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What you are describing is almost classic signs of a partial OBE. The floaty limbs (arms and legs first) is usually what I experience first. Lily is correct though, you weren't totally relaxed -- which is another classic sign. Legs and arms, at least for me, are always the first to release from the body. Its pretty easy to get them floating or moving around while you are still aware that physically they are on your lap, or by your side, or wherever you know they are. The problem is the torso and head. You need to be completely relaxed for those two to release. This is the hardest part I think. Because people typically think they are very relaxed at this stage, when in fact they are not. We hold a lot of stress and tension in our jaws, neck, shoulders, etc. This tension keeps the etheric locked in to the physical body. The next time you experience this, instead of fighting to get out -- which you won't because you are still locked in to your body -- try focusing on your jaw or neck or shoulders. With each exhale, imagine them deeply relaxing. You should get almost a sinking feeling when you start doing this correctly. If you are able to retain awareness during this part, you should be able to consciously exit once your upper body/torso is fully relaxed.

I think its great that you want to help them. But I don't think you can 'move' someone to a higher plane unless they are ready and willing to do it themselves. People who help with retrievals don't ask to help move a specific person, which is what you are attempting to do. They ask for a guide to take them to someone who is ready or close to being ready -- there's a difference. The next time you are able, I would ask a guide for their suggestions. It could be that the boys are there because they are not ready to move on -- kinda like your old prospector. If people hang on to things that weigh them down, they are literally unable to 'move up' until they release the weight themselves. Basically you can't help someone if they aren't willing and ready to help themselves.

I could be way off -- but that's what struck me as I read your post.

I was in a black void just before my AP after I flew out of the dream and when I opened my astral eyes and I could see my room... do you feel any tightness around your eyes when your in the void?

From your description, it sounds like you saw your room while in the void. Is that what you are describing? If so, then you were not in the void. The void is simply that -- a void. It feels like you are in the center of a boundless, black area completely devoid of sight and sound. The only thing there that you perceive -- is you as a consciousness. I don't even notice a body at the time. I had never read or heard about it before I first experienced, although I had been phasing (didn't know that was the name at the time) for about a year. But when I 'stumbled' in to it -- I freaked out a bit. I was completely unable to make any sound at all -- even a thought. And I could see clearly except that there was nothing to see. Of course, as my anxiety rose I quickly found myself awake back in bed. 

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I'm with Hannah on this one.

My mother and all of my family on her side are christian. My aunt is SO uptight about this, that she had a complete fit when both of her kids married catholics -- she's lutheran. She kept threatening them not to sign the paper (all catholics or those marrying in to the faith must sign a paper saying they agree to raise the children as catholics). She was actually prejudiced against other branches of christianity! 

But like Hannah said, you can't change his mind just as he cannot change yours. He must follow what he believes to be true for him and you need to do the same. However, following what is true for you does not mean you need to advertise your truth to others. I don't discuss my beliefs with anyone unless I think they are ready to hear them -- not even my husband (because he's no where near ready to hear them). That doesn't mean I give them up, it just means I don't share them with others. They are quite personal, and even if I could share them with everyone I know I would not do it.

If you are still living in his house, then I would recommend holding your tongue and respecting his beliefs. When you are on your own and he's possibly mellowed out over time, then perhaps broach the subject again. Its great that you feel comfortable with your beliefs, but if they cause others, particularly those near you, distress, then I think it prudent to keep them to yourself for now.

I've seen other people while OBE but all of them were asleep. I can tell because they appear dull, like cigarette smoke. They also appear to be walking around slowly, almost like zombies. People who are conscious of where they are I perceive as very bright. I've never seen/nor tried to see, someone in the physical while OBE -- so I can't speak to that.

But I have seen dream characters/overlay while OBE when my awareness is somewhat low. OBE, astral and other planes are all variations/degrees of consciousness/awareness. The higher your lucidity/awareness -- the less dream overlays you have.

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I see this everytime I do standing meditation -- eyes open. I think its very common for people to see this when they get into a trance or semi-trance state. To me, it appears more like a haze that seems to 'blow' around me. I'm assuming its something to do with either prana/chi or my aura -- but I'm just guessing here.

I don't think you loose your personality, nor do I think you keep the one you have. On a smaller scale, its more like life. You start with a personality as a baby, and as you grow it develops and changes and evolves. It keeps doing this throughout life.

Its possible that we are each individual personalities, but with each incarnation it/we grow and evolve a bit. So that when we die, the personality we had doesn't die and doesn't remain 'in-full' so to speak, but we take the experiences and we evolve a bit further.

I've met beings in the astral that were quite serious. And have met some that had very dry sense of humor. I joke around a lot and have, on multiple occasionas, had my guides just laughing at me when trying to explain something to me, because I would take one thing they said and start going off on a tangent --  in jest.

There are definately unique personalities and those personalities correspond to, are created to/from or are linked with the unique feeling each entity has.

Again, this has been my experience, so I can only speak to that.

Holy guacamole batman!    There are over 100 "laws" on that website.

I glanced over the first dozen and then scrolled down to see the total number....didn't finish reading them. I recognize some of what they call laws as valid 'truths' based on my personal experiences thus far. But I don't really agree with most of what I read. It also looks like they took the 7 (or something around there) laws stated in books like the Kybalion and then began parsing those out into sub-laws. To me, that is probably a waste of time. If you understand the concepts, you should be able to see/understand the applications everywhere. But, again, that's just me.

I agree with your thoughts on advertising -- I personally do not buy anything on advertising. I watch one hour of tv a week and then I always mute the commercials. Can't stand them! 

The method of advertising Adrian has chosen to use to sell his books also does not work for me. But that is a personal choice. Just as it was Adrian's choice to use them. Everyone is different and Adrian is doing what he feels works best for him, none of us can do anything except that.

This website is here to promote spiritual growth and to make people think in ways perhaps people in society today, couldn't possibly conceive.  Is it therefore right to use the same socially constructed tactics world is using today, that quite clearly isn't right and that in balance, is making consumers immensely indebt.  Is that good Karma and does it strike a long term negative imbalance?

Hmm...not that I'm playing devi's advocate here (although I do enjoy doing that), but perhaps you already answered your own question? Human consumption is rampant in all areas of our lives, and our financial debt has increased accordingly. However, no one is forcing you to act on the marketing. No one holds a gun to your head and forces you to buy the object that is only available for two more days or else you die.

We feel pressure everywhere in life, in all things and in many different ways. Part of living is learning to deal with pressure the best way we can. It all boils down to self-control and will-power. Every failure is a weakness in ourselves that needs to be addressed. Removing the advertising does not improve our self-control or empower us with stronger wills. All it does is remove a catalyst, not solve the problem.

So, to use your quote, perhaps by helping people to think in new ways, Adrian is helping them to establish more self-control and more will-power? This, in turn, would allow them to think 'outside of society's norm' by giving them the ability to "just say 'no'." This is purely my opinion and I'm pretty sure that Adrian was not thinking in those terms, but this is my point of view on the matter.

I personally get really tired of people pointing fingers everywhere but never at themselves. I think there is such a huge lack of personal responsibility, at least in the US, that it is alarming. My kids know better than to come to me with "John made me ...." No one makes you do anything; ever. ALWAYS it is the individual that CHOOSES the action. There is always at least two choices in every situation. It is impossible not to have at least two choices. And you can choose to succomb to the seductive promises of marketing and advertising or you can choose to turn away and not spend your money. But regardless of the decision you make, do not pass responsibility for it on anyone else.

As for the advverisements here, as mentioned earlier there are no pop-ups, permanent ads along the borders, logos for products, sponsorships that flash and glow or are animated and try to catch your attention. There are several stickies at the tops of the forums. If you aren't interested do not click on the topic. If you never click on those topics, you will never see adverising on this forum.

to reiterate, I do agree with you that adverising and consumer debt is seriously out of control. But as with all things in life, it boils down to a person's ability to exercise control over themselves and their actions. I look at it as one of those temptations in life. Each time you pass it by, it makes you stronger and more able to pass by the next one. The problem is most people never think of it that way.

I can get into my astral body, but I can't detach myself from my physical-body, but I can move my arms.

I believe what he's describing is the steps prior to exiting the physical body. I've experienced a number of times where I can feel and move my arms or legs, but my head and torso were still 'locked' in. I'm not sure I've ever felt my consciousness completely within the etheric double and not automatically release from the physical.

Actually it was pretty funny the other night, it was the first time this ever happened to me, but for some reason I was 'kicked' out of my physical body.  I remember feeling like I was being thrown, kicked, shot out, whatever term you want to use. But essentially I was up in the air from the body and landed on the floor nearby. I turned around and looked at my body like "there's no reason to get rough...sheesh!" I actually had to chuckle at experience.

Anyways, if you feel yourself light and floaty and fully inside your etheric body, then you should simply roll out, lift up out or do some other move, similary to how you would move physically away from something.

However, if you only feel yourself partially in the etheric body (ie you can feel and move your arms or legs or head, but not your whole body), they do NOT try and move anything. You are not relaxed enough yet for the whole body to exit -- at least this has been my experience. Remain still and focus on completely relaxing the parts of the body that do not feel light and floaty -- for me its usually the head or torso that go last. If everything is fully relaxed, you shouldn't need to even roll out. you should simply release from the physical and begin to gently rise up.

And if I'm mistaken in what you are describing, please let me know.

I find it fairly easy to do with 1 caveat: you can remain focused on only one thought.  Once out of your body, imagine your girlfriend -- not where she is staying in the physical. Picture her face and imagine her 'feel'. After what feels like a few seconds of doing this, I usually perceive the surroundings drop slightly from around me and begin whisking passed me. For some reason, I always feel myself as stationery and not moving. Your eyes can remain open or closed during this. If they stay open, do NOT pay any attention to the surroundings flying passed you. This will cause you to lose the connection with her and you will drop wherever it is that caught your attention -- this is the 'tricky part.' After what feels like about half a minute, the surroundings will slow down and you will find yourself somewhere else. Look around and she should be near you.

Yes, the 5 stars below my name is because I'm a moderator. Normally the number of stars, like astral energy, is based on quantity of posts.

As for rules on karma, Adrian has the currently set as follows:

1) you need to make at least 10 posts before you can applaud/smile; and
2) you cannot smite the same person in under 100 hours

As Saddam Hussein has recently enjoyed earthly justice, I'm sure many of us wonder what kind of justice will follow him. I wonder what kind of ID, color, or feeling he has?

I've only seen him on tv - obviously he isn't a close, personal friend of mine    However, when I see him I feel ... not sure how to describe it. A kind of heavy, angry, strong feeling from him. One that makes me very uneasy. Of course, I could simply be projecting my own interpretation of him in there -- which I am sure I'm doing based on what I've read of the man. So this isn't totally correct, but he definately gives off an air about him that turns me off.

It also makes you wonder about this vast highly connected "soul" or higher self. How many times does the "higher self" have to experience being a total psychopath super preditor to finnaly get it and say, "OK, that's what it's like, it was a mistake, let's move on now."

I'm somewhat at a crossroads with these types of situations. On the one hand, I completely agree and am horrified at the loss of life caused by people such as Hussein, Hitler, etc. And yet on the other hand, I see the unbiased compassion, integrity and mercy shown by others in the face of such senseless murder.

Humanity can be so incredibly brutal and merciless at times. But during these times, there are always those who rally and inspire others to heights that equal or surpass the brutality being exhibited. These repeated 'lessons', as you call them, are here for many people to experience and learn from, not just the one doing the actions. I think that is the case in most instances. Anywhere there has been cruelty, death, etc, there are always people willing to stand up and confront it for the good of all. Sometimes its as simple as a high school student standing up for a weaker student being bullied by someone else. And sometimes, like the 1940's, it takes countries to put their foot down and demand an end to the suffering.

I agree that this type of history repeats itself, but I think that for every evil done, somewhere something good also happens to try and stop it. And witnessing not only the horror, but the love, compassion, and sense of justice others show in the face of it, actually inspires more people. If we never experienced these things, or heard about them. Would we truly understand suffering and pain? Would we really understand sacrifice and love?

My sense is that we all experience these things to greater or lesser degrees depending upon where we are in our development and what we had intended to do while incarnate. I don't know, I could also just be way off-base with all of this --- wouldn't be the first time! 

Correct, astral energy = quantity of posts one has made. The karma rating system is a subjective way to let someone know if you find their posts useful/insightful or not. You do not need to use this at all. But if you read something that you really like and want to 'thank' the person, you can either make a post or simply hit "applaud" under their name. Hitting applaud will give them 1 karma point. If you find what they said rude or in some way offensive, you can hit "smite" which will take away one karma point.

These are only meant to be fun, so don't read too much in to them. 

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Wanderlei-

Based on my experiences in the astral, I think we each have a unique feel -- be it color, vibration, whatever you want to describe it as. Every being has something unique about them. When I travel or visit someone or someplace in the astral, I do it based on how the person/place 'feels'.

Many people come here trying to make contact while OBE or AP with people they never met before. It is VERY hard to do that because unless you know what a person 'feels' like, you end up going to where ever or whomever feels like what you've been concentrating on.

My thought at present is that while in the physical, everyone is only projecting a part of their being or consciousness, so to speak. But their spirit, soul, light, whatever you want to term a person's true/core being, is always the same feeling. Hence, we all have unique ID's, as you put it, which can be contacted by anyone at anytime if they know how. And its more accurate than picking up a phone and dialing a number. I say this because you can dial a phone number and reach a destination, but someone else may answer the phone. Whereas in the astral, by focusing on the person's feel, you will be taken exactly to them each and every time (at least that's the way it works for me).

Your description is typical of OBE experiences. The distortion of the room and surroundings can occur when attempting this and the degree of distortion will vary depending upon the lucidity of one's awareness at the time. Meaning if you are not fully aware of what is going on (and have control of your thoughts) you experience more dream overlays while OBE. But if you can keep your mind clear and open, you find much less distortion in the experience.

You should probably read through the Permanent Astral Topics and the Astral FAQ sections of the forum. The moderators have collected a lot of really 'meaty' posts regarding how to do various techniques, descriptions of experiences that are common or uncommon, etc. Major Tom wrote a great piece on reaching focus 10 and OBE experiences. Frank has some fantastic posts on phasing (two different things by the way). And those are just two. There are descriptions of various methods used to reach MABA (mind awake/body asleep) as well. I would suggest checking there first and then post any questions you have from there and we'll be glad to help as much as we can.

You could also meditate with your eyes open. This can be done while staring at an object (flower, picture of nature scene, whatever) or you could simply stare in to space at nothing. Your eyes do not need to be closed to meditate. In fact, you do not need to be still to meditate either. There are moving meditations, from simply walking to tai chi.

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For me, floating is something I have to do, like walking. If I don't focus on floating, I stand there as well. But when I do walk while out, it feels and more like walking on the moon -- very bouncy and light with very little gravity.

Its pretty common to reach the stage to project and then do it multiple times in one instance, like you described. And rolling out is usually how I exit as well.

As for the ladies, the fact that they were aware enough to understand what you meant, makes me think they were probably real entities and not dream characters, although there isn't enough info to make a good determination. Next time you see them, ask them their names and what they are doing there. Often you can find out information from them and then research it when back in the physical and confirm your experiences. For me, I can sometimes tell by the way someone looks while out. Dream characters have a different look and feel to them than real entities. But I'm not sure how to explain it.

What you have described sounds like OBEs to me. Your body being numb and unable to move or paralyzed is called sleep paralysis. The fact that your mind is awake at the same time is what is called the "mind awake/body asleep" state. Its critical to achieving OBE. Many people OBE in their home or childhood homes. Sometimes you consciously find yourself somewhere unsure of how you got there. Basically you are unable to remain conscious during the complete transition to wherever you find yourself. Being unable to see at first is also a common side affect. With practice, your sight starts to awaken, as you've described.

As for hearing noises, seeing people, etc, it is not uncommon. Who and what they are is a seperate issue. Sometimes they are other people who are also OBE but usually unaware at the time. They just seem to wonder around almost like zombies -- they are harmless though. Some of them are dream characters. Even though you are in the etheric plane, all planes respond to thoughts, feelings, and consciousness or awareness. Meaning you can be aware that you are OBE, but if your awareness level (also called lucidity) isn't very high, you will also perceive a lot of dream overlays, which can make the etheric and astral planes seem extremely strange and distorted. But its all related to your awareness and perception at the time.

It is also possible to meet other entities while out. I don't recall meeting any in the etheric, but I have done it quite often within the astral. These people could be deceased individuals or others (guardian spirits, angels, whatever you want to call them).

Fear is the last thing you want to take with you when traveling though. You really should try and work past any fear you have. Because whatever you think or fear while out, you will start to experience. You don't HAVE to experience it, but because you were thinking of it or feeling it, you WILL experience it. Essentially you create your own experiences while out. So I would try and work through whatever fears you have of doing this before you try it again. You may end up scaring yourself so bad, you never want to do it again.