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Funny fact is that when I was conscious from inside a dream I would think of not thinking about my body or going back, or not wanting to go back and would snap back into my physical body.
I start to understand that it has some kind of rule-sets but at the same time it gets in the way sometimes.
Because when I engage from a dream usually I get my memories back, an you know, as soon as I remember of not thinking of my body I snap back.

Thinking of not thinking about your body is still thinking of your body. 

When I become Lucid, I know I am Lucid and I immediately immerse myself in the scenario I am currently in. Even a split second of thinking of the body is enough to end the scenario then and there.

It takes time to develop the balance needed to stay in the LD. Grounding helps exponentially with this, so does complete conscious interaction with the scenario at hand.

 Awesome Enigmatik. You are excelling by leaps and bounds! 

I just wanted to tell you though that there is plenty to explore in the dark. I hear people often say "clarity now". Your expectations at the moment are to experience a "reality" akin to this one. But somewhere along the line that will change when you change your intent to just "experience" period and then sit back and "allow" what's going to happen to happen. That also comes with a change in your "mindset" in general. But you are doing fantastic right now.

Many times I have just floated in the 3D darkness. But soon the darkness disappeared and a new adventure began.

 Thank You Enigmatik! 

I am glad I could help. But just remember it was "you" that did the work. I just gave you a possible foundation and showed you some building blocks.

  Do you usually set a destination as intent?  Could you give me some examples of where or what you are going to do? 

The only intent I use today is "to see what I need to see and experience what I need to experience". I then lie back and "allow" what's going to happen to happen. When I find myself in a new scenario, I begin to explore my new surroundings or circumstance and just play it out with full conscious awareness of my actions. I don't alter a thing there.

Also, once in awhile I will create a simple intent of going to my "Happy Place", Mine is a tranquil Island setting. Once there, I soon find something is anew and the adventure begins. Other times I will use the intent to become a "Invisible Helper" to those that are in need of assistance. No matter who "they" were. That leads to "Soul Retrievals" and other forms of assistance on either a small or large scale as well.

You are doing great Enigmatik. Your "passion" is definitely your driving force! 

There is a ton of different things to learn in the other realms. The first being how to ground yourself there and how to navigate your new surroundings. Soon after that you find that a change in your "mindset", has indeed caused a change in the "realities/other realms you find yourself in. But you have to find that for yourself.

[The signpost DOES NOT read, "Stop what you're doing and focus completely on me!]

The heart thing isn't real too. I've wired myself and it was at 58 beats/min solid.
The breathing issue isn't real too. You ignore it all and you'll progress naturally.

Yes, Szaxx speaks the truth here. I can't tell you how many times I have even experienced a sharp pain in my heart. When I did or do, I just stay the course and ignore it. I know it's only a symptom/signpost of an approaching shift.
Here's a thread that gives you some info on other possible signs that you "may or may not" experience during this practice. Do not expect them to "occur". Don't "look" for them either. If they happen, just passively observe them and stay the course. Like Xanth says above "
The signpost DOES NOT read, "Stop what you're doing and focus completely on me!

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/exit_symptomssignposts-t46206.0.html

 It sounds to me like you were already projecting and thus had "nothing" to leave/separate. You already had.

That "I go a bit scared" comment was all it took to start "spiraling" out of control. When you find yourself in the "other realms", thought = action immediately. So a little bit of fear, aka a molehill, becomes a mountain very quickly.

The best thing to do at first when you find yourself "there" is to just passively observe and take mental notes for now. You can't run before you can walk and that takes time to develop even "there". Just remember, what you see "there" is what you need to at this time in your development.

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 Excellent reply EscapeVelocity! Truly a ***** answer!

Enigmatik, this is what leads to what you have heard of as "Retrievals" and somewhere along the line you find that you are being taught all of these new "skills", so that you can become a "Teacher or Mentor" to others.

You find that every new experience "there', just like here in this physical reality, is meant to teach us something anew. 

The question was about my arms physically moving on their own.. The problem was never addressed in my previous post. The link you gave me didn't have any suggestion for what I should do if my physical arms start moving by themselves.

How do you know it's your "physical arms" and not your "etheric arms" that are moving? That's why I gave you the link to that post. Many times others including myself have had the sensations of movement, be it the arms, legs, chest rising. etc. But even though it felt like it was my physical arms, it wasn't it was my "etheric arms" that were. The feeling is exactly the same and the only way you will know which one it is, is by opening your eyes and looking. Which in turn ends your attempt. Kind of a "Catch 22" there!   

When I get nice and comfy/relaxed when laying on my back, the very first thing that happens to me is my hands go numb. From there the numbness climbs up my hands to about my elbows, then my feet and legs lose feeling. Every now and again my whole arm/leg will lose all feeling. The "numbness" only happens to my extremities and I never lose feeling in my core. Anyway, that's not the problem. The problem is movement once my arms go numb. Whenever this happens to me, my arms seem to try raising on their own. I've gone with this a few times, assuming they were my astral arms. I'll let them raise and eventually they will touch in mid air, only to find out that they're my physical arms (making me look like a damn mummy). They try to move every time this happens and I have to stop them, which messes up my focus. They always try to lift up, never anywhere else. I can't even attempt the rope method because my arms forbid it.

Every so often my arms will go phantom, feeling like they're in a cross position or trying to cover my manhood even tho they're at my sides. I assume those are my astral arms but don't know because I don't look.

Does anyone else ever experience this problem with their arms trying to move on their own? How do you control it without losing focus? Does it actually mean anything in regards to projecting, or is it just an annoyance? Some help/advice would be super duper (yeah, I said super duper).

These are all symptoms/signposts of an approaching exit. I gave you a link to that thread on Exit Symptoms, did you read it?

One question I have for you is "What do you EXPECT to happen here?"  Your experience above shows a exit occurring and yet you come back here and question it again. Stay the course, see the whole thing through.

I think you are pressuring yourself way too much right now. I can tell by the fact that you are attempting to AP 2 or 3 times day right now. Take a break. You are waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy too anxious right now.

i started to hear a voice that would just call my name every now and again usually when i was doing something at first it died down after a couple of years the voice was there every now and again, nothing too strange.. but here lately i felt a presence around me something not human i would look to the door way in the evening bright as it can be around mid day and would see a figure again, it was gone in a blink of an eye....do you have any suggestion

Yes I have a suggestion. Instead of just blindly fearing it, ask it what it wants. Possibly this spirit feels that you may be able to help it with something.

This is the same with Sleep Paralysis. People fear what they don't understand. There is a reason this "entity" is "targeting" you and you need to find out why that is. Possibly it is because you are "open" enough to feel it and it knows that.

Now if it was throwing plates and glasses through the air at you I could understand your fear of it. But it sounds to me that it just wants you to know it's there. In other words it could be your "Guardian Angel" or something like that and now you are getting instructions here from members telling you to "banish" it. That's not going to help anything.

You communicate with it by closing your eyes and meditating on it. Create a intent to be open to it and then listen to what it has to say. You will soon see whether it has "good" intentions or not. Do not fear it. Try to understand it. in other words confront it and explain your wishes.

 Hello again JABuna! 

It sounds to me like your ADHD/Anxiety, whatever you want to call it is getting the best of you. Just RELAX, RELEASE and LET GO. You could actually use those words as a helpful "Mantra" if you wish.

You can't achieve this Art/skill by pressuring yourself. You also have to lose the fear, the expectations, the assumptions, all of that has to go. Just create the right "atmosphere", in this case a strong focus outside of your physical body and "allow" the shift to take place.

I know that sounds easy, but it's not right now for you because you are just new to this practice. Your first conscious shift seems easier then you second. This is because in your second you are now pressuring yourself to achieve it. In your first it normally happens "spontaneously" and you are thinking, wow, what was that.

Like I said, learn how to RELAX, RELEASE and LET GO. Keep a Journal of your progress. Everything new that occurs is known as positive progress.

Your last reply above shows that you are still awaiting physical symptoms, which still says that your focus is still too much physically oriented.

Any suggestions on calming my mind and staying focused on not staying focused?
Anything I seem to be doing wrong or that I should be doing?
Am I getting close?
How do I bring the vibrations/ringing on?
Does any other laying position work? I don't normally sleep on my back so it's a bit weird for me. I have to lay at attention.
Is every part of my body supposed to lose feeling, or just the extremities?

Any advice you have for me would help and be greatly appreciated. I'd like to hear from noobs and vets. I know what works for some doesn't work for others but I want to try everything I can. This is something I've been attempting for quite a while, so frustration is beginning to build.

Hello John and Welcome!

By reading your post above it sounds like you are too focused on "signposts". These are symptoms and occurrences of a approaching conscious shift. We have all experienced and some of us, including myself, still do today.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/exit_symptomssignposts-t46206.0.html

To rectify this you need to learn to focus on something else. This thread will give you some good ideas for that. Allow yourself to become consumed by the scenario you are experiencing. There is no need to "climb out " of anything or physically "exit" your body. Just stay the course and see where it leads.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.0.html

You could also use your own methods like perhaps focus on a favorite hobby. Example shooting a basketball. First see the ball already in your hand and just launch it into the darkness before your eyes. You will soon see that something might just appear. When it does just passively observe it with a air of curiosity. But don't return your focus to your physical body until you are ready to. Even a "sneak peek" back will destroy what you have accomplished and are currently experiencing.

 Hello and Welcome Jenal! 

I think your first experience was a "sneak peek" of what's yet to come. I had my first successful experience after watching a video on "Candle Staring" and applying what I learned from it. While attempting it, not only did I experience vibrations akin to what a "Earthquake" would be like, but also I could swear a Helicopter was going to land on my roof in any second. It scared the "bejesus" out of me, but I couldn't wait to do it again. I was hooked and am still hooked even today.

That's because it's not my forum.  It's Adrian's. 

I wouldn't dream of making such changes without his express consent and support.
I've never really considered to ask him though.  I'm sure he would like the status quo.

Adrian was logged in today when I made my post above, so he did see it too. Who knows, maybe he would consider it.

You'll never convince me that the labels we predominately use are needed beyond the very most basic, rudimentary manner for discussing this stuff.  

...and yet this very Forum here has Sub-Forums which lead to labelling each on of these "modes" of transportation individually.

What do you think would happen if we had a individual titled Sub-Forum here for each one of these "modes" titled/labelled Lucid Dreaming, OBEs and Conscious Shifting (aka Phasing)? Would it be more confusing for members here? Do you think people/members would actually differentiate one from the other? Would it be more productive or less productive in the end?

...or do you think it would be more productive to just have this Forum with one main Sub-Forum titled "Non Ordinary States of Consciousness", which in itself is also a "label" and leave the other Sub-Forums on Paranormal, Religion, Metaphysical, etc. as they are?

Oh, by the way, that is a open question to anyone that wants to voice their opinion on this. This is not directed at you alone Xanth. I wanted to make sure I said that.

Feb. 10,2016-12:35noon....
Its true that when u astral....you will see some people out there its just that when you talk to them, they seem to look drunk coz they dont have theyre conciousness along with them.

It sounds like you have found yourself in what Robert Monroe calls "Focus 22". In that "area, everyone seems to be in a zombie/comatose like state.
https://monroeinstituteuk.org/focus-levels/

Here is another link that introduces Robert and describes his Focus Levels further:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Monroe

I have some doubts as to whether we are being lied to about space because I have heard some new theories lately that seem to have alot of evidence and I'm confused so could anyone just travel there and report? What can be seen, what can't? Is the sun a sphere? Is the moon a sphere? etc.

Have you ever heard of "Ingo Swann"? He was the "Pioneer" of Remote Viewing. One of his "targets" for his Art was the moon. In the video below you will learn what he saw there.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ingo+swann+moon+base&qpvt=ingo+swann+moon+base&view=detail&mid=1C009795BB423DB5A8641C009795BB423DB5A864&FORM=VRDGAR

  I still can't see auras, my astral projection attempts have gotten worse.  By worse I mean lower and fewer vibrations.

I have been doing all these exercises but I just don't seem to be making any progress.

That is progress! You know longer "need" the vibrations, so they aren't there.

Keep doing your exercises. There is a good possibility that you are actually shifting, but aren't aware of it. Test that theory by creating a strong intended destination. Imagine it first, like for instance try your "Happy Place". Then visualize it and once it becomes vivid, join it. If the scene begins to morph away form your intended destination, stay with it. Just passively observe this new area and once again, when the  time is right, merge with it.

At first you will find it hard to stabilize your imagery, but keep at it. Like my "signature" says, "To be successful with Astral Projection/Non Physical Exploration, your will to succeed must be much stronger than your acceptance of failure".

 Oh, by the way Samwise, Thank You for sharing that link with us! 

 The idea that consciousness isn't neatly labeled and the consciousness continuum of the levels of awareness.

True Robert does say that. But I have communicated with him via email a few times now and he says Lucid Dreaming and Astral Projection are two completely different things. So, he does still use "labels". He puts them in 2 completely different categories.

This quote below here is exactly why I believe that "labels" are still needed. True OBEs, LDs and conscious APs are all "non ordinary states of consciousness", but their mode of transportation still differentiates them into different groupings per say.

"Similarly, when you read a self-report on a lucid dreaming forum of someone falling asleep, who begins to feel humming or buzzing and energy around the body, possibly sees wispy arms composed of silver looking light, and then floats above the bed consciously aware, then please ask yourself, "does this meet the definition of a lucid dream? Did this person realise within a dream that he or she was dreaming?". If not, the experience simply fails to meet the definition of a lucid dream, just as having a heart attack on the operating table and floating up to the ceiling fails to meet the definition of a lucid dream."
Robert Waggoner

 I enjoy Binaural Beats and Isochronic Tones and use them often. I use them for just kind of relaxing and I use them for conscious AP attempts. Sometimes I focus on my 3 eye at the time. It really depends on how I feel at the time. I use a multitude of exercises and techniques. My goal was to learn how to shift using a number of different techniques. My hope is that my personal experimenting will help someone else down the line.

I don't like "monotone" beats though. My chosen beats are ones that are accompanied by music, like those from Paul Collier, DJ Vishnu and Kelly Howell (Brain Sync). Those Artists can be found with a simple Youtube search. I also really enjoy "Shamanic Drumming" soundtracks as well. All of these are a fantastic way to "entrain" your brain.

In the end though the use of these are just known as tools or "training wheels". As Xanth said "you don't just sit down, hit the "on" button and are magically transported" , you still have to do the work. All they do is help you set the mood per say. I thoroughly enjoy them and I don't "have" to use them. I still use them because I do enjoy using them. They are extremely relaxing.

I have several times tried laying down relaxing, for more than an hour, thinking of nothing/a single specific thing, trying to empty my mind.
The problem is i never reach the vibration state.

Hello Rusty. First off, what you want to achieve is "losing" focus on your physical body. Awaiting vibrations is the opposite of that. You don't "need" to have vibrations to AP. Vibrations are only a "signpost", but not all people experience them.

Now before all this, I actually had a more successful experience.
I had just been sleeping, and I put some music in my ears, and sat down just to meditate, trying to find inner peace, relaxation and pure happiness.
I never intended to Astral Project, I just felt like meditating.
A few days before this I watched a video, where they talked about counting down from a 100, focusing on your breath -
Which I then did, and the moment i hit 0, my head started vibrating, and making "radio frequency-like" noises.
Because I never actually intended this, I accidentally opened my eyes and broke the vibration.
After that day, I have had countless of tries, to reach the same state again, but i with no success.
I thought a lot about the differences between that day, and my other tries and came to the conclusions that I:

- Had no expectations
- I felt sleepy
- Didn't try hard to Astral Project
- I sat up meditating instead of laying down

Return back to this. If you had positive results, don't change anything. I have some exercise in my "Doorway" thread that will keep your mind off of your physical body. You can try them as is, then develop a way that is comfortable personally for yourself. Use them only as a "guideline". Once the scene begins to change, stay with it and "allow" it morph while you passively observe it with a air of curiosity. Then write down your results in your Astral log. There are some other links in my thread that will lead to other exercises as well.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.0.html

Now, trying to do the same things, i have still not been lucky. I just can't reach the vibrational state again.
I really need some outside help, some suggestions from someone who have had the same problems as I.
Another question I had on mind is, how do I stop myself from swallowing? Many guides say I may not move a muscle, but I can't stop to swallow, damn.

Once again, vibrations aren't important. I had the swallowing issue as well. I fixed it by doing 2 things. First was attempting my AP session while sitting up in a chair instead of lying down. The second way was losing my focus on my physical body completely. When I did that I wasn't focused on my breathing, saliva, swallowing or anything like that. It's easier said than done though. But persistent practice will help you conquer all. 

Many times on these forums I hear about how beliefs can hold you back from AP or anything in general.  My question to you is have you ever seriously and vigorously pinpointed these beliefs and made some change?  How did you do it?  And was there an effective outcome?  My experience was a fear inventory a long time ago.  I did it with a friend.  It was effective but I think that I want to take a more thorough inventory and see if I can evoke more change.  I would really like to hear about your experiences!  Thanks.

The changes came by being open to new revelations that I was experiencing first hand. Just by being "aware" here in the physical and the "other realms" you find yourself in, you can weed out what feels right and what doesn't.

Fears have to be confronted head on though. That's the only way you will get through them. I saved this link a while ago just for when a member here would make a post as of yours. It seems fitting here.
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/8-military-tested-tricks-conquer-232315100/spend-tons-of-time-preparing-1444086992834.html

Hello Lumaza!
I ve read the link you sent me but i still have some questions;
Muscles' paralysis is normal for AP?? this is a stage that most peaple stuck  and cant do AP?
And that  is to say that i have to let my self  free and my mind open to get out of my body?
And the spirits i see? They wont harm me?

Muscle paralysis is your brains way of keeping you safe while you sleep and Dream. Otherwise you would be flailing all over the place acting out the actions that you are experiencing in your Dreams.

Most people get stuck at that stage because their fears take over and makes them lose the state that they are currently in.

You can just passively observe it and see what happens or like many do here, passively observe it until you feel it's right to start attempting to exit your body. I never put any effort into climbing out of the body. I just observe what's happening and soon I find myself "out" and on some adventure. SP doesn't happen for me all the time though,  being aware of it that is. For me it's about 3 or 4 times a month now that I awaken in that state. I prefer a simple shift in consciousness from a totally awakened state. This is known as Phasing. More is said about that here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_the_astral_faq/what_is_phasing_and_how_can_i_do_it-t17413.0.html

No, the spirits won't harm you. Offer them a "peace treaty". A cookie usually does the job. You are finding yourself in a area where thought = action instantaneously. So, you must learn to "control" your those thoughts.

I hope this all helps you. Fear is the first thing that "everyone" that APs has to learn to overcome. You overcome it from confronting it head on and understanding, the knowledge of why it's there.

Thanks for the info. It's really hard to break away from something that has been ingrained into your head your entire life. Especially when you've had supernatural experiences to what you think is backing your belief system up. The more I study the more I understand what you guys are talking about. The thing that I have a hard time with is the evil spirits. I've seen unexplainable things and most people deem them unreal. I guess it would make sense to only hear the Christian side to it since that has been my only influence. I'm slowly breaking out of the mind control manipulation of things.

The only way a person will ever change their mindset completely is when they experience it for themselves. Studying it can help you get other opinions, because the person that is writing is only showing you what "they" have perceived themselves to be true. Many times though they are just "rehashing" what someone else has said as well. Religion in general is well known for that.

The same goes with Astral Projection. You can read, listen to videos, etc. all you want, but experiencing it for yourself will give you the "proof" and answers you are searching for.