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You didn't answer the question; What "Church" are you talking about? (and, you used to believe *what* things?)

I don't know what "god" you think you are talking about with respect to *humanity* but I know that well over a BILLION Christians of one faith believe that "God" is the "Creator of Heaven and Earth".

Do you really think that Mankind has a chance to learn to create a whole Universe one day? (I don't).

*FEAR* is far and away the primary motivation that people act on. Lust and greed get dishonorable mention as well. Some Pollyanna types pay lip service to "love" but it is obvious that they are mostly delusional and wallowing in wishful thinking.

Hmm. I can live with your belief Robert, as long as you don't preach it to me. Why can't you live with mine? There's the problem with Religion in a nut shell. So much angst caused by who's right and who's wrong. It doesn't bother me in the least what someone else believes, unless of course they are attempting to preach it to me.

While were at it, let's talk about Politics too. That seems to be another "hot button" topic. Please no! 

What does you intuition tell you about the ubiquitous and inevitable 'adversary' and 'deceiver' that presents itself constantly?

What "Church" are you talking about? Islam? Catholic/Christian? Hebrew? Buddhist? Hindu? Taoist? Shamanist/tribal?

All I can tell you Robert is that I used to believe in these things.  But not only what I was told, but also what I have seen with my own eyes in the "Otherworlds", is that there is nothing to "fear". Things happen the way they should.

My feelings abut God with a big G, are that yes there is a source of all, but the one that Humanity talks about, that created this world would be known more as little g or also known as the "others", with a plural. That is not to disrespect them because creating a whole Universe is quite a feat in itself. One that Mankind has a chance to learn to do one day as long as they don't blow themselves up first.

You can see those believes shared in Shamanism, in Hinduism (Vedas), Buddhism, Ancient Egyptian religion, even the Bible. But what was being witnessed was misinterpreted for what it really was.

 

 Why is this thread in this Sub-Forum? It has nothing to do with Astral Projection or Out of Body Experiences?  

I agree fully with Nameless "People are making claims all over the world and many of them believe their claim to be the ultimate truth. Why should I give more credence to them than I do to my own intuition?"

My intuition has always told me that Satan is a control mechanism that was created by the Church to control others by "fear". I will stick with that belief until I am "proven" wrong, however long that shall take!

 

Awesome! Thanks so much for shining a light. I appreciate the understanding for my lack of forum etiquette. I'm not too well versed on the technically side of projecting or else I would have used the search. Thanks again!

Your Welcome! 

  I just wanted to help you to avoid problems that i had when I was new here as well, like navigating this Forum in general . 

But as I said, this can and will be beat. You just have to find the way that works for you. Sometimes all it takes is a good "heart to heart" conversation with your "Higher Self". Meditation will help you with that! 

 Hello

Try searching the word "Mindfold" in the Forum search engine at the top right hand corner of the page here. Do it from the Forum "Home" page, otherwise you will only get a search from the Sub-Forum you are currently in. There you will find that many people, including myself, that had this problem as well.

In the threads you will read through the search engine, you will find different ways to rectify this problem.

But in the end I found this to be a "self initiated" block, kind of a test of sorts, to see your willingness and determination to overcome it. It can and will be beat, that's if you are willing to "confront" and overcome these circumstances.

Good luck! 

The difference is when yo have somebody that is totally new to the world of astral projection. people do not need to have things added to their fears, which is the one thing they do not need, For example you have a  5 year child that is a natural at astral projection, As she as been doing since she was 2, and has never had any problems, as she does not know what fear is, Then someone comes along and tells her about all the scary crap on the astral planes, Just what do you think that is going to do to her, same exact thing with a adult just learning no difference...

That's a bad example. If she had been already projecting since she was 2 years old because she was a "natural", as you put it, like Szaxx and others on this Forum are, she would already know better when this person comes to inform her of the "scary crap" on the Astral planes.

I think we need to agree to disagree and that's my final word on this subject. Thank You.

I was wondering if Lion or someone else would have both the shorter version of L #3
AND
The hour long version...

If yes, Please e-mail it to me...

Thanks!

Its no longer available. Sorry!

When the seeds of fear are planted sooner or later they will grow and then people will have to deal with them, Why would anyone want to...

The seeds of fear are planted in almost any TV show or movie you watch these days. So what's the difference? I believe if the person "understands" why they are experiencing a fearful situation, that then they know how to handle it when and if it occurs.

That kind of understanding only happens by learning about it beforehand! But it should never be "harped" on by anyone, Author or not.

 Hello NF91 and welcome to the Astral Pulse!  

I found a focus on "Mind Awake/Body Asleep" to be a fantastic focus target. When I was new to Astral projection I used that "mantra" often. I love experimenting, so at first, whether it was a book or a  Astral related video I listened to, I learned to use the colors blue and orange for my mind awake/body asleep focus. When I thought the words mind awake, I would focus on the color orange filling my head. When I thought the word blue, I would have the color blue rushing down through my body.

Soon I found that that color focus with the mantra was leading to energy sensations racing through my body, so I dropped the colors and instead used a focus on my brain when I focused on mind awake and of my brain excreting DMT throughout my body when I used the thought body asleep. I usually used this until I was deep in a good solid trance state, then I began focusing on whatever my intent was for that session. Soon I found myself experiencing what I had chosen first hand.

Your method of using green for mind awake and red for body asleep is great because it has subliminal suggestions wrapped into it. I used it this morning when I first woke up and soon found myself in a "Otherworld" very quickly. After I was in a good trance state I started to try to focus on different things. First I used a "trampoline" effect. Then I moved onto simply focusing on different balls, like a tennis ball, basketball, soccer ball, etc. I did this to check how far I was into thought = action. Next I moved onto a focus on oaring and soon I found myself arriving at a Island that had a enormous Pyramid made of sand.

Because thought = action there, I no longer had to oar to get there. I just found myself there and soon I was exploring this new environment.

Thank You for this post. This brought me back to when I was new to this practice in general. I mention mind awake/body asleep quite a bit in my posts throughout this Forum and now people know why. It is indeed a very strong focus mechanism and your addition of the colors red and green just made it even better.  

So to answer your question of what you should do when you find yourself deep in that state, yes, you could have just passively observed to see what you could have seen or you could have thought of your "Happy Place" or any other thing or place you intended to be and soon you would have found yourself there. When I was new to this practice I would get deep into this state and use the intent to see a simple sign on a grassy area that said "Training Grounds". I used it often and found that it led to many "Astral School" scenarios where I was taught how to navigate and control myself and my actions in the "Otherworlds". This was extremely helpful. The knowledge I gained from those scenarios was priceless for me. What I was taught there earlier on in my adventures is responsible for most of my knowledge and understanding that I have on this topic today .  I was eager to learn and whoever it was that was responsible for helping me, was eager to teach me and still is today.  Although today the "school classroom" aspect of it has disappeared and now I find my answers through tests, quests and adventures.  

A fascinating place Earth: in one part war, another part peace; one part poverty and disease, another prosperity and relative health; slavery there, freedom just a few hours away...

A Planet of "balance".

We need to remember though, one man's good/positive is another's evil/negative and visa versa. We see this often in War. One side hates or believes the other side as being wrong and feels they are just. Just as the other side does as well.

We came here to this physical realm to experience and as Lightbeam points out, to learn from those experiences.. The good, bad and ugly are all experiences. So is "Love" and "Hate".

Lessons learned in the "Otherworlds" will drive that point home quite quickly. I was actually shocked for about 3 weeks and in total confusion by something I was shown there. It was definitely a "wake up call".  At the time, I thought I wasn't ready for it. But if I wasn't, I wouldn't have been shown it in the first place.

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Is this some form of projection? How do i raise vibrations? This is like wakeful sp with projection.

Yes. You have shifted. No need to raise the vibrations. Yes it is. It sounds like you have indeed awoken, become consciously aware, in some level of Sleep Paralysis.

Have a look at this thread here. It explains everything you need to know about SP:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/everything_you_could_ever_want_to_know_about_sleep_paralysis-t38734.0.html

In this section you will find many great techniques to use when you find yourself in SP. I don't know what it is your attempting because your initial post was very vague. But you I'm sure you will find something in those Stickies (threads in BOLD BLUE LETTERS) that you are comfortable with.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness-b30.0/

What do you think would have been the best thing to do here to attempt to astral project?

Instead of thinking about waking up, like you did, you could have thought of going to your "Happy Place" and you would have been there.

What would the experienced projectors have done here?

A more experienced projector would have likely used their intent to go explore and never, never would they have thought of waking up or of their physical body, unless of course it was for some form of "healing it".
In the area you found yourself in thought = action immediately. You used that thought to think about waking up. Next time use it to go explore. Start with a simple visual. Put a strong forced will and intent to be there and you will find yourself there.

Oh lastly, when you became consciously aware half in your Dream and half in the black consciousness, you were already well into the shift. Actually you were already there. All you needed to do at that point was to improve your awareness by grounding yourself into the scenario at hand. You will find that there is much to explore in the Dream World. There is no need to try to project from a Dream. Try to find out the purpose of the Dream or scenario you are in at the moment. You will find that that in itself leads to a exciting adventure as it is.

But, if you wished to project, as of a actual OBE, in the true sense of the word, you could have used a strong focused will and intent to do that too. Then you could have used a exit technique, like a "Trampoline"/climbing a wall, floating upwards or action/sport related intent to get yourself out of your body. Sometimes just the word command "up" can be all it takes to kick the process into gear.

This is all food for thought. I don't know if you are trying for a "etheric exit" or just to become consciously aware while in the "Otherworlds". Both ways lead to different adventures of their own.
Good Luck! 

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Personally in my opinion I think that including the topic of fear in astral books is the one biggest mistake that all writers make they should leave anything involving fear out of the book period...

I disagree with this statement.

The topic of fear should be brought up in Astral books. It should be explained to the nth degree, so that a person understands fully that when and if they encounter it, they fully understand what is happening and why.

Tom Campbell brings it up in almost all of his videos because he understands the importance of people needing to know what it is and he stresses it must be confronted before you can move on.

Fear can come as a number of things. You could encounter it from the start of the exit signs and symptoms. You can awaken to it in SP. You can even experience a fearful situation in the Astral. But the main thing here is that you "know" how to confront it and move on.

I think "need" is related in general but individual circumstances also play in. A psychic working with police has little need but has innate talent that can be applied regardless of individual need. Most people have no 'need' and even in many cases, it is detrimental to the psyche (distracts from the here & now) so the ability is greatly diminished for them.

I think "need" and purposely "sought out" both are both important parts of why one may be able to RV. There is also one more reason and that is that "someone", call it Guardian Angel/Spirit Guide of "other", is looking out for you. But I think we are using term RV wrong here.  At least from the way it was designed to be used, as in using specific coordinates to see what is there.

We should call this a sense of "knowing". Knowing can envelop knowing of a person upon just meeting them. Meaning being able to read their story immediately as you shake their hand or they get into your energy space.

Then we have the knowing a physic has when aiding the Police, through intent. I tried this a couple of years ago when someone made a thread asking why don't we don't help police, gov't, etc., if Astral projection was real. He basically came here to challenge us, as often occurs on a Forum of this nature.
That night I did indeed try to see something and what I saw I couldn't stomach. "Knowing" for the Police wasn't for me. I did actually see the area that they found the guy. But I also saw very graphically how he had murdered his victims.   That was still intent though. This a link to that thread: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_psychic_and_paranormal/why_are_psychics_not_used_by_police_to_find_missing_persons-t39765.0.html

Then comes the "knowing" I received by a Guardian Angel/Spirit Guide that actually saved MJ and I from a very stressful and bad economic situation.
This is a post I made here from back in Nov 15/2013 after this question by another skeptic here new to the Astral Pulse Forum.
"You say 99.9% of all validations happen unexpectedly, I ask me really why! why u cannot control it if its real possible to get new information in OBE. You would have such a big advantage."
My response:

"I have one for you Ofen!  smiley

Two years ago MJ and I were to have a store in our local Mall. We paid the contract for the store and were set to open it in 30 days. I did a Phase session and saw that I was in the Mall, but working at a Kiosk, not a store and that I was selling 2 completely different products, that we had never sold before. Actually they were 2 products that I didn't know anything about. We had our own inventory ready to go as it was and had no need for these other 2 things.

Trusting my vision, I searched everywhere and set up a line of distribution with the needed companies. I told MJ of my vision. She didn't want to hear any of that talk. A store gave her an area to paint and sculpt her beautiful Dragons. It gave us a bathroom, a sink, a door, etc. In the past we had sold on Kiosks, but for the previous 4 years we had a temporary store location. I finally talked MJ into ordering a "small" amount" of these two new things, one being a Salt Lamp, the other a Glass Blown Jellyfish. I upped the order though, unbeknownst to her.

Two days before we were set to go in the Mall, MJ phoned them for our key. About 5 minutes later we received a call saying they had made a terrible mistake. Our store was in Michigan, not Minnesota. Michigan is a looooooooooooong way away from Minnesota. This hit MJ like a knife in the heart. She had spent the last month and half sculpting Dragons and preparing for our store. The only option the Mall office had was to give us a Kiosk and so my Astral vision came true.

That year we sold Salt Lamps on one side and Glass Jellyfish on the other. Had I not of seen it in my vision we would have taken a major financial loss. We can't sell her Dragons on a Kiosk. There is no where for her to sculpt or paint them there. A Kiosk is a small booth in the aisle of a Mall that is approximately 7 ft wide by 10 ft long. Our store was to be about 60 square feet."

So yes, "knowing" can go both ways, intending to know or a need to know basis. I guess the same could be where I get a weird vibration or tingle upon meeting someone or something that I shouldn't get to know any better. I always though that my "Spider Sense" is tingling, lol.

That "Spider Sense" made itself well known back in my youth. I remember one instance I was waling into a Home where a great party was being thrown. I had a case of beer on my shoulder and a big smile on my face. That is until I entered the Home's threshold. As soon as my foot hit the bottom of the doorway or the entrance to the home, I got a electric shock. It was like a bot of lightning hit me. I stepped back for a moment to collect myself, then proceeded forward again. Bam, it hit again. So I turned to my friend, handed him the case of beer and left.

That night the party got busted by the Police and many underage tickets were given out. So, someone was looking over me that day.  



 

I do not understand this repeated harping about the Robert Bruce "Focus on fear".

If you heard some of the interviews I have heard with him, you would see why I say " I don't subscribe to his repeated focus on "fear". I think that is detrimental to this practice. " I also said "I", so this is my own opinion of what I heard.

what does np stand for ?

NP is "Non Physical".

Here is a link to the many abbreviations used here.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_the_astral_faq/abbreviations-t21240.0.html

It's a test for you to solve.

Yes Szaxx is correct. Tests, quests and challenges abound in the "Otherworlds". That is mostly their way of communication. Ask a question, you find yourself in a situation whereas later you can discern your answer.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/tests_quests_and_challenges-t46546.0.html

Nope did nothing for me, one thing that turns me off very quickly is long relaxation exercises, My mind is conditioned to work instantly and my body is already relax, I think where they screw up is trying to tell the body to relax instead of telling the mind to relax, relax mind automatically equals relaxed body...

Good  Point!  

Yes, both mind and body need to be in sync. Otherwise you are fighting a "tug o war" of sorts.

But, I can say I actually use Roberts' NEW technique often for pain relief and it works VERY good. I don't subscribe to his repeated focus on "fear". I think that is detrimental to this practice.

Yes, you will initially encounter some kind of fear test. But once you see them and confront them for what they are, you will find yourself in the many wonderful "Otherworlds" that await you. 

That has always been my problem, even when I set astrally and have appear to be wide awake, I will not have the same conscioness that I have when I am awake,to me its like ok Iam out my body then I lay back down and wake up and its like awww nuts, I am convince that it something the is related to balance between the subconsciousness and consciousness, That and my spirit guide is never around...

That is known as a "sneak peek". You learn how to meld with your NP personality when you practice more. You also learn more about controlling your etheric self there.
Try some daily etheric exercises. They seem to really teach you how to control your Etheric self/body once you find yourself in the "Otherworlds".
Here is a great place to start: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/how_exactly_do_you_perform_the_phantom_wiggle_method-t44583.0.html

I have had many a times where I became Lucid in my Dream just when the "sht was hitting the fan". I found myself in situations doing things I would never do here. Now the task at hand was to consciously control the chaos. Not the entire scenario though, just my own actions in it.

You could look at it as my higher self has found a foolproof way to make me Lucid in my Dreams, lol. Once again, a positive coming from a negative situation!

Maybe half year ago I found some stuffs about chakras. I found information about indigo (dark blue) and purple colors. When others did the same as trying to achieve deep meditation or AP for the first time (often first time), chakra frequency musics too; they saw indigo blue or purple colors in their vision.
Indigo is the color of third eye, purple is the crown chakra - they are frequencies too if we see colors like that. Funny if others are saying that chakras are just metaphores or just main energy point in our energy bodies but it is a fact still that if you not believe in any chakra stuffs, still people experience these colors. I did not see these yet, but it could be magical or rather interesting 

The third eye half is more common as I saw, when it is activating like hell under maybe strong visualisation. But it is just a guessing what is what

Phildan, I agree,  a focus on the Chakras for me that is, seems to lead to more of a color menagerie.

The Throat Breathing technique, also know as Ujjayi Breathing ends in a focus between my two outstretched hands and my 3D eye, which creates a Pyramid. It was one of the earlier techniques I used and I always encountered some kind of spinning vortex while doing it.

I also use a focus on my 3D eye often and find that it also leads to spinning energy vortexes.

 Sorry to hi-jack your thread for a minute here Sammy, but I have a question for Robert.

Robert I would enjoy reading more about your "projection sequence". Not to judge it or anything like that, but to see what it is that works for you. I love experimenting anew.

So could you please post it, in another thread though, so as not to interrupt Sammy's thread anymore? Thank You! 

 I see the "purple Tunnel" as a portal to venture through. Move forward with no expectations and see what you can see! 

Portals come in and shapes and sizes. I have used tunnels, geometric shapes, Mandelas, actual Doorways, even Tornados as portals. I hear people often say that they use mirrors. I have never used a mirror before, other than my Scrying Mirror. But my Scrying Mirror was used more for achieving a good trance state, instead of a actual portal that I entered. I could say I was using the Portal to look through while Scrying though.

While using the Throat Breathing technique earlier in my practice, I found that every time I used the technique I was met with the visual of a rotating "Purple Haze". What was strange is that I only saw this Purple Haze during my Throat Breathing attempts, never in any other techniques I used. 

If you focus on it and it keeps continuing, try to draw it closer or try to move into it. I think this "purple tunnel" of your is some kind of Fear test. You need to enter it and see what's on the other side. This could actually be your own "block".

 Hi Luffy. These "vibrations" akin to electricity are a exit sign.  Passively observe them/mentally note them and stay the course. There may be other oddities beyond that or should I say there "will" be other oddities beyond that. You need to bypass each and every one of them before you can shift. Soon you will find that you don't need them and see that the other realms are just a simple focus away. But for now you need to learn the basics first.

Many people don't realize that there is indeed a "learning curve" to this Art, just like there is in any of other form of a Art or new teachings. New discoveries abound. Note them, write them in you Journals and keep on keeping on! 

Obviously you haven't been paying attention. It is an individual whom is living, I know exactly who it is and in which city he lives in. He has numerous times shown himself to me, he very well wants me to know it's him. People can steal secrets by spying on you which this chap does. If you could see, you'd know my soul is very, very, bright. It's what keeps me alive.

If you think the chap helps, I'd be fully OK with you having him go to you instead.

That was the first time you said that. You said above "I am being regularly harassed by a very evil pompous individual on the Etheric (near physical) dimension whom is still alive and I know exactly who it is". The "still alive" part had me confused.    

So, ignore everything I said and good luck with your problem. I won't post on this thread anymore. I don't understand what you are saying, but you seem to know. Don't let the "paranoia" of this take you down.
 

To use a metaphor, Astral Projection is like a massive party behind a locked door and you have been given a key ring with millions of keys to try. Most of the time we may not truly be prepared for the "long haul" that Lumaza pointed out of testing all of those keys, we want the quick win of the first key working.

I love that analogy. Thanks for that. Today I find that most people want and expect that "quick win". That is why it's so hard to explain to people that they need "walk before they can run". This "Now Generation" wants it to happen "yesterday" and sometimes that isn't even fast enough, lol.

For me, allowing pertains greatly to acceptance of the process. Once your mind is turned away from the quick win, you will suddenly stumble upon the correct key. In my experience two nights ago I went from boredom to understanding, to acceptance of however long it would take within a couple of minutes, then the fear test came suddenly.

I failed the fear test but I still think it was a breakthrough in understanding. The fear test was a cognisance impression that if I continued I would experience something mind blowing that reminds me of these lyrics from the song Astronomica "Stretched beyond the limits, Out into the unknown".

You didn't fail the fear test. You noticed and realized that it was a fear test and that is positive progress to me! 

I clearly wasn't ready for that because I was just experimenting without actually believing or expecting to succeed. My impression of what the conscious projection will be like is totally different to my nightly dream based experiences. I have built it up in my mind to be a zero to one million experience with no control which probably isn't the best for the fear test.

You need to lose all expectations and just "go with the flow". React to what happens when it happens. The same occurred when I had my first "Retrieval". I didn't know it was a Retrieval. I just did what I thought was right and would help the situation. Before that Retrieval I found myself in many actual "School" settings, whereas I was being taught things about how to adapt or adjust to my new surroundings.