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Okay, now I see the direction. Sorry if I muddied the waters a bit.
On with the show!

Sounds like a great experience and a significant event if you had multiple OBE exits and it can be very taxing since you don't know exactly when it will end. Ya gotta love those 4am exits! And it ended possibly with a Guide taking you by the hand for a flight through space? Awesome experience! Lose the fear and always know that you are protected; that's a key thought to keep in mind going forward.

Like Xanth recommended, notice your senses...it's a perception of the forms of the old ones and the realization of the new senses that will become open to you.

And like Lumaza said- the expression 'surrender to the experience' does not imply total capitulation, but a relaxing and trusting of events as they unfold...another expression for it is 'go with the flow'.

Nicely done!

EV

History repeats, a good idea a year ago, a good idea now. What a turbulent year that makes us forget that Lumaza started this selfsame discussion just last February, lol.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_pulse_island/back_to_astral_island-t47872.0.html

Astral Pulse Island is a perfectly good target destination, so we may as well continue with that. The Island has had enough NP activity and thought energy put into it that the energetic construct no doubt exists. There were excellent ideas and a good start was made, so I would suggest a re-read of that thread. Then we can discuss some additional ideas that could be tried to see if better results can be had.

Since shortly after the start of that thread, I did the Starlines 1 course at TMI. Every session involved "partnered exploration", meaning we would all attempt to meet at Focus 27, reinforce our group focus and then move to Focus 34/35, and then from there we would visualize and board a starship which would then take us around the galaxies and even further out to Focus 49. Honestly I'm not sure how proficient a group we were. We had a few really good experiencers who came back with lots of information but most of their experiences seemed independent of anyone else. The rest of us struggled with intermittent successes. Reflecting on the whole course, I did learn a better appreciation for how important certain conditions needed to be met. Lumaza excellently described these conditions a year ago, among them- commitment, practice, techniques, etc. I added some ideas as we all did. Now we have Omcasey contributing the ideas of 'crossover experiences' and 'targeting', both of which really resonate with me and will comment on.

Also, in re-reading Adrian's opening thread on AP Island, he reminded me of another component we should consider to better refine that 'targeting', and that is the idea of Sigils, both general and personal Sigils. As an example, one idea may be to incorporate within each of our personal Phasing techniques an agreed upon Sigil that marks a door we must move through, it also could have the picture of API along with it. The idea being that we begin creating an energetic trail or path to the Island. And you create your own personal Sigil as a method to 'mark' your path every time you find a proper place to leave it. Think of leaving a breadcrumb trail or a set of piton spikes hammered in across the face of a mountain. Each time we make the journey, we have these energy markers to subtly remind us and guide us, and yes it works to varying degrees for different people so it's a worthwhile idea to consider.

'Targeting' in my mind is important to keep it simple so all of us can agree and remember. Example- We use our personal Phasing technique which includes the doorway Sigil and API picture, we visualize the Island and imagine ourselves there and then maybe a courtyard(or maybe a Tiki bar) with a crystal to re-energize and strengthen the group focus and if the experience takes hold we go with the flow and move forward, also remembering to drop our personal Sigil here and there in interesting places (like your chair) so we can revisit them. If the experience does not take hold on its own, then we employ the Bruce Moen technique of "priming the pump", that is by continuing to imagine the Island and imagining conversations and interactions with others; I initially discounted and disbelieved this technique but have since found it can work amazingly well, such as when you imagine the start of a conversation and then it takes off by itself. Believe me, after 3 days at TMI with no experiences, I was ready to try anything and it worked!

And then we need a Purpose, a simple one at first. Like get to the crystal and imagine the group there and power it up and see what happens and what you notice. Or ask for a Guide and an introduction. Maybe a flight around the pyramid. Retrievals and Quests of Valor can wait for later, Lol.

Then there is the question of timing but since Time is an artificial human PR construct, then it really shouldn't matter...Everything has already happened and is and will be happening. Still, the human sense of Time does somehow affect Intent and experience in ways I haven't figured out yet, so a target date for each specific mission seems appropriate, but I'm not really decided about this. Weekends seem good but when you have something going on...that becomes difficult. Just an idea for consideration but how about a 'target' day of Wednesday which includes the 'window' of Tuesday-Thursday? A kind of narrowed 'Time Window'?

Some ideas to consider.

Finally, most of the links for API had gone inactive, but I finally found one.

http://www.astralpulse.com/astralpulseisland.html

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/nameless_everything_journal-t46764.0.html;msg371457#msg371457

GR, in this case the healing was felt as very subtle, an energetic and calming of energies...I will admit, nothing dramatic on the Physical level...but not that I really was suffering from any substantial issues. Severe stress at times, as I am susceptible to that...so the general idea of re-balancing energies was very acceptable to me. It is not like a specific condition was healed; possibly because I didn't have one at the time. So, to your question no, but that doesn't disqualify the experience itself but to only point to a more subtle level...which is kind of how it played out at the time. Another participant commented on being "put through the wringer" and I commented about the basic and prosaic quality that was, and then I mentioned my session...and our Trainer was calmly eating her lunch sandwich and commented that all this was normal energy adjustment just part of the course...so that simple comment became very significant, in fact it blew me out of my seat, there while eating a simple lunch. It was not just a simple recognition of her experience but also mine, and the fact she had seen these situations before...this was qualification and confirmation on a very direct level...comments at lunch, think about it.

So yes, that taught me something about difficult or nightmare experiences. But I really haven't had one since then...so I have nothing further to offer...have nightmares been reduced as a result? Because they're no longer required in the same sense? no longer a growth mechanism at the moment? IDK

The recognition and dealing with these states of mind is still an ongoing process...

EV

I'm sorry for your loss.
Many friends are departing. We can offer energy, support and prayers.

Hello T-Man and thank you for the compliment! I prefer Occam's Razor as well, even over an electric, lol. And five years ago, I likely would have put forward an assessment similar to yours; after all, she got herself out of a difficult situation, an artful dodge as it were. The arm bracelet was a seeming provided outlet to the experience so that likely lends to your interpretation, but maybe it is a subtlety and complexity of her NP awareness. I'm honestly not sure because this is, significantly, her personal experience.

Another good reason for keeping a Dream or Experience Journal. After a number of years, I realized that I had experienced this 'dodge' many times. For years, I thought I was gaining more awareness and response to situations that could result in nightmares and extricating myself from them. Then at TMI, I had the 'veggie chopper' healing experience and I remembered that exact scenario happening in a LD years before. It was memorable because it reminded me so much of the Resident Evil movie when the soldier is trapped in the hallway with the laser grid that multiplies and eventually slices and dices him...gruesome and absolutely an unavoidable situation. So I remembered that scene! And when it happened to me, I bailed!

But after TMI, I got to thinking about the nature and reason for nightmares and difficult situations like these. Are they actually different kinds of tests or learning opportunities than we normally discuss here on the Pulse and we just usually misunderstand them? So, I've been thinking upon this...

And the subject isn't in any books I've come across, which is most of them. This 'nightmare theory' may be one that I can lay claim to, or at least the pointing out of some of the more subtle mechanics of what is happening...

GR's experiences are just so good that it gives me the opportunity to ask these questions.

There is a lot in these experiences GR...but that is good, or at least it should be...suitcases can pile up...it means that your NP travels are providing results and opportunities for growth...and damnably difficult riddles and questions...but it sounds like you continue to get more of them.

This is my opinion and mine only...my perspective...but your experience does seem to parallel mine and a few others here at times and to some degree. Not sure if that implies connection or a fairly limited course selection that is available to us...maybe we are all just in the same NPR college...

This is an experience that you really have to question your gut feeling- I sense this as a failed healing opportunity. It's not surprising because these experiences catch us off guard and so much out of position. The last three spontaneous healing opportunities that I had over the last seven years...as nightly semi-lucid dream events...I failed them all...I just failed to recognize them for what they were. In fact, I came aware enough that I resisted and ejected myself from the dream and woke up each time. And I made the mistake of thinking that was some sort of successful NP awareness control that got me out of a possible nightmare or bad situation. I thought that for three or four years. I thought I was getting that much better at my NP mind control...I was wrong. I was mistaking a healing event for a negative event.

At TMI, I became aware of the distinction and in one session was put through an event that years before I had decided was a simple, nasty nightmare (the veggie-chopper)...at TMI I had the implicit trust in my own NP safety based on their curriculum, so I went through the procedure and realized the healing experience for what it had been all along. Then it happened again with another formerly rejected experience.

Years ago, I made the same fail...people surrounding me, a medical procedure that wasn't fully explained to me...I bailed on the dream and really had no answer for it. It does appear to be a difficult test- as events proceeded, my trust level just reduced to zero, until I said no more.

In your case, I would even point to the metaphor or the symbolism- You are challenged with communicating and getting across your message to the NPR. So you get a healing LD or an experience that leads to an operation on your throat...a tracheotomy possibly. There is a chakra associated with the throat and it has a link to communication within the NPR...hmmm...

This experience sounds like one that deserves further meditation.

First, I would say that I respect everyone's opinion.

This situation is pushing all our boundaries. Was this the 2020 Psychic Expansion some hoped for, or the Revolutionary one? The simple truth is the chances were more for a descent into chaos and control. Maybe it includes both the descent into chaos and the chance for growth. It's ugly but here we are, and like LB said, we chose to be here; to either just witness it but also to affect it. The whole thing is an incredible learning opportunity.

Whether ET's or otherwise, there are a lot of players in this game. Many of us "Olders" have wondered if and when this would play out...since the 60's...climate change, world disruption...it does seem to be here now...

I agree with the idea that the pandemic is an artificial construct, sadly a weaponization... the whole push to world domination, globalization...yes...that effort has not relaxed for 75 years...

Nonetheless, that leaves us as individuals in how we choose to respond. We fight for freedom or we accept control and slavery.

Good luck to us all.

MagikOwl,

That is an excellent description of the disassociation process. It has been described many times before but each time there is the chance that a new experiencer will notice a subtle part that resonates with them in that particular moment.

Once we gain a certain amount of competence operating in the Non-Physical Reality, we are faced with dealing with the concepts of "Fear" and then "Lust or Sexual Desire"...these seem to be consistent, next level issues...

In the most simple terms (it appears), the NPR (Non-Physical Reality) is testing us in our ability to control our most base, animal or human-based emotions...that being fear and sexuality. You can break it down or argue it any way you like, but over the years, we obviously come back to dealing with these two issues; it's in all the literature and it is here in everyone's earliest experiences. The issue is obviously one of control. Once you learn to control these emotions, you move on in your experiences. The NPR appears to have a definite graduation system. If you're dead, these PR issues fade away...still alive, and you want to explore the NPR, then you have to demonstrate control...

You have apparently solved your "Fear" issue...now you have to deal with the "Sex" issue...neither of them is easy, so stay alert...a fun fact of navigating the NPR is that we can give you the answer without spoiling the whole test! The difficulty is that you have to APPLY the answer within the particular Simulation! The SEX answer was given to us by Monroe some fifty years ago...and he apparently stumbled onto it by accident...

When you recognize that you are in a Sexual Simulation, you can either go with it and have fun!...or if you want a chance for your experiences to move to the next level, display some conscious control, and "defer"...don't reject the experience outright...just defer it to a later time...think and say, I would love to have sex with you now, but how about we do that at some later time?...there is somehow some distinction between the two degrees of responses...a deference of sorts...

I don't know about women, but that goes against any guy response...but that is what has to happen...

Your next few experiences, you need to carry forward these understandings.  
EV

A slight disagreement in semantics and maybe language,
Contemplating and meditating are two different activities emanating from the same base consciousness. One is active, the other more passive.
Either way is good depending on the current circumstance and the subject under consideration.

Contemplate with thoughts.

Meditate with no thoughts.

I can't add to much of the good advice that Lumaza has given pertaining to this issue but,

Sometimes we do get experiences in rapid or continued succession; I have had this many times. It seems that supposed 'normal' life, that is PR life, takes precedence for months or years at a time; then our NPR activities seem to flare up and catch our attention. I think that this follows our personal and individual life course that we have chosen; take some time and reflect on that idea.

Sorry about the previous, I am still crap about quoting...grrr...

Okay, I put quotes in...

 "Considering all things I am ready to put any disbelief aside and try to establish contact/communication. Whatever happens, I need to let the mental landscape show me versus trying so hard to exert will. Still, I thought, I'd need to telegraph that I am asking for instruction/guidance. "

This is exactly what you need to do. An excellent insight. And the 'asking' is appropriate and works almost automatically, just as you described it.

Whether 'Monjoronson' actually was involved is another issue entirely, but it is likely that you did open communication to some beneficial guidance...you just have to take some of these experiences on faith, so to speak...and figure them out later...sometimes years...lol.

" I wonder who is it that says my name in the beginning of these experiences? Another thought is that I am already in the NP state when that happens, and my mistake is in trying to further project by creating the idea of my body and then creating the idea of separating from it. So there needs to be a shift in consciousness as I become aware of this state."

Hearing your name is a 'prompt' of some sort; you can guess from where it comes. The rest of your statement is an entirely accurate assessment of your situation and a very important understanding of how you move forward. You don't have to make a shift from here...you already have! This IS the new state!

It is this realization that is often too simple and too obvious to realize...you will get it, and then smack yourself upside the head, lol.

It takes practice to properly anchor the awareness and then work from there, that's a good description of it. Just keep at it. The unconscious images are produced by your subconscious, possibly added to or modified by your higher self and are a mix of randomness/memory/meaningful/metaphor...there is a certain flair involved, personal only to you...in other words, you have to figure out your own personal imagery...

The recliner seems to be working...you are doing very well, go with the flow.

To all remember, reflect and rejoice in what we are shown in both good times and difficult times; seek the Truth and defy the Lies.

Peace to you and yours,
EV

Agreed with all prior comments. The "orb" was possibly a higher self healing mechanism or from completely outside, doesn't really matter, it was healing...the fact that it sank into your chest where the heart chakra resides...and yes, you probably disrupted it to some degree with your conflicted awareness, but don't worry about it too much...how would you know and most of us have more than one experience like this in our repertoire...this was 2018 and think about how much more you know, sense or 'feel' about it all now...this will continue to increase...

So the trick in all this is a balance between 'observing' and 'participating'...when to watch and when to get involved...it is an awkward and imprecise process going forward, so don't immediately doubt your responses...often there are no perfect answers...part of the fun, it seems, lol.

Even small steps forward are success.

An experience like this one is much more in the success category than a failure one. You have noticed that much more subtlety and sophistication has just been introduced; but initially you subdivide it into success versus failure, and that is just too severe a criticism. So many of these experiences now happen on very subtle, instinctive levels.

This for me, was a huge moment of rethinking and understanding the depth and levels of complexity to these NP experiences and it took time to realize. Your comments indicate to me at least, that your intuitive feel is developing, such that you are now subdividing your short experience into aspects of success versus failure. I'm not saying that you shouldn't reflect on it this way, but rather I'm suggesting you additionally recognize the "feel" you sense about one aspect versus another. This is your intuition sense and a key sense that is needing development to navigate the Non-Physical Reality. Every time now that you sense some information, realize that it is likely still far deeper than you first thought. It may or may not be, but a twenty minute meditation might sometimes provide more insight.

An example might be to reflect on the insight that you were somehow in a classroom with a teacher imparting information. The details are unimportant right now, your insight was the "feel" that this was a classroom/teacher...another likelihood was the acronym and location...again, the detail of each is not necessary right now but may indicate a slightly complex form of information that was communicated. It's frustrating to not immediately understand the acronym or remember the location, but we have to trust that the information was received on a deeper non-conscious level and frankly that is how some information HAS to be received. This still happens even for very experienced explorers.

The debate about Intent is an ongoing discussion. I think you need an Intent most of the time as it is closely linked to just how the NPR operates with "thought=action"...so if there isn't something specific you want, again I recommend the default. Sometimes you may find yourself in the Void, or at the tail end of a dream, kind of 'in between worlds'...you can just sort of idle there and see what shows...learning when and how to go with nothing or a small bit of something is also part of the process and the adventure.

Hope that gives further thoughts,

EV

Hello and welcome to the Pulse,

You are doing fine and you don't need to get any deeper into relaxation; you are getting great results just where you are. What you need is a little more information on where to go from where you are.

You said- "The strong visuals just fade away and I am back to square one."

Kind of like looking at your computer screen and it's blank with just the cursor sitting there, blinking...? Feels that way to me. It's you, it's your system, your NP or Non-Physical awareness and it's sitting there like a computer waiting for you to give it direction, a command. This is where having an Intention comes in. We discover the idea of Out Of Body experience and we do all the necessary preparation: we eat light, don't consume alcohol, clear our mind, meditate, go to bed at reasonable hours...and when we find ourselves at the doorstep of Infinity...we get the blinking computer cursor and don't know what comes next...

JK, if you can consistently get to this point you have described, then you are already there! The Void is a great destination just in itself! Ask your most important questions! Ask to be shown something new which will enrich your soul! Prepare to be surprised in a big way when your higher self or someone else answers...

Otherwise, decide and declare your own Intent to do something, learn something, visit some one or some place...this is now where you apply your Intent. The Non-Physical, the NP, is all about Intent...and learning how to properly and responsibly apply Intent. That's why we start off in this dreadfully slow to respond to Intent place called Earth...ugh. lol. You can passively follow one of those fading visuals and see if it pulls you into a scenario or once it all fades, ask your question or apply your Intent. If you are seeing the black Void and that velvety kind of starfield, just let your passive gaze gently rest on one area and if you feel the 'pull' go with it and it will likely take you into an adventure.

Also, check out the first Board, the highlighted blue 'stickies'- The Void, How I got out..., Signs, Symptoms..., Tests, Quests...all good stuff...or buy my book on Amazon and at stores near you...kidding...

EV

Hey tides,
Some ideas-

Your 3am effort is a good idea but needs some adjustments. Plus, don't wear yourself out over this with two jobs and lack of sleep; progress will come at its own pace. Your 3am effort is largely described by WBTB if you haven't heard of it or Wake, Back To Bed...it is a method that works for me as I have difficulty shutting the mind down without simply falling asleep. WBTB typically targets that 1-4am window. Your idea about moving to 5am is a good but different strategy also. The reason being is that we need to get the physical body its needed rest and recuperation of at least 1 or 2 or 3 sleep/REM cycles. Somewhere in there we can search for the proper ratio of physical relaxation versus mental alertness, not too much of either. You will have satisfied that requirement if you target a 5am wakeup and just lay there drifting in the hypnogogia, simply passively observing...that works for many people. WBTB targets just after that second or third sleep/REM cycle but the trick is finding the balance that keeps you just mentally aware enough to observe while your body falls back into sleep. You can just lay there, but you will likely just fall asleep again. So you have to get up and stay awake for awhile and there is no set standard except maybe 15 minutes to an hour. And you do something monotonous or simple...read for half an hour, fold clothes, listen to late night talk radio, wash dishes...you don't go for a jog or lift weights. The idea is to wake up and get your mind moving just a bit, without signaling your body to wake up and power up for a new day. This way, in half an hour or an hour (my target window is 45 minutes) you sit in your recliner or slip back into bed, maybe prop yourself up with pillows and observe as your body falls back to sleep. The timing is always tricky and imperfect for obvious reasons. Have an Intention in mind and state it internally a few times...you have set all the conditions for an OBE, but you still need a purpose for the trip- a piece of information, a destination, a person to visit, etcetera...this needs to be declared and stated as your Intention; it's like loading a computer command. Without it you likely go nowhere.
If you can't think of an Intent, there is always the default command- Take me to where I can learn the next thing I need to learn

EV

Getting back on track or re-threading, as it were (nice to have you back Nay!)...Nameless mentioned a collective experience or a partnered-exploration. In my experience, it is real and possible but it does take dedication and determination and maybe a bit of collective timing.

I am certainly no expert at partnered exploration but have had some experience and some limited success.

At TMI, some of the sessions in Lifeline, X27 and all of Starlines involve partnered exploration. If you read Bruce Moen's books, you find that he learned a technique and accomplished this amazingly well. Six or so years ago, I initially doubted and rejected Moen's 'prime the pump' visualization technique as I read his first two books and put them aside; they just didn't fit with my experience at the time. After going to TMI for the first couple week-long courses, I learned the hard way that Moen's technique described what I was having difficulty with and proved to be one of the answers to my issues. After that, I read the rest of his Series and found it a map for my future Starlines course.

We have tried partnered exploration with Astral Pulse Island, with Bee's Barbecue at EIC, with very limited results. Personally, I didn't get much if anything. I think the reason may have to do with establishing a common Purpose or Intent.

At TMI, we had the common Intent to do a Retrieval or in Starlines to explore the galaxies. I definitely saw fellow members in my Retrievals. At Starlines, I recognized fellow members on the starship we collectively visualized; I had one experience with another participant that was simply undeniable of the fact. But beyond that it was incomplete...we explored the galaxies, but for those who remembered, it was solo journeying, as it was for me. And we just have to accept the fact that not everybody returns with the same memories or experience; it varies greatly for many unknown reasons.

Casey mentioned two conditions: One is learning to exercise our NP muscle memory (this is possibly a most important idea) and #2 is learning to recognize and accept what she calls 'crossover experiences'...I have to give this idea credit as it is what I've been doing for most of my life...if I couldn't make sense of my personal experience at the time, I had no choice but to relate it to the next nearest thing...this has its own price...this price and reconciliation can come decades later...

So, if we try this, I recommend a NP collection point and a definite Intent for a destination or action. We meet here, then we go there or do
EV

I have read of experiences like this, 'contract discussions and informal signing ceremonies', on this site, others and in some books. I think that I had a couple of these experiences but they were quite vague and some ten or twenty years ago. This again, is a reminder to write all this down as best we can in a journal, even during those years where it seems relatively unimportant...just notes or comments can be so valuable years later.

GR, I'm not sure about the earlier experiences you referred, but this one likely does involve interaction with a sentient being on the helper/guide/higher self level. The scene/situation is your individual interpretation of the energy structure you are operating and interacting within at that moment. This is an example of the 'agreements' that we sign onto as part of our entrance into the PR. Those are certainly mysterious documents; I would surely like to review mine...

It may be what seems to be an incomplete and slightly confused interpretation but nonetheless a fairly accurate one. Strange how they tend to end in such a disorganized sense; I've had that more than a few times. Lol.

EV

Personally, I'm not aware of any alternate reality lives in my dreams and that may have to do with what appears to be a near complete memory block of any prior or alternate current life other than this present one. I have seen evidence that the memory 'screens' are very effective in my case. With that said, in my dreams with any level of self awareness, I always know instinctively that I am ME, this fairly concrete and solid sense of ME...it just seems to always be there in varying degrees. I am usually the present ME, whether in a different environment just seems irrelevant. Other times, I am playing a part as someone else, but I am always present as ME.

My only true merging, I felt to be in my Fieldtrip experience, where I occupied the mind of an alien for a few minutes. In another Retrieval experience at TMI, I assumed the body of an Indonesian Emergency Aid Worker: small stature, thin male body, tan...that was a body-type that I instinctively took on in order to be believable and acceptable to the people I was retrieving, yet I was still ME.

Welcome to the Pulse, tides!

You already show a good basic understanding of the energetic activity that is encountered during our early OBEs and I will second the advice given by both Lumaza and GR.

I would like to reinforce a couple of their points and offer an opinion on one other topic you mention-

GR commented about the use of telepathy and she is right about that being the common form of communication in the NP.  It is quite normal for our early OBEs where we attempt communication by 'physically' speaking and it invariably comes out garbled and confused and ineffective. It takes several experiences and attempts in this old-fashion method where we eventually give up and reconsider our method of communication. It actually may be that during this re-considering, it occurs to us that our thought process is actually beginning to somehow get our message across to our target audience. Learning this new method of communication is learning to combine our mental message along with an emotional component that expresses the 'feel' of the mental picture we are sending, and these are wrapped in a binding element of 'Intent' that packages the whole 'feel/think' message into a kind of thought balloon like you see in a comic strip. And once you form this 'package", you send it. And when it happens properly, it can be instantaneous; both the sending and the receiving. So that's one way to conceptualize it.

Lumaza spoke about the necessity to drop the fear and he is right. Always know that you have Guides and Protectors and of course, the Divine watching over you in whatever fashion you prefer. When you describe that 'zeroing in effect and the presence that leaves you feeling vulnerable'...many of us have experienced this fear and know just how palpable and extreme and 'real' it can feel. This is all part of the hypnogogic sensations we feel at this point and we simply have to trust and push through it. It may be simply a safety check, an instinctive safety valve that tries to point us back to Physical Reality. And we know how powerful it can be; it has scared me off many times. Like the voices and metallic screeching, freight train roaring...it is simply noise that describes the process and serves to scare and distract us. This Hypnogogia typically lessens considerably over time and with experience, but does not seem to ever completely disappear for most of us.

Finally, you mentioned the 'voices' and possibly communicating with them or understanding some message from them. I don't think you should spend much effort on this right now, maybe later...I've had these same experiences and wondered if there were not messages hidden within that I just couldn't understand at the time. But I soon realized this was still just a part of the Hypnogogia gibberish that plagues our early exit efforts. It's all just distracting noise right now. Give it several months, maybe a year or so and I think you will start encountering beings that you will have the opportunity to have legitimate communication with. It gets progressively better as you go along.

Nice work so far!

EV

My reply likely will not resonate with you immediately because I understand the feeling of certainty you have for the emotions you sensed during this experience. I would ask that you think about it, consider it and maybe ask your guide(s) for some clarification.

Maybe 5-7 years ago, I had a very similar experience: I was in a barely lucid dream and in a doctor's office. He closely examined my teeth and determined that I had a problem which I took as meaning cancer of the mouth. He put me in a wheelchair and wheeled me into an outdoor operating theater and put an anesthetic mask over my face and I began breathing a purple gas. I had, by now, become increasingly anxious and suspicious of the whole affair. Then a crowd of strangers surrounded me as if to observe the operation. This was finally too much. It felt like the LD was devolving into a nightmare and I struggled and resisted until I broke free and woke up. At the time, I thought that was all it was, a nightmare and maybe a test of my ability to pull myself out and back to PR awareness if I had to; I couldn't make much sense of it otherwise.

It was at TMI that I gradually learned some things about myself. My Lifeline training had involved much work with the color purple- purple oceans, purple landscapes, purple hells and just plain purple energies. As a child, when the other kids described their favorite colors, they always chose blue or red or green or yellow...my automatic choice was always purple, even though that seemed out of the ordinary. At TMI as I toured the hospital in Focus 27, I was in fact told by a helper there that all the purple was healing energy for me. He also had me undergo a "balancing" therapeutic exercise that I had originally experienced as what I considered was another nightmare that I had "escaped" from- the Veggie Chopper.

There in Focus 27, I realized that years before I had been wrong about the Veggie Chopper dream, mistaking a healing experience for a nightmare. At that moment I also remembered the Doctor/Dentist Chair experience with the purple gas anathesia and I realized that was also likely a healing experience, but I had misunderstood the purpose, gotten fearful and rejected it.

GR, it seems likely to me that the "demon" with its hands behind your back and on your chest, you could feel something energetic happening. Maybe it was adjusting your energy around your heart chakra or your solar plexus chakra? I have had little "protector" thoughtforms removed from the Heart center more than once; it is also a center that likely needs balancing/adjusting for many of us.

Again, in NPR thought can instantly manifest and fear or suspicion can instantly derail our experience before we even know it; this could be an instance of that. Again the similarity of our experiences on more than one occasion certainly points toward this, so I hope you will consider it and maybe ask for clarification.

EV