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I laid down for bed and gave myself an hour or so to relax.

I had earplugs in, so outside noises were pretty well not applicable.
After some time I thought I heard what sounded like the front door opening and closing.
I got up and nothing!! Is it pretty standard to hear common sounds like that?

I laid back down, and after some time I could hear, ("Hear" not "Thought") as I was counting backwards from 100 and it sounded as if someone was repeating some phrase in a language i didn't seem to understand or I just could not comprehend what was being chanted.

I assume it was not coming from my own thoughts as i could not get the chanting to go away.
I tried thinking about all different stuff and it hung on. Is this something that I should have run with??   

Personally, I would of "honed" in completely on the voices and allowed that focus to totally consume me and take me deeper.
So yes, this is something you should have "ran" with. 

Experiment with it. But don't "assume" anything at the time. Just "passively observe" it and report it in your Journal afterwards. The 100-1 counting words great. I normally attempt to count to 300 or like the other night, I was just messing with many different uses of the numbers 123. As in counting 1 2 3, then backwards 3 2 1 and cycles of this repeatedly until I find myself "there", wherever there happened to be at the time. If I see a flash, I just mentally note it and I stay the course. When I hear sounds, it's the same thing. Just mentally note it and stay the course.

Well, it is incredibly awkward for me to post the information. But I may as well.

There is much I don't post here too. So I know how you feel. I will help others get "there" But what they see is of a personal nature.

For me I go into a trance which can be induced through shamanic drumming such as rattles or recorded drums, binaural beats, through guided hypnosis or Bob Monroe's recordings. I have the most success with the focus 21 recordings of Bob Monroe. I have no idea but within 30 seconds I am able to tune out most of my analytical thinking which is a nuisance.

I use Binaural Beats and Isochronic tones quite a bit too. I have used Bob's Gateway 1 program and quite enjoyed his "walk throughs". That's when I learned the importance of creative visualization.
You may enjoy the work of Paul Collier as well. Paul is a brilliant Composer. He creates Binaural Beat tracks too. I need musical accompaniment as background in my Bin Beats. I don't like the monotone ones.
After awhile you train yourself that just hearing the Bin Beat or chosen music begin, leads into an almost immediate shift in consciousness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE22Xq2gRXQ
One of my favorites for an emotional rollercoaster of adventures is this hour collection of Hans Zimmer's greatest hits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYa3DLEKS6E

For me, I can obtain the most useful information this way with a clarity of understanding. I don't really process or understand that much of what has happened until I snap out of it so to speak. Ironically, though I find myself asking pointed questions. Also, the information comes really fast. The funny thing is if it is not written down than I may forget the whole thing entirely and it fades just like a dream.

It can be very confusing to sort through messages or to make sense of them. I think I just stick with Tom Campbell's syn ops of it, "Is it useful?"

Sometimes the "messages" come in the form of "Downloads" as well. Check this thread out and you will see what I mean.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/the_download_aka_the_forbidden_dream-t44872.0.html

 Rainbowcity, does this information come to you totally conscious with eyes open akin to "thinking out loud" or does it come to you deeper in some meditation/Phase session?

I have been told and shown similar things. It really changed my mindset on what really "is" and what "isn't". Some of the answers given and things shown are a shock to the system, but I find they are necessary.

 I like the way you think, Rainbowcity!  

Oh, nothing I haven't mentioned on this board before. It's just when I wake up early morning, but still need a few hrs of sleep, when I position myself to go back to sleep, I imagine that my bed in a hammock and I imagine swaying side to side as I drift back to sleep. I don't have to think anything else, just feel the inner motion. That triggers strong vibes within a few minutes as your brain waves start to slow down. Now, I am not sure if one needs to have already adjusted mind set so to speak in order to have this quick trick work. I practice the regular techniques before bed at least 3 times per week.
I also do affirmations before bed with clear statements where do I want to go, or what do I want to explore. This is very helpful once you are there to remember.

Excellent!  I find that triggering that "inner motion" is a great way to speed up the OBE process as a whole. That's what I attempt to use during my "Phantom Wiggling" and Tetrahedral/directional point focus as well.

Great descriptions and the constant sharing of our own personal techniques really help those "prying eyes" that lurk here in the shadows of this Forum.

Since then, I have been practicing this technique, added a few other short cuts I discovered and it's been a great journey.

Pray tell Lightbeam, tell us more. Not to "hijack" EV's thread here, but I love experimenting anew!  

That is so cute!! I tried that with mine, same results, haha.

When my two youngest were in elementary school I had them sit back to back with one of them picking a colored bead and holding it. The other one had to guess what color was chosen. They were right about 4 of 5 times till they got the giggles.

It never hurts to try, lol! 

They definitely set out with the intention of play time, specifically to engage in sexual fantasies from the trip reports that were relayed to me.

So there are places that are unconstrained, even to your own detriment, hypothetically. Does this mean that the restrictions we sometimes experience that "fog out" the reality when we try to apply free will are only a mechanic of that particular experienced reality?

The "fog out" doesn't seem to just prevent certain intentions within the reality, but it also fogs any attempt to transition from that reality into an unconstrained one and thus bypassing the lesson in progress.

Are the "lab staff" deciding that one set of people will be put into non-exitable lessons while another set will default to unconstrained realities. Some people are allowed to regress while others are not.

Is it based on your own subconscious, deepest, core of heart intentions on what experience you truly want? Or perhaps an inconceivable predictor of consequences that rolls the dice and chooses for you.

My friend is a hedonist, non believer in the afterlife who takes life as a short term exercise in maximizing fun and pleasure. Their only interest in lucid dreaming is to fulfill sexual fantasies. For me it is not possible to indulge in this way because it would go against my end game goals - but for others the rules might be different. I think I understand.

Every question you asked above, you have answered yourself, lol!

Yes because the lesson at hand is valuable, you do "stay the course". Whether this is by your Higher selves design or some "other".

Once again the "Lab staff" might be your Higher self and because of that, it already knows your strengthens and weaknesses. It knows how far you have evolved and what "buttons" to push to not only motivate you, but also how to keep you in the moment.

EscapeVelocity yesterday, made a new thread in the Dreaming Forum here that spoke of the different levels and characteristics of Dreams. The same goes with any other mode of accessing the "non local states of consciousness". There seems to be different "planes" for different purposes. Robert Monroe really knew what he was talking about when he developed a blueprint of sorts using the "Focus levels" as his designated locales.

I explained the observed law of "no evolutionary regressions allowed" in non-physical experiences to my skeptical friend. It did trip the "general audience BS meter" as I predicted and they were quite dubious that we had any evidence of this mechanic. It is all experiential evidence at this point, but consistent experience is also a valid indicator.

They brought up a pretty interesting counter point that I thought was worth sharing here. If we are really banned from regressions in the non-physical, why is it that drug trip reporters on forums similar to these are not limited in the same way.

Dextromethorphan at high doses induces a special and very stable state of mind (I have tried it twice, although at lower doses, myself a few years back). The state is very much like that of the void, but also a dual reality perception that some of us will be familiar with. You can flip between physical and non-physical perception with very little effort and the experience has a strong association with music and fractals.

At the higher doses though, the experience becomes a full blown OBE and people report unlimited debauchery that could surely be considered evolutionary regression by some.

Do the rules only apply to certain people? Or perhaps does drug use brute force the system - it seems strange that the "rules" of the system could be so easily broken from a simple substance within the system.

Similarly with even more powerful psychedelics like DMT, which I have never tried, users report a profound sense of experiencing something "they were not meant to see" yet it happens none the less.

I don't have much interest in pursuing these unnatural states - yet it is intriguing, what is the truth behind these rules.

They must find themselves in a realm where "unlimited Debauchery" is permitted. But you never said whether or not these people were actually going there for a purpose, like example, to help others that were stuck or go there for the sole purpose of learning anew. It seems they just use it as a "play time". A place they go where "everything" goes. Astral Travel doesn't have to be serious. You can still go "out to play". You get out of it, what you put in it. If you go there to be taught anew, than you shall be. But you need to show your commitment to that as well.

The critical question was, did I really discover a useful addition to wake induced separation technique and perform my first fully conscious end to end separation, or was I already dreaming when I began - which has fooled me more than once before.

Did it work? Yes.

So, if something's not broken, don't fix it. In other words, "stay with the winning team"! 

Once again, you are doubting what Dreams really are. I thought you had gotten beyond that!

Have you found the two different ways of thinking yet anyone?
The standard thought process is when a problem is presented, you recall from memory the answer or how to work it out. In this you are in the immediate forefront of the physical world, well grounded if you like.
The second thought process is where you disconnect from the physical and you are fully aware but inside your body which feels like having a warm blanket around you.
The depth of thoughts here is very powerful and you can solve far greater problems and receive insights or answers from just being here. It's very similar to being close to the exit point when phasing.

The second thought process, as you call it Szaxx, is also a great place to release pain or any stress that you may have too. The "warm blanket" is very comforting! 

I've wandered lonely with a crowd,
my shouts unheard, although so loud.
The point of self awareness great,
some worlds no touch, others, create.
A tangible hierarchy, it does exist,
Booted out, infraction, if you persist.
We are each and all, as one,
The systems learnings, it has begun.

That's a great way to sum it all up my friend!  

 EXCELLENT thread here EV!  

Not only are kid's Dreams important and that it is important for parents to be "aware" and understanding of those, but their "imagination" in general is as well.

While growing up I had so many things that I thought were perfectly normal, but later learned wasn't, like seeing my dead dog on my floor beside my bed, being visited by my deceased neighbor that hated kids, all kinds of things.
Our dog, (a large Bouvier), had hit a car. Yes, you read that right. He ran into the side of a car. The next week my Parents told us that they had to bring him to the "Farm" (We all know what that means. I didn't at the time though). A few nights later I woke up and he was lying on my bedroom floor, just looking at me. It confused me at the time.
Then there was the ability to "heal" others that I had, but I didn't know my Father could do until I saw him do it and still we barely discussed it. I was 14 when I saw him do it and he said it was a "curse" and that I should never use it. (Funny, we were just talking about this all on another Forum that you frequent EV)  

I used to have the same repeating nightmare of cars chasing me up and down the stairs in my home. I think that I may have died in my past life in some form of a automobile accident and that this was some kind of a imprint that was left on me. On other occasions, I had many experiences where my ankles were being touched and legs lifted, just like I do today. I now know it was SP, but nobody explained that to me back then. It used to terrify me.

But I never told anyone about theses Dreams, visions or experiences. I thought they were all perfectly normal and that everyone else had things like that happen to them and that for some reason, we just didn't talk about them.

It's funny that you brought this up though because MJ's Grandson was over a couple of days ago and he was playing, using his imagination that he was a Transformer. He was having a great time. MJ and I joined in. Her son then came in the house and we talked about the little guy's vivid imagination and how important it was that the Parents allowed it to exist, unlike what happens in some other homes, where the imagination of a child is stifled by the Parents.
 
When MJ's Grandson stays overnight here, she will lie down with him for a afternoon nap (he is going on 4 years old). Sometimes when he wakes up, he will look at her and start telling her about his Dream. Now he is 4 years old, so much of he conversation is "babble, lol. But she nods and listens just the same.

He is rather an excitable child, so this year I attempted to teach him a bit of Meditation. I told him to close his eyes and just relax. Well, he is 4, so you know how long that worked for, lol. The "younguns' don't have much of a attention span, lol!  

  I projected for hours last night, traversed 5 or more scenarios and avoided the usual traps.

AWESOME! 

Now that's what I call "progress"! 

"...but getting others out of the physical mindset to transcend death is understated as a difficult mission"

I only have a minute but wanted to clarify this. It's not so much getting them out from here to there. It's getting them out of 'there' the NP to further transition. I'll be back later.

That's what "Retrievals" are for. Helping others that are stuck in their own NP nightmares.

The funny thing is that this kind of government and restriction is the mystical part of AP that the general audience just can't grasp. When you try to explain this part of why we cannot just perform a validation or have any fantasy experience we like, it would trip the BS meter. Perhaps I can now see why this area has not yielded wide spread interest. The golden ticket has some serious catches, not quite the chocolate factory that you see on AP documentaries such as "The Phase" is it.

General audience?

If all you wish out of this practice is to have a Fantasy outing or experience, then your intent will make this come true. But if your intent is to delve deeper into this, then you will have to undergo the "learning curve" that is part of that process as well. A Fantasy outing is much different then years of constant consciously aware explorations and adventures..

What's does it take to make a Pro Football player? You need to know the game. You have to be physically able for the task. You have to be mentally strong. You need skill and to know and abide by the rules and lastly you have know how to take directions and follow those directions. Anyone can toss the ball around and it doesn't take much to join a high school football team. That doesn't make you a Pro player though.

In this current physical realm of ours, thought = action only when it comes to immediate physical movement. In the other realms there is no need to travel, just a thought and you are there. Thought=action occurs there instantly with nearly everything. If you can't control those thoughts, think of all the damage you could do. Thus the need for a "structure".

Your self initiated block could be in place because you are still having such a hard time understanding this. You need to lose the constant analytical mindset for a while and just go exploring. Take the pressure off yourself and see what you see. There is plenty of time to question it later. Get some experience under your belt. Keep an open mind and you will see and learn anew.

Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory awaits! 

The lack of intellect may also indicate the actual awareness that will be available to us when we transition/die. If that is the case, then I have serious concerns; and therefore wonder at the possibly supreme importance of doing as much as we can while still in PR, in developing our individual NPR mindset/personality.

Maybe something to think about...

That whole reply was excellent EV. I wish we could award Gold Stars here! 

I quoted the section above because what you said about preparedness for the afterlife and is exactly what William Buhlman discusses as vitally important in his videos and seminars. He is even part of or is responsible for creating the "Lifeline" program over at the Monroe Institute to help people do just that. He mentions often how the Monks will prepare the Dalai Lama when he is ready to transition by chanting for days on end before he passes.

Lumaza were there any other readings (like for me I'm currently reading Robert Bruce's treatises on ap) like books etc... that helped you reach the ap / obe state?

Just asking.

Thanks.

To tell you the truth Luffy, the more I read, the harder this got to do. I drenched myself and absorbed every bit of info I could find on the this subject and that led to a number of failed attempts.
In the end what worked is when I went back to square on and found what had worked before. I knew that the "candle burning" technique worked. So I made my own variance on that. That led to doing daily etheric exercise and those exercises taught me how to maneuver in whatever area I found myself in.

The purpose of this topic is to discuss a potential misinterpretation of our capabilities in NPR.

Here is what I have come to believe should be possible: Enter my personal "safe zone" - look into the sky and perceive a phenomenal cosmos, like seeing the PMR stars with a telescope via the naked eye. Fly around and blow up mountains with energy blasts. Experience the plot of a favourite book from a first person perspective. Construct a temple on fractal principles that dwarfs any earthly construction to a laughable extent.

What I find is actually possible: Become aware in a pseudo-random scenario. Clarity of mind feels crystal clear. Knowledge of the current experience being NPR is at an all time high. Spend what seems like an hour wandering within the scenario. Wrack my brain trying to figure out my original intent (the above experience prototype). Suffer complete and utter amnesia when it comes to anything beyond the current scenario.

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What does it take to be able to exercise free will in the NPR?

I thought that the problem was lack of awareness - that doesn't seem to fit due to the impenetrable amnesia. I thought the problem might be a banning of bad intentions - I can make destructive choices within the scenario, but as soon as I try I get smoke screened and the scenario fades away until I stop that intent.

It seems reasonable to draw the conclusion that negative intent is banned. I can possibly understand why, but it is shaky ground. Positive intent is also banned. I don't understand why.

Furthermore, something about my being in NPR is wrong, it doesn't feel like me. I have read that in NPR we assume our higher consciousness personality, to me it feels the opposite. My quality of consciousness is severely reduced, as is my ability to make good decisions and seek growth.

If I had to put my finger on the problem - my intellect has been entirely removed. I thought this problem could be bypassed with conscious projection, but I am not convinced that works either.

I see value to the experiences I am having, but I cannot see how they are not a tragic waste of potential because the gains are so minuscule compared to even a fraction of my imagination.

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TLDR; Have I been misled to believe that the type of experience I imagine is achievable? Why does my time in NPR feel like a tremendous waste of potential?

So many things that can be said about almost every point you made here. But I will try to make sense of this in one explanation.
When I was new to this practice I was a "eager beaver" as well. I wanted to experience all I had heard about. I had very high expectations. What I found was much different though, at least in the beginning.
I would set down to practice. I would get confortable, using progressive relaxation and start counting or whatever method I was attempting. I would go through countless signposts and after about a hour to hour and half, I would see my room through my closed eyes, get excited and that was it. I blew it with my excitement.
The next time I would do all the same "prep" get to the point where I can see though my closed eyes, I would then attempt a full exit as of climbing out of the body, get out walk around and bam, I'm back in again. I was thinking "man this is hard" and that this isn't what I expected.
I then read all of Frank's posts and began the Art of "Noticing/Phasing". This actually brought me deeper, but again my excitement would knock me right back to square one again. This was getting very frustrating.
Then I was doing a Phase session and my Guide showed itself for the first time. It was in the form of my deceased brother in law and he taught me the importance of losing all expectations and just observing. I became a great Pupil of this discipline and so I passively observed everything. The more I allowed things to progress, the more they did. I experienced flying, going through the cosmos, other realms that mirrored this one and some that didn't. I was given countless tests, quests and challenges to come up with my answers. I was even shown some very technical and amazing things that I couldn't even fathom with my physical mindset. That's when I was shown the importance of releasing that physical mindset so I could see "other".

Next came the nightly onset of my LDs. In these I found myself normally in some kind of reality that mirrored this, but for some reason, when I became consciously aware in these, the XXXX was just about to hit the fan, cueing the new test, quest or challenge. My NP personality was quite different from my current one and seemed to always get itself into very trying situations. It was also extremely "lustful" at first. So I had to learn to reign that in, otherwise I wasn't going to see anything except for a lust filled scenario.
Many times from a spontaneous OBE I found myself almost immediately in a lustful situation. I just used what I was taught in my LDs to bypass that and seek a different area of exploration. My "higher self" knew what it took to trigger my consciousness and used it to it's advantage. Many times we see things like this as negatives. Our "higher self personality" can use anything it wishes to it's disposal. It can be anything it wishes to achieve the desired action, purpose or message. It's the same way that we can be anything or anyone we need to be to help someone during a "Retrieval".

What I am trying to tell and show you here is there is indeed a "progression" to this whole thing in general. Yes you can use your intent and experience incredible things like flying through the mountains or even Nebulas. Blowing up mountains is not allowed though, lol. Unless of course you begin with that as a total imaginary visual. There are some rules that need to be followed and you will soon know what is and isn't excepted. I try to respect any realm I find myself in the same way I respect this current one. It's the same with the people/Others I meet there as well. You have free will over "your" own actions as long as they don't interfere with the current ruleset in the areas you find yourself in.

Every night when I go to sleep I use the same affirmation, I ask to be "shown what I need to see and taught what I need to learn". I then trust and allow what's gong to happen to happen.

In closing. You haven't been misled, you just need to learn to walk before you can run! Open yourself to all and in time you will be shown it!  

BUMP....

It this something anyone ells has experienced LOL.... Or is it all in my head?

If you experienced it, chances are that someone else, sometimes many people have. It's another symptom/signpost of a approaching shift. Just like you do with all the other signposts, passively observe it and stay the course.
If it's not already mentioned in this thread, you can add it to it if you wish to. That would helpful to others here as well  
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/exit_symptomssignposts-t46206.0.html

I find that sometimes new members confuse the gentle tingling of the onset of a approaching "shift", with the intense vibrations, sometime "Earthquake" like and full on "body buzz" of a imminent "exit". The sensations "can" get pretty intense, sometimes violent at times. But this doesn't happen every time to you and not every one will experience it. I did during my "candle staring" video approach when I was new to this practice and once in awhile I still get rather strong exit signs.

Maybe we should discuss that next, once the others chime in on this 2nd question of yours.

I didn't really expect anyone to answer the second part of that question. I was hoping they would though.  

At the time I was typing that reply, the phone rang and it was good friend of mine from this Forum here that I highly respect. I told him what I was currently typing and i said I wanted to avoid using the word "chosen", because a word such as that implies another word "ego" as well. But we both agreed that word had to be used to further the point that was being made.

I don't know but somehow I would hope so. It is a reward for the 'loneliness' we experience here since we do not meet a lot of peoplf of 'our kind' in physical daily life. 

I agree. We seem to live a life of loneliness and "alienation". Even in a crowd you can feel alone.

I work in large crowds, as per the Renaissance Faires that I am a Merchant of. I normally scan the crowd to see other "unique" or special people that may be around. But I also notice that they are attracted to me in those settings as well.
MJ has always been amazed how people just happen to come into our tent and start talking about Astral Travel and Lucid Dreaming. It's like we have a beacon on the top of our tent that is attracting "like minded" individuals. I love meeting those people. It is the high light of the show for me. 

 First off, excellent posts to all those that have chimed in. I didn't know where this thread was going to lead, but I like this direction it has now taken. 

So, since we can now agree that there is some kind of structure "there". Can we also agree that we are being lead to that conclusion for some greater good?

I see how we are a very minute part of the population that does indeed "consciously" experience this. The first times could be understood as purely by intent. But what about now when it has gotten so much deeper for some of us, the regular experiencers?

Could it be we have been "chosen" to open our eyes now so that we can become a part of that "structure" some day. That statement isn't ego talking. That is my personal observation.
We have all seen in this reality here how the pupil becomes the teacher somewhere down the line. If not for a greater purpose, then why are we seeing what we are, when so many others around us are just consciously living and experiencing in this physical realm here? There has to be a reason why we have chosen or have been chosen to "consciously" exist in these dual, no dual is not the right word, multi layers that we experience on a regular basis.
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 SACOLUCCI, check out this video. It is a short video with Tom Campbell talking about overcoming fear. That in itself is a shock because most of Tom's videos are 3 hours long, lol. There is so much great to absorb in his videos that you really need to watch them multiple times. This one is short though and right to the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TteLGaSmWwc

"I have two very strong self evident truths that I have arrived at."
...And I would would never challenge their validity...on a personal, subjective level. The point I was trying to bring us to is the larger cultural acceptance of our subjective experience. When I say self evident, I was speaking at the (forgive me for using this word) paradigm level that lens our understandings of what is possible. We are still using a 500yr old mechanistic metaphor upon which many of our current assumptions are based. This is the dominant narrative upon which we base what is possible or accepted as "evidence"

True. At the moment they are just "personal evidence".

So, for everyone that is reading this, here is question to you. Have you experienced some kind of adventure/scenario whereas in that "realm", you found some kind of "structure"? Whether this structure revealed itself in a "time out" or "ban" that you experienced due to something you did or whether you just were "shown", in some way shape or form, that there was a "ruling" force that needed everyone there, including you, to abide with.

I know that's not subjective evidence. But if enough people have indeed experienced something akin to this and that that became their personal truths or as you called it "self evident" truth, than we can begin to at least see "common ground" here.