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Hehe, James good to see an epic, it seems the norm in this debate, wouldn't expect anything less.

I believe that also about our guides/angels/astral friends helping us out, being there for us & if religous people believe they have God on their side & believe they have faith in their God, why need weapons then?, wouldn't God or his minions be looking after you? Or have an ultimate plan for you?

In Islam/christianity & Judaism, probably all the others too, there is the most memorable of the commandments "Thou shalt not kill", so is there an exception to this rule somewhere? a hidden sub-clause? Or is it only a suggestion & not a commandment? Because it seems like it's been interpreted as "thou shalt not kill, except people that don't see your point of view or religous interpretation".

I wonder if Jesus, Muhhamed, Buddha & Confucius practiced sword fighting as their past time, that is, honing their skills to be a better taker of life? Or did they go out amongst the poor weak & diseased to try to help them & try to spread the word of compassion & understanding?

Thanks for your "couple of little thoughts", James, you triggered another line of thought I had on this subject.

Good journeys all

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G,day Adrian

I have the gateway series on tape & am in the process of replacing them with cd's at the moment & have found them to be very beneficial in controling OBE's better, having them last longer, & feel I have been able to visit higher levels/planes more frequently because of it.

Not sure if I can answer your questions here as objectively as I'd like though,because I have been having OBE's since a child & don't necessarily need them (tapes/cd's) to acheive an OBE.

They definately help you relax & fall into a trance state quicker than normal, thus potentially giving you some good foundations to be able to acheive an OBE.

I have a few friends who have the gateway series as well & deeply wish to acheive an OBE, but have yet to experience one & some have even taken it to the stage of going to TMI for the courses there, but still no result.

It is hard for me to tell you whether the process gives you visual results or intuitive, because most of mine are visual & have always been that way, but others I've talked to rarely get anything visual & sounds like the download problem RB talks about & shadow memory recall.

Maybe you could post this topic again in Spiritual Truths & see if anyone there has an idea, otherwise if you wish, I can give you the URL of a friend who sells all the Monroe stuff & has a very wide knowledge of their products & using them for OBE's. This would have to be via PEM as he is a very private person.

Sorry I couldn't tell you more, but good luck anyway.

Mobius

Hi all

Hey Clandestino & James, some unexpected additions to our side of the debate, Inguma & Adrian, looks like we are not on our own here.

I find it interesting that the majority of those in favour of guns are from the U.S.A, why IS that?

As far as I am concerned, guns & their method of firing projectiles is a relic from our past. There are many other weapons that have been invented in the past few years that have superceded guns. Why? Because THEY have thought about the possibility of civil war or any war & don't wish to be out classed, & were thinking about it a long time ago & don't wish to be drawn into a fire fight where the numbers against them are always bigger, & why risk one single billionaires life? when you can convince others to keep buying the old product "guns" & get people like soldiers to do your dirty work for you? I'm not against soldiers, for reasons I'll keep to myself,but they are people too.

As I stated before, MOST civilian murders are by people you allready know,& the means of killing doesn't matter, knife,poison,guns,bombs etc etc Doesn't it make more sense to talk out major problems you have with someone, way before it gets to the stage of them hating you,coveting what you have or disagreeing with your point of view.

Daniel, what sort of situation do you see yourself in where you need an UZI & not a hand gun? Planning on having a lot of people against you? And needing a device to kill as many & as quick as possible? Why not examine the problems up front & way before ever needing a gun? Whether they be the way YOU see things, or the way OTHERS see things, it's better to have loss of pride & ego than loss of life.

Even if it does get to the stage that violence is anticipated, why put yourself in a position where you will shoot & get shot back at? There are many more ways to skin a cat, as most of us know, the pen & paper can be just as efficient in destroying someones life & defences can be employed that don't require you getting up close & personal.

Take care all & promote peace,tolerance & understanding.

Good journeys everyone

Mobius

ROFL,I like this Mr Nybster, can we keep him? pleeease?

Why was Merv there in the first place? Good question! Sounds like he was lookin for love in all the wrong places, hehehttp://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_evil.gif" border=0>

Good journeys all

Mobius

I like the new site, havn't posted there yet, but I'm glad Adrian (& others) wrote that intro, finally!

The problem with religions is ALL of them say "We see the big picture & are open to ideas". You can never see that until you step away from it & investigate for yourself instead of being dealt out religous text that have dubious origins & accepting that it is the truth without question.

The main 2 reasons why people join or stay in a religion is as follows:
1) A fear of death & the after life & a belief that practicing that faith will reserve a spot for you in heaven, paradise, or give you a good reincarnation etc etc. even though you don't KNOW this, you just accept it out of fear & there are people who are counting on it.

2) Your friends, family or peers are a member of the particular religion you are involved with & you don't want to be ostracised by disagreeing with those you have to live with, & don't want to lose friends, so you conform to what they conformed to when they were in your position, & as a bonus, you are told that you will be a good person because of it. The hypocracy & irony of it all & the fact that you KNOW your friends, family & peers don't actually live by the rules set out by your faith for you & them, but it is lost in the fervent rush to comply & not stand out.

Here I go again,IMO, it is all about the MONEY. Religions are a business & the original idea they were based on was lost soon after their prophets death. To be picked up, retranslated, twisted, edited, & repackaged for one singular reason...........money.

On that "lord is the light" post, in the end, we agreed to disagree.

Good journeys

Mobius

WHAT THE! That's an awesome story muzza, hopefully they don't make them too smart, otherwise we will have to start looking for a good spot to hide "Sarah Conner", hehe.

Good journeys

Mobius

G,day Adiraz

Ah, I don't think so. I was just trying to be http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0> just in case you had a mental illness hehehttp://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>. I've read fairly widely now on Kundalini & have never seen anything like what you wrote anywhere & as soon as you wrote "my guru told me" I stopped considering it serious at that point.

When I said "I no understando & no comrehendo", it was a euphemism in disguise as I simply couldn't understand or comprehend your post. I thought
"what's d madder which your eyes".

Hey you use that mantra as well? "no problemooooooo, no problemoooooo"hehe.

Good journeys

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G,day Frank

Very cool mate,however I believe you have probably done more retrievals than you think, which will come back to you.

Anyone not familiar with this word "retrievals" or the context in which it is applied, or are interested in doing retrievals yourself (you MUST have SOME control of OBE's allready) you will pretty much get the gist of it from Monroe's book  "Ultimate journey", or alternatively, Bruce Moens books have some excellent info on retrievals (he is a graduate of TMI & does retrieval & OBE workshops). You might also get some more info off his site.

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com

Good journeys all

Mobius

G,day Jacara

Yes maybe you are right, it probably is a bit of a hard one to answer, & I was just hoping to discover something I maybe havn't found yet or tried out.

I have tried out Roberts technique, but maybe I'm not doing that part of it correctly or I'm just a different case all together & need to attack it a different way, a bit of lateral thinking, unfortunately I havn't hit it yet.

I read about Roberts spinal problems & saw a similar circumstance to my own & thought maybe he has some NEW answers (hehe, not a bad pun eh).

I did go down the Eastern medicine path as well, but was quite expensive & temporary, plus, I ran out of funds. At present I'm on the Western path of medicine, but I don't like it's side effects, but find it necessary for a "normal" existence, which means I pop pills like M&M's.

The upside of my condition is nightly OBE's. That is the ONLY relief I get, but those ones tend to be more spontaneous & I gain control shortly after an exit, as opposed to being in control from the start.

Oh well, I'm cashed up again now, so maybe I'll give the Eastern medicine another shot & see what happens

Adiraz, I see I have much to learn in this area (Kundalini) as I no understando, no comprehendo, but will catch up soon.

Good journeys all

Mobius

Ah yes Mat, why did I spell it Matt?Hmmmmmmmm I'll have to watch that, hehe.

I don't have the last 3 books with me, as a friend is reading them, but didn't Egwene eventually learn to not only go into the astral non-physically, but as she developed more ability, she could open up a doorway in the physical by utilising that technique somehow & she could "travel" over great distances in seconds. Or am I getting it mixed up with Rand & his gateways?

A very similar concept that the main character Harry uses in "The Necroscope", although the time period is present & the main characters all have some sort of psychic talent. Harry learns to talk to the dead as a kid & learns a technique to travel/teleport from a long dead mathematician called "Mobius". Mobius teaches Harry that time is a loop (I guess you could say a wheel of time) . You can go forward & back in time & when you "fold" the circle over on itself it then forms the Mobius 8, or the Mobius Continuum & you can do it quicker (travel).

I wont spoil the rest in case any of you get the book/s, but it's pretty graphic.The main enemy the story revolves around are very similar to the "Gao'ould" (spelling?) from Stargate the t.v show, & this story was out before the movie "Stargate" so I wonder if the writers got the idea from that book/ series?

Use the source & may it be with you.

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Wheel of time is my favourite fiction series, only just ahead of my 2nd : "The Necroscope series" (Necroscope is someone who talks to the dead, most excellent). I've often thought of their astral world "Tel'aran'rhiod" & wondered if Robert Jordan got the idea from astral/obe literature.

My favourite character would have to be Matt Cauthon, & he reminds me of me, (not the gambling, or being a Taveren) just the falling face first into luck all the time, without trying to be lucky. Rand is obviously kick arse & so are his head popping black followers.

Shayde, where did you hear that the 10th is coming out in November? Maybe it's just the delay here in Australia, but they usually come out at Christmas over here, clever marketing I think, & usually gets sold out quick. I thought it was going to conclude around the 8th book, but now at 10, I realise that there is a lot of things to be covered & the eyeless Myrdraal havn't come back into the picture yet, so it looks like it could be as many as 13.

May the source be with you

Mobius

Hi every.... body

Another strange anomaly of our debate here is, my Mrs thought that I would be an avid gun supporter, as per my fascination with guns, action movies, war movies etc. & my general attitude about people that are vermin, such as murderers, rapists, & generally agressive people. But thinking more on it, I feel it is my desire to see good triumph over evil & see people PAY for their insane robbery of others lives.

It's just that when I hear an arguement/point of view about something, I know now, that there is ALWAYS another side to the story, which is often obscured by whoever has the most money.

What I said about the things our cops & soldiers go through comes from personal experiences with them & it's sad that they feel they are guilty for killing someone, but they do & re-live it daily. If we don't sort out our world problems soon, we might not even get the chance to use ANY weapons, let alone talk about why we had them in the first place.

I guess by weight of numbers so far, & how they stack up, you could say that the pro-gunners have won this debate, so I will be quiet now, besides, I've had a life changing day today & need some time to recover & think about the future.

Hey James, is that what they are called "Tasers" = stun guns? Sounds like a lot of fun to me either way,then we could get Yasser & Ariel (spelling?) in a room together & they can blast away! Ariels fat would go into spasms & Yassers eyes would bulge even more,& maybe the Zap will make them realize "An eye for an eye..................leaves everybody blind!"

May your journeys through life, be good ones.

Mobius

Hi all

The funny thing is we all want the same thing, freedom to live our lives without the fear of someone trying to take it from us & since this is an OBE forum, you would think we could use our minds to solve these issues & not physical force to support it's duration on this planet. On the astral, you might as well shoot yourself for all the good it will do & if you get into any of the situations that are talked about in PPSD, it is your thoughts that will free you, not any weapons. I suspect that is why most religous leaders are peaceful, thinking people & not the yosemite sam types (although in the past & to a lesser extent the present, they got others to do the killings e.g the crusades, the jewish extermination).

This is all stuff off the top of my head, that came naturally after having a good think, not just regurgitated propaganda straight off the NRA web site & forums. You must stop for a moment & listen to another side of the story besides ones that support your lifestyle & beliefs e.g guns & christianity.

I could jump on any anti-gun site & reprint all their arguements one by one, as well as "selected" news stories that favour my position, but that is a circular debate & has as many people on opposite sides as religion does, it could go on indefinately. As James said, when it comes down to that moment, it's a matter of who is the quickest draw, kind of like going back to the wild west over there in U.S. The thing is, America has come a long way since then & hopefully they will join the rest of the civilised world in keeping guns out of the hands of civilians. You can't expect overnight results in the gun figures of countries that have banned them, of course there is going to be some residual delay.

America is the largest manufacturer & exporter of weapons in the world, ahead of Russia & China, so you wouldn't expect that people over there would see it any other way than what big buisness wants it to be seen. I'm sure every major shareholder in these arms factories wouldn't want guns to be banned & see their investments disappear, nor would the many gun shop owners, shooting ranges, brass & steel suppliers, & gunpowder producers. All these people stand to lose a lot & "buy" their support by the NRA, who in turn feed the people with paranoic views of society.

The issue of self defence is a valid one, but not one that needs to be sorted out with guns. Man if they had stun guns over here & legaly accesable, I'd probably buy one, I could see it now : *Knock, knock, on the door*, Me : "who is it?" * hears a muffled reply on the other side of the door & sounds dubious* Me quickly opens the door with the latest "shockmaster 2002 model" & *ZZZZZZZZZZZZZttttttt*, *ZZZZZtt*, *ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZtt* & then the Mrs :" Oh, you bastard, you KNEW it was AMWAY, you just played dumb", then Me: "Shhhh, just help me drag them across the road, at least I didn't kill them". DISCLAIMER (that was a joke, although it could be fun).

I don't support either the NRA or the Anti-gunners, you guys are amongst a few I have discussed this with, & since the debate has had examples from the NRA thrown in, I think it's only fair that the other side gets heard. So read if you dare.
http://www.redshift.com/~jamesm2/2nda2.htm

Good journeys guys, talk soon.

Mobius

Hi guys

This is a tough one for me also. Like I said I used to have a fascination with guns & collected many books, did some pistol competitions & generaly thought they were a great idea. But I think the fascination with guns came about because of my fascination with death. After having OBE's since a child & living on top of ambulance stations for years, I began to wonder more & more about it, (physical death). It's one thing to see it on movies, it's another thing in real life.

So I asked people who had first hand experiences with this & I was hard pressed to find a cop, ambulance man, vietnam vet or world war 2 vet, who didn't have to fight to hold back tears on trying to talk about shooting someone, being shot or seeing someone shot. It leaves emotional scars for years on the very person who should feel like they have done nothing wrong. But they don't , most hide it from friends, family & the public so as to not burden them with their memories.

We allready have things like "stun guns", so why not develop those things more? I suspect the answer is much the same reason why free energy is a no go & oil is?? What a perfect product (guns), create a bit of unrest & the sales go up. Just like cars they have to buy a product that needs a constant input of fuel. The more death the better for sales. More anger & vengeance/retribution/ payback & you can tell your shareholders they are going to retire millionaires.

If you ask any cops or ambulance men or get the statistics, you will find that most deaths are perpetrated by someone you KNOW, that is, a family member or "friend". So it seems to me, just like war, the issues you have with someone, the more you should talk it through, instead of waiting until it gets to boiling point, there is always other ways.

Like the saying goes, "It's all fun & games, until someone loses an eye".

Good journeys all

Mobius

G,day Heph

You are right there about the decendants of Jesus, & I'm glad you didn't say "Christ", an interpretation I'm sure he would cringe at if he were around.

Christ being a translation of the word "Kristos", the Greek translation of the Egyptian legend of the "King". I'm sure he would NEVER agree to being placed above the people as in a king, but hey, there is plenty of people willing to pay for anyones translation, as long as it feels they are part of SOME religion, which they equate with being a good person.

People don't seem to like the truth it seems, similar to telling a hard core Elvis fan that the reason he was so flamboyant & hyped up on stage, was because he was taking what todays generation would call "Speed" (amphetamines) & "Cocaine", then after the show some opium to get to sleep. They celebrate how much of a showman he was, but conveniently forget what pumped him up to that extent. The same fans probably thought the same as Elvis thought about fighting a war on drugs, never bothering to check if they are consuming the very thing they are trying to destroy, ahh ignorance is bliss is it not?  

I get the feeling that when Jesus started studying Jewish scriptures, he found great anomolies & flaws in the words & realized that the words of David, Solomon & Moses etc. were rewritten into a form designed to take money off people & manipulate people into what the wealthy religous leaders wanted, more money & more power over people. Why did the highly orthodox Jews want him dead so much? Because he was going to pop the bubble that the pre-established Judaism had created around people.

Yasser Arafat, I'm not too sure about that, but then again if theres more chances of that than there is of Caucasians, Asians, Latin or Negro being of his bloodline.

There are so many great & wonderful people that are part of various religions, but you don't need any of that to be a good person to yourself & others, all you have to do is DO it, not just SAY it.

Good journeys all

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Hi all

Very interesting thoughts on this topic, I'm not sure what to make of it though. Up until my mid twenties I had a real fascination with guns & weapons in general & did plenty of shooting & played skirmish all the time, which I thought was great fun. However I've done a full turn around with my way of thinking since then & now I don't like the idea of devices which can be used to take ones life or anyone elses quickly & with no contact, creating a situation where you don't directly feel what you are doing to someone else.

We have some serious issues here on this planet, & they really need to be addressed, but stocking up on guns I believe is addressing the "problem" & not the "cause" of the problems. You can have all the defences in the world, but what is being done to stop it happening in the first place? You can only stay bunkered down for so long, eventually you have to  leave the bunker & be part of the world you have helped create.

It doesn't matter how well you keep your guns locked up, it only takes one incident to ruin years of being careful, I'm sure you guys over in the states have had your fair share of accidents over there where a kid (who isn't trained with guns & doesn't understand the weight of their actions) gets hold of a gun & accidently shoots themselves or worse others. You can say that everyone should be armed so that you can defend yourself or prevent harm coming to others, but where does it stop? Is it a better solution that all kids go to school with a gun so as to protect themselves? Will that make less Colombines occur? Are you allowed to take guns into schools, universities or into parliament? Why do you think that is? Because dissagreements always happen & guns make it easy for everyone to see your point of view real quick.

It's true everything that Fenris said about the laws here in Australia concerning guns, but the greatest predjudice was against semi-automatic weapons & automatic weapons, things capable of killing lots of people real quick as in our Port Arthur massacre.

Clandestino & Frank : How old were those 2 boys that were convicted of murder & kidnapping of little james on the railway tracks? They were under age but still sent to childrens jail werent they, so I'm not sure about under age kids being able to do what they want. Like here in Australia, the courts try to go easy on first offences & under agers so as not to tarnish an entire lifetime for one small crime, however murder is usually an exception to the rule.

Dan : How does religion & guns go together? Like you have stated many times before to people questioning Christianity, "most Christians don't live by the rules set out for them, or they don't know what real Christianity is about". So how does guns go towards helping people better understand each other & bring about peace. After wars are fought & the arms dealers have made a fortune, in most cases, politicians still have to sit down & agree on a deal, mostly against the losers wishes, but a deal that could have been made without bloodshed. Your name might say "Peacful", but it also says "Warrior". I know the way you intend it to be interpreted, but in actual fact the two together contradict each other & become an oxymoron (not you, the word).

The example of Texas might point out that there is less gun deaths because everyone has a gun, but I'm not sure if everyone owning a gun brings about peace & understanding, more like fear & distrustfulness, the fear of not being able to disagree with someone, without being shot.

On a slightly different note, giving up my fascination with guns really helped me spiritually, on the astral, guns are useless & teaching myself to shoot targets better, had no value except in learning to be a more accurate killer if the time ever arose. That's counterproductive to the way I think & live my life & what I believe in........................................then again, I am entitled to my beliefs, just like you guys are.It's unfortunate that we still live in a world where they are needed & this saying unfortunately applies as well :
"Those who live by the sword..................get shot by those who don't."

Good journeys all

Mobius

After much reading on various sites & books, I realize that I definately havn't had a Kundalini rising experience, maybe some Kundalini spikes as mentioned before or soul spasms, as I have a few things to experience yet & some problems to overcome first. Also the condition my spine is in, I'd probably end up back in hospital.

Robert, if you happen to read this could you let me know your opinion on whether a damaged spine would make Kundalini rising less or more possible?
Or is it completely unrelated? I've posted this question twice before, but you must have missed it.

Good journeys all

Mobius

Hi Tom

There are 7 waves in the Gateway series all up, & I'm sure it gives you a breakdown of what is on each wave on the Monroe web site.
http://www.monroeinstitute.org/

Frank is right too, BRILLIANT mark up, don't I know. I couldn't imagine someone with equal currency exchange rates as here in Australia, going to TMI for the on site version of the gateway series.

Good journeys all
Mobius

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_shock.gif" border=0>Ah blast, the link didn't work, so click on hot topics & then the quantum world.

Cyas
Mobius

Hi guys

Heheheee, twas all but a joke, to be sure, to be sure, was just sending out some fishing line to see if I would get a bite, but looks like Muzza saw the bait for what is was, a joke.

Nah, seriously, I don't mind it (Guiness), but when it comes to that drink, it's a once only thing at the beginning of a few drinks, otherwise I feel a malt overdose. Then I resume sipping my sweet sweet bourbon, mmmmmmmm, bourbon. We are literally surounded by Irish bars where I live, 3 within 10 minutes drive from my house.

Hey General army, these things really do need to be thought about, even if they aren't reality, that's how scientists have been discovering so many things over the centuries, by putting to test what people have talked about or suggested or had little understanding of, & I'll add a link for a taste of some of the things they talk about or plan to put to the test, that just makes your head spin reading about it, let alone participating in it.

http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/quantam/quantam.jsp

Good journeys all

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G,day all

LOL Kelmactor, like a lounge room scene of the bit James mentioned, the aliens at the end of the movie MIB where they are playing marbles, only one of them marbles is "our" galaxy & has fallen down the back of the lounge, only to be forgotten & then lost when once a year spring cleaning happens & he vacuums the corners of the lounge,hehe

Jouni, I havn't actually seen Vanila Sky, probably BECAUSE Tom Cruise was in it, but I will give it a second attempt now that you have mentioned it. I might have to keep a vomit bag close by though, or increase the amount of bourbon I consume.

Ahhh Bourbon, it really is the nectar of the Gods, I'm sorry if anyone disagrees,but I went to the council of the nine Gods & had a look at what they were drinking, besides "Loosh", Bourbon seemed to be the chosen drink of the Gods, honest. I do like beer too, but only lager & draught. Stouts like Guiness are surely just liquid toe jam aren't they?

Good journeys

Mobius

Hey Muzza

Yes, definately a good movie that "dark city". After my last post I thought of that one as well, as it fits the criteria we are talking about here. I love in that movie the fact that the whole thing is taking place in a giant mothership type space craft, & how no-one ever questioned why they had new identities every day or two & what was beyond their own little communities which felt like such good comfort zones that they never developed the inkling to think about joe bloggs on the other side of the planet.

The way they reconstructed buildings everyday, reminded me of an episode of twiglight zone I saw years ago, where these little creatures would run around after people went to sleep & remake everything we see & interact with each day. Kind of like a pre-cursor to todays Quantam mechanics or physics? Can't remember exactly how it goes, but something like the reason solid objects are solid, even though they are just atoms, is because of the memory of all physical life keeping it in place. I'm probably mixing a few concepts together there, but it looks just great after the amount of bourbons I've just consumed.

I think the key word in that New Scientist article is "possibility", those guys chew through so many "possibilities", that it's a bit like making a movie, so may hours are filmed but only a small amount makes it through. In the same way, hundreds of these concepts crop up, but in the end, your lucky to get one or two that is accepted. At least it is talked about, so that even if the main concept was wrong, some of the data could be useful to someone.

Ok, back to my sweet sweet bourbon,cyas.

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Hi guys

You might be interested in this link then, some further information on "The Holy Grail", most interesting.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/holygrail.html

Good journeys

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Hi guys

I can't believe no-one has written about the movie "The 13th floor". Man, you guys have got to get that one, as it sounds like new scientists ripped the idea off that movie, who in turn, probably ripped it from a science journal somewhere.

This is the basic plot, but I wont give away nothing you wont read on the back of the video/dvd cover:
Some computer dudes make this program where they have actual intelligent life all interacting within a world they have no doubt to believe doesn't exist. The program writer somehow gets himself into this created world & interacts with people in this world he created, the plot thickens when he meets a woman in his own world that tells him he & HIS world is HER program.

Kind of like a re-hash, change it around & add on a bit version of "TRON", check it out.

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Hi James

Thanks again mate, I will have to look into Biomagnetometers further, I was just confused when certain crystal books would say for example :
Amethyst, vibrates to the number 3, or Domeykite, vibrates to number 44. I just don't get that, but I'm sure the penny will drop soon.

I'm glad you mentioned the Star signs as thats another one I don't fully understand. From what I have read, when Star signs first became a concept, the stars DID line up with the earth at that stage & a newborn could be assigned the star sign which was shining on the planet at that time. However, scientists argue that since then, our planet is on a slightly different course than it was thousands of years ago & the star signs that people go by these days are actually incorrect by 2 star signs, e.g My star sign of Aries would become Gemini, or was it Aquarius? Arrrghh I forget, any ideas?

Anyway, thanks for your help & good journeys mate.

Mobius