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Check the number of hrs. of sleep you're getting per night.  If you're getting too little or too much, staying awake to project becomes way harder than it needs to be.

If that's not your problem, then you just need more willpower.  I actually often find it easier to get up, use the bathroom, and then project.  I find that that few minutes I'm up and awake helps me to strengthen my resolve to project (and not fall back asleep!)  Often with indirect techniques, although they can work very quickly, it's so easy to just cave in to going right back to sleep.  Raduga is pretty negative about direct techniques -just don't let his views poison you against them.  If you get up for a few minutes, it might make things harder or it might make things easier for you.  Everyone is different.  It may help keep you awake for the amount of time needed to project. (which isn't long -twenty minutes tops)

When you're visualizing, make sure you're not turning back to focus on your physical body.  That will kill it.  You have to keep a non-physical focus. 

I think it's the willpower. Also I'll try to focus on the movement outside of my body.

Thanks.

Again I was successful without moving, and I felt a little electric shock / some vibrations, but couldn't stay awake. Also the next time I awoke was when I felt that the technique was working I couldn't stay focused / couldn't focus on my indirect technique / visualization.

It worked like this I awoke at 7:30am this morning then I awoke later and tried separating. Didn't work so I awoke the next time and I missed the part about not moving, but cycled through indirect techniques. One of them worked and then I felt the electric shock / little vibrations and couldn't focus on the technique / visualization. I don't know if I'm supposed to feel movement or just go more with the visualization. Next time I'm going to try to go through feeling the actual movement of the indirect technique then just doing the visualization.

The technique that I was stuck on / couldn't focus on was a technique I made up called "flying like Goku". It's where he's moving like he's attacking the bold character in this clip. The part where Goku is in red was the way I was visualizing / trying to imagine to move. It felt like it was working, because my body felt like it had little electric shocks / shaking / vibrations, but when I tried to further it I quit or was tired.

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Also I had a dream that felt like I was watching a movie either in between these two or before or after it. I felt the dream was so irrelevant that I couldn't / won't write it down. It felt like watching a live TV report or watching a live concert on TV.

Could someone give me some advice on how to stay awake long enough to stay with the indirect techniques?

I was successful in waking up without moving, but went back to sleep because I was so tired mentally. Also I recalled another dream today (too inappropriate for this forum) so that's at least another side effect.

When I use an alarm the duration it has to be very short (1-2 seconds max) and the noise volume very low. I had to experiment to find out just the right balance - a signal that didn't wake me up too abruptly but just about strong enough to spark awareness and help me realise where I am and what to do. It always worked best for me when I was able to wake up as comfortably and as smoothly as possible.  

I don't have a smart phone so the options are limited. Other than that I'll just have to shut it off.

I awoke this morning to a cell phone alarm (so I can try to practice the techniques more) and remember trying to stay still but I either went to sleep. Or was jolted into waking consciousness then struggled with sleep (going in between wake and asleep) for four hours.

Any tips?

I had some little success. I'm in about to be in my mid 20's and had a vivid dream like I felt like I was stuck in middle school (for years) and was at a snoop dogg concert.

I've done this in two ways.  One- If you wake up during the night, hold perfectly still (but relaxed) and don't open your eyes.  Don't allow yourself to fall back asleep.  Keep your mind relaxed -as free from thoughts as possible.  In a few seconds to a minute, you will find yourself in a projection.     Two -If you wake up (from a dream) hold perfectly still (but relaxed) and don't open your eyes.  State your intent that you will now reenter your dream and be conscious in it.  Allow yourself to fall back asleep and you should reenter the dream but be conscious.  Good luck! 

I tried doing it earlier this morning (only after two hours of sleep), and I remember getting / feeling a pain in my spine / back. Then I went back to sleep.

With all due respect to Michael Raduga... ignore his opinions about projection.  
Just focus on the techniques he shares.  

An example of his opinion is that you should only try to project 2 - 3 times per week <-- That's BS.  Try as often as you're comfortable trying.  

Thanks I'll try to do it everyday and see how it is like / if it limits me.

Do you (or anyone else) have advice on waking without moving?

This is bascially a synopsis of his book in a three minute video.

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Thanks.

Hi,
I've been trying some techniques from the book called "the phase" on obe4u.com. Over the last two to three nights (have to take a rest until next week because the books author says that you should only try to lucid dream / project two to three days a week).

These are my experiences:

I remember one night (could've been minimum a day to two days ago) that once I did a technique I felt a little movement of electricity going across my arms only and it felt like my veins were moving / shaking.

Also in the book they say that the best way to be successful with indirect techniques (which is an obe after waking up) is to wake up without moving your body. I haven't tried this yet because I usually move my body upon awakening and have to wait until next week to practice this.

Is it okay to try the techniques everyday or should I just stick to what they say in the book and try it two to three days a week?

Also the author of the book says while being a novice to only project two to three days a week.

Thanks.

Hi,
I wanted to ask if it matters what body position I put my body in. When I lie on my back I can usually get my whole body still (into the trance state), but when I lie in another position it's hard for me to get my body into a trance state.

Also I've tried getting into a trance on a chair and it's even worse. Basically the only way for me to get into a full trance is to lie on my back.

Advice,
Thanks.

Yes, in the Astral Dynamics.au forum, in the OBE R & D section.

I tried reading the topic about it and didn't understand it. Would I have to read the second edition of Astral Dynamics in order to get a beginners tutorial on it?

I can check it out from my library.

Thanks.

He's added a few things between editions, (and taken some stuff out), but in short, he has added "energy body loosening" in between trance and exit methods.  I agree with this, it keeps you from starting the exit method too early in the process and getting tired/fed up before it works.
I would not advise starting the exit methods until you're having some sort of symptom -then do energy body loosening and then go for the exit attempt.

What is energy body loosening? Are there any online articles about it. I checked out the second edition of the book a two or three years ago,but got bored of it.

Thanks.

Hi,
I've been reading (and rereading) a book called Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce. I'm reading the first edition (from 1999) for the first time in 8-10 years. Basically the process he says is:

1.deep physical relaxation.
2.trance state (started / sustained by a "falling" effect) - this is one of the most difficult parts for me.
3.projection technique and exit - I don't know a good visualization technique. I don't like / can't do the rope technique because I've never climbed a rope in my life. The same with the ladder version of this technique I've never climbed a ladder in my life before. I tried a technique after the "falling" effect was initiated / maintained. Swinging like spiderman. Another one I used is once the "falling" effect is maintained / entered I swung around a tower in the sky by holding onto a web like spiderman but swinging 360 degrees or in a circle.

For the trance state the best was imagining I was going down and then up some stairs.

Edit / after thought:
The first time I memorized / tried this I got what felt like small / medium surges of electricity going through my body after the second step. Then I tried exiting my body through going through at least 2-3 techniques. It kinda felt like my physical body was actually moving and I couldn't tell the difference whether it was my physical body or not.

More thoughts / replies after I get my first and / or more replies. Thank you.

I thought "famous" people couldn't reincarnate. Like Einstein, Tesla, MLK, Gandhi etc...

If they can reincarnate then how are they communicated with after death ? Eg. Channeling and Astral Projection

One theory I've heard is that their memory is placed in the Akashic records and that's how they're communicated with. Another theory I've heard is that that body's incarnation (for example Gandhi) is kept on a certain astral plane, while the soul goes to a higher realm.

Source:
http://www.rickrichards.com/Astral.html

I wanted to ask what happened to Hitler after he died ? Has anyone on here seen him or his condition while projecting (I haven't projected yet) in the astral planes.

Can he ever reincarnate ?

Also what happened to Anne Frank ? Did she reincarnate ?

then u know what can go wrong if you force it the first 3 months

I don't have the book forever (I checked it out from the library. Plus I live with my mom who's into the Christian religion and can't buy it openly until I'm on my own) so I'm practically forced to hurry up the process. I have the older version on my computer but I don't like to read books on the computer.

I too read "Astral Dynamics" and thought it was great but didn't do any of the energy work.

What worked for me the first time I tried it is his "Rope Climbing" technique. I had had OOBEs with the standard 'rolling out' movement before but was shocked how fast and easy the Rope Technique worked when I was in the right state (which is late morning after I've already have 7 hours sleep). It works 90% of the time for me within just 5-10 seconds so I have them nearly every morning now which is great fun.

Another variation on this is keeping your hands under your sheet and just gently putting resistance against the sheet and when you no longer feel resistance you know your astral hands have broken free and then I'm ready to sit up.

I would also recommend the Robert Monroe books and all the great resources on this forum.

Could you explain it to me in more detail (about the sheet part) ?

Can you tell me what you did that led to your first projection ?

I've read the Monroe books and they didn't help me much.

For how long have u done NEW?

I've been using it for 3-5 days now and am almost done with the first chapter on it.

I started this thread to ask if I have to do energy work in order to project. I'm reading the tenth anniversary edition of Astral Dynamics and I'm getting real impatient with doing the energy work.

Did you do energy work in order to project for the first time ?

I also have "The Secret of the Soul" by William Bulhman (both I checked out from the library) and want to know if that's easier than Dynamics.

What about "I always astral project in 2011" then if I don't project by 2012 then I can say, "I always astral project in 2012".

Hi,
I'm reading the newest version of Astral Dynamics (check it out from my library) and I'm on the part about affirmations. I can't seem to make up a good affirmation. According to the book it has to be present-tense. The one I was thinking about was "I'm going to astral project by 2012" or "I'm going to astral project before 2012".

Could anyone edit these affirmations to make it present tense ?

Thanx.

Hi,
I'm trying to achieve astral projection with the techniques from the school of obe. So far there's only been one time where I've been able to stay still upon awakening.

Is it alright if I get up in the middle of the night and then try the indirect techniques as I go to sleep ?

Thanks.

I find it pretty much impossible to take scientific information back from the astral. It all makes sense when I'm there but as soon as I get back and start writing I'm like trimethylchloro...damnit I've forgotten all the details.

What about if you write the keywords first, then try to remember from the keywords ?

It depends on if Tesla (or anyone for that matter) is still focused within the Astral w/ Physical life memories intact.

In my theory, it's more possible to tap into the belief constructs Tesla had while in the physical. In this respect you could get to know him by experiencing his ideas first hand as opposed to meeting him personally.

So what you mean is go into the akashic records and experience his life other than communicating with him directly. And would there be any way to know if he reincarnated ? So if he didn't could I talk to him ?

But if I wanted to could I talk to Tesla or Did he already reincarnate ?

Can I talk to people who've reincarnated or do I have to wait ?