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The reason I had willed myself to loose focus on it was I remember reading or hearing that you should not focus on theses pictures that flash.

Okay, I know this is going to sound strange and have you questioning terminology in this practice in general. When I say "passively observe", it means that you just notice or should I say take a mental note of what is occurring. At this point it is your focus because you are visually seeing it, but it isn't your intended "focus target" at the moment. Unless of course you are using what you are seeing as a focus target, like you do in the act of "Noticing", which is something you do when you attempt to Phase. Yes, that still sounds confusing. But I think you understand what I am saying here. Example of this: I am using the action visual of shooting a ball in a hoop. This at the time was my "intended" focus. What you are experiencing is Hypnagogic imagery and that is normally unintended.

From the last two experiences I posted would you say I am heading in the right direction and doing good? Or is there any think you think I am missing?

You are doing great here. Keep it up. The more you practice, the easier you will find it to control your actions once you have consciously shifted.

Should I have stayed focused on the pictures that flash past?

This is when you PASSIVELY OBSERVE everything that flashes by with a air of curiosity and stay the course.

Was this more of the start of a LD? If so how do I keep that from happening and move to AP? Or should I have just ran with it LOL?

It was the beginning of a "shift in consciousness", which is what Astral projection really is. You should have just "ran with it".

Yes I am open to "Baby Steps".
LOL after the events I went trough yesterday (as described above). I can see how this process can take some time to get comfortable with all the new feeling and sensations.

I tried again last night as I was going to bed. And for one reason, or another, I was not able to make it as far. I guess it is all part of the process.  

One step forward, two steps back!   Yes, unfortunately it "can be" part of the process. It doesn't always have to work that way though.

I found it easier in the beginning when I just jumped into a focus technique and did what it said. Through that I experienced enough to show me that something really was happening and then I was hooked. Although it was a scary moment, it exhilarated me.

My initial success came about after watching a video on "Candle staring". It was simple, whereas now the gentleman who created it has redid it and it has gotten very complexed with all kinds of opinions on what is happening and why. Plus he added energy work, talk of Chakras and a new breathing technique to it. That also made it 2 videos long, part 1 and part 2, instead of just the initial simple 10 minutes total that it used to be on 1 video. But the main focal point (flame staring) still remained the same.

Soon after blowing the candle out and going through many cycles of seeing the flame with my closed eyes, having it disappear, then bringing it back again, I began hearing a rumbling sound. This rumbling sound was soon accompanied by heavy vibrations. It got so loud and so the vibrations so violent that I swore a Helicopter was going to land on my roof. I was hooked though. I couldn't wait to do it again. After that though I never felt the vibrations that bad again or did I hear the sounds so loudly. Well, that's except for the times I was awoken in full SP with people screaming at me. I could have did without those, lol!  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IhZAHV_xl0

I apoligize as that is the only way I can explain it. I was there for mabey 2 seconds each time.

What do you guys use to stay there?

2 seconds sounds about right when you begin. That's enough chance to get a "sneak peek" and have your excitement blow all your progress, lol. But it does get better with time.

You will learn in time to "ground" yourself to the scenario you find yourself in. But first you need to learn to walk before you can run! Baby steps! 

Thank you for the welcome. I am not sure what thread you were reading. I have not posted the thread about the wife yet. But will look at the one you say as I am very curious LOL.

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Oops, my bad. That should have said "I read that post about your wife on another Forum"!  

 Have a look at this. Exit Signs and Symptoms.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/exit_symptomssignposts-t46206.0.html

It sounds like your body was being "desensitized", which is normal and that the last piece to go was your foot. I have this happen often, whereas one part or another of my body will begin to tingle, just before my non physical focus is complete. The change in darkness sounds like you are entering the "void", also know as the 3D darkness. There is a strange change to the depth here and now it is time to start exploring what lies within it. Do not take a sneak peek back at your body though. That will lead to a prompt end to your current session.
This is when you "stay the course" and begin your adventure!  

[BOLD BLUE LETEERS]

 Greetings! 

I read that post about your wife on another thread and I see that she wishes to take a more no nonsense approach to this. So if this is true, I would say that she would enjoy this scientific explanation of what is happening when she is awaking in what is known as Sleep Paralysis.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/everything_you_could_ever_want_to_know_about_sleep_paralysis-t38734.0.html

You will find that all of the "Stickies" here. (Threads in BOLD BLUE LETEERS0, are loaded with great info and techniques.

There is so much great info to be found. But also if you go in a blind YouTube search you will find a lot of alarming and misguided ones as well. The "pioneers" of the practice are normally the safest for now. That being Robert Monroe, William Buhlman, Tom Campbell, Robert Peterson, Kurt Leland and many others.

There is a ton of research to be found. But in the end, nothing beats personal explorations! You only need to prove it to yourself!   

 Plasma, it sounds to me like you already made your decision. So why even ask people's opinion here? There have been other threads like this here on the Astral Pulse and they ALWAYS get the same response. You already see that we don't need "drugs" of any kind to succeed here. It takes patience, practice, perseverance and a focused will and intent to succeed.
This is one such thread:
  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/difference_between_drugs_and_meditating-t23004.0.html

Many others and I have attempted to help you over the years with conventional methods. But for one reason or another you always made excuses why they wouldn't work for you. If you had put half the time that you spent asking questions here at the Astral Pulse into your practice, you would be a natural by now.   You have been a member here since 2010. That's a lot of practice time there.

 Your still looking for that "magic pill". I will tell you one thing, succeeding in a goal in life because of all the learning and effort you put into it is way more fulfilling than a magic pill of any kind.

I have opened other people's eyes up to another possibility/the NP, using my L/S Machine in the past. But not one of them pursued this any further. They saw what they saw and just kind of thought it's not for them I guess. I was shocked. I always thought the "magic pill" would work. But now I see I was mistaken.

@Lumaza, that is fascinating. I have to try this pineal visualisation and see if it helps. Did you find it to be specially effective in contrast to any old standard focus?

I didn't find it any better than any other technique I use. It was a great focus target. I just wanted to try something different for a change of pace. It made sense to me that if I could actually squeeze the Pineal Gland, that it would excrete the DMT needed to put me into SP. But truthfully all the focus and effort I put it into took long enough for my body to begin to go into SP as it was, lol. You will find that with any focus technique that you wish to use. If you focus long enough on something other than your physical body, soon enough your physical body will begin to react to that unbeknownst to you at the time.

I am also very interested in this light machine. I see that the Lucia Light is beyond expensive at 15,000 Euros - but there are cheaper things out there like the Laxman. I would have to imagine that it is not as effective - the Lucia seems reasonably advanced, but maybe that is a smoke screen. It is simple hardware that anyone could design, but the intensity and variation of the lights must take immense study to develop.

Psychologists are having amazing results with Autism, PTSD and other mental disabilities because of the Light/Sound Machines. The Lucia is being used all over the World now by Doctors, Psychologists, Psychiatrists, etc. That's why it is so expensive. It is also many levels up from your basic handheld L/S machines that you find for $150-800 US. I asked the Lucia creators in the past if they were going to make a "home model", hand held unit in the future. They never answered me back, lol. Their unit sells for $22,000 US. It is in a completely different league from the other ones.

I own a L/S Machine myself, as you know already know and I have enjoyed it thoroughly. But there is a caution or I should say needs to be a caution on these things. Sometimes the strobe/flashing light can be too bright and cause irreparable optical nerve damage. I found that out first hand.  

But by controlling the intensity of the brightness on the machines you can rectify that. The manufactures of these machines need to stress that more.

It got quiet all of the sudden. What's wrong does taking a molecule for spiritual enlightenment not fit your world view? You's are way too politically correct. News flash the truth isn't always politically correct.

Most threads die on this Forum after a few posts. You for one should know that already. It has nothing to do with your introducing the "drug content".

The video link you gave above explains that this guy experiments with different types of Psychedelics to aid in his "altered states". So your revelation that this guy was under the influence of something wasn't a shock at all.

What kind of a reaction were you looking for?

I wanted to ask can you compare the description in the phasing book (from Xanth) of the mental rundown exercise to this

I would say it's time to do some investigating/homework and exploring of your own here.  

You need to find something that works for "YOU".  

 I came across this article recently. When MJ was undergoing her surgery for Cancer, I asked a number of the Nurses that I came into contact with there, if they had heard from their patients anything that would give them a clue that this person may have been experiencing a "Angel" or other spirit, before they passed away.

The question definitely created a response. Some were kind of in shock by my question, but I could tell they "knew" something. Others were more open and shared their stories. I then asked them if they ever had anyone come into the Hospital to help these people prepare for their oncoming "transition", as of what William Buhlman teaches. They answered no, which I expected them to say.

Here's the article:
http://www.dailygrail.com/Spirit-World/2016/9/Japanese-Study-Finds-1-5-Dying-Patients-Experienced-Deathbed-Visions-Deceased

 Congratulations Bloodshadow!   What do you think the lesson was in this?

Thaomas, I did a focus in the past whereas I actually visualized not only my Pineal Gland, but me squeezing it and watching as it entered my blood quickly filled my body. Beforehand I had spent about a week researching the Pineal Gland, mostly pictures as to help my visualizations. This did lead to SP on many times.

Now I don't know if the DMT is distributed through the blood, which would make it almost automatic or if it's a signal to the nerves to enter the state of paralysis. But I have found that you can trick this into occurring using a Light/Sound Machine. For some reason the flashing lights of one of those machines, along with the colors, binaural beats, etc., seems to be able to imitate what we would see if we stayed completely consciously while falling asleep. It is one of the stages that I witnessed in my nightly natural sleep process or cycle. I know that for sure because I have witnessed it often.

I think the Light/Sound machine is able to kick our brains into a REM cycle. Thus starting the natural process of SP. The Lucia Light machine is proving this today.

 I practice Tibetan Dream Yoga. Well actually I put a lot of research into it and practiced often. Today it is either automatic by intent or spontaneous and keeps me awake all night when I don't want to be, lol. Some nights I just can't kick it off.

Edit: I went to the brilliant thread on SP here that Bedeekin had created in the past and found this explanation of SP:
"Many people associate SP with being a necessity for experiencing NPMR. This is a fallacy. True, it is a direct route into the altered state of consciousness that IS 'nonphysical', but far too often it is lingered and pondered upon much to the distraction of the uninitiated. It can actually be said that SP is not meant to be experienced. If it were, there wouldn't be a plethora of anesthetic mechanisms naturally put in place that cause us not to experience it. Usually SP is an unconscious process that happens when we enter REM sleep that inhibits us from acting out our non-physical incursions. It is a natural physical anesthetic. The medical term for this process is REM atonia (atonia meaning a lack of muscular tension). Being aware of this state that the body has put so much effort into concealing is what we experience as Sleep Paralysis. I will add here that sleepwalking isn't an REM state phenomenon but rather takes place during Slow Wave Sleep State. "

One last little thing on REM Atonia. This one a explanation from Wikipedia:
REM atonia, an almost complete paralysis of the body, is accomplished through the inhibition of motor neurons. When the body shifts into REM sleep, motor neurons throughout the body undergo a process called hyperpolarization: their already-negative membrane potential decreases by another 2–10 millivolts, thereby raising the threshold which a stimulus must overcome to excite them. Muscle inhibition may result from unavailability of monoamine neurotransmitters (restraining the abundance of acetylcholine in the brainstem) and perhaps from mechanisms used in waking muscle inhibition.[36] The medulla oblongata, located between pons and spine, seems to have the capacity for organism-wide muscle inhibition.[37] Some localized twitching and reflexes can still occur

I just keep thinking how incredibly easy it is for kids to take all this in stride and accept their oddities as totally natural, at least until the grown-up world convinces them otherwise. If we could retain or regain that simplicity then projecting should be the easiest thing on Earth.

Once again, "remembering" what we once knew. Then being told to forget it, lol! 

LOL - AP, LD, SP, Guides, Lost Souls, Others, The Matrix - Pick one or add more.

The names changed when the meaning of those names were finally experienced at a deeper level.

Most people I know today still use the "old names" though. Not everyone has "chose" to see the way we do. Our priorities seem to change upon a "awakening" or life altering experience. I have talked to some people, when I do my shows on the road, that state that they gave up a 6 figure job and lifestyle and totally walked away from it all when they had their "experience". They had a totally new mindset. Not everyone can afford that in their lives. Not everyone is even ready to try. That's not a knock on those people though. We have just chosen a different path then they have.  

We used to call them fantasies, daydreams, imaginary friends and nightmares. We also sometimes called them angels, demons, spirits, ghosts and fairies.

Now that we are entering this 'awakening' are we just giving old thoughts a new name?

What's the "new name"?   

Thanks for the feedback. I have ordered a mindfold. Can't wait to try it out. Thanks again.

After years of use my Mindfold fell apart. So I purchased a different Eye Mask with a bit more comfort. I found that Velcro on the Mindfold to be a bit uncomfortable.

This is my new one. Cheap price with comfort and strength. Washable too. 
http://www.dreamessentials.com/product-66/escape-luxury-travel-sleep-mask-carry-pouch-earplugs

The only restrictions we have on the learning system as you call it is that which we allow to be put on it, That is part of the whole problem, The group mind playing dictator telling everyone else what they may or may not be allowed to do...

Methen, you had a choice to come here to this Earth system/school. You made that choice before you came and now you are here. Now you need to find the purpose for that choice you previously made. I'm sure though that that choice wasn't made so you could come here and hate the choice you already made. That was a real tongue twister there, lol. 

Because in the space Leo is talking about you can't even fathom. There is absolutely no thought or cognition of any kind where he was at. There is also no subject and no object. Unless Leo went to the core place of what your talking about. Thoughts?

That is the true definition of just "being"! 

That's why words alone try to describe it but fail, as Nameless has said here. Many have gotten to the doorstep/threshold. But only so many will actually "allow" themselves to be immersed in the full depth of the experience. It can be a haunting or a exhilarating experience. It all depends on what you make of it.

I have made no effort to change anyone's mind. I have merely pointed out falsehood. One thing I have noticed... if you repeat anti-Catholic bigotry you are good to go on most AP forums but if you challenge anti-Catholic bigotry you quickly wear out your welcome... and if you prove that the typical anti-Catholic bigotry is blatant falsehood you are branded a criminal.

Your falsehood. You are the one that thinks it is a Falsehood. Don't you see that?

Also, pertaining to your post about AP Forums speaking "anti-Catholic bigotry" as you call it, that should tell you something about the way that many people that do AP feel, simply because they have "seen" or "awoken" to something different. Their views, as mine, have changed because of something we have experienced firsthand, not something we read in a book or were told by another person.

Do you actively project Robert? If you do, where do you go, what do you see? Do you use that time to explore? Have you ever ended up in a "Training Ground" or 'Astral School" scenario. I am not saying this to "one up" you. I am asking because many before you people that have come here to this Forum to challenge our beliefs, haven't even had a successful fully conscious AP themselves, besides maybe walking around the Etheric realms for bit before they find themselves back in their bodies. By this I mean have you ever did meaningful explorations there. Have you been led by a Guide or mentor. Things like that.

You can PM me if you want to answer those questions privately.

I have a feeling that this conversation/thread is going to be locked soon anyways. This isn't a battle. There are no winners or losers here.  If you reread all the posts here, you will see the posters saying basically the thing in general and that's that you won't change our beliefs. Seeing firsthand and experiencing leads to our current mindset.

 I listened to his whole video and what I saw was that he reached "Point Consciousness", where there is "no body" at all. All that exists is you as a point of consciousness. At that point there is no beginning, no end, there just "is". It is mind blowing when you first achieve it.

This can be reached by anyone that learns to Astral Project. The first sign you are reaching this point is when you hit the 3D darkness void, where you just "are". There is no ego, there is just pure space, but instead of seeing it with your closed eyes, you are now totally consumed by and in it. This is a very exciting and can be also a very scary time for most people. I love just immersing myself deep inside it. It's a place where you can just "be", without all the trials and tribulations of this physical realm. It's also a great pace to rid yourself of pain or anguish!   

But often claims such as this are patently false claims and it is easy to prove. For example this thread is about Satan and a claim was made that "The Church" invented Satan to control people through fear"... but "The Church" inherited Satan from an ancient belief system -- "Satan" was already several thousand years old before "The Church" was even born! How could the Church be held responsible for *that*?!

Hmm, those Ancient belief systems you speak of talked about "GODS". Yes, that is plural for a reason.

Robert you remind me of another gentleman who was once a member of this Forum named Wi11iam.  He was rather intelligent on facts, but when it came to letting something, he lacked that ability. Lightbeam, Nameless and I have politely requested that you end this "mission" that you are on to change our minds. That's exactly what the Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses try to do when they knock at my door. I tell them the same thing I have told you. I also let them know that I will change my view when I see for myself that I am wrong period. That's the end of the conversation. Thank You. Then I respectfully close my door.

You don't realize it but this entire thread you have indeed been preaching your side.
preach
  (prēch)
v. preached, preach·ing, preach·es

v.tr.
1.  To proclaim or put forth in a sermon: preached the gospel.

2.  To advocate, especially to urge acceptance of or compliance with: preached tolerance and peaceful coexistence.

3.  To deliver (a sermon).

v.intr.
1.  To deliver a sermon.

2.  To give religious or moral instruction, especially in a tedious manner.
Idiom:
preach to the  choir/converted
To argue in favor of a viewpoint already held by one's audience.

I still question today why a Forum that is based on Astral Projection needs to have a sub-Forum on Religion. You can look through the lengthy threads in that sub-Forum and see that almost every time they have ended in some kind of strife. When I was a Moderator here I witnessed that firsthand. We were always trying to clean up the mess that the topic created. Many times we needed to lock the thread period because it got so out of hand.

Tonight infollowed a guided meditation on YT. Visualizing my front door, walking through it into a crystal lake, becoming the lake, reflecting to the stars, creating an astral body etc...

During this meditation I quickly fell into one of the nicest sleep paralysis experiences I have ever had. Im very good at keeping conscious awareness these days and don't ever find myself falling asleep. In fact I think my mental awareness is almost too sharp/aware.

At the point of creating my astral body from the stars I visualized crackling and pure energy. It was quite nice. At this point I felt really energized. Unfortunately as the guide was telling me to rise up through my body laying in bed, I noticed a bright whiteness taking over and as it got brights it was simply my eyes just opening under their own accord. Now my eyes were open and I was still in a SP state. I closed them, my focus went to my physical body and it was all pretty much toast. I woke up in a deep sweat, and 50 minutes went really fast.

I imagine this could be some sort of test/natural response. Im very grateful for the sensations I did feel and the overall experience was extremely pleasant.

Not sure what I'm missing, other than practice. I keep waiting for my visualization to become my primary focus, but it just doesn't seem to happen. PS. I am practicing at night because it is not going to happen having a new born at 4 am and I don't have an issue getting to a mind awake body asleep state (this usually takes me very little time to accomplish). Time seems to simply allow my body to fall further and further asleep.

Any input is always appreciated and TIA.

I take it that the "creating my astral body from the stars I visualized crackling and pure energy" and the "Guide" that you mentioned was still part of the walkthrough, as of a part of the program you were listening to. If that is the case, the "Mindfold" or any other blindfold I told you about in the other thread of yours here, would help you immensely.

I used it and still use it today because I want to know that without a shadow of a doubt that any light I may see is like from another Realm. I could only be 100% sure of that if I knew that I had blocked out any form of light from getting into my eyes before I began the session itself.

Congratulations though, It sounds like you were basically teetering on the doorstep, per se. I would stay with that visualization practice/walkthrough that you have found. It sounds like it is working.

You learn to "allow" your visualization to become your primary focus when you stop looking back at your body to see what it's doing and instead keep your focus on the visualizations you are creating. Even a "sneak peek" is enough to set you back to the beginning again.

Another great visualization practice is to just focus on seeing a blade grass. Then the rock that is beside the blade of grass. Now slowly allow your peripheral focus to begin to see other things around you. You will start to see things happening on their own. Things just appearing and disappearing. Stay with the focus. Just passively observe as this new World begins to appear. Soon you will merge with it and become one in the scene.

Another great focus tech is to start with your "Happy Place". It could be a real place here in this Realm or some imaginary place. Go there and see what you can see. At first it's hard to hold your focus there for long periods of time. But the longer you hold it there, the longer you are keeping it away from here.

Focusing on a simple flame will do it for me now. Just watching the flame dancing will always start some kind of great experience. I used to use the same idea with a Child's toy spinning top. I saw Leonardo DiCaprio use one in the movie "Inception" and I thought that was brilliant. I used that visual quite a bit and still do occasionally use it today. I like to switch things up often and keep this practice always feeling fresh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNrdx52SoEs

This does get better with practice though. But for now except this a positive experience and know that you are currently moving forward to achieving your goal.  

What's up with that?!

Once again Robert, you need to ask yourself "why does this bother you do"? People are entitled to their own opinions and unless they have died and came back with irrefutable proof, they will continue to until their last dying breath.

My statements above were based on what I learned and perceive as truth. Until I see differently, I shall stay with those beliefs. They have nothing to do with "hate" or "love". They are simply my own observations.

You can only win a challenge with someone that is willing to accept the challenge in the first place. You don't need to respond to this. Just think about it for a minute.

Now let's return to the OP's question and stop hi-jacking his thread. I apologize for this fatfooty.   
Thank You!

Religion and politics are closely linked and they only seem to be "hot buttons" for those who hold very strong and definite opinions on those topics but can't even begin to articulate how or why they think the way they do. It unnerves them no end to have to explain themselves. (Because if they try, they are forced to come to grips with the fact that they have no idea what they are talking about and are basically completely irrational start to finish).

But I think it unnerves "you" to no end when someone doesn't articulate how or why they think the way they do. This is something you need to work on, not them. Ask yourself "why it bothers you so"?

Nameless once again stated what I was thinking "Or perhaps they are just done with discussing something that to their minds is no longer worth the effort." In other words, let's agree to disagree and finish it there, okay.