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Given that I have been a type of Hitler or Jeffrey Dahmer in at least one of my past lives, yes I can forgive them. I would want someone to forgive me so that I could transcend and become something better (besides, the stories I'm hearing about the Hitler entity, if true, his suffering is going to last "just a little while"...he is paying heavily for everything he did. I forgive him, and relish in the justice being handed out to him with grim satisfaction).

Forgiveness does benefit the perp...if the perp makes the choice to change, the perp will need the support, faith, and understanding of others for that change to take place. That's what forgiveness provides, a second chance to acknowledge, validate, and correct the evil perpetrated to the victim. Don't give this to a perp that wants to change...you push the perp outside of creation (the creation that treats life with respect...all the rules of existence apply to everyone and everything else except the perp). The perp cannot grow, change, and create, and the Creator instilled a little drive in all of us to do just that...you can't kill that inside a person (ask the Israelis and Palestinians...they try doing that to each other all the time. Doesn't work because they cannot defeat God. So it gets worse for them instead. The Creator will have His way.). The perp will get worse because the drive cannot be fulfilled, probably re-offend at a level worse than before.

That's karma telling us our responsiblities in this world and showing us the mirror to our souls. Yes, you are your brother's keeper whether you believe it or not.

Don't believe me...wait until you become the Hitler or Dahmer, which happens to all souls that incarnate and reincarnate eventually.

Hydrogen (let's just concentrate on the basic one and forget about deuterium and tritium for a minute) contains ONE proton, which is why it is often referred to as THE proton.

All atoms contain protons and neutrons in the nucleuous and electrons in the outer shells. Positive ions, cations, in all my chemistry classes were referred to as protons (plural, not singular as with the Hydrogen). In chemical reactions we had to keep track of exchanges, sometimes 1 proton would be involved, sometimes multiple.

We never dealt with positrons in chemical reactions (only time I dealt with positrons was in physics class), which is why we probably got away with sloppy communication. We didn't have to be that specific...it wasn't a concern.

It's always interesting to see how the communication changes the more info is involved.

Why would sacrificing yourself for another be bad? Selfless Sacrifice would be the highest love there is.

Wasn't it the Christ entity that incarnated, suffered and died so others wouldn't have to? Although I often hear He's coming back, I don't think it's to re-learn something because he had to sacrifice Himself. []

I think if it would teach anything it would be that love doesn't die with the physical form and transcends physical attachment.

When you're wronged, annihilated, destroyed, ruined, forgiveness enables one to transcend all the horror, so it's not the end. Forgiveness also provides freedom for the wrongdoer to grow and change, so they are not stuck at "offender level and psyche"...unless they choose to be. If chosen, the wrongdoer needs to be held accountable and responsible until the behavior changes, but still forgiven to allow for that change to take place.

Without forgiveness, evil can defeat God, and I will never believe that.

quote:According to physical karma, a jew should be killed by Hitler because he didnt change his religion, and women should be raped because they walk at night alone.

No it doesn't and it's due to values and it's order of arrangement in a thing called priorities. What religion you are is not more important than human life, religion is an expression of human life and God. Expressing free will and making a choice is not worthy of being "raped" of everything you are.

Beavis, there's a difference between God making you in His image and you making God in your image.

Do you really think the physical and spiritual don't interact with each other? Do you really think all four bodies for that matter are separate in their own little worlds?

You share this universe, and you can be forced to change if need be. That doesn't make you a victim, it's called growing up and learning how to respect others.

Karma is put here for your growth and learning.

If you're going to keep your boundaries at a generalized level, then forget about personal growth and learning. You're just going to apply the same stupid, circular arguments. You have to set them and negotiate them with others out of respect. You're attitude toward them and their application is your choice and your responsiblity.

Ok, volcomstone,...all positive electrons are protons.

I know this is odd, but protons, positive energy ions, are electron deficient (you'd think it's the other way around because it is described as a positive ion). Desiring stability, and depending how electron deficient the atom is, it's going to seek out an ion with electrons to stabilize. Negative ions are electron abundant, and depending on how many excess electrons are present, the more so, the more reactive the ion will be, the more it will seek out ions of opposite nature to hook up and react with.

Now in reality, it's not this clean, for reactions to take place there are conditions that need to be in place. Sometimes Le Chatliers Principle works, sometimes Thermodynamics dominates. It all depends on the nature of the ions interacting.

Neg ions will react with Aromatic Hydrocarbon forming the conjugate salt and causing it to precipitate out. Aromatic is a chemical structure and has nothing to do with smell (often misleading), but it would surprise me it the precipitates are foul smelling.

Oh cute...Hi John Gardner, tell me, what was your favorite topic in literature...I prefer Shakespeare myself, preferrably Hamlet and The Tempest.

Sorry I think I know this game and I am not playing, and that isn't hate, that is just free will. I can go where I want talk to who I want or not talk at all.

Not that I am even going to be back to see this, but why are you inviting people to contact you about your "identity" on your profile page?

Avalon...

Nothing personal but I've been through serious crap...you don't bother me, you don't even rank as a nusance.

Yeah you're right, I don't know of too many governments that are completely squeaky clean...that's why not everything is a damn conspiracy. Sometimes it's just the rules of lucky cretins in power.

I hate conspiracy theories, which is why my potential government situation absolutely galls me.

After talking to Carol Rutz (one of the former child experimental subjects the CIA worked on...not conspiracy theory, fact, it was national news some years ago), the one thing I've learned is that people in power stick together. A conspiracy is not necessary for a network to exist and be employed. Powerful people stick together and help each other out and stay out of the details or the politics.

I keep hearing the object centering on the person. In my case, I don't believe the object is the person at all. The object is control in some form. If you wanted to turn a person into an automaton on command, into an assassin, whatever, how would you do it? You take a healthy normal person, subject them to various situations, see what makes them break, what makes them strong, record the results. Doesn't mean the experimental subject will be used as a spy, assassin, whatever, just experimental information gathering. It could happen to anyone.

I highly doubt George Bush knows anything about me, or UFOs, or abductees...I doubt there is enough brainpower there to deal with such a situation. I think the government is large, abuse among the powerful is blatant, and any psycho can slip through the cracks and create the proper structure to sustain him/her.

From what I'm reading from the Remote Viewing books I have (If McMoneagle, Buchanan, and Morehouse are to be believed), the intelligence community is pretty paranoid itself, God only knows what's going through their heads. The state of the world as we see it in the news and what "intelligence" (use that term loosely) knows are two entirely different things. Everything is a half truth, and sometimes their half truths slip up and some truth comes out (well, I guess you can't keep track of every lie you tell, especially if you can't remember which portion is lie and which is truth).

Which one, Crim, the one I asked about changing the spin?

Nope, sorry, don't have the money. The electronic equipment I am blessed to have were all gifts.

But on the no chance in hell possiblity I have of getting a fabulous bonus or raise, someone let me know if they work before I spend the money and get myself into further debt.

No, but I once had a book by Denise Linn called "Sacred Space" and she mentioned the use of Neg Ion Generators.

Well, I take it back, I have a water fountain in my living area, water fountains are supposed to be Negative Ion Generators if I am remembering correctly. Does some good, but doesn't quell the attacks as much as I would like.

I'll answer, I have the book and biggest mouth...[}:)]

OK, my copy is 321 pages long. Are you sure you weren't looking at Astral Dynamics? I picked it up in Barnes & Noble (picked it up to look at, don't have the money to buy). Now that is a big book, I'd believe it if it were 500 pages.

Risu no Kairu...

Coolness, you made an awesome leap in logic. Yeah, that's essentially it. It's like creating God in our image instead of asking how God created us in his image.

It's like people want God working for them instead of them working for God. Sorry doesn't work that way.

Now before all my crap happened to me, I had all three of their books, "Prism of Lyra", "Visitors from Within", and "Preparing for Contact".

The books appeared to be pretty good, and were well detailed and organized, explaining different densities, different species, etc. Of course, as always, I also put links like this down and throw out book titles to see if any gossip is combined along with it (criticisms, whatever).  

http://www.lyssaroyal.com/books1.htm

2 minutes after midnight, Happy 2004, Aussies!

Well here we go, the Aussies will be in 2004 in just a few minutes, while the rest of us will still be in 2003 for a while. Tlaking to each other from different years, now if it can happen on this plane, just think about higher planes...sorry, I just couldn't resist, especially with all the different reality arguments. []

New Year should be coming up for all you Aussies and New Zeelanders real soon.

Bright wishes to you in the New Year!

Fuzzi,

I think a little instruction on the difference between time-space and space-time is in order here. That would probably clear up the miscommunication in the last conversation.

No it isn't...and it's about interpretation.

Know the difference between "give and take" and "give and receive."

"Give and Take" is a neg oriented attitude. We operate on Love, which is, we give, and open ourselves to receive from the giving of others. This keeps free will and respect for other intact. There is no take in the word Love, ever. Taking is removing without permission or respect for the needs of other. It is service to self oriented.

For us to grow and create, we need to make compromises with each and cooperate to grow (that's where the respect comes in). We choose the capacity of making choices that benefit, honor, respect, and validate all.

Negs are not interested in compromising with anyone or anything, and I'm getting sick of the Neg generalized boundaries which say, look we really are like you.

Stop looking at the external and start looking at the real mirror within (especially if you want to start understanding karma). Yes boundaries are subjective...you deal with it by measuring it with your heart, not by annihilating all boundaries to rid yourself of unwanted karmic repsonsibility. The only negative with the subjective comes with not recognizing the things which are objective, and the objective is only recognizing someone else's subjectiveness. Getting rid of subjectiveness and treating it like a leprosy is not objectiveness and it's not a display of mental brilliance. It's self and heart annihilation.

Well, if you read Robert's book in a lot of ways they can be at varying levels.

He also talks about dealing with it with the proper attitude, if it's a symptom you can deal with on your own, do it, getting rid of the symtom will get rid of the neg if it's a cheesey, wimpy neg. If you wig out over something minor (not that headaches can't be a serious pain and have consequences...they do, but we have ways of dealing with it, a lot of ways), the chessey, wimpy neg will have all it needs to get you.

Be supportive of your girlfriend, help her out, and if the headaches are medical, doing some of this stuff might take care of it. If you try the medical stuff and it's not working, I'd still find someone who can AP and get a look at her to see if there are any attachments.

Creation from the heart...which is what art really is...that'll make any neg uncomfortable.

Yeah and that will happen, trust me. Unless they're utter winmps, most negs will retaliate in force to keep you, usually during a moment when you can't deal with them appropriately like when your boss is screaming in your face or something.

I'd say keep doing the garlic, and do a combination of things if you can, not just one. Like a germ becoming immune to a drug, some negs can adjust their pain thresh hold. I think it sounds like you can get rid of this, though, with patience and diligence. Just don't panic if things don't happen right away.

Yeah, gotta love the parents thing...

If you can get some essential oil and put it on your third eye or on your crown that could help.

If they get you during sleep, then I guess there's no point in stopping to AP for a while. A lot of people recommend you stop psychic activity until the neg situation is under control or passes because you can open yourself up to additional problems every time you AP, do whatever. Not permanent, just until you get rid of them.

Guides are real but so are impostors, that the problem. You probably got some impostor idiot trying to deceive you. You have to use your senses to figure out which guides are legitimately guides and which are just wannabe idiots or worse, negs impersonating guides.

It's up to you, if you feel fine, try a shot in the dark try. But you should take care of things in the begining so you don't get to the point most of us are at and have them blocking your third eye ability and half a daozen things (they sound of wimpy anyway). You just prefer to take care of situations while there small and in starter stages.

Check out Xelios' post which just came up (Negative Attack) and Risu no Kairu's account of Core image removal (removing neg attachments).