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Hi all

This discussion would have fit in nicely in Cainams "Do you believe in God/creator?"

Cainam & Frank, I don't think anyone was saying that we don't want to hear from PW at all. Just that we would prefer to hear an individual contemporary interpretation or view on a subject & not a copy & paste of religous text which means little to a lot of us.

I've seen most of these philosophers ideas on the big questions in life & while I find myself agreeing to nearly all those logical proofs, it still doesn't change anything. Nothing has been solved by those guys paraphrasing each other over the centuries. In the year 2002 we are still asking the same questions as thousands of years ago & nothing has come of it, just speculation.

The Bottom Line
The gospel of Jesus Christ is rational. Indeed, when looked at logically, it becomes inevitable."

Didn't know there was a gospel of Jesus, maybe they should have included that one in the bible?hehe

It is obvious that most of us in here DO believe there is a higher something & that these things we are using to walk, talk & write with are just temporary vehicles & that the real us, the non physical double or the soul if you will, goes on. It's just that our interpretations on who is at the end of the line are different.

PW, this is a free & open forum & I definately respect your right to say & believe whatever you wish, your thoughts are most appreciated.

Good journeys all

Mobius

Hi Cylentpanthur

I think all of us in here have that trouble of not being able to seriously discuss this issue of death, religion & the existence of God/s. Either we are all half smart for coming here & asking questions or participating in discussions, or we are a bunch of odd balls for daring to acknowledge that one day we will DEFINATELY die & wanting to know more than that, I prefer to think of option one.

IMO, therein lies the question that has spawned a multitude of religions, cults & cultures & even this site. If we definately die, well, what are we exactly? What were we before we are now? If there is nothing after our physical form ceases to be, why has there been so many reports of ghosts, apparitions, visions, voices & a mind continueing to exist after death for as long as written records go back?

Something has obviously existed for as long as human memory exists to question this or to believe there is more to us than these physical bodies we are in, as we know religions & worship of the cosmos etc has existed for as long as intelligent man has. If absolutely nothing had happened after each person had died through the centuries & no visions or phenomena occured, we would not have the many different bibles & religions we have today.

So how did all these various cultures operating independantly of each other, all come up with similar themes of a soul & life after death & various Gods?

I grew up in a christian/catholic family & went to catholic schools most of my school years. I saw the hypocracies & double standards of the system & realised that either there isn't a God, as his/her/it's laws are fairly easy to break, or that these people & I were there to uphold an image of how I/we/they wanted others to see me/us as. Regardless of how I/ we/they behaved when out of view of our religous peers.

After leaving religion behind, I decided to read as many different bibles from as many different religions as I could. After wading my way through multiple religions, I discovered that they all said very much the same things about interacting peacefully with other people & getting along. They just pointed out however, that it is because of THEIR prophet, savouir, saint, God etc. that this is so or you will be better off acknowledging THIS God.

I'm not against religions, I just think all the good things you are supposed to do & say should be done/ said to those closest to you first & prove that you are living this way of life or having this belief. Then you can go out & show/tell people how good you are, & it will be the truth & not an image for the sake of being considered a peaceful or good person, when in reality, you are using that image as a deceptive front, to hide from others your true nature.

With the advent of the internet & the absence of information destroying wars, the amount of information & the ease of access has meant more & more people are chasing up the sources of their various religions they are part of, & most don't like what they find.

People are starting to look for the answers without the religous speils attached, & so we find ourselves on sites like this one. A melting pot for independant ideas & theories, not just one. Regardless of all of our backgrounds, beliefs & religions, we all have this site in common, I think that's great.

Good journeys all

Mobius

Hi all

Thanks James for wording that a little more tactfully & diplomatically than I. What you wrote is closer to what I was thinking, but somehow I sounded (to me) a little too aggressive, which was not my intention.

PW, I'm sorry, you are right, this IS only chat . Like James, I would much prefer to see YOUR own opinion on a particular matter. I know that sometimes it's impractical to paraphrase a book excerpt & it's easier to just post it & let people read.

I don't enjoy having a go at people I like, so thanks PW for not taking it badly. Choosing to skip the thread entirely is what I should have done, like you said, but unfortunately, it's not in my nature. "We look to Buddha" would have drawn the same reaction, I can't help myself.

Good journeys all

Mobius

G,day Pod3

You are right, a projection of energy will do the same for free. I believe though, that we are non physical beings having a physical experience in a human body. We still have our non physical selves to gather information & experiences, but we need new experiences & have to learn lessons in the physical body we are in right now to totally experience it. A bit like saying I have seen the pyramids on t.v & through projections, but my physical body has never experienced the actual feeling of being there.

I see the same thing with crystals. I COULD just read about them & try & duplicate some of their abilities, but I feel it is important for the body I am in to physically experience it & learn lessons.

Good journeys all

Mobius

Hi PW

Why must you periodically enter these "We look to Christ" or "The lord is my light" sort of threads? As far as I know, this is a neutral site/forum & you are right we should respect others religous beliefs, which I'd say most of us do. However have you seen the Buddhists, Hindu's, Taoists, Satanists or whoever in here putting up their religous dogma & calling the thread "We" look to "Buddha" or "Allah" or "Vishnu"? Who is "we"?, shouldn't you have said "I", or that the people you copied text off are the "We".

Christianity is the most well known for it's total disregard for others beliefs & cultures & have killed millions for not believing what they believe. I never see Buddhists etc. coming to my door or posting dogmatic threads on this forum, blindly saying they "know" Buddha or God, when in fact they literally have never met or seen these people, & rely on their religous text that has about as much truth in it as Harry Potter.

Considering the bible was written by the conquering & occupying Romans hundreds of years after the characters of the bible had died, to me doesn't represent an accurate account of what Jesus was trying to acheive. Almost like America of today conquering Afghanistan, then writing a bible 300 years later to say how good Osama Bin Laden was & making money off him, when I'm sure he wasn't/isn't their best buddy.

Do people come onto your bible forums & say "We look towards the Astral"? You say that you think it is only fair to accept others religions & not dis them for it, but you keep posting these religous threads & pretend to speak for more than yourself. This thread I find is equal to bible bashers turning up to my door to convince me of THEIR beliefs! If you are so excited about your religion, why do you need to push it on others? Surely if it was so good, they would see that for themselves & approach YOU. Anything else, is you trying to force your beliefs on others.................that is not freedom, or autonomy or respect for others right to choose for themselves.

Imagine if I turned up on your LDS site & said "We look to the astral" & after people who are expecting to see something relating to the forum they are on turn and have a go at me, I then say "hey, I'm not being negative or dissin anybody in here, why do you do it to me"?...................well, what did you expect? If it was written in a manner that suggested this is how things are for YOU & not WE, it might have been better received.

90% of the material you write PW is great & I have no problem with, but no-one else in here feels as though it is necessary to push their religous beliefs on others, so why do you?

Mobius

G,day m8

"Does this mean i should know what a crystals properties and powers are before i buy one"............................Yes, it does help, but at the same time you can seek out a crystal without knowing the one you are after to begin with as well. Choosing a crystal can be done in a few different ways, but the 2 primary methods of choosing are 1) You wish to develop a certain part of yourself or heal yourself & so you look up crystals in a "quality" crystal book, find the task you wish to accomplish & then look at the corresponding crystals that can perform that task & then go shopping for a good one. Ones without imperfections like cracks, chips,streaks or clouding are the more powerful crystals (unless they come like that), but these are also very expensive. Kinda like, you wouldn't buy your girlfriend a diamond ring with a blob or crack in the middle of it, it might cost you less, but the effect will be the same as the price................less.

Method 2) is, you use the "let the crystal find you". This is done on a subconcious level. You go to a crystal shop & just look at first, then subconciously let your body tell you what crystal it "needs" or "wants" to further develop yourself or to fix something. So you look first & narrow down the field of ones you "feel" will benefit. Then you actually pick up a few, hold them for a few seconds & see if you get this feeling you need to buy this one. The reason may not be apparent at the time of why you chose a particular crystal, it may reveal it's purpose weeks or months later.

do i have to assume that all existing literature on the properties of crystals are true?......................No, there are many CRAP crystal books out there, some of them seem to have abilities & properties that overlap, but some seem like they have made it all up. The book I mentioned earlier by "Melody" is a great one & seems to be the most authorative book for crystal users. She has a Bachelor of Science & a Master of Arts in Mathematics, so she isn't just some tripper. Her books make the others look like they are written by amateurs.

Yes, Lapis is an excellent stone & probably my favourite besides Amethyst & Clear Quartz. In the melody book it is described as "the stone of total awareness". I use it a lot on my 3rd eye/brow chakra & to be open to esoteric information.

Regarding your last question, who knows, maybe there IS something else yet undiscovered that makes the properties of a crystal subjective & somehow affects or works with the unique make up of that individual. I'm sure that there are many things that is yet to be discovered regarding crystals & many new applications may be found. For the moment, I just stick with the information I have & experiment with what I'm told they CAN do, & I'll find out the things that isn't written about, in time.

Good journeys

Mobius

Hi rodentmouse

Rose quartz is good stuff I find, but I don't use it as often as clear quartz. Rose quartz emits a calming, cooling energy which can work on all chakras to remove negativity & re-instate forces of self healing & love. Helps to clarify emotions, healing emotional wounds & restores the mind to harmony. It is especially useful on the heart & crown chakra.

If you choose to get rose quartz again, use it on your heart & crown chakra mainly. I gather you are a male, so for a male, touch the crystal on your skin or just above it & for the crown, make small circles in a clockwise direction on the top of your head. For the heart chakra rotate it anti/counterclockwise direction over your heart.

When I first started using crystals a few years ago, they were packed away on about 2 or 3 ocassions, as I thought, this is stupid, it's doing nothing. Then I decided to give it a real go & decided to use them daily over a period of a few months, which changed my mind on the matter. I found that if I placed the cystals on me or held them while doing some meditation or NEW after charging & programming the crystal, it REALLY helped.

Yes, you may be expecting too much for your first few attempts, it takes a little while to perceive the energies involved & to become sensitive to them. I guess it's a lot like OBE's, even when you know how to do them, it's still hard to induce them on demand. The conditions have to be just right.

Also, try cleaning your crystal in fresh water, the sea & rivers, streams are good. Tap water bad, distilled or spring water is good.

Take the piece of rose quartz & program it something like this. "I want you to help me with keeping balanced emotions" or " I want you to help me with healing myself", you must be specific.you cannot just say "whatever it is you do crystal, or whatever properties you have, please give them to me". You have to know what the tool does. Kinda like, you wouldn't buy a screwdriver & expect it to undo bolts, when you need a spanner to do that.

Lay down or sit down & if you are right handed, hold the crystal in your left hand. If you are left handed, hold it in your right hand.Just sit still holding the crystal for about 5 mins before programming. When you decide to begin asking the crystal to help you with a task, ask your higher self or a guide to help you with the request. Once you begin, speak the words & focus energy on the crystal repeating the words 20 to 30 times over, which re-inforces it. Then place the crystal over your 3rd eye & repeat the words but this time mentally, visualising sending energy from your 3rd eye into the crystal.

Another thing I discovered with crystals was filling them with white light & then placing them on your 3rd eye, this must be done through visualisation.

I've been trying to track down scientific studies into the validity of cleansing, charging & programming crystals, but not much stuff as yet. I guess it's a bit like our OBE's, not much "scientific proof" as yet, but as with OBE's, I'm not too concerned as to what science thinks, I'll do it regardless.

Good journeys

Mobius

Okie Dokie

Mobius

Hey Kakkarot

Mate, throw the broken crystal away, unless it can be salvaged by being re-cut. Put it in the garden or something, it's not worth it to hold onto it.

Also, if someone has given you a crystal or touched your crystal, make sure you clean it, charge it & re-program it for yourself. Anything someone else wishes to do for you regarding one of your crystals, can be done by you. Unless it is the "laying" on of crystals by a crystal healer, always clean your crystals if someone has touched them, ESPECIALLY a "friend".

Btw, to sir rodentmouse, I just realised I abbreviated your name to RD instead of RM....................apologies.

Good journeys

Mobius

Hey RD

First you need to clean/clear your crystal, not only of physical residues left on it's surface, but psychic energies as well, left on it from other people. Check out the link for more on this.

http://www.rainbowcrystal.com/crystal/clear.html

Then you need to charge & program the crystal for YOU & the purposes you wish to use them for. Check out this link too for more.

http://www.rainbowcrystal.com/crystal/charge.html

Once this is accomplished, you simply use it in conjunction with your thoughts & skin contact with your body. For example, you wish to activate a chakra. After cleaning, charging & programming, you place it over your chakra in combination with your mind focused on the task you wish to accomplish.

Quartz not only has perfect timing (thats why they use them in quartz watches) but has both piezoelectric & pyroelectric properties, meaning pressure &/or heat will change it's effects & abilities.

You can use it to amplify, focus, store, transfer or transform energy. It can be used to communicate with plants, animals & intelligent forces outside the physical dimension. Can be used to facilitate speaking & receiving information to & from spiritual & other worldly masters, teachers & healers.

Whenever worn or carried, it acts as a physical and mental energizer, it also enhances and protects the aura and provides for amplification of the enrgy field of the body.

What I have allready written is only a fraction of what quartz can do, I'm a bit pushed for time at present so I cant write out the other 8 pages of information on clear quartz. Most of the information I've have written about has come from some personal experience & web sites, but mainly from a most excellent (BUT EXPENSIVE!) book on crystals called " Love is in the earth, a kaleidoscope of crystals" by "Melody".

Kakkarot, yes you are right, the aura or the energy field around the body extends out a small way from the body. If you were to wear a piece of quartz & have some kirlian photography done, you would see a great difference between a picture taken while not wearing a quartz crystal. While wearing them, it definately appears as though the bodies energy field has been extended. I've done this experiment myself at a place called "The Crystal Castle".

Once programmed, it is fine to simply have it laying in your house somewhere, as it CAN still benefit you by just being around. Holding one is better, but having one in the first place is better than not at all.

Good journeys all

Mobius

Hi RD

Concerning using crystals to alleviate problems, disorders, illnesses etc. They work much the same as medicine. You have a headache and you take aspirin or paracetamol. The effect of the tablets is hopefully to remove or alleviate the symptoms, but they are only temporary & don't stay in your system long enough to protect you from having a headache again.

The same goes for crystals. When you have a physical, mental or spiritual problem you pick the necessary crystal to combat or assist you with your ailment.

With psychic attack etc. you clean, charge & program a crystal & carry it around with you. While it is possible to basically upgrade your psychic/mental defences by carrying around a crystal with you, your defences don't stay upgraded when you remove the crystal. As with medicine, it is hard to make a biological change to the body when the body is constantly renewing itself, your whole body being rebuilt cell by cell.

So you either carry it around with you or keep it nearby to use in the event of a psychic attack or problem you wish to solve.

For example, a few months back I was experiencing over activity with my brow chakra/3rd eye, twas very annoying & often painful. So when I would experience discomfort, I would use some lapis lazuli or dioptase & rub it on my forhead. Obviously I couldn't walk around with this thing stuck to my head all the time, so when I was home or alone, I would pull it out & use it then, was very effective.

Ninth planet, I can't remember which of these sites has online shopping so I'll list the ones I do have & you can check them out. I've never actually bought any online as there are plenty of crystal shops nearby for me. Hope you can find something in these links.

http://www.crystalinks.com/

http://www.crystalinstitute.com/

http://www.rainbowcrystal.com/crystal/crystala.html

http://www.mineralminers.com/

http://www.bkminerals.gil.com.au

http://www.collierscrystals.com.au

Good journeys guys

Mobius

Hi all

Ahh STAR WARS, a favorite subject of mine. Notice how they don't seem to have any radio or television or such things?

I've often wondered about the "Medichlorians" in star wars. They are like a cross between our DNA & the word Mitochondria ( the power source in our cells) except they seem to vary in numbers in different people,(like Annakin) unlike mitochondria in our science.

Another thing that makes the whole star wars series seem even more interesting is to substitute the word "Force" for "Astral". Makes a lot of sense in the context of OUR time here & now.

Good journeys all

Mobius

G,day RD

Definately get yourself some quartz, preferably a double terminated quartz crystal, for just about everything. Also a piece of Amethyst for your spiritual self & developing your latent psychic abilities & senses, preferably uncut & unpolished. Carry it around with you & put it under your pillow when you sleep or rest.

Get some Lapis Lazuli for developing awareness, rub it over your 3rd eye/brow chakra for stimulation or to ease over stimulation. It also helps to protect you against psychic attack.

Some rose quartz for healing & balancing your emotions as well as your heart,throat, brow & crown chakra.

These are just some cheapies that are very effective & once programed & charged, you WILL notice the difference. There are also many that coincide with your star sign & ones that are used specifically for astral travel.

All the best with your travels & good journeys

Mobius

Hi Nate

I read a fantasy fiction series about 10 years ago called "Dragonlance" by Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman. The main enemy through out the book was the Draconians, a creature that looked basically like a walking lizard or human sized & shaped dragon.

It's also a word that for many years, has been used to describe our politicians, which is only fair.

All the best

Mobius

Hi GA

A few years ago when I was searching for more answers in life, I stumbled across a great mental exericise, or should I say, a way of changing the way I think about myself. The strange thing WAS, it was in a book called "How to become a millionaire". It's a method of changing your beliefs about yourself.

I've used this guys theory for years now with great success & since then have come across a few books with similar concepts.

Here's how it works : STOP telling yourself things like "I'm unlucky", "Just my luck", "Trust that to happen to me", "I'm cursed" or any such negative outlooks on yourself. This seems to be a cultural thing we learn to say & hear off others when they run into a similar situation, it might seem like nothing, or something to pay little attention to, but just saying those sorts of things AFTER something has happened to you, re-inforces your mental belief, that somehow you are unlucky, or draw bad luck. By saying these things you almost gauratee bad luck coming to you.

Instead, start replacing that way of thinking with entirely POSITIVE ways of thinking & re-inforce this belief by rewarding your mind with acknowledging a task performed well, a piece of good luck, good health or anything positive, by saying "just my luck" when something works well, you win something,get a good car space, don't have an illness etc. Reverse your way of thinking & tell yourself when you get sick or have some sort of bad luck, "that's not like me", "that NEVER or RARELY happens to me", "this illness, cold,fever,flu has got to go, please go somewhere else".

It feels weird at first, but you will see the results soon enough, try it out & see if how often good luck comes to you & how seldom colds,flu's & fevers hit you. This way of thinking has changed things for me, for the better, so give it a go & see if there is a difference in your life.

Good journeys mate

Mobius

Hey guys

Koshka, hey me no run away from gun debate. I had a bit of backup there in the gun debate, but the majority of people posting were pro gun (and american I might add), not surprising since the USA is the biggest producer & exporter of guns & the people who have the major shareholding in these armament businesses also have the major shareholding of CNN,Washington Post & New york times, so the information that gets broadcasted corresponds with the shareholder interest of these armament companies.

So it's no surprise that CNN broadcasts a very jingoistic,patriotic stance on "THE WAR ON TERROR". The more the american public are convinced to bay for blood, revenge, stop the terror, secure peace or whatever chest beating stuff they come up with, the more the gun sales go up & the wealthier these people who started it all in the first place, get. In these days of corporate collapses & unattainable profit rates, how do you think armament companies improve their bottom line & turn over? It's not like banks, where they just close down a few branches, sack employees & run some add campaigns that portray bankers as part of your family. Gun companies can't exactly do that. So how do you increase the bottom line of armament company & convince people they need more of your product?hmmmmmm

If the DC sniper was an Al Quada or Saddam goon, why would they target civilians? Why not political or business targets? that would really make a difference for them?

Blossom you are probably right for all we know, that your government ISN'T responsible for the Dc sniper. If it WAS some inside government setup, it would be highly unlikely any that ANY politicians would know about it. Our governments are set up so that everyone competes against each other & information is not available between each department.

WHY HAS MARIJUANA COME UP IN THIS DISCUSSION?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................................................I like it,hehe.

Another product that has been manipulated & shut out because of big business. Anyone ever seen the documentary "The Billion dollar crop"? For thousands of years Hemp was used for sails, rope, paper, clothing, even the American flag & was far superior to other products like cotton & nylon. Marijuana as a drug has been used even longer than it's other material purposes. There has never been a recorded death with people overdosing on marijuana. Yet people somehow decide that alchohol & ciggarettes are allright. I'm sure everyone in here knows or has heard of someone dying from alchohol poisoning, choking on their own vomit.

The younger members in here might not realise it but alchohol was a banned substance in the early 1900's in America. The days of prohibition gave rise to people like Al Capone & underworld bootlegging gangs. Mr Annslinger was given the job of demonising alchohol in the publics minds & destroying underground brewers. When the government realised that so many of the public were ignoring their warnings & drinking anyway & the gangs had got so powerful they were buying politicians & judges, they had to legalise it, so they could at least make money from it themselves, instead of all the money going into gangsters hands.

When Mr Annslinger realised his whole department & he himself would soon be out of a job, he quickly moved his attention to something else that he could demonise & help perpetuate his lifestyle. All of a sudden, the product that was so useful to the american public (hemp) was determined to be "evil".

Fast forward to the present & you can see that it is NOT the consuming of marijuana the government is worried about, it's appeasing big business that they are worried about. There are many people that stand to lose if Hemp is allowed to be used again as product. The alchohol industry doesn't exactly want a competitor. Neither does the cotton, nylon industry & the petrochemical industries that supply fertilisers, pesticides,herbicides etc all of which Hemp needs very little of. The timber industry doesn't want people to know that our daily paper needs can be met by this fast growing annual crop, instead of their 10 -20 year old trees they cut down.

Funny how heroin & Opium is so demonised also (BTW I don't advocate their use), but if it's called "Morphine", "Codeine" or "Oxycontin" it's allright. Now that afghanistan has been brought under US control, the levels of opium production have gone through the roof. That was handy wasn't it? that the guy who was scapegoated in 911 & CIA trained, Osama, happened to be in a country that was/is the largest producer of opium in the world. Now big business has a monopoly on that product, it only leaves oil & cocaine as the next biggest business targets, so after the oil has been secured & the american economy is saved, watch out Columbia.

Blossom, what is "reality" anyway? And isn't just being on this site a deviation from what mainstream people class as "reality"? Does that mean you would disagree with the use of alchohol or anti-depressants? After all, they change your perspective on reality don't they? Why do americans advocate so much the right to own guns & call that liberty, but sneer at others desire to have liberty & choose to do the things in life they want?

Btw all, Michael Moore has made a movie soon to be released (maybe allready released) called something like "........Columbine", promises to be very controversial & get right up the nose of the political & business elites of america. It's the side of things Bush & big business don't want you to see & from the sounds of things, most viewers leave the cinema pretty ticked of with politicians & big business.

Good journeys all

Mobius

Hi guys

Yes good book that one "The Celestine prophecy". I bought this book a few years ago & "The tenth insight". Twas a very compelling story about gaining these "nine insights". All the insights are fairly straight forward & effective, especially his work with plant aura's & aura's in general.

Aussie_swede, for me the whole book flowed very nicely..................up until I got to the part about his theory on what happened to the Mayans, what did you think? I wouldn't have a clue what "really" happened to them, but it was a bit hard for me to believe that the entire population simultaneously arrived at some sort of coinciding vibrational rate amongst the populous & they all vibrated to a level where they became invisible to the average persons eye. And that because of this new vibrational state, the populous no longer needed material (solid) things including food as we know it.

It's not that I believe that doing all these things are impossible, I just don't think all that happened to the Mayans at that time,I might be wrong. They were a very advanced people with their maths & astronomy etc. but I'm not too sure about that one.

Cya's
Mobius

Hi PW

Your right, this individual needs to be stopped & he/she IS a very sick individual. I've shot plenty of rifles myself & ones with scopes too & I know I could easily hit someone from a distance with a rifle. But whether it would be a kill shot & only shooting once & scoring 7 out of 9 people from a long distance, is a different matter. He's obviously smart enough to realise that if he fires twice, someone will almost certainly make his position, so he makes the first shot count. He also knows the lay of the land & has probably scoped out these positions to shoot from months ago, to see what the escape route would be like & who would be likely to see him.

I wouldn't be surprised if he wears a maintenance workers uniform, possibly with a tool box too, to go unnoticed to the roof level of a building. As a person from the public or someone wearing office clothes could likely draw attention if they were seen going to the roof or a maintenance level of a building, as he could quite easily shoot through the louvres of a ventilation shaft.

PW, you are right too, that the majority of people with rifles out there are not out sniping people & I don't have anything against farmers or people on land owning them. I just don't see the point if you are a city dweller. And you are right also, that people can kill someone with a screwdriver, or poison, but these things bring with them the chance that the killer could be identified through DNA fingerprinting. All they would need is a bit of hair, saliva, blood or semen & the identity of the killer has been narrowed down significantly. Being able to kill from a distance (with a rifle) & with nothing to be able to identify the killer besides the bullet, leaves a very broad base in which to profile the killer & trying to find scraps of DNA in a 200m radius would be pointless.

Lets hope he trips & shoots himself, cya's.

Mobius

Hi Astral

I would like to think there is nothing more to this event than a lunatic that is shooting people & needs to be caught. But suppose it IS something more sinister. When words like that are mentioned people become defensive of the authorities & governments & there is an almost inbuilt need to cringe at the thought of manipulation or the whole thing being a set up. IMO, for all we know, it IS just some idiot on a rampage & there is no need to look further into the case than that. But our history tells us to be aware that the superficial story is not always the correct one.

For one, the guy seems to be either military trained (if there is only one) or a successful competion rifle shooter. To get a kill shot on these people, first shot & no witnesses, seems to lend more to the theory the person could be military, or a special op's guy or swat or something. When no-one has been caught, regarding any horrendous crime, the people begin to get angry with police, further pressuring them & giving rise to the possibility of using a scapegoat/patsy/fall guy to take the blame & take the pressure off.

If I was a shareholder in one of the many gun & armament industries in America (& didn't have a conscience) I would be rubbing my hands in glee at the advertisement of terror & the increase of gun sales to come. The armaments industry is huge & definately in a good position to reap good returns if there is war with Iraq. Or if Americans are panicked into thinking they need to arm up. I'm not against the concept of the share market either, it's just that it's in the interest of armament companies, & the people who supply them (mines, smelters, petrochemicals, metal manufacturers) to have war & have unrest to the point where people need to resort to guns to resolve their differences.

The sniper is shooting random innocents, so seems more focused on creating terror & fear than avenging something done to him, such as killing fellow employees or bosses he had a gripe with. I hope they don't try to pin it on some Muslim, which would readily be accepted. But if it was/is a fundamentalist muslim, why shoot innocent people? What is there to gain from that? Why not political or business targets?

There is a new generation of weapons out that don't require you to be ovely bloody & a consumer of guns. But not available to the public. Weapons like HAARP & EM machines, biological & chemical weapons, that don't require you to be anywhere near your enemy. The only use for guns then is for the people against other people, but not the business elites. I bet there isn't gun,ammunition & liquor stores everywhere in the top 10% earning areas of the USA. Just like here in Australia.

Lets hope some schmuck is found & he is not a scapegoat.

Good journeys all

Mobius

Hi all

Maybe this story should have been part of the gun debate thread we enjoyed so much. Another great illustration of why we shouldn't have guns. Especially ones that can kill people in great numbers (semi-autos & autos) or kill people from a distance (snipers rifles) without having to be seen by anyone. As much as they are fun to use (guns) & I have used them as well, it's the people that are going through a crisis of the mind that will ruin things for others & perpetuate the need in peoples minds to arm themselves in possible anticipation of an encounter. In turn perpetuating the ease for someone else to use them in a negative way when they are going through a bad time or tough period themselves.

You can say that if we didn't have guns, people would use other means, but most of the time, that will involve you getting very physical with the other person, potentially bringing about a situation where the killer could get injured or killed or be identified. Guns like these make it so easy to be impersonal about it & not even see or hear what you are doing to someone.

Kakkarot may be right & the killer is just playing with authorities & peoples fears. Then again he might have been watching that Dirt Harry movie about a sniper (scorpius I think the characters name was) who killed people from a tower by snipers rifle. Or another movie called something like "The Tower" or something. A more fitting & possibly accurate card to leave would have been "The Tower card" which truly reflects this persons actions of "anger,strife & ignorance". He obviously never read about tarot cards as he would know that it is what other cards the death card precedes or follows is what matters. On it's own the "death" card is actually a positive card & it's obvious the sniper is taking it as face value.

The "death" card represents the finishing of something, a new beginning, changes, the death of old habits, ways of life & the birth of hopefully more positive thoughts & actions. If the words were written on the card upside down, then it MAY have meant something, but on it's own & like that, illustrates that the sniper is a fairly ignorant sort of person, with a lot of built up angst.

Quoting CNN, CBS, Washington post, New york times, Associated press or Reuters is like being a real life character inside the movie "the matrix" & asking the men in suits what their opinion is about something. They will tell you the information in the way that they want you to see it, not so much the facts. In Australia, here we actually have a comedy show on T.V called "CNNN" which puts a comedic spin on the stories which come out of CNN. CNN is known in places outside the USA as a platform for misinformation & sensationalism.

I don't have anything against americans or america in general, it's not them, it's the same people as here in Australia that I'm against, the upper echelon who manipulates the greater population & politicians too, for their own ends.

Good journeys all, promote peace & understanding.

Mobius

G,day Patty

Interesting you say you "click out" during the tape exercise. I've experienced this to some extent myself, although slightly different. As I have a fairly chronic back condition I just can't sleep unless I'm "medicated" (hope to be off them soon), so most of my sessions are when I am fully awake & not intending to go to sleep.

I've noticed that when I get to that stage of when you say you "click out", I experience astral sight or remote eye or on the rare occasion I use them before sleep, I begin dreaming, but I enter the dream consciously. When I slow things down & take a look at what I'm doing wrong, I find that it is internal dialogue that has slipped passed the "energy conversion box" stage & then I realise that I have not totally cleared my head of thoughts & my thoughts/ internal dialogue become the subject of my focus.

Once it gets to that stage, I know I'm going to have a hard time inducing an OBE. As opposed to having a clear mind & just looking at the blackness beyond my eyelids. So if I realise that internal dialogue has slipped in, I either abort the attempt & meditate or stop. My girlfriend is different alltogether. She falls asleep within about 5 mins of the cd starting. She does remember her dreams now though, which is a start.

I was having OBE's before I started with hemi-sync, so it's hard for me to tell anyone whether it MAKES me have an OBE, more like HELPS me. I was told the reason TMI makes the exercises only 30 mins long is because any longer & you will either forget your experience/shadow memories (even though you feel as though you didn't go anywhere) or fall asleep, increasing the chance of forgetting it. Makes sense & coincides with how Bruce says to make the OBE's short ones so you can recall more of it.

All the best Patty & good journeys

Mobius

Hi all

Like one of the stories I read in the links Clandestino posted, I too found The Monroe Institute (TMI) by accident. By 1996 I had only owned a couple of OBE type books & both seemed to be set on describing seeing your body from a few feet away & not much more. While in the Adyar bookstore in Sydney I spotted the cover of a couple of books. One was called "Remote Viewing" by Jim Schnabel & the other was monroes book "Ultimate journey".

I'm a bit of a book collector so after a quick flick through both books I thought "this is ME all over" & bought them both. Just seeing the cover of "Ultimate Journey" seemed to trigger my interest, as it just seems to capture a certain feeling of having an OBE. I had heard of Remote viewing but knew nothing of the history behind it, so thought the book could fill in those gaps.

It was strange, because at the time I never realised the 2 were linked at all, but after completing the Remote Viewing book & reading how so many of the military personnel went to TMI, who partook in the RV programs at SRI & Fort Meade it sparked my interest. After a bit of net research, I found that most of the main players in the remote viewing field today like Joe McMoneagle, Skip Atwater, Ed Dames, Ingo Swann, Russell Targ & Lyn Buchanan all went to TMI & Skip & Joe are basically regulars there, basically have family there now.

I quickly read Ultimate journey & it was like someone had written my thoughts & experiences down, with different characters. So I quickly back tracked & bought the first two books "journey out of the body" & "far journeys", to get the whole picture. I soon found myself feeling very curious about TMI, the courses there & the Hemi-Sync tapes available. I couldn't afford to go to TMI for one of the courses, so I got hold of a catalog to check out what the prices were & if I could start off cheap. I didn't want to invest in the gateway series as it was out of my price range, so I tested the waters with a set of tapes called "On becoming a life long learner", cost me Au $50, single tapes start at Au$25.

I tested out another couple of tapes before I realised "something" was working or happening & decided it was time for the gateway. I bought the whole set of waves 1 to 7 on tape, which was good & bad. Since I've started to replace the tapes with cd's I've found that the tapes have a little extra length to them than the cd's & they cost me around Au $800.00. The bad thing I found with the tapes was; after falling into a trance or starting to OBE, the tape would finish, slam off (the same effect as if you were daydreaming & someone came up behind you & shot a gun near your head).

I also found out & remembered that tapes can get chewed! d'oh! You get 6 tapes with each wave or 3 cd's. So with the tapes, you have to stop & change sides unless you have auto-change, which is usually noisy. The older people I have talked all seem to have tapes & I don't know if that's a generational thing, a money thing or that cd's were not available then.

With the cd's, I found they are quieter for me. Being a musician, unfortunately I tend to tune in to every little sound & say "what's that sound, how is that being created?", before I listen to the track as a whole. Many people have told me to "just ignore the tape sound & roll of cogs inside the tape recorder", but I can't. I guess that's why they make cd's too. I much prefer the cd's as I can listen to 2 exercises per cd without moving or breaking my mindset.

The first time I listened to the gateway, I was blown away. The thing that really did it for me & still does it, is the sound effects the gateway has for building your resonant energy balloon. It's one thing to talk about raising energy or doing NEW, it's another thing to hear a sound that compliments that thought/concept. It sounds like a "flanger" that has had it's cycles slowed right down so it's in time with a slow inhale & exhale of breath. Or one of those whistle lollipops where you push the stick in & out to make a crescendo. I have read about these techniques of energy raising techniques long before I'd heard of Monroe & Bruce (pulling good/positive energy in through your feet & exhale & release bad/negative energy through your mouth) & I saw no reason to stick to only one method.

I imagine/ visualise like a syringe inside my body with the needleless point at my feet & then suck up good/positive energy.On the exhale, the syringe is squashing all the bad/negative energy out of my mouth. Kinda makes sense in a sciencey sorta way, as scientists/doctors say that most of our waste we expend during  the day comes from our mouth.

NEW worked well for me & so did Monroes resonant energy balloon (REBAL), so I combined the two. NEW seems to be a bit more advanced than the methods used by Monroe, but there isn't a sound to accompany NEW. So while listening to Monroes REBAL, I utilised NEW, which is a powerful combination I feel. Also, when the cd gets to the part about separating or floating away on the cd, I use rope, elevator or the falling technique to get out of body, if floating doesn't work.

My favourite tapes in the gateway series are Wave 1, cd 1, advanced focus 10 & cd 3, Focus 10 free flow & exploration of sleep. Wave 3, tape 1, Remote viewing & tape 6, first stage separation. Wave 4, tape 4 & 5, Non verbal comuncation (NVC). Wave 5, tape 6, pathways. Wave 7, tape 1, Sensing Locale 1,tape 2, Point of departure & non-physical friends, tape 6, Free flow journey in Focus 27.

At present, I'm in the process of replacing the tapes with cd's & have Wave 1 & 2 now & will have the rest of the series by the end of the month. Total cost of Cd's Wave 1 to 7, about Au $1100, ouch. I do get good use out of them though & listen to at least 1 cd/tape a day & it looks as though I'll have to get a 2nd cd discman as my girlfriend hogs it most of the time now. She was a skeptic until she had a go & noticed some real changes in her life & has developed quite a habit of having pre-cognitive dreams, which are startlingly accurate.

So I can see why military personnel from the U.S army " psychic spies"  had interest in TMI & many purchased the products or went to TMI including Major General Albert Stubblebine. I figure, if these guys thought it was worth a look & many are now successful remote viewers (as successful as RV is at present,it's still really at the beginning of it's developments) it was good enough for me to have a look.

Good journeys all

Mobius

Hi all

I forgot something in my last post. When I was having a bad time with this also, I was told to put a block of camphor at the end of the bed under the sheets. I didn't get to try this out as the mrs didn't want the bed smelling like mothballs,hehe. So I'm not sure how effective it is or how it works.

Blossom, that's a good point the pillow thing. After I stuffed my back, physiotherapists told me that when I was sleeping on my back, put a pillow under my knees as this kept my spine flat. Which makes sense when you think about it. When you lie on your back without your knees elevated, you have an arch at the base of your spine, which doesn't do the spine much good. Also, I was told when I lay on my side, I should put a pillow between my knees as when you don't have a pillow there, your knees drop lower than normal which in turn puts pressure on your hips/pelvis. When you put a pillow between your legs your legs are parallel & there is no strain on the hips/pelvis.

This was hard for me to get used to but worth it. I laughed my head off when they told me to put a pillow between my legs, but after actually doing it, I don't laugh, it just sounds funny, but doesn't feel funny, feels great.

Good journeys all

Mobius

G,day Amcturbo

I'm not sure about the energy side of things with restless leg syndrome, but I do know what helps as I have this problem myself,& have had since I was about 15. I know what the sleepless nights are like just turning over & over, stretching the legs in bed, enormous tension there & just generally a very tight feeling in the legs.

I found that doing stretches before bed really helps. Either stretches used in karate (such as taekwondo) or yoga stretches work well. One of the best ones which the doctor told me to do, which is also used in karate, is to lay on your back with one leg down flat & the other leg is lifted by you. That is, you lift your wifes leg in the air as high as it will go,without over stretching it & tearing a muscle.

I do stretches every night now regardless of if I feel my legs are tense or not & if I still feel that I'm going to have a rough night with it, I take Quinine, which is pretty rarely & not sure if your wife could use it because of the baby.

Accupuncturists sell this disgusting tasting powder that also works well, but is a little expensive, although natural.

Good luck mate

Mobius

Hi Romero

Well, congrats to the site developers for a good looking site.

On the topic of Pearl, that's ok, I don't wish to invade peoples privacy so I'll leave it there. I like how you said " It was another exorcism with perculiar events", so casual ! Good to see there is people like yourself willing to acknowledge this sort of thing & also have the guts to go up against these things. How many exorcisms have you performed? Also, how many people does it usually require to perform such a thing? It's fine if you don't wish to talk about such things, it's just such an extreme event that doesn't get talked about much & hard to find first hand info on.

Thanks anyway & all the best.

Mobius