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it does not matter what position, clothing, temp, location, food, blanket you use.. one still can project..

i just recently finished up a three year study and found theonly thing that matters is the amount of sleep, specific days of the week, and the morning hours of the OBE to occur.

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Explorer,

Been projecting 20+ years straight and honestly, it all comes down to how one approaches the OBE. Matter fact anything in life... good or bad intent. If you wish to learn, teach and help others with postive effect then you are on the right path.. But if it is to hurt, harm, gain some old ancient hidden powers and use it against others.. - the answer is pretty straight forward.

It is all based on intent! People that theorize about the OBE and never experienced it have limnited understanding. Not to knock them but you can't judge until you experience it and how you approach it with intent. It is like your first kiss... can you theorize tosomeone what it will be like? No... not until you are in the experiene with the intent that drove you tothat moment...

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Tvos

Hey Snergy,

Been awhile.. nice to see that you are back posting!

To answer your question, think about it as dialing a radio station and connecting with that frequency. Once you able to tune into the frequency you are connected and can do what ever you desire to carry out. I do think that the spirit body  do reside outside the physical. just a matter of making that connection to that frequency.

I have video tapped myself during the OBE many times and you can see on the expression while upon awaking like I am in a trance state, snapping out of it and immediately awakening. Different then a typical dream and awakining.

Tvos

ACDC, Metallica, Rush, Marilyn Manson to name a few..

tvos

Ok I think OBE's are all in the mind and its nothing more than delving into ones no mind.

Has ANYONE had any REAL evidence of viewing the so called "realtimeZone" and seeing things they could confirm later? has anyone had there friend write something down in the other room which you could go see and correctly confirm?

SkepticBoy,

It is good that you are challenging this and I expect you to go on doing so. However, to *truely* know if it is all B.S. or not, you have to apply the energy to prove otherwise for yourself. Simply having a lucid dream, wide awake OBE a couple of times does not do justice. Experience the OBE 2,000 plus,research, work, educate yourself and investigate. You will arrive to your own conclusions.

I am not one to boast, but I have been in this since 1987 and punched the clock and have had validations physical correations. Captured on video, documented, statistica tracking and so fourth. I can preach to the choir about validations but at the end of the day, it all comes down to you.

You are welcome'd to my web site: www.invisiblelight.us for your review.

I will also be doing another radio show in December which will discuss validations, differences between dreams and obe's. Look at the News section for upcoming events. You are also welcome'd to download the past radio shows too for listening.

Thank You,

Tvos

I am the opposite after projecting for 10-15mins and returning.. It's like giving me million dollars when I return... Energy is flowing, adrenalene, blood, spirit...

interesting experience... and good job!

tvos

My question is:once fully trained, can you achieve a projection every time you want it?
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Ariel,

Been at this since 1987 and I am a experienced proficient weekly projector w/o fail. You have to give EVERYTHING to succeed. Just like anything else in life - if you want success there's ALOT of work behind it.. All is related to trial and error, documenting, journals, testing, giving of yourself back to the community, research, study etc. You get the idea.. The OBE does not end at just projecting having a good time... it is a lifetime commitment period!

tvos

if you question if it is your bed that is vibrating, then video tape yourself while
you fall asleep. if you can pull the obe out of the hat and capture it to video then
you will see that it's the spiritual body.. the physical body does show some slight
interactions during the obe but it is subtle.

how do I know? -- because I have recorded my self over 10 times.. my latest experiment
that I recorded with three video cams, stethscope recording heart/breathing and
body/room temp....  its all on tape folks...

right now i am working on the video editing.... hopefully i should have this mini-documentay before2007 completed.

tvos

[also discussed with a doctor who is a PROFESSIONAL!]

Friends,

When I first started projecting back in 1987, I thought that the use of drugs would assist or enable success. To some degree it did but for the most part I realized a lot of it was a mental crutch. Now, I am not saying that taking these drugs should be forbidden, but explorerd in a healthy manner of experimentation and also discussed with a doctor who is a PROFESSIONAL!

I am glad that and am incredibly lucky that I can pull a OBE out of the hat weekly. With that statement, its nice to achieve this with a iron will then a drug.

Eveyone can project! It is just a matter if you want to succeed!

Food for thought!

Tvos

Friends,

This is a good discussion about "evidence" of the after-life - not easy to measure in terms of a science when it comes to chasing validations.

I have done many experiments, some controlled and not which have yieled results. But a lot of results came to me by 'opening up and accident'. Not being weighed down "prove it to me" attitude. I have documented coincedences, sycroniticies, validation in the last three years and broken this down to these categories:

Classification Type       Sub-Total

Year 2005-2008   

Validation       27
Synchronicity       15
Coincidence       19
   
Total   61


Does any of these numbers mean anything to you? "No". Taking the time to document "Everything" with the study of OBE from food, sleep, experiences, journals, you name it helps achieve personal validation.

I have been out thousands of times and each experiences is static, environment, common re-occurrences of certain events, tests, methods, practice..

This is difficult for science to control and test but for the person who is keeping a "open mind" but also "logical mind" not accepting the first experiment "as proof" will go farther then just skeptic lack of oxygen hullincinations brought up by stress, the god spot temporal lobe of the brain.

Folks, there's a LOT behind the OBE then changing the channels and wanting instant success. There is a wizard behind the curtain and each tongue calls it "God".

Tvos

if you get the chance, watch the movie.. although the book is better it definitely has a enhanced feeling to it.

tvos

Universal traveler,

Think of a etheric projection like a false awakening: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_awakening very close to the physical world. As you move farther away from the etheric, you transcend into the spiritual levels of a astral projection.

It is interpretation based on the projectionist and how they experience this. There is no right or wrong just different approaches to explanation based on personal experience of how one wants to call it. Simply stated, I just call it OBE.

Many times when I am working on a experiment (OBE) and that I feel my awareness, consciousness waning I'll shake my head left/right, laugh, move my body, look at and away from objects and even with a iron will auto-sugguest to push forward and remain in that state. What ever gets the job done to remain in that level - 

Tvos

The point in saying things that way is for the INTENT of the command to become clear. Intent is very important for a controlled projection, and that was the method that worked for him.

I just discussed on "Intent" on one of the latest radio show I did last night. W/O intent, you will just aimlessly wonder about and will not have the drive to push or forge ahead. I agree with the author and validate this! Lets just say, intent gives you the fire under your &(*( to get the job done!

Tvos

welcome back oilfield..

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it's good to focus on vibrations and learning about how to anchor into that state of awareness.

first time I projected, didn't even know what the vibrations were and didn't experience them until months later. what caught me off guard was "intent, goal, objective" of projecting. it was all because of a book that I wanted to read so badly, but I need the rest. still resting on my mind was the desire to read the book.

everyone is different when it comes to projecting - if it is easier through dreams, false awakenings, or mind/awake body sleep methods.. all of them are right - just a matter of
placing value on intent and goals. simplistic and realistic for starting out!

been at this for over twenty years now, i still have short lived OBES or it never ends. doesn't matter if your a professional or beginner - it all comes down to sharing the experiences, data, and validating the consistencies which to sum it up from research = goals get you out, not just vibrations!

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Bondgirl,

I have seen myself many times, also have had the opportunity to sit next to myself and touch my face, shoulders, chest, knees. During this experiment, I had a dual feeling sensation of both at the same time happening. This is what I have noticed while OBE, you can split your perspective and waver between the two bodies - physical and spiritual. Robert Bruce talks about this as well.

Next time you are out, focus before hand seeing yourself in a mirror for the longest time permitted. Now, that is some real interesting experiment. Nothing weird, scarry, ulgy - but the consciousness, awareness level rises so high - the feeling is like your a hundred miles away from home but your present.

Tvos

When dreaming, there is Rapid Eye Movement (REM). In scientific studies of OBE, there is no recorded REM because the mind is awake and it's the body that is asleep.

Jub Jub,

Been awhile... Hope all is well these days with family, friends and OBEs!

Where did you see this study/research about monitoring the OBE and it not being recorded.

Please advise.

Tvos

I would explain that the IBE is created by the senses, and that the OBE is every bit as natural as far as consciousness is concerned.

I think you meant "OBE" instead of "IBE" correct?

Anyways, as I stated in my post - the OBE / NDE go farther then just "senses" that are created by our bodies. This is the one thing that when people who guess, offer their oppinnions based on text book theories, the wrong conclusions are drawn. There is so much that science, medicine do not understand, even where consciousness begins or ends. Not saying that having the OBE weekly on a consistent yearly basis can touch explanation either.. there is something greater behind the curtain and the wizard is called "God" but interepreted differently by culture/race/faith.

To really understand the OBE, I strongly suggust one hook themshelves up to a microscope, video camera, ekg machine and see how the equiptment doesn't measure this. I have done everything except the ekg machine and noticed no difference in physical / audio changes in heart rate or breathing.

tvos

[What are your thoughts about skeptics and their views?]

Venus,

I will offer my .2 on the matter since I have been at this for sometime now..

The question your friend asks "is it a dream or is it real?". These questions are asked by every single human being here on earth, no one is different and we are all in the same boat of arriving at our own validation.

I have taken a FAQ from my web-site and will include this for you to review and communicate back to your friend.

This faq will be based on a skeptical view, validation, and comparison between dream and obe.
Please consider that this is not the final word, or can even come close to the research, work, time, patience, and experience involved to theorize. One just has to educate themselves and experience the OBE in it's truest, rawest nature.

Enjoy, and hope this helps!

Tvos


• What are your thoughts about skeptics and their views?

I totally respect the views of skeptics—trying to prove that the out-of-body experience is false memories, hallucinatory, and generated in the brain. It's always good to be objective towards this field of study. However, we should keep an open mind and not be quick to judge either.

What motivates a person to be passionate about ones work, research, study, and helping the community through spirituality, shouldn't be judged. The skeptic is all about judgment, negativity, and proving the person's ability false when it's based on personal experience.  I do agree that, if there is a false spiritualist who is taking advantage of people and their hard earned money, that individual should be exposed as fraud.  But one should not capitalize on one moment where the spiritualist was inaccurate with information or personal experience.

This is an area that is based on personal experience for each and every one of us. I, personally, can document, narrate and validate all of my experiences and 'preach to the choir', but it comes down to the one person: you—actually taking the initiative to experience the OBE.  If the medical or scientific community can't explain the out-of-body or near- death experience, but can only 'attempt' to theorize, how can the skeptic even begin?  Here are a few examples of the NDE/OBE to seriously think about:

Example 1: How do you explain the near-death experience of Pam Reynolds?  During an operation to remove a tumor, she was able to accurately describe external events while she was in an out-of-body state. During her operation, Pam had no brain wave activity or other vital signs for over an hour.

Example 2: How do you explain a woman, who has been blind since birth, who has a near-death experience and is able to see?  Not only is she able to view her body, she can see shapes, size, color, light, darkness, faces, and is also able to give accurate testimony that provides validation.

You can view the PDF files of Pam Reynolds and Vicky Noratuk in the APFaqs folder.

The skeptics do not have the multitude of OBEs, validations, static consistency of coincidence or synchronicities, and precognitive experiences. I've firsthand experience and taken the time to educate myself about faith, spirituality and world religions. How can you claim that this is all generated in the brain when you have never had a full wide awaked induced out-of-body or near-death experience?

Statistically speaking, the majority of religious and spiritual belief systems throughout the world are based on the faith and conviction that there is a spiritual rebirth after physical death. If the majority of the world believes in a divine creator—by whatever name one may call it—what credibility does the skeptic have in this? Why would I want to listen to a skeptic speaking in negative denials when I can be open, enhance my life, learn to love others and help the global community?


• Does the OBE prove that there is life after death?
Personally, I'd say yes! For the person who has taken the time, gone through the process to validate, has had field experience, and has faith in God, there is no question. It's plain and simple; go the distance and do the work!

• How can you tell an OBE from a lucid dream?
One can tell by the level of awareness, the mechanics of the exit during the projection, validation, precognitive experience, etc.  The OBE state reality is static and not dynamic.  There's a sparkle, magical, beauty to the astral world during the OBE.  The memory is clear as to specific details—being able to recall the beginning, middle and end points of the experience that last for years. This also provides a clear distinction between an OBE and hallucinations, which fade quickly over time and which are not clear and coherent as an OBE is.
   
Being witness to seeing your physical body, while in the OBE state, is a good sign. Another key factor is the amount of time to enter the trance state and have the OBE.  On record, I've been able to enter the trance state within 15-30 minutes and then project.  In REM sleep, dreaming begins in sleep cycle 4 and 5—about 1.5 hours after the body has been asleep.

In a few OBEs, I noticed that at the time I was completely alert, conscious, and aware. I started to *daydream* which caught flight and when I momentarily snapped out of that daydream, I still found myself in the same environment,time,space etc. So I tested indepth daydreaming during the OBE and found it just like physical day dream. One moment you can be in a conversation with a friend via phone, and a few seconds later day dreaming of a vacation in the cayman islands but still in the conversation. The principle still remains on the other-side while in the OBE.

I was born in 1967, which reads "Been at this since 1987" - didn't say I was born in 1987..

Anyways, read my post "Why can't I Project" at:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/why_cant_i_project_a_experienced_perspecitive-t28110.0.html

This will give you a deeper look into how, where, when, why about pursuing the OBE.

Good Luck,

Tvos

I just updated the main post and made it a sticky!

This will give more information as a break-down to "why I can't project".

Many people think that once they are able to project, it's all smooth sailing....

I remember back in the day when I first started.. trying to reach perfection, on the fly at-will projecting... 20 some years later, still working at it... - never stops!

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[For those who question "Why Can't I Project"?]

Author: David A. Warner
Copyright: 07.21.2008
www.invisiblelight.us

For those who question "Why Can't I Project"?

Pulled this from the book "InvisibleLight" that I am working on...

Chapter 6 - Trial By Error

Why I am so successful at projecting is a mystery to me while other's work equally hard? Is it really hard to pinpoint why I'm able to project weekly, maybe it's because of passion, devotion, hard work and organization. It's possible that when growing up I was diagnosed with being hyper active and having a learning disability. Could it have been my interest in the rock band Kiss, or having a imaginary companion dog named "Leroy Brown". When I was five years old attending kindergarten school my teacher Mrs. Bailey noticed unusual behavior in me which lead my parents to have tests done on me. Hyperactive with a learning disability.

I started to think about this from many discussions and radio shows I have been interviewing with lately. "Why, Can't I Project"?

There are a lot of variables to consider:

Amount of Sleep
Exercise
Tracking Statistics
Intent & Objective, Goal Setting
Passion, Patience, Perseverance
Communicating Daily
Research, Discussion, Learning
Trial by Error

You have to look at projecting as if you are training for the Olympics everyday and show up! There are no short-cuts, competition, or fast food  drive thru, or thinking that you will arrive at perfection.

I am not trying to boast, but I can pull a OBE out of the hat almost every week w/o fail. Project 5-10 times per month and have experiences thousands of OBEs. Does this make me any better than the next person "No" – just thanking God for giving me this gift and being able to share.

From 2005 - 2008, I gave my time to track statistically by creating a excel spreadsheet based on the following catagories. I wanted to complete this three year study so that I can compare the days,months,years for analasys.


Food & Sleep Statistics

Food

What I found valuable to this research is food didn't matter if I projected or not. No starbucks frapacino or heinken beer made no difference in reaching enlightment, Well, maybe.. Meats, veggies, fruit, different ethenic meals again had no effect on projecting.

Sleep

This area of tracking is vital and has proven variable to success. Each sleep cycle I would track, researching if the amount of sleep mattered in achieving successful OBE. Yes, it does and here is the breakdown based on the hours of sleep needed the day before the OBE. As you see below, between 7hrs - 8hrs of sleep was recorded showing success rate at projecting. So now, I am able to see a better picture of the hours of sleep needed personally for me in yielding the OBE.

1 hour   0
2 hours   0
3 hours   1
4 hours   6
5 hours   7
6 hours   23
7 hours   50
8 hours   65
9 hours   27
10 hours   16
11 hours   3
12 hours   2


Projection Statistics

This is definitely the gold mine of tracking for determing the best days to project and times.

In this three year study 2005 - 2008, I have projected 352 times, broken down to four categories

Three Year Stats
Misc: 32
Dream to OBE: 112
False Awakening: 68
Conscious OBE: 140

I know now that my favorite technique in projecting is Conscious OBE or (Mind Awake, Body Asleep) method. Second, is Dream to OBE (Projecting from the dream into the OBE). False awakening (most FA's are from my return back from the Conscious OBE) and the fourth is Misc Experience (attempts within the dream in projecting).

This is the ticket for developing and focusing my energy on Conscious Projecting then subscribing to other methods, practices, etc. This is not to say the other methods are wrong, everyone is right for that person to tune to and craft to success. It just so happens that I am a conscious projector and found out by error!

Now, the next breakdown is based on Day and Times of the when the OBE occurs:

Weekday Stats

Sunday   35
Monday   41
Tuesday   30
Wednesday  25
Thursday   24
Friday   42
Saturday   23

As you can see, Monday, Friday, and Sunday are my best days for projecting. Each time that I would project on a specific day, I would record that the OBE occurred. Later on, adding to that number specific to that day when the OBE occurred.


Now, the times that I project has yielded excellent results in determining when these OBEs occur.
As you can see by the times listed below that between 9:00AM - 11:59AM is my range for when
the setting is right for me to project. Since I work nights and normally don't goto bed until 2/3AM
the schedule shows 6-7hrs of sleep is needed before my OBE. If I was to work the morning shift,
the numbers would shift. The importance here that I will STRESS is the amount of sleep the
day before and leading up to the OBE. Projecting when you are going to bed for most people will
skip and go straight into rem unconscious sleep. So if you get the sleep needed, wake up a little
earlier to practice your favorite method, you will find results.


Time Stats

Time                        OBE
12:00 AM - 12:59 AM     1
1:00 AM - 1:59 AM           1
2:00 AM - 2:59 AM           7
3:00 AM - 3:59 AM           13
4:00 AM - 4:59 AM           6
5:00 AM - 5:59 AM           6
6:00 AM - 6:59 AM           11
7:00 AM - 7:59 AM           11
8:00 AM - 8:59 AM           26
9:00 AM - 9:59 AM           39
10:00 AM - 10:59 AM     40
11:00 AM - 11:59 AM     38
   
Total   199
   
Afternoon   
12:00 PM - 12:59 PM     30
1:00 PM - 1:59 PM        14
2:00 PM - 2:59 PM           5
3:00 PM - 3:59 PM           0
4:00 PM - 4:59 PM           3
5:00 PM - 5:59 PM           0
6:00 PM - 6:59 PM           0
7:00 PM - 7:59 PM           2
8:00 PM - 8:59 PM           2
9:00 PM - 9:59 PM           0
10:00 PM - 10:59 PM      0
11:00 PM - 11:59 PM      0


Validation Statistics

This part REALLY helped me out in the last three years of this research. From many discussions that I adhere to "show me, prove to me, how do you know it's real or not in your head - where is your proof"?.

From 2005 - 2008 I have conducted experiements, precognitive, coincedence, validations in the OBE. What I really enjoy about this section. Once you start having these experiences where you can match up to physical correlation there is no way to deny the legitimacy. What I can say about this firmly is "Yes, it is real and there is a wizard behind the curtain that we all call God in our native tongue's".

Not taking the time to track this data and breaking it up as validation, synchronicity, or coincidence is like throwing stones into the water, watching them sink. Or if you have a OBE which a validation occurs w/o testing or repeating, you or other people might think of it as "wishful thinking of projecting". But once you start seriously tracking, there will be no more of that wishful thinking. Can you prove this to the world? "No", but if you do the work yourself, take the time, and be fair as a reseacher/scientist and be honest with your record keeping, the only person you need to convience is "you". We all learn from experience, book reading theory is fine, but to really grab hold and understand, its living the experience vs. measuring it with closed mind.

In the three years, I have tracked 61 occurances that have validated the OBE:

Classification Type   Sub-Total
   
Validation   27
Synchronicity   15
Coincidence   19
   
Total   61


Real Life Example of Tracking

My last angelic encounter took place back in 2007 and been trying to make contact in many prior expereinces. Most of the experiences were short-lived but still I persisted at it. Just last week 07/2008 I was in a OBE where people were around me, we were out in a field by building on-looking trees surrounded by a neighborhood of houses. What caught my attention was a translucent, whispy greenish energy spanning a good 1/4mile. I looked towards the people I was with and asked "do I fly into this energy"?. 

The OBE "07-09-2008 - Jack.mp3" that was a angelic encounter was very interesting.

During the OBE, I saw a angel materialize from a green energy radating in the distance above treetops. The angel's mission was to deliever a baby to a woman who I was interacting with in this group.

When the angel was close, I decided to take flight into the air and grab hold of her asking "take me with you". The angel turned to me and said "Jack, I don't have time, I have many things to do and do not have time". The angel then shook me off her and I fell to the ground blacking out and physical conscious awakening I returned.

Days later, 07/11/2008 I was picking up my VW Beetle car from the dealer. As I was waiting for my car a salesmen passed me by with his phone sounding ringtone "Hit the Road Jack and Don't Come Back No More, No More". I instantly froze on the spot questioning "what are the odds" of this ringtone being a favorite among cell phone users and the coincendence to my experience with the angel telling me to hit the road Jack.

Now, if this experience was the first OBE / Validation I could easily dismiss this as coincendence, but in the last three years now this occurrs all the time. So now, do you see the separation of "wishful thinking" vs. tracking the coincedences that stem from the OBE!


Energy Exercise Statistics and Exercise Statistics

Honestly I have not pursued faithfully. Do I think they are important "yes", especially the exercise. Our bodies need the exercise, healthy life.  Energy work for me I am sure that it does help in the long run but I have not been avid about it then I should be.


The bottom line is trial and error, sticking with one technique for at least six months. If it does not yield results, move onto the next technique and repeat the same process. I am very lucky to find trance state (between awake/sleep) early in the game and able to tune. But remember, it has taken me years to *try* to perfect.

It doesn't matter if your novice or expert at projecting - you will have the good and bad days, just like everyone else (author, writer, musician, speaker) for pursuing OBE.

Personally for me, this was well worth the effort and energy to put together for seeing a clearer picture of how I can project and be successful at it. Now, I don't know if this will help the next person, because we are all different. If anything , I stress to track the dates,time,sleep, validations, and be consistent at it. Also, document or narrate to audio your experiences as well to review and see progress.


Good Luck and see you on the other-side!

Tvos

beyobizzle,

Don't worry about projecting.. Been at this since 1987... faithfully and able to pull the OBE out of the hat every week... still around and alive.

tvos

www.invisiblelight.us

Hi I was wondering if this was true or not. If your physical body gets touched during astral projection  you will die.

I got this information from Franz Bardon's Initiation into Hermetics.

If I could get a few verifications weather this is true or not that would be helpful thanks.

I actually studied a little of Franz back 20yrs ago, a lot of the materia was interesting, too esoteric and very complex. Had real fun dunking my head in water for "clear seeing"...

To answer your question, no you will not die if your out-of-body and the physical body is touched. I have had my wife hold me while OBE during the night, no problems. I even had my scottish terrier dog "Leroy Brown" for experimentation on the bed while video recording myself during the OBE - no problems there.

Tvos

Don,

Good Job and Thank You for keeping up posted on these courses.

Tvos