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I asked the christians because they seem the most closed minded to this kind of stuff.

It is comments like these that just truly mystify me. They are completely untrue.

There is another religion where it is the death penalty for "this kind of stuff" and it isn't just an old antiquated tradition. They routinely hang people in the public square for this. Usually every weekend.

There is another religion in India where a family was murdered ... for the crime of eating beef.
Neither of these are Christian.

In reality, some of the major Christian sects are highly tolerant of much of "this kind of stuff". Look at Padre Pio (they made him a Saint) and others too numerous to list.

I wonder if anti-religionists will ever get over this bigotry.

I don't have a title for this at the moment. Maybe I'll think of one once I start.

I've had several lucid dreams over the years involving 'going to school'. Now I'm well past the age to attend school so these obviously are not about real life.

Anyway, what usually happens is a school bus is arriving, or I'm getting off a school bus, or I'm wandering around and wind up finding a school. Sometimes I am wearing a school uniform and am always younger than my current self. Now, these being lucid dreams, those are the situations I am in when I become lucid. I don't know why but every time I have this feeling of being pushed to enter the school. And every time I refuse (I do this consciously). That alone is odd behavior for me because in most lucid dreams I go with the flow, observe and learn without trying to manipulate the dream much at all.

I'm not looking for an interpretation of any one dream. I'm basically just looking to get your thoughts about this and see if anyone else has experienced a running 'school' theme.

The "school" theme is a classic symbol for aspirants who are serious about learning.

The bus is a symbol of group effort/direction.

Entering a classroom means you have chosen a course of study.

Refusal to enter the school reminds me of an old saying, "Sometimes you just have to get out of your own way".

visual scrying is key to both magick and alchemy.  Again do verifiable info first before doing esoteric so you know you can handle it with some accuracy.

You might actually try some stuff Robert. You seem nervous about getting out there and getting into it. I notice we never see anything but intellectual posts from you which to me means your either very shy or for some reason won't get into practical work.

  Remote viewing is an easy place to start and you have success very quickly. For modern people who are brainwashed to rely on intellect alone culturally it's a good place to start to break through that and really start to develop some useful skills.

It feels like you are doing something intellectual so it's not as intimidating as some of the other skills. I think that would be a more comfortable place for you to work based on what your posting here. You may want to work with that before you go into visual or audio scrying.

I didn't say I wanted to go into scrying. Wait, what? Perhaps you have me confused with someone else? "Nothing but intellectual posts"? This isn't even a little bit true.

I just did a quick count of one page of my post history and about a third of them relate at least a short reference to my practical applied personal experience on the topic. I recall one where I described a dream that morphed into an LD and went to the border of a beautiful astral realm. I suspect that I am one of the more consistently successful, long term practitioners of LD/AP/OBE and I am one of the most practical, applied knowledge type people I know.

I understand that a lot of people are intimidated by reason and logic and if a post relating personal experience is presented on that framework they can't see anything else but the framework. But that is no reason to pigeonhole someone who has made the effort to develop that skill. I am naturally a more feeling based persona. Getting to this point was a lot of hard work. I realize that this is off-putting to some people but that is not a good reason to drink the kool aid, imho.

[....] They looked at me speechless.  So I explained.  

"You see, I'm in a dream.  I'm having a dream right now, and I'm lucid which means I know I am dreaming.  I am able to hold the lucidity for a short while."  

Both their jaws dropped to the floor (not literally!)

I said, "Look, I'll show you.  I can do this."  And I floated upwards towards the ceiling, put my arm through the ceiling, and floated back down again.

They watched me, totally gobsmacked.  Neither said a word.

This is very similar to what I have experienced. I have tested this several times.
Not everyone in the non physical realms reacts that way but the vast majority do.
As it turns out the ones who do not react with fear are some of the most interesting people I have met while OBE (or in the body, as well).

so a group is needed cool

Yes, I do not know why anyone would try to use a Ouija board as a solo effort. Better to use a scrying mirror, bowl, etc.

It is a little like different types of card games. Solitaire is a solo card game and bridge is for a group of players.

I've never used one myself. They just don't appeal to me.

I haven't tried it since about 1960. It was a fad back then.

My older brother and sister used to feed me and my little brother questions which we would pose to the board. They were astounded at the answers that were spelled out before their very eyes... given that my completely illiterate little brother was in kindergarten and I was in 1st grade and could barely write my own name.

I made one of my own, but it didn't work, but I would like to use one, in a group setting, I always been fascinated by the paranormal, though I never had an experience......well once

You say you would like to use one in a group setting? Does that mean that the one you made by yourself did not work when you tried to use it as a solo user?

In my experience the Ouija board requires two users. I remember trying it alone and it did not work, either.

In a physical sense were not gods, but we can become God like, but it will take a while to reach. But first we must confirm what is a God, and for me a god creates, heal for the most part, but we do this in months, but a God does it in days. But I'm sure I'm thinking on a small scale, there is a lot more that a God does, and we as humans or as souls have barely scratched the surface. This is just my opinion. I think everyone must find their own way to God status in their on their own journey. I think I found my way to it, but I must test this theory first.

How many people have a clear understanding in their own minds of just what they would look like if they actually did get anywhere close to being godlike?

Not very many, I would say.

As a practical consideration it would have to be taken in stages. First one would have to exercise enough self control to know how to get through the day without committing any of the 7 deadly sins, without hurting anyone else, being kind and responsible... like my mom.

Finally one would rise to the level of having basically complete control over one's universe. One would be able to consciously move throughout the Universe at will, perform miracles, walk on water, etc. ... like Padre Pio.

From what I see, not very many people even come close to the earliest steps of ascending to godhood.

Take for example the way people behave in heavy traffic. A very large percentage of drivers succumb to anger over almost nothing. As an experiment a few years ago I started to toot my horn in a short burst when I passed jaywalkers leaning close to my vehicle as I passed by. I am astounded that easily 95% will flip the bird at me as I glance in the rear view mirror. Personally, I have never once in my life ever made such a rude gesture to any other creature on earth, ever... not once. And this is just a very small step in the self discipline arena.

For some reason in large cities very violent gangs form and they go about behaving in borderline DEMONIC fashion. Forget being godlike... they are one baby step away from demon status. Then just spread the net a little wider and list off the criminal behaviors -- aggravated assault, all manner of theft... if you look at the number of people who are shoplifters... I have family that works security and they say this is going on every day, all day long in virtually every retail store in the country.

Then if you look at the number of wife beaters and child abuse... then drug and alcohol abuse... fuhgetabout it....

Almost no one is even trying to be anything close to their God potential. 

Are we gods?

answer; NO, not even close.

Not even 1% of humanity is even trying.

A life lived to the full with purpose is still objectively equal to the experience of a life without purpose. They are equally valid. If you imagined that after this life time you would be reincarnating to experience every human life time one after the other it just stops mattering whether there is purpose. All there is to us is experiencing, so I guess experiencing objectively is the purpose and the meaning.

I don't understand what "valid" has to do with it. Same with "objectively equal"... so what?

Two men wait at the WorkForce office available as day laborers and they both get hired by a landscaper. At the end of the day they are both tired, dirty and hungry... but one is disgruntled, disappointed and angry at life in general while the other is pretty happy with what he learned that day, and he is excited about tomorrow hoping he can learn more about operating a fork lift, the backhoe and how to plant rosebushes properly.

The objective equality of the experience doesn't really mean much.

Each lifetime matters for people when they have a Bill Murray/Groundhog Day purpose. "Purpose" can be optimized to provide a cumulative benefit
reflected in a superior Consciousness.

All Raduga's study proved was you can hypnotize your subconscious mind to achieve a NDE like experience during a controlled lucid dream.

This sentence sums it up succinctly, Todd.
I stated elsewhere that this sort of claim is like a little kid pretending the box the new dishwasher came in is a rocket ship and he flies it to the moon in a game of wild imagination. Then he goes around claiming that he has gone to the moon. It is so absurd it is astounding that it is taken seriously by anyone at all. It is like saying Japan does not exist because I can make some pretty darn good sushi in my kitchen.

"It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy." Encyclopedia of Philosophy

I saw one graph that shows the use of this word gaining huge popularity in the years leading up to the Russian Revolution. It was indeed a very destructive movement that led Russia into a very long and nightmarish period of suffering and mass murder on a scale never before imagined.

Maybe this life is totally meaningless but it does not have to be without Purpose. But in order to have *purpose* one must make the effort to give it purpose. There is a huge percentage of the population that is just too lazy to make that sort of effort. In this case it becomes easy to settle into a nihilistic worldview.


ni·hil·ism.
[ˈnīəˌlizəm, ˈnēəˌlizəm]
NOUN
1.the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.

synonyms: skepticism · negativity · cynicism · pessimism · disbelief ·
unbelief · agnosticism · atheism

philosophy
extreme skepticism maintaining that nothing in the world has a real existence.

historical
the doctrine of an extreme Russian revolutionary party c. 1900, which found nothing to approve of in the established social order.

I have always wished to be able to stay aware while my body sleeps so I could make use of the full 24 hours per day. Dream Yoga sounds incredible.

If there is no direct dependency between sleep and the ability to project, can we also debunk the connection between dreams and chemical balance in the brain? My understanding is that dreams are connected to certain chemical releases - would you expect a walk-around projector to have a different chemical balance in their brain to a regular walk-around person?

@RobertForsythe
I am a little surprised that you call the dual awareness state a problem, isn't this ability something to strive towards? I thought it was a more advanced form of projection.

Yes. To be in the Lucid state 24/7 is like The Holy Grail to me. The connection to chemical processes need not be interrupted any more than an LD would interrupt this state.

It may not be a problem for those that know how to deal with it. It is a little disconcerting to feel both a projected awareness as well as body awareness at the same time. I felt like I was missing something on both sides.

Does the dual awareness state differ from the sleeping projection in your experience? I could only dual perceive at the borderline of sleep and fleeting between focuses. Some people claim to dual experience as they walk around. Why do we normally require sleep or near sleep for this?

The Dual Awareness is something that I think most frequent APers have to deal with. I pushed through it rather quickly in the early stages and it does not seem to happen much anymore. My wife gets it frequently and reports that it remains a problem for her even still, though it is just a minor issue.

My son reported this problem almost immediately when I taught him how to AP when he was about four or five years old.

Lumaza said;

The Tibetans' have a practice named "Tibetan Dream Yoga" whereas they stay aware the entire night as their physical vessel rests. I have had many nights where I stayed aware through the beginning stages and well into the Dream cycles. But I have never stayed aware an entire night. There were times that it felt like it though, lol!

I have searched for good sources on this "Tibetan Dream Yoga" practice and I have been disappointed at what was available. If you know a good source please share!

Music in movies is made just for this this purpose. Every musical score in a movie is used to create "emotion".

Here is a composer that is a "Master" at his craft. Each song creates not only a memory, but also the emotion you felt in the movie when you heard it. It is also a great video to just lie back and "notice" to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYa3DLEKS6E

"The greatest soundtracks from movie and TV of the 21st century, IMHO. Artists include Hans Zimmer, John Willams, Howard Shore, Ramin Djawadi, Two Steps from Hell, Audiomachine and more."

Wow -- Perhaps the all time best is not on that 'more' list because he is of the 20th century

IMHO, Ennio Morricone is a most notable Master of this craft - he did the Clint Eastwood flicks and The Mission among others;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5qlWLXbfL4

Welp, there's a number-based way of doing it. I haven't tried counting before though, maybe tonight I'll give it a go.

The real factor I think is the sleep you get beforehand due to the slightly unstable mental state you're in from waking up prematurely. Not sure if such a technique would work through deep meditation, I'd have to experiment a bit. (That means finding time of which can be scarce at times, lol)

I have found that 'counting' is one of the best ways for me to concentrate and focus. It is a basic component in my projection sequence. Also the odds of success go way up when I project after 5 hours of sleep. The 'sleep factor' is also crucial. I must have had plenty of sleep for several days prior to attempting a projection, otherwise I quickly fall asleep with the relaxation steps. Things like business travel or having a newborn or toddlers in the house also derail the sleep patterns and reduce my odds of success.

It'd be interesting to know which music they were using for those tests.
There are pleasant sounds to listen to and illicit a positive response regardless of what part of the world you're in.

The difference I find is when someone here on the Pulse says they meditate to heavy metal or something like that.
THEY find the sounds relaxing... while, it would just grind on my nerves. LOL 

Yes, I have heard that on several venues. I do not think they are aware of what is ideally happening in meditation. I understand how listening to metal music can be a certain type of release and relaxation. Back in the day, I remember listening to Jethro Tull at the end of the day and getting a stress release response. And my brother too, told me he would listen to Jethro Tull -- particularly 'Pibroch/Cap in Hand' when his teenage kids were stressing him out. I think it has 'escape' value. Maybe sounds like that help to unplug and hit the reset button. But I think there is no way it would help move the brainwaves down towards the Delta/4Hz region.

Pachelbel's Canon in D on the other hand, is like Valium in audio form.

As I recall the study used a range of sounds from melodic strings & woodwinds to Asian flute music to Middle Eastern styles to rock n roll with heavy syncopated drumbeats

Ah, but is it the music which is changing your "frequency"?  Or is it your association of what the music means to you which changes your "frequency"? 

There was a study done decades ago where individuals from various cultures around the world were hooked up to brainwave monitors and their response to various types of music measured.

Responses to a piece of music were nearly identical across all cultures. Even remote cultures that were wayyy off the grid and had never heard most of the music/sound they were exposed to showed the same universal responses.

Now the even bigger question is who is the arbiter of these mess ups? Is it our higher self, enlightened masters, guides? Who decides what kind of life you live next according to your works?

According to one respected author, (mostly consistent with many other Teachers)
Journey of Souls
Book by Michael Newton

Guidance is given by guides but the individual has the final word.

"Mess ups"? We were never promised a rose garden.

How come music can change our frequency so easily? And why is it so easy to store memories with music?

This is an excellent question!

I have wondered this myself and I really don't know but I think it may indicate that at our core we must be vibratory entities at a fundamental level.

Unless of course that both of you made a agreement before you incarnated that he was to be the bad guy (killer) and you were the good guy (victim) this time around! Someone has to play the part of the "bad guy". Which opens a whole new conversation on "free will". 

Well, I think it would be helpful if the OP clarified just what he means by "damaging for the soul".

Some say the soul can't be "damaged" and in the purest sense that is probably true but I read the question as  "damaging for the soul's growth/evolution". I picked lying because, moral or ethical considerations and 'white lies' aside (because that aspect is irrelevant), it is a continuous daily, nonstop chipping away of the integrity of the Consciousness on a Being level... and I would say that about 99% of humanity suffers varying degrees of this weakness, pretty much from cradle to grave. Here I am talking about the dark type of lies told to get money or exercise power over others and manipulate people (exceedingly common).

"Betrayal" is really bad, I agree, but most people only do this maybe once in their life maybe as a child or an adolescent and then they learn from their mistake and straighten up for the rest of their life. In this sense the mistake is actually constructive.

Murder is of course, really, really bad. Especially when the crime is a random act and the victim is a complete stranger. I read the teaching in one School how the Karmic implications of random murder are immeasurably huge while murder of a family member or close circle of friends is something that is worked out relatively more easily over the course of a few lifetimes (akin to what Lumaza was hinting at). But murder is such a rare occurrence and the circumstances between lives can complicate matters in this instance, so it is not so cut and dry. I have never killed anyone and no one I know has ever killed anyone (If my Dad and Uncles are not included for their service in the infantry in WWII -- I have mentioned that killing and murder need to be treated as separate things).

This is actually somewhat of a complicated issue. But there is no doubt that Hitler had religious leanings.

I am not aware of a single reason put forth by Hitler for invading surrounding countries that had ANYTHING to do with religion.
Economics, REVENGE (for WWI aftermath), National Ego, racial supremacy, etc... were up front and obvious... in other words, it was pure secular political business as usual.

As far as death of innocents goes, the political war known as WWII comes in a distant third place behind Atheist mass murderers, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.

The claim that religion causes wars and death is just so patently false on the face of it, it really is scary how so many people swallow the Lying Atheist propaganda on the issue.

Pretty straightforward question?

*THE* most damaging is a tough call, imho.
But I think one of the most really damaging things that is pervasive and insidious beyond measure would be Lying.

[There is more historical evidence for the reality of Jesus than there is for Socrates]

Food for thought..... Was Jesus real? People died, hurt, made war, killed many in the name of Jesus, and still to this day if you bad mouth Jesus in some place, expect to be killed. In other places his name will grant you all the giving's a believer could want, if you believe; Helping countless others in Jesus name.

Off subject some............
So weather JC was real or not in historic sense; means what? If you talk crap about him in this world and someone may kill you for that, or give you money and help you to have better life, if you have good words......How is Jesus not Real? Cause you can get killed dead via that belief? How fake is that? Real or fake? what the difference at this point?

Fools waiting for JC instead of using the abilities "god" gave them to use some GD common sense, and JC said The most important commandment: do upon your others as you would want them to do upon you, and that encompasses all 15, wait, 10 commandments.

If god made you then, then he put everything you needed to have in yourself for him to contact you, but guess most Christians believe he talks to random idiots, popes, deceivers(king James), and madmen to write books to tell the rest of the world his will.......please

As far as I know there are people talking crap about Jesus every day all over the world and I can't recall a single instance where they were killed for saying those things. Did the infamous South Park episode of Jesus and Santa get any of the writers killed? (Maybe you are confusing people talking trash about Jesus with Charlie Hebdo writers publishing a picture of somebody...?....)

Do you believe Socrates existed? There is more historical evidence for the reality of Jesus than there is for Socrates.

How do you know God put everything you need to make contact Him in you?

And just FYI... I am not aware of anyone killing in the name of Jesus. The Crusades were a looooong time ago and a plain and simple act of self defense as well. (Killing in war and bloody murder are two completely different things... that is why there is a word for killing and a different word for the different thing called murder).

  So, you'd have to take what's currently here and re-organize it in some way to form what you wanted.

I have heard others teach this as well. In physics it is called "Conservation of Mass".

There was a story I read around 1970 about a poor preacher with a church in a poor district of town. Suspicions were aroused when he began showing up at various places in town with plenty of cash and he was paying bills for people in need and generally helping the poor. A local police officer began an investigation and after a while some Federal officers showed up at his house and asked how he came by that money. They explained that they had followed him and checked out the serial numbers on some of the larger bills he was spending. It turned out that they had been withdrawn in large amounts by wealthy people who had traveled to Europe and had booked a trip home on a luxury liner. When they boarded the ship those bills were registered with the captain and stored in the ship's safe.

The ship's name was the Titanic, and these law officers were extremely curious how this money came into his possession. The minister explained that every now and then he prayed to God at night before bed to assist him in helping people in need. He told the officials that whenever God approved of his idea he would wake up in the morning and the money he needed for a specific task would be on his nightstand.

Man I wanted to play some bad, but can't get past the loading screen to sign up... was  looking forward to having a fun productive workout everyday. And that was very motivating to me. But it kept saying I couldn't find my GPS location so I never made it past the loading screen. Tried people suggestions as well. But I guess it probably would help if I had service instead of just Wi-Fi oh well, nothing else has worked out in my life so why should this.

It is good to be wary of this tech.

It may seem innocuous now but just a few more short technological hops, skips and jumps from here and really scary things can begin to unfold.

The real end is nigh when masses of people start accepting the injection of nanobots (to cure the disease of "ageing"). Sure the nerd squad will be vigilantly on guard but the final stroke will be a free upgrade that everyone has already agreed to allow... and it will all be over in a few milliseconds.