaneous projections for a while. 5 to 10 minutes a day of trying to project to the end of my street and see what effect it has in the night.
That is a good daily exercise and should lead to more experiences.

That reminds me of a fun technique/daily exercise that Robert Peterson called "Pretend Day". This is from his website. I had posted it in the past, in this thread here:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/how_exactly_do_you_perform_the_phantom_wiggle_method-t44583.0.html

Robert's website is http://www.robertpeterson.org/index.html. It is a great resource and loaded with great info on this topic. He does reviews of many of the books written on the subject as well. He has written his own books that can be found there too.

 "EXERCISE 4
Pretend Day

If you've read any other books on Astral Projection, you may have wondered: Why have almost all OBE techniques been an exercise of the imagination? Why are there so many visualizations? Why is pretending so important to leaving the body?

Well, first let me make myself perfectly clear: OBEs are a lot more than just pretend; they are real. Absolutely real. If you've had one, there will be no doubt in your mind. During the OBE, you are as wide-awake, alert and conscious as you are while reading this. Sometimes more so. All this pretending is just a stepping-stone to get you out of your body.

Before talking about pretending, I'd like to expose another myth. Some occult books say that children can leave their bodies easily but it's harder for most adults. They therefore conclude that as you get older, you become more cemented in your physical body. They say the older you get, the harder it is to have OBEs, because we become more focused in our body. Well, that just isn't true. People who say that are using an excuse to be lazy and not practice.

Why, then, don't adults have more OBEs? One reason is that adults don't use their imagination as much or as vividly as children. That doesn't mean we can't use our imaginations well, it just means that most people don't.

There's something magical about the imagination. Children know that intuitively. It's a matter of focus. Children use their imagination to unfocus from their daily lives. They know how to daydream and pretend. That's why children are so psychic! And we can become that psychic--that aware--if we start exercising our playful imaginations too.

This exercise isn't just for now, it's an all-day exercise. I want you to make today "Pretend Day." All day today, at every available opportunity, I want you to exercise your playful imagination. These little pretend skits don't have to be long. It's better to be short and frequent, than long and drawn out. I'll give you some examples. Go through your day doing these sorts of things:

The next time you sit down, just pretend for a few short seconds that you fall through your chair (in your astral body) and find yourself on the ground or through the floor. The next time you open a door, playfully pretend that your hand passes through the door knob instead of grabbing it. The next time you walk up a flight of stairs, playfully pretend you glide up it smoothly without walking. Pretend that your astral body glides up the stairs and patiently waits for your physical body to arrive at the top. The next time you look in a mirror, pretend you are looking at your physical body from afar. Pretend you are astral, in as many instances as you can.

Also, it's good to pretend non-OBE things today. For instance, the next time you take a drive in your car, pretend that it lifts off the ground the starts flying over the traffic. The next time you are stopped by a traffic light, pretend that you get out a gun and shoot it! "


#1489
Quote from: Volgerle on July 06, 2018, 18:24:21
Definitely one of the best (real!) scientists that ever were on the planet.

I see you already have it in your signature but it is a long version and you might have noticed it does not show the whole text. So here is again the shorter version.


Agreed!

I like the long version, but yes, the entire text does not fit in the space allotted, so I shortened it now. Thank You Volgerle!  :-)
#1490
Greetings, Welcome back and Congratulations! :-)  8-)

I read some of your previous posts here to get more familiar with you and your process.
A friend of mine, named Bedeekin, that was active here years ago, created a thread here, that's now a Sticky, with a excellent technique using the "pre nap method".
I used and found limited success with it. I say limited because it couldn't be repeated nightly. Your body gets used to it and adjusts.

The Pre Nap technique is based and centered around interrupting the regular/natural REM cycle and it does the job well. I could normally get 4 or 5 actual OBEs a month by using it.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/fantastic_obe_technique_bedeekins_method-t31819.0.html

I wish you luck and here's to many more successes!  :-)
#1491
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on July 05, 2018, 10:26:37
Then there is that "stratospheric" level of learning that Lumaza mentions, somewhere adrift in the hypnogogia , where the music plays and the ideas abound...where Tesla, Edison, Einstein and others explored...yeah...quite honestly, that area is available to all of us every night, if we simply ask to explore it.
I just completed my Phase/soak session for today and wow, was it informative.

I closed my eyes. Relaxed for a few minutes and joyed the feel of the water. Then I started doing a simple dissociative exercise that I use in my Doorway technique. This only takes a few minutes to do, but the "entrainment" it gives you is very helpful. Once again when I raised my focus on my physical eyes to my 3rd eye location, I felt a mental shift. Why my Doorway technique has helped so many people is because it's loaded with "triggers". Each one of those triggers takes you that much deeper and strenghtens your focus.

I followed that up with some "motion exercises", just mentally focusing on "trigger words", like Forward, Backwards, Left, Right, Up and Down. Forward quickly triggered a visual of a horse running in front of me. I call these "Pace car" scenarios. You can follow the "target" or Pace car as far for as long as you can hold your focus there. Many times, that will lead to some kind of adventure. The focus on Backwards is the most bizarre for me. It's usually a real thrill ride. Left is normally a ship leaning/tilting to the left. The focus on right, brought the feeling and visuals of leaning to the right on a motorcycle going around as I was going around a corner. I have to mention feeling, because you will feel the sensation as well. Up, had me rising slowly. This was all sensation and no visual. Down, had me feeling like a feather floating back and forth as it falls. I did not purposely "choose" or mentally intend to see any of these visuals. They all came as a result of the mental "Trigger".  

Now, i was "feeling" the area that I really wanted to target. This area being the 3d dark zone. If Science has a whole could learn more about this area, they could finally see and understand or at least study, what Telsa, Einstein, the Ancient Masters and all the greats of the past could access. This I would liken to your "Stratospheric" analogy EV.

At first I began working on a new Crystal Amplifier design. This one is using a Selenite Tower that I purchased. I worked on it yesterday in my Phase session as well and last night I physically created and duplicated what I had did in the NP. Today, I was shown there was a part 2 to the project. So, I shall work on that tonight.

After awhile of working on designs, my focus changed to conversations we have at this Forum here. I became ultra aware that I was in the 3D zone. So aware, that I could actually feel it. This feeling though was the "sense of knowing". It's really hard to describe, but you know it when you feel it. This area is the area all the greats access. The thing is, it's not the just in accessing this area that makes it so unique. It's having the ability, that is learned, to "utilize" it in ways people usually don't. When I work on my designs there, I am not just seeing different designs and choosing. I see a vision, then I begin building it. When I build it for real at night time, it doesn't always come out exactly like it does in the NP. But, it's close enough to still being a awesome piece. I find many "happy accidents" along the way though.    

I have followed the teachings and words of Tesla quite a bit. If I could name a Hero of mine, he would definitely get the nod. You could also look at this another way, maybe Tesla, Einstein and the Greats were "remembering" something that they already knew from a past life or even "forgotten" past civilizations. Who knows. So many questions and never enough answers. Those answers normally would lead to more questions and so on and so on ................
#1492
Quote from: Nameless on July 05, 2018, 19:09:06
What I think is confusing is that while in the here and now we progress forward in a straight line in the NP or AR progression is more like a drunken trail.
It's kind of like the style/form of Martial Arts known as the "Drunken Monkey". He is staggering through all of his moves, yet still has the knowledge to overcome all his obstacles.
#1493
Quote from: Nameless on July 05, 2018, 18:41:28
Thank you for that clarification. :-)
Hahaha, so glad I'm not alone in this. Truly these communications are something I wish I could record even if all the recorder picked up were just my side of the conversation. By the time I snap back usually all I remember is the last part.[
That's why all of our initial "visits" are normally cut so short. I find many times that I have to end a session because of "information overload". I need to write what I learn down right away or I lose 1/2 of it, lol. But, I am told that the info is there when it's needed. They aren't necessarily "downloads". My downloads come through like pouring of info. Those normally instantly overload my system. There is no return communication. There is just a inflow of knowledge.
#1494
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on July 05, 2018, 10:26:37
Okay, now here are some weeds that we can dig into, this all having to do with the nature and quality and development of consciousness- within the NP realms...

I will be one of the first, or at least one who repeats, the need from time to time, to break down and define in more basic terms these consciousness states that we are experiencing.
I like to keep things "simple stupid". This is just another one of those things that when I think I know what's going on, it all changes and puts me back to square one again, lol!  :roll:

QuoteLumaza and Nameless mentioned the RTZ or Real Time Zone type of NP experience. This is a relatively new 1990's? term that has become linked to what I think of as the original, classic Etheric type of OBE where you literally feel a disconnect and float out of your physical, sleeping body, like a ghost. I don't personally think that it is an accurate term, but it does convey certain aspects that could make one think that they are out-of-body and operating somewhere within the current Physical Reality context. This may be exactly correct, given an Etheric energy body theory. There are certain seemingly "physical" reminders. In an Etheric/RTZ OBE, I feel like a scuba diver (to a certain degree); I feel a certain "atmospheric" pressure and weight, a particular almost "physical" difficulty in moving around; the quality of consciousness is noticeably different from anything else. For me, Etheric/RTZ OBEs are unmistakable. The resulting environment almost always requires great effort to move beyond; doorways and windows usually result in "click-outs".


LDs may take some time for awareness to develop or increase; often they are suppressed in order for us to learn; a cool teaching environment. Phasing exits are pretty straight-forward...100%. Clean...
I agree 100%. That is why I felt the need to clarify things once again. To group the 3 of them as being the same thing, just doesn't sound right. The destinations, although "similar", have a entirely different means of "transporting" us there.
I wished I had used the word "Etheric" in my previous post above. It would have simplified my explanation/description.

QuoteThese quality of consciousness changes may involve the progression from the Etheric to the Astral and on to the Mental energy bodies...I don't pretend to know but the progression seems to make sense. With practice and experience there is a definite qualitative progression, although the understanding remains elusive.

Then there is that "stratospheric" level of learning that Lumaza mentions, somewhere adrift in the hypnogogia , where the music plays and the ideas abound...where Tesla, Edison, Einstein and others explored...yeah...quite honestly, that area is available to all of us every night, if we simply ask to explore it.
I find the more you are open to this teaching, the more you are taught. It's what you do with this new found information that really matters to the "system". I have shown I am a Teacher or at least being prepped and primed to be a Teacher. So, I need to understand and experience things so I may share it with others.


QuoteThe suicide question, I won't even deal with now. I have been forced to deal with it throughout my life and faced it myself, long ago. Compared with the tragedy around the world, it is sadly just a local effect. This is Earth and we learn to deal with it.
I know that topic is one of those that people are really sensitive to. I sincerely apologize to EV and others if I struck a "vein" here. I have been "prodded" to make a post on it and so I did. There is no need to go any further on this topic. It's too sensitive.
#1495
Quote from: Nameless on July 05, 2018, 01:38:54
A 3 for 1, nice! 

Could you clarify something for me. The RTZ is that always earthbound? What I mean is outside the earth atmosphere, is that considered RTZ or something else?
RTZ or Real Time Zone to me, means just that. I see it as any "real time" reality that "is" or "mirrors" my current physical reality here in this realm. It could be a replica that follows the exact same "rulesets" that this one does. The RTZ to me would be considered that and akin to a "Earthbound" destination.

At the end of today's Phase/soak session, I saw I was passing by some neighborhood. The motion and ease of the visual seemed to kind of mirror the image of seeing out of a car window or some kind of moving vehicle. I have never seen this neighborhood in the physical and I didn't stop to take more of the visual in. I then found myself moving through tall grass, some kind of field. There were trees and brush ahead. I went right through them and soon knew my surroundings. As the brush thinned out, I saw a house. Next to the home was a Propane tank and I knew now that this home was ours. I was coming in from the back of our property. The projection then faded out.

I spent most of my Phase/soak session working on some new Crystal Amplifier designs. I then got lost in thought and found myself in some kind of question/answer scenario. It was one of those where you begin to just mentally contemplating things, then realize that some kind of communication has begun.

While in that state I see things that I would like to discuss here, but don't because most people wouldn't understand them, like conversations on Suicide for instance (that was currently discussed on this Forum in another thread), which I am well versed in. During my years on the road, I lived with a few families that had been devastated by a loved one's Suicide. With one Family, the Suicide was very fresh and they were going through the steps of mourning, guilt, anger, etc.. The other Family had a family member that had committed Suicide years before, but still they never found any closure. A few years back, our Family was hit by Suicide as well. There were no signs that we saw. The lady was a well established and loved Art teacher. She was married and had what everyone had thought a great and happy life. One day we got the call, but still no explanation was ever given for the event was given. As normal, it had devastating effects in the Family as well, especially to her Mother who is very religious. It immediately effected her belief system and she has never recovered from it. 2 years isn't a long time though. So the wounds are still fresh.

I am a "observer". I always witness these things from the "outside" and because of that I see things that others don't. I will say one thing and I hope people will understand this somehow. Suicide is for the living, not the one that passed. By no way am I advocating it. I am just stating the conclusions I came to, by not only witnessing it and it's effects, but also by being told and shown things about the nature of reality in general. 
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Quote from: Smertrios on July 04, 2018, 20:26:56
A few days ago I watched a video about astral projection and that night I think I came very very close to doing it. Thats when I used google to search for forums that are geared towards astral projection and found this website. I've been looking at some of the sticky topics and it didn't take long to find out that watching videos about astral projection before going to sleep is a good way to increase my chances of projecting =). There are other things that I have read here that describe experiences about lucid dreaming that match some of what I have experienced myself.

In anycase that is how I arrived here... hello to everyone here!

Hello and Welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)

Many people report their first experience after just listening to a speaker or video on Astral Projection. Although their experience is normally very short, it's still a "eye opener". That "sneak peek" will either create a passion to engage you further in this practice or totally scare the "bejesus" out of you, lol.  :-D
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Quote from: octave on July 04, 2018, 17:41:15
Lumaza, when you're exploring the darkness behind your eyes during your phase and soak, do you have the lights in the bathroom turned off or down? Just wondered if more ambient light makes it more difficult.

I ask because my eyes don't really close fully (people say I look dead when I sleep) so I just bought an eye mask to experiment with.
The lights in the bathroom are off. I want it as dark as possible.

A eye mask is a great idea. About 4 years back I purchased the "Mindfold". It did what I needed. Not the most comfortable for sleeping, but I got a few years out of it. 2 years ago I bought a new one named the "Escape Luxury Sleep Mask". I just bought another one of those a few weeks back. They are only $19.95. I basically wore out the last one. I really like the Escape Sleep Mask. It very comfortable for sleeping with as well.
https://www.dreamessentials.com/product-66/escape-luxury-sleep-mask-with-earplugs-and-carry-pouch
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Quote from: EscapeVelocity on July 04, 2018, 09:47:58
Lumaza,
You mentioned to me a short time ago, about what you described as a "trifecta" experience, where you experience the three classic types of an NP experience, which is what this appears to be: The classic etheric OBE ( the physical movement with a misty physical exit), a Phasing aspect (the distinct mental NP movement aspect and overall feel), and a LD aspect (maybe the enhanced surreal effect).  The kite served as a nice awareness boost.
I had to go back and read that one. I guess this one differed because of the way it occurred. In the one you spoke of, I had a LD in it as well, making it the perfect "Trifecta". In my most recent experience I was completely conscious the entire time. As I said, this led to weird angle views and all kinds of strangeness. Also, once "rising" comes into the equation, everything becomes more "surreal.

QuoteOne observation is- Why these seemingly clarifying experiences? What purpose do they serve?

I have had a few of these; a similar one was especially powerful and an important introduction to the NP. In my case, it occurred very early for me, perhaps for a different reason; it's becoming quite apparent to me that similar experiences occur for us at different times to serve different purposes. Perhaps they are repeated at different times in order to reinforce different themes.

They come when they are necessary. I feel that I needed another dose of Empathy to help me help those that truly wish to experience the "Otherworlds". I have been getting down on people lately again. Sometimes we need a dose of "reality" to shake us out of a "funk".
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Quote from: LightBeam on July 04, 2018, 09:12:57
It's always fun flying around your house, isn't it. I have done that frequently, flying out either from the terrace or from the roof, hovering above my childhood house and then flying around town. Although I don't love there anymore, I am taken very often during OBEs there. I guess my nostalgia draws me there. I love it though, very much.
Yes flying and soaring is very enjoyable. That's actually what helped me work my way through fear of heights. The only fear I have now of heights, is jumping, lol. Flying in a LD is fun too, until you get a physical mindset that tells you this shouldn't be happening and then it becomes a "crash landing", lol. Been there, done that. Not a good way to end a LD, lol.  :roll: :-o :-D


QuoteDuring phasing do you always have full "out" experience. I am trying to uderstand what exactly is the phasing experience.
I very rarely have RTZ OBE while Phasing. That's why it caught me off-guard.

Phasing to me is finding myself in a scene/scenario, many times jumpstarted by imagination, where I become a active participant and I am 100% conscious all the way through it, from start to finish. It is normally initiated by a "directional" focus while exploring the darkness before my eyes. I normally create the atmosphere that is needed to shift into the new reality I find myself in. The journeys can be long or short.  It depends on how good your ability is to hone in and completely shift your consciousness over to this new "Otherworld", as Kurt says. It reminds of the saying "lost in thought" That's why I added the step "lose yourself in thought" to my Doorway technique. 

Every OBE I have ever had began in the RTZ. Whether that be from SP or an actual OBE experience, like my candle staring that I did when I first began to practice AP.
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Quote from: baro-san on July 04, 2018, 09:00:21
I imagine how you would've felt if you had seen the kite without having a prior knowledge that it was there, then somehow you would've climbed the tree, and found the kite up there! Like in the story with the shoe on the ledge outside a hospital window seen by an NDE-er.
At the time, the kite was a afterthought. If anything, it was confirmation to me. The sight of it caught me off-guard!  :-o