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Adding to what Nameless wrote,

soki-

I want ask some questions because I think that your answers may help us to provide some specific answers that may help you. As I read your profile and look back over some of your posts, going back to 2015, I see that you have a very accurate and thorough knowledge of the 'Phasing process'; you actually describe it very well in the advice you have given others! But the problem you had at that time appears to be that during your experiences you were not attaining the higher level of awareness you were searching for, so you became a bit frustrated and began to doubt the relevance of the Phasing process. That particular difficulty appears to be a common issue for all of us as we learn at this stage. The answers can be elusive and we can often get distracted from the solution and lose the 'path' altogether. Now you have found the time to practice again but you seem to be wanting to try from a completely different angle- as you describe it, the 'traditional OBE'. I think that may be a mistake, but let's first be clear about our terms.

What is your idea of a 'traditional OBE'?

If it is the idea of an 'etheric projection', one where you float out of your physical body like a ghostly form into the RTZ, then I would agree on the definition but disagree that this is what should be your goal. The etheric OBE is good and perfectly valid but in my opinion is an inferior version when compared to the Phasing OBE. Why? Because the first involves activation of your awareness within the etheric energy body and the Phasing OBE involves the activation of your awareness within your astral body, which is more complex in both form and function. So I wonder if a natural form of resistance may actually be at work here. It's like having learned how to drive a car, yet wondering why you can't find your bicycle...you have moved beyond the bicycle, so you no longer need it or can find it. Now with some work, you may still achieve that etheric OBE, but it's not really necessary at this point; you've actually progressed beyond it.

Sleep Paralysis- What you are describing is not sleep paralysis, but it is very close. SP occurs during REM/Dream state and when we happen to gain awareness as we move from sleep state to sleep state. I have never heard of anyone purposely achieving SP from an awake state. So it is not something you should aim for, simply because you don't have to get that deep. Instead, you should aim to achieve the MABA (Mind Awake Body Asleep) state also described in the Monroe/TMI system as Focus 10.

And the good news is- that you are already there. You describe it very well as your borderline SP state. You don't have to take it any deeper, you are doing excellent to just get where you are. From here in F10, you can either have an etheric projection or play with the visuals and make an astral exit like you were doing several years ago.

So you were having some Phasing experiences but they weren't exactly what you were expecting; you could not control them quite the way you expected, and your level of awareness did not increase like you expected. Or, at least, that is what I assumed from reading your previous posts. These difficulties are apparently normal at this stage and there can be many reasons for them...and it can be damn hard to figure out. I went through the same difficulty. My experience has taught me that this is actually a very important stage in our development. These are some suggestions for possible reasons:

-You are being guided to realize the difference/significance between the etheric and astral states and their energy bodies
-You are being guided to realize just how important a destination or an Intent is required to stay involved
-You are being guided to notice that your Phasing environment is being manipulated by someone other than you
-You are being guided to realize that certain NP 'cues' or 'triggers' or 'signals' are being used to guide you around the environment
-You are now within a guided Simulation constructed for your learning
-You are now expected to realize that there is an instructional program available to you, with guides, teachers and trainers
-Realization may also involve a commitment of sorts to help and be a part of the greater Work that is required

I was stuck at a similar point until I realized and accepted much of this, so maybe it is something to consider. From reading your earlier posts, you have a great talent for this art. Hope some of this makes sense and helps.

EV    



 

Oh yes, 'hierarchy and order', indeed!

Awesome responses from everyone and I know that some of us have greatly desired for the discussions to venture into these depths.

I think we may be there. This is what we all hoped conversations on the Pulse could strive for...and I think that only the Pulse could deliver.

Many of us have had experiences where our application of empathy has been tested, and also a test of our ability of "discernment", or when to apply that empathy.

I will restate my minor point that Source has a purpose to learn empathy through our experiences...maybe it is better expressed that Source desires parts of itself to better learn Love and Empathy...and how and when to apply it. Maybe that lesson/insight is just not as available within other parts of the Wider Reality; maybe it can best be learned only here in the Physical Reality.

Among the many insights we may realize within the ELS- the Earth Learning System- maybe this lesson of empathy is the unique and singular lesson that much of the rest of the Multiverse cannot teach us.

In a paradoxical kind of way, this is what we have all had to learn...that despite living in an Earthbound, predatory world where pain and danger and death exist nearly everywhere and at any moment, we eventually discover through our dreams and NP senses that whole new worlds exist and that we are mostly (it seems?) safe within them, even to the point of thinking we cannot be hurt. And this NP Reality is actually where most of our greater existence is to be experienced?! How am I supposed to rationalize that from here in the ELS where I am eventually challenged to learn that my own living sacrifice should sometimes be for the good of my family or community? How do I properly incorporate that within my 'worldview'? Apparently this is an incredible and quite unique insight only available from the PR and maybe unique to our little planet.

So, consider it from the other side, the NP side. It is cool how coincidences of timing work, so I will reference iceyhot's thread on the "euphoric" world where absolutely no difficulties exist, this specific thread being a current discussion topic. It does sound nice and I would definitely want a few weeks there, but the point was made- what can you learn from there? We can travel instantly to where we want, we can telepathically communicate instantly, we can manifest anything we desire...so the question becomes- how can learning occur?

So, as Earthbound entities, we learn in the hardest, most difficult way possible: We arrive here with an instinctive, but mostly-forgotten, sneaky suspicion that we can simply manifest any change we desire...but we can't. And so we have to do it in the slowest, step-by-step method of intention plus action versus resistance kind of mechanistic process and it is just plain slow and difficult. And what does that teach us? Maybe something of the process and just maybe a little humility and some empathy...

And maybe that is an understanding and a skill worth bringing back to the Multiverse.

I have thought along the same lines as given in these responses.

I especially wonder at Nameless' excellent point and I think her characterization of Source "repurposing energy" is an insight that currently resonates with me.

Then again, maybe Source's purpose is to experience and learn some new aspects through all of us that are its expression within this Reality. Lumaza and some others have perhaps pointed towards possible insights our particular evolution may be directed towards- Love and Empathy. Empathy especially seems to be lacking in some NP environments such as Retrievals; and this consistently repeats as a quality earthbound humans can uniquely provide.

Maybe it's not that Source isn't aware of this quality, but that Source recognizes the need for the increase.

Good conversation.

In addition to the good ideas already presented-

You may have had enough experiences that you are now at a significant crossroads, an inflection point, a decision point. It appears that many of the more experienced people here, and others I have met, and including myself...that we all eventually came to a point where our experiences slowed or came to an absolute halt.

The realization was the same for everyone, including me...that in order to move forward, a recognition was needed, and an expression of sincere commitment to my service to the Non-Physical Community and the effort to improve the overall condition of our human existence, our spiritual development. And in my own case, this involved a series of affirmations that offered my commitment, over nearly a year. I'm not sure when or where the acceptance was granted, but in retrospect, I think that it did actually occur. And my experiences began to progress once again.

So that may be something to consider.

LB, i wish you good fortune in this endeavor! And tapping into that Creative Flow is strongly recommended. I do that in early morning hours when I can't sleep, foraging around the edges of sleep, exploring ideas, chasing plot lines and dialogue...and getting no sleep.
I grew up reading a lot of Sci-Fi, which grew to include Fantasy and then it all combined into SF or Speculative Fiction. Plus many of the Classic works- Moby willy (jeez-the auto-correct wont allow me to list the title of a classic novel! Okay Moby D*ck!) is musical, Hamlet vies for my favorite but that title currently goes to Frankenstein, which is simply an incredible realization and written by a 19 year old young woman.
Writing was always my best class and my instructors always encouraged me...but I suffered from the two perils of writing: lack of ideas and not liking or accepting my own writing style.

Not that I have the answer but part of it may be- Just start writing.

Another part may be to decide the message or central idea and then from that center, work outward to construct the rest. Almost like reverse-engineering.

And another- If you have a scene, then write it out. Then meditate, muse, fret and ponder where it may next lead.

EV

Erik,
I will second Lumaza's great advice and add a few points from my own experience. Reading your last few posts I am reminded of my own progression at this point: it was very frustrating at times because I did not have a more complete understanding of what feedback I was getting...I still did not know enough to know what I was getting versus what I was not getting. So your insight of the need for patience is exactly correct.

You are not getting direct OBE experiences but you are learning multiple insights about everything around the OBE experience. That is a definite phase of learning around this time, so yes, you are making progress. You are learning about your LDs and recognizing certain 'restrictions' about them at this time...a great insight. You have also noticed the quality of your normal dreams is increasing, another significant insight.

You got a hypnogogic whistle just like the alarm you set. That confirms two things: First, the whistle was a sign of Hypnogogia which tells you that you were already in the F10 MABA state; second, it was a playful joke from your subconscious choosing that particular whistle sound, a quality of dexterity to realize about your subconscious mind. Who knows, maybe it was a guide messing with you a little,lol.

At this point, if you haven't done so already, I would add a few nightly affirmations to help things along:

I am becoming more aware with each experience.
I ask permission from my higher self to have this OBE experience.
I know that I am safe and protected.
I grant myself permission to have this OBE experience.
Please show me the next and best lesson I need to learn.

Be sincere about the affirmation and offer a little thanks for the guidance you are receiving, that also helps.

When I was where you are now, I think this advice would have helped me, so I offer it now to you. Hope it helps and you are doing great anyway!

EV

Welcome to the Pulse, Athensis!
We look forward to sharing with you!

I don't think I know anything more...maybe just a little different...and this is the necessary difference that we provide each other...a slightly varying perspective that sometimes helps, sometimes propels each other forward. And if we keep our NP arms extended, we can sometimes catch hold of each other (as each of you has done for me) and we can somehow, in some mysterious, miraculous way...move forward...

My love to you all for this adventure!

We all get called to different duties at times, it appears. Maybe you were working 'Immigration'...lol

On a not so much more serious note, I like LB's characterization of MIB...and actually that maybe does further the immigration theme...

I think the vibes and blackout periods between experiences is definitely indicative of something more, rather than less...woo, wooo

Galactic integration laws...lol

Great experience!

PS

Maybe adding this to your tall horses experience...you are gradually being introduced to new NP/ET groups...

But then again, wth do I know...

So...do you think either the entrance into the experience or the exit from it was important? Any particular feel during one part or the other?

The "weird/unusual state of dress" tells me this was difficulty in interpreting/translating their various energies. Some was human, some was 'not-human'...makes me think of Leland's Otherwhere...

And you noticed the parts that made them-distinctly different...idk...

Seems like an experience you could meditate on during a quiet moment...as if you ever get one of those, lol!

EV

Great topic T-Man!

I have been reluctant to bring this topic up because I am still in the 'figuring it out' stage, but with your description, I think I am confirming my own pattern of development and maybe a fairly common course of development that may exist for many of us: The 'curriculum' as I have speculated before...

About 12 years ago, as I resumed my NP experimentation, my NP/dream characters soon became difficult to communicate with: their words often became unintelligible and my own responses started coming out like barely-verbalized gibberish. Maybe the 'system' somehow allows for what seems like normal, verbal communication for awhile, but at some point in our development the 'system' pushes us to learn a new way, NVC. This problem persisted for several experiences until I had my 2011 Fieldtrip experience, which opened my awareness in several incredible directions, the first being my education in the understanding of NVC and telepathic communication; and it has continued since then. This appears to me now, to be a natural phase that we move through.

Years later, I can look back and now see the progression; and this is being confirmed by experiences such as T-Man, Karxx  and Nameless are describing.

As you are learning it, it is a combination of, at times directly thinking about just how to do it, while other times it happens quite naturally and intuitively...so I would say to just be open to either requirement or possibility. The ability seems to develop very progressively, so it is one to be 'allowed'...and it will develop quite naturally. For me, it has been a huge milestone and a real pleasure to watch as it develops. This seems to be a point where the overall NP learning picks up speed! T-Man, your recognition of the fact is a great sign of the progress being made. You will be challenged to put this ability to use in future experiences! Enjoy what is coming down the road!

I think Nameless is right: More highly-developed beings can 'read' us and our thoughts, so our suspicion that our nvc was less than complete is actually a good recognition of where we need to sharpen our skills; sometimes they make it easy and complete our thoughts for us and other times they sit back and watch us sweat in our own desperate inability...but this is how we learn.

For me, NVC is another example of utilizing Intent. Receiving a telepathic message or a bigger, more complex thing like a ROTE is maybe a more natural function. For me, it was like receiving a text or an email or a pdf.file... the download or translation was automatic and instantaneous; maybe it seems easier because the communication was designed for us. But there could be gaps in the translation and they appeared like ______...there is not a word that fully describes it, you just sense the ______.

Forming the message you wish to send seems to require a little more work such as applying Intent, and the message is a kind of gestalt of words, emotion and Intent...like a comic strip thought balloon, but with some 'feel' added that helps magnify the message or convey the emotion of it. Then with a little Intent, you push it outward towards the recipient and feel for a response. You know when you are with an advanced being when, while you are 'pushing' out the message, you realize that they have already 'read' your thoughts/message and sent a response, lol. You then realize that you are additionally learning of just how fast these transactions can occur...

Good conversation!

On one hand, a tale of 'angelic' transport to a snowy mountaintop to gaze upon a far off wondrous city. On the other hand, an encounter with un-named and untamed 'beastly' power as your escort.

A lot of powerful imagery to work out there, LB! Nice one!

EV

One of the challenges in discussing experiences that often defy description is starting with an agreeable set of terms and definitions. Even amongst the more experienced members here, we have minor differences on certain aspects of this subject, so we necessarily allow a little latitude to one another.

It is good CEO that you have this 'frame of reference' to work within; we all need some template of reference, especially with this art. I'm not sure from where the 5 layers concept comes from, and I can appreciate its perspective, but I would ask you to refrain from using it here because it would only serve to confuse the current discussions. Use it for your own reference, as you see fit and as long as you want; we all are doing that in our individual interpretations; but for purposes of discussion here, we try to keep the terms to an agreeable minimum, and even that can cause some occasional grousing, lol.

For instance, we recognize and sometimes discuss these OBE experiences from these templates-

Physical Reality (PR)/Non-Physical Reality (NPR), Wider Reality (WR), Dreaming/Lucid Dreaming (LD)

Robert Monroe's Focus Levels- 3,10,15,21,23-27,34,35 and beyond

Frank Kepple's Focus Levels F1/F2/F3/F4 (which is fairly close to what you describe)

The Occult/Theosophical/Hindu Model (and this can also relate to the idea of Chakras):
Physical Plane/Body
Etheric Plane/Body (RTZ but that is a bit misleading)
Astral Plane/Body (Lower-Dream Zone and Personal Astral, Higher/Public or Astral Proper)
Mental Plane/Body (Lower and Higher)
Causal and higher planes...

If you want to research how to turn a LD into an F3 experience, I would suggest reading the Frank Kepple Resource. If you are proficient at maintaining a Lucid Dream then you can command the entire scene to come to a STOP and it can then dissolve into a black, infinite scene we call a Void experience. Then with the proper Intent, you can move into an F3 environment. This maneuver can take some time to pull off and may require certain "energy body" development beforehand. Again, we are all different. It may take you a day or it may take twenty years...

Just understand, sometimes a series of small steps are required before larger steps...

Personally, I think LDs are a great method to work your way into the Astral. Just understand that Lessons, Quests and Challenges will come with it. You have to accomplish those before you are allowed to proceed. Your present Dweller issue is the first.

Here's a link that may add some ideas

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/the_astral_pulse_hotline-t47606.50.html

EV

You sort of premised this whole discussion with the question- Is this astral parasite/entity real?

The answer is both yes and no. Are you beginning to understand why it can be both answers at the same time?

If it only appeared once, twice or three times then I would say no, it is not real and your subconscious created it. If it has appeared many more times than that, then yes it is real, at least for you because you still did create it. Enough thought, enough emotion devoted to a subconscious creation "can" eventually give it enough energy to sustain itself. This is known as a thought-form and they can become troublesome, as this one has for you apparently. This "entity" is not real for me or anyone else, but obviously it is a problem for you. So again, do you begin to see the question of what is "real" and what is not "real" in a new light? And this is a perfect example of just how individualized our experiences can become in the NPR (Non-Physical Reality). I had a similar problem, but not to this persistent degree. The solution for you is still the same as it was for me, but you have to apply the solution; you have to deal with some fear issues.

You are making progress...you said you are still scared but "he didn't have the same level of intensity". That is progress and you recognized the fact. In the link I will give you are some affirmations that might help. You need to develop the discipline to use them at certain times like this one.

PR-based interference is my generalized description of the potential feedback issues experienced between the person becoming Non-Physically (NP) aware while still "in" the Physical Reality (PR) body. During an OBE transition/exit, if your awareness lingers either within or in close proximity (15 feet) to the physical body, all sorts of interference/feedback/fireworks is often reported.

Also, forget the idea of changing rooms or trying to have an OBE in the woods; this is not the issue. In your case, just try to find a quiet room. That may be one of your toughest challenges! Good luck, lol.

Read through this link and maybe some ideas will occur.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_members_introductions/hello_from_switzerland-t45993.0.html

A most excellent and timely bump, our friend Lumaza!

As I grow in this world and newly discovered other worlds, I slowly begin to appreciate this greater family that we do belong within.

Joyous holidays, warmth and good wishes to all and a wondrous 2020 to everyone!

Thanks for that link to CFT's comments on the 'Dweller', Lumaza, got me thinking on this a bit further. I used to think the 'Dweller' phenomenon was a kind of 'ego showdown' that we would be faced with further down the road of our progression through the art of AP, but maybe it reflects varying degrees of possible interference occurring at different times for many of us. In CEO's case, it may have culminated early because of a multitude of misperceptions. I agree with CFT that at times it appears externally-generated, and other times internally-generated and still other times a form of PR-based feedback interference.

Then again, maybe the 'Dweller' occurs fairly early for most of us, but like many other AP aspects described in occult literature it was clothed in arcane and mysterious language to confuse and frighten us away from the practice and doubt our own ability to learn unless we were admitted within that 'club'.

The question occurred to me that why can I relax deeply enough to manage an etheric exit with no problem? Or, why can I listen to a Hemi-Sync track and manage an astral or mental projection? All with absolutely no 'Dweller' interference. But if I become aware in the middle of the night, between or around REM periods, I can often encounter hypno effects and even a full-blown 'Dweller'?

The difference seems to me to be a question of the degree to which my subconscious is activated: With the controlled exit, my subconscious is kept to a minimum (visualization, Rundowns, etc.); but during and shortly after exiting REM periods my subconscious has been fully active creating dreams. As well as my chakras I guess. So the chances for feedback might obviously be greatly increased. This may involve a biological 'fight or flight' response, or chakra excitation, and as well, provide an opportunity for the higher self to insert any of a number of tests/lessons...

And in fact, I guess it is a kind of 'ego showdown'...it is challenging us to set aside our ego-based notions and ideas, especially our pre-conceptions and expectations in order to learn and move forward. The Dweller does in fact represent what is holding us back...hmmm.

Continuing...

A bit of my background: I have experienced Sleep Paralysis and alien abduction since the age of 5. It was absolutely terrifying, but mostly because I had no understanding, no proper frame of reference. It took me 25 years to get a handle on the SP and another 25 years to come to terms with the abduction phenomenon. But during all those years I read books and articles on abduction and possession and astral demons, etc. It was all a bit daunting and fearful. And now I realize that it was all mostly crap. The truth is, if you want to sell books, then fear sells...so the whole evil, grey ET abduction idea is pushed, as well as the astral possession/demon haunting, parasite thing is promoted in book after book and website after website...and it is mostly crap!

I am 99% sure that you don't have an astral parasite. This is a fear test put up by your higher self and through your subconscious. Thinking that it is an astral parasite/haunting kind of thing is just indulging your ego in a kind of romantic fantasy. I suspect that because I have gone through similar things; this is one fairly serious danger of exploring this stuff and it can throw us way off course. Don't get sidetracked by overthinking this 'parasite' crap.

CEO, you have recognized the hypnogogia/hypnopompia of your SP episodes. You also display an understanding of just how this 'tension' relaxes with lighter states of SP, hence the lesser 'dog' form...and you are exactly right that this SP state affords one the opportunity for an OBE. The problem is that SP is a very 'excited and energetic' state...a lot of signal distortion and interference can occur, and this shows up in the form of all the various 'hypnos' that can occur. Why? Because several of your energy bodies are simultaneously activated and your Focus is dancing between them out of control. Your Physical body, your Etheric, your Astral and possibly your Mental...I compare it to having four electric guitars leaning against their amplifiers, all in close proximity with the gain turned up...all you have to do is start just one string vibrating and the feedback will build to a crescendo. And the key component that is also activated is your subconscious, which holds a memory of every fear and doubt you have ever had. And your subconscious is also instantly responsive, like a little film director standing there waiting for your slightest request. You have a moment of doubt or fear and Boom! you get a scream, a gunshot...a little more fear, you get the dreaded apparition, red-eyed spook at the door...you get the hissing and growling...My own research into this makes me think that this 'feedback' issue has a lot to do with our Focus transferring to one of the higher energy bodies but we are still somehow in close 'awareness' proximity to the Physical body. So the answer often is to get away from the PR body as quickly as possible.

CEO, you have even made the insight that the only thing you haven't experienced is a smell! You have inadvertently pointed out all the categories of hypno experience...and I have little doubt that you will sometime get the additional sensation of smell/taste...lol. That is also a key to the ten levels of dreaming, but that is another matter for another time.

Are you beginning to get a sense of just how subtly your higher self is leading you through this fear lesson? It's a big one and a brute! And yet it contains many small insightful moments, a truly beautiful thing to watch, so thank you for this. And Lumaza, Nameless, T-Man and I have each given you subtle methods to try in order to find a solution. Ultimately you are the only person to find that solution, all we can do is suggest; it is a totally personal thing.

Here is another point where I think you have made some progress: Your latest experience has the 'entity' grabbing your crotch and alerting you sexually. That is a classic fear test moving to the next level, from a simple fear test to adding the sexual impulse. Now you have both the fear and a sexual aspect to deal with! I don't envy you, this is a brutal test like I said! Where do you think, down through history, all the succubus/incubus nightmares have originated from? I have been caught out and still get caught out by that one every several years...it is a tough one to avoid; and yes, we do get re-tested from time to time. And here again, you have a good insight but you are also prone to overthinking it: the sexual aspect has alerted you to the activation of your sacral chakra, so you noticed that but then gave it more prominence than it likely deserved...again be wary of overthinking. This awareness may be a signal that your awareness is still located in the sacral and needs to move upward towards the heart chakra, one more way to consider it.

We can try to give you the answer, but the true fun is working it out for yourself. The awful truth is that we can give you the solution...but you still have to APPLY the solution...and that is the truly difficult part and where understanding results. And you already suspect the answer but the difficulty is in discovering just how you must apply the solution.

Part of the answer is understanding that before you are allowed to go roaming about the Multiverse/NPR, you have to get complete control of your emotional state. Lumaza first pointed this out in stating that in the NPR... Thought Equals Action.

This fear/sex test is a perfect teaching mechanism for dealing with control of your emotional state and just how quickly the battle can be lost. You have, at most a second or two to center yourself.

Don't give up, you are actually making progress!

EV

CEO929-

I understand the frustration and doubt that you are dealing with; actually, I would bet that most of the Moderators and prominent members here have dealt with the same thing. My point being is that WE HAVE ALL HAD SIMILAR FEAR EXPERIENCES!

This is a form of testing that takes place when we learn to engage our Non-Physical NP senses and learn to navigate the NP Reality/Otherwhere. You could say that the testing begins at the front door! And we simply call it the Fear Test. There are countless small fear tests and then there are the big ones. This is one of the big ones, and they hit you with it right from the start, or at least early on, not for all, but it seems for many of us.

I am not absolutely certain whether it is produced from outside of us or an internal thing. Maybe it is a form of both an outer/internal safety mechanism, a biological/astral/mental safety mechanism that warns us away from venturing into the NPR. But one certain thing I know are the inherent commonalities reported by nearly everyone who experiences these issues, and that includes you. Your several threads started here at the Pulse describe the process very well and actually with as many questions that you share, also included are many accurate insights into your own situation. In almost every one of your posts, you have included the proper answer or insight without fully realizing it. That is fair; you ask questions and pose possible answers: the sign of an intelligent and open mind.

That's just how incredible and mystifying this form of learning can be at times! I can even see your learning advancing through this series of threads and posts. So well done! Even if you don't realize it at the moment, Lol!

I refrained from answering in your first thread because you got such great answers from Lumaza, Nameless and T-Man. They each offered you key points to consider and slightly differing perspectives on your situation. In your "Dog thread" I saw an opportunity to offer a fourth perspective, that of confirming affirmations, because you made the correct insight that the dog apparition was a lesser and more subtle form, based on your confidence and the lesser degree of SP (another of your accurate insights), but still a form of warning that you need to deal with some remaining fear issues. Now, you may feel that you have dealt with fear issues on an intellectual level, but I think some issues may still reside at a more subconscious level. And I found that if I couldn't confront them on an intellectual level, then I tried the affirmations to re-program things on a more subconscious level, and that seemed to help for me.

Because what I said in the Dog thread still applies: I believe your issues are bubbling up from your subconscious fears and doubts.

I will post this and continue in a few minutes...

Some more aspects to the question-

Am I eternal or not? If I am, is that by my choice and do I have the option of eventually bringing my existence to an end? Either answer, yes or no, brings more questions.

I have a physical body that comprises billions of cells, each of which can be argued to have some level of awareness and independence. Along with that are numerous thousands of parasitic/symbiotic life forms that inhabit my digestive system, my lungs and the surface of my skin, not to mention the occasional bacterium/virus that invades me. If I decide to die and disintegrate into the earth what becomes of all them. It can be argued that for them I am their God/Source.

Is my relation to my own God/Source defined by the same circumstances?

It does seem that a person's physical/mental/spiritual evolution has some bearing on these issues: maybe the higher we evolve, the more options open before us. But just how far might that actually take us?

Lumaza, I'm not sure we learn to "control" Time...I think that we just come to understand it. And, in the sense of control, yes maybe we learn somehow to work with it and utilize it to our advantage...and maybe advantage is the wrong word...but I have seen that in some of my experiences.

It definitely appears to be a serious constraint that we have agreed to for our current PR incarnation, here on Earth.

I still find it remarkable with my own Non-Physical experiences how the concept of Time sometimes utterly disappears...still haven't quite figured that out, but I still notice it, lol.

These two labels definitely did not work for me early in my experiences; but now they do...

Here and there...

But that is just not fair, lol...

Great question Mars! Like Volgerle, I'm not sure human perspective can provide an even barely complete answer.
And, like CEO, this question has fascinated me since early childhood.

First, the concept of eternity is plainly beyond the scope of human understanding...I have difficulty envisioning much beyond a thousand, maybe ten thousand years...not to speak of a million or billion years. How much change would...or could a singular ego/personality endure? So maybe that's where the concept of a Higher Self makes sense, followed by a Soul and maybe an Oversoul or SoulGroup...maybe my present personality is just a small, momentary aspect of that greater whole...if so, then my ego feels a bit threatened again. How much of the present "me" survives and for how long?

Or is it like going to school? How many of you remember your age 5 or 7 or 10 or 16 or 22? Each of those ages was "all that we knew" at the time, the sum and total of all our experiences...and yet we moved beyond it and can now reflect back upon each of those specific time periods.
Maybe we will have a similar perspective a hundred thousand years from now...or maybe a wider, more expansive viewpoint. Maybe all our experiences become subsumed within a greater Self.

And then again, as we are discovering, the concept of Time itself becomes a more relativistic idea, the more experience we have in Non-Physical Reality. Time does not necessarily exist from a NP perspective. So maybe "eternity" is a misunderstood concept from the higher, Soul point of view...

Still another question that I have seen some evidence of is the Quantum Physics theory of M or Membrane Theory. This describes the idea that our Universe did, in fact, have a beginning...that two or more Membrane- bordered Universes can come into contact and spark the creation of a new Universe/Multiverse. Does that possibility imply not only the creation of our new Multiverse, but also us and possibly our Multiverse's Source/God?

If that is the case, then maybe Time, or at least the concept of a Beginning becomes more of a consideration...

I'm not sure I'm narrowing the question or only expanding it...lol.

You guys have gotten closer to it than I have, at least from what I remember from my experiences.

During my courses at The Monroe Institute (TMI), we have made many attempts at visiting some of these areas which are accessed at Focus 27: The Reception Park, the Healing and Rejuvenation Center (the Hospital), the Education Center, the Re-Entry Center and the Library (which some feel strongly is the Akashic Records). I have seen and toured through a few of them, but not the Library. Whether these "places" are actually there in F27 at the Island TMI describes, or maybe just a series of "access points" have been developed and reinforced there, I am not sure. This is where language breaks down and becomes insufficient to clearly describe what we perceive in this Focus state.

MarsZM has the right idea. Just a reminder but in the Non-Physical Realities we are not physically going to places. We are accessing certain defined energy states where certain energetic structures have been formed, call them databases or matrixs or knowledge fields. And each of us can translate and interpret these structures in sometimes small or sometimes largely different ways from each other. The key is in determining their function. As an example, Lumaza has often described the Hospital as cathedral-like. In my case, I haven't experienced it that way; for me it is like a fairly modern hospital. I actually had a difficult time "tuning into the proper frequency" until I 'primed my visualization pump' by summoning my two young attendants from an earlier experience...which worked unexpectedly well. Another guy at TMI, who had not even experienced an OBE before, reported getting to the Hospital during the first session we tried. And yet, he was completely disappointed because it wasn't what he had expected, so he strongly doubted and rejected the experience. In his case, he did not find himself at the Hospital, but rather was floating in orbit above the Earth witnessing an orbiting space station like the one in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey. He went aboard and was shown by an attendant room after room where patients had been quarantined. This made no sense to the TMI student and the rest of the room had no comment, but I knew his experience was legitimate because it exactly described the difficult conditions for certain Retrieval patients that Lumaza has described more than once in his own experiences. It was an interesting quandary there at TMI: I'm sure the Trainers knew to just take it all in stride, but for the students, they were mystified by the man's singular experience. And yet for me, it was a 100% validation of the authenticity of his experience. This for me, is a perfect example of just how differently we can each experience and translate and interpret our experiences in the NP.

Regarding those awful things known as cats...

I'm definitely a dog guy...yet my neighbor rescued a boy and girl cat this last summer. The girl apparently found a home and the weather turned cold for the boy...who continually trotted into my yard to say hello and insinuate himself into my life.

So now he sleeps on my couch, intelligent little creature and perfectly behaved...

So, yeah, I get a bit of what Shine and T are talking about...when it comes to these feline complications...

What a great topic you chose here Nameless!
Wow, you put me to some deep digging!

As difficult a time I have in achieving NP experiences at certain times, I do still have some early memories.

I can remember still crawling in diapers, maybe 1 to 1 and a half years. I felt pathetic. I could barely move, short, stubby arms and legs. I realized that I was a whining, farting, little blob of immobile biology. I was telepathically aware of wherever my mother was in the house, as she was my direct connection to sustenance. I realized that I used to have the ability to transport directly to her, but now I had lost that ability. The weight and slowness of PR existence was overwhelming. I knew that I was losing memory of the NPR by each month passing...

Months later, I remember the freedom and fascination of learning to walk and run, but that almost always ended in a kiddie-crash of some sort...so that was always like a delight that I knew would turn into a disaster. And of course, eating, belching, gastric distress, farting, pooping and of course, the hateful weight of gravity and the godawful slowness of PR Time.

Then, at five I was taken by aliens and I also learned of Sleep Paralysis. At seven I was going OBE but had no understanding; followed by flying dreams and finally getting a clue to the whole shitshow by age ten through Marvel comics and Dr. Strange and his OBE abilities...forever grateful to you Stan Lee!

Yeah, I have a few memories...