The last 2012 Thread!!! Keep It In Here Only

[Mick]

quote:Originally posted by Sabastiel

I have read most of your posts and have some things to add and a few questions.
First of all I know about the planetary pole shift that is to occur, in which the Earth will stop rotating for three days before rotating again in the other direction. I have also heard that around this time all of the planets also align. Has anyone else heard that?

Something to ponder. Just think what this would mean if the rotation was to be stopped abruptly in some manner, putting aside the colossal energy required to do this and restart rotation if no external agency is involved. Were it to happen then anyone not tied down would be effectively thrown with great force and end up a gooey mess (everything on the surface is moving at speed due to the rotation (1000 MPH plus at the equator)). But no problem, the oceans would soon be along to wash away the mess. I have read that there are some potential plate movements in the offing that could cause a bit of a judder and planetary pole shift, I think that the plate on which Japan lies was mentioned as a contender.

The planetary pole does move on occasion, not that many thousands of years ago it was sited in Canada (Hudson bay area I think), made for a lot of ice over the entire North American continent, aided and abetted by the last major ice age.

The magnetic pole change does occur at fairly regular intervals and now is such a time. There are some iregularities developing which may be a precurser to the main event, a notable one being in the South Atlantic where the reduced field is causing interesting effects such as near Earth orbit satellite damage from cosmic radiation which can now enter at this point. Based upon previous records a magnetic pole shift will take hundreds if not thousands of years to complete.

[Aries]

I dont remember where I heard this, but North isnt even in the North Pole anymore. As of now it is in Canada somewhere, and they expect it to end up in Asia. Every single day the Earths rotation is slowing, and the Axis shifting. I think the most the north Pole moved in one day was 12 degrees... but anyway yea.
One more thing, to TonyM. Saying please no more predictions about 2012. Did you happen to read the name of this thread?
-Aries

[Tony M.]

Yeah I read it, but the new one is a whole different one from the original 2012 theory. The new one is a doomsday scenerio and it's not like we haven't heard them before in the past years. That's why I didn't want to HEAR it, I didn't say he couldn't talk about it.

[1Zenryoku]

If our true selves are revealed does that mean I will start killing people.   Ohhh and whoever said that thing about eveloution just relize EVOLUTION STOPPED A LONG TIME AGO!!!!!!!!! The weak flourish in our society even those who can not walk or even move most parts of there body live and reproduce.  If all the weak or as I like to say evelutionary challenged died then evelution would continued
I have nothing against weak paople its just if we went back to a state without all these cushy luxuries then we would see that the weak would die out and the strong would live.... sorry but thats how it is

[kakkarot]

renryoku, or whatever, why do you think that you'd go out and start killing people if your higherself took over?

next: darwinism (which i'm pretty sure is what you meant when you said evolution) never really existed in all of nature (merely in parts), and evolution means nothing more than change.

~kakkarot

[LittleNinja]

Hey 1Zenryoku, evolution is constantly happening as we speak.  Everyday when we experience something, we are evolving. Everything on this earth are here for a reason; to teach us the lessons of life. Without these so called "evolutionary challenged" people, we won't get very far into the evolutionary process.

Just like the puzzle, if you miss one piece, it will never be complete.  These "evolutionary challenged" people is the missing piece.  Without them, we are missing out the complete picture. These people are part of life that can only help us transcend to the next level, not hinder us.  

I recommend you reading this Chinese fable that Kenshi posted on the forum too:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10327



Chinese Fable

A water bearer in China had two large pots, each hung on the ends of a pole which he carried across his neck.

One pot had a crack in it, while the other pot was perfect and always delivered a full portion of water.

At the end of the long walk from the stream to the house, the cracked pot arrived only half full.

For a full two years this went on daily, with the bearer delivering only one and a half pots full of water to his house.

Of course, the perfect pot was proud of its accomplishments, perfect for which it was made.

But the poor cracked pot was ashamed of its own imperfection, and miserable that it was able to accomplish only half of what it had been made to do.

After 2 years of what it perceived to be a bitter failure, it spoke to the water bearer one day by the stream...

"I am ashamed of myself, because this crack in my side causes water to leak out all the way back to your house."

The bearer said to the pot, "Did you notice that there were flowers only on your side of the path, but not on the other pot's side?

That's because I have always known about your flaw, and I planted flower seeds on your side of the path.. Every day while we walk back, you've watered them. For two years I have been able to pick these beautiful flowers to decorate the table.
Without you being just the way you are, there would not be this
beauty to grace the house."

Moral:

Each of us has our own unique flaws. We're all cracked pots. But it's the cracks and flaws we each have that make our lives together so very interesting and rewarding. You've just got to take each person for what they are, and look for the good in them.

Blessings to all my crackpot friends and relatives.



Why can't we just accept who they are, learn to live with them, and help them.  They are as much as important to us as we are to them.

[Sabastiel]

Enriku, or whatever, you must realize that evolution is not stopped it is just being stalled by our government. They do not want us to break their prison. They want us to continue being consumers and destroying our planet, so that they can have all of the power. "Power in the hands of a few" that is what they want.
We are all trapped in a prison that we can touch smell taste see and hear. Everyone is concerned with whats on the news, the stock market, the war in Iraq, and many other things, instead of asking ourselves why are we selling our lives and dreams to them for minimum wage. If anyone wants to know god. God is everything, he is this moment that we are given. This constant NOW!! that is always here. The evils of this world have put time on us as a lock. Just because then happened doesn't mean now is any different. It is a time lock and that is what we are stuck in. This moment is blank, purposeless. No time to evovle we have to work and be a slave to society. EVOLUTION IS BREAKING FREE OF THESE WEIGHTS THAT WE ALL BEAR. IT IS THE AGE OF US STANDING UP FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN. AND UNTIL WE DO OUR RACE IS DOOMED AND WE WILL NEVER EVOLVE.

THINK FOR YOURSELF, QUESTION AUTHORITY, STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, BE HEARD, OTHERWISE WE WILL CONTINUE DOWN THIS ROAD, AND I THINK THAT ALL OF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT ROAD LEADS!

[1Zenryoku]

OKAY YALL!!!!
LETS PLEASE TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM THE GIANT GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY THEORY.... IF YOU WANNA DISCUSS THE GOVERNMENT GO AND MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT... OKAY....

Oh yeah evolution did exist at one time when the weak died out and only the strong were allowed to reproduce.  now that there weak people flourishing there are to many bad genetic traits that outweigh the good ones..... ha
so did anyone come here to discuss 2012

[LittleNinja]

Hey 1Zenryoku, i'm sorry if my earlier post sounded mean.  It wasn't intended to be that way.  All I was trying to say was that these "evolutionary challenged" people are not the problem.  The problem is EVERYONE; even you and me.

Everyday, we see people throwing trashes on the ground.  We see cars giving off smokes whenever we drive. And not to mention all those machines and devices that we buy from those factories that dump wastes that would create more pollution to our planet. Adding to that, each and everyone of us has problems dealing with fear, greed, hate, and the likes. If we were to blame something, we should blame those problems; not the "evolutionary challenged" people. Those problems are the reasons why we do not seem to be evolving.

Let me digress a bit, since we are talking about evolution, let me define my term of evolution.  My definition of evolution is 'the change in the human consciousness'.  When we experience something, and understand it, and learn from it, we are evolving. But i'm assuming you think evolution in terms of gaining more power(i.e. stronger body, higher endurance, etc...)?

I'm guessing that you would like the drastic change in evolution, but by eliminating these people, you will not get the problem out of the way.  You will still have people who hate, people who fear, people who are greedy, and people who destroy the earth slowly with their wastes. In my opinion, for us to drastically evolve, everyone has to change their habits, lifestyles, and the ways of thinking.  For there to have any changes, we must change ourselves first.  But then again,i find that we are evolving everyday; just slowly.

Why do we need to rid of them when they are not the problem?  Like i said before, we should just accept who they are, learn to live with them, and help them.[]

When 2012 comes, i dont think the weak will die off.  I think they will live.  When Mayatnik said that the service to self will die and the service to others will live, he wasn't refering to the weak or the strong.  Mayatnik was refering to those who are willing to help others (i.e. Helping the disabled *hint*hint[]) and those who only help themselves.  But let us forget about this whole poleshift and/or 2012 thing for now.  Who knows if it is real or not. We should just live our everyday lives without worrying about the future and what happens. Live in the present, and learn to change ourselves by living through it and experiencing it. And in that we are evolving, IMO.  

Peace.

[Fuzziwig]

LittleNinja:
When 2012 comes, i dont think the weak will die off. I think they will live. When Mayatnik said that the service to self will die and the service to others will live, he wasn't refering to the weak or the strong. Mayatnik was refering to those who are willing to help others (i.e. Helping the disabled *hint*hint) and those who only help themselves.

When you say that these things are stated by Mayatnik you also suggest that its because of selfish reasons that its stated. The reason he states this is not of selfish reasons. If you had read in the Reptilian threads in the Communication section, you would see that this subject have been covered by use of channeling by others too and in fact confirming what he states. I have channeled the information, and i am in no way in the need of the help that your implying and the same goes for Mayatnik. I deliver information through channeling with the help of my Pleiadian guide, who makes it possible by providing the telepathic connection as well as confirming the correctness of the relayed information. Also the sources here being the Reptilians confirm to whether its correct, and if they want the channeled information posted. You can read of the channeled information that confirms what Mayatnik says about Service to self and Service to others here:
Channeled information on Service to self and Service to other
If you were to look outside this forum, you would see that Nancy Lieder from zetatalk mentions similar things about Service to self and Service to others.

LittleNinja:
But let us forget about this whole poleshift and/or 2012 thing for now. Who knows if it is real or not. We should just live our everyday lives without worrying about the future and what happens. Live in the present, and learn to change ourselves by living through it and experiencing it. And in that we are evolving, IMO.

As i understand it, this thread was to discuss things regarding 2012. To discuss the poleshift here which by some could be assosiated with 2012 as a precursor, i dont see a problem with either. I dont see how its helpful to just state that we should forget it, as this may be relevant for some people to talk about. The thread should be open to contributions that has something to do with the topic of the thread, and not just closed down because people think it isnt interesting for them or the like. 1Zenryoku makes an excellent point:
so did anyone come here to discuss 2012.

Light and Compassion
Fuzziwig

[1Zenryoku]

Thanks Fuzziwig...

[rhinegirl]

quote:Originally posted by 1Zenryoku

Oh yeah evolution did exist at one time when the weak died out and only the strong were allowed to reproduce.  now that there weak people flourishing there are to many bad genetic traits that outweigh the good ones.

Ahhhh...the weak dying so the strong may live. Hitler and others had that same mentality.

Problem is who shall decide who's weak and strong? How bout saying whites are strong and that other races are weak? No, that would be politically incorrect. How bout physical disability? That would get rid of a lot of people depending on the range of disabled people. People like me who have hearing aides would be up for extermination, as would people like steven hawking despite the fact that he's a genius.

We could say that the strong are those who follow certain social standards....problem is each society has different standards.

As far as service to self dying off...who gets to judge that?

Jessica

[1Zenryoku]

Me of course....(just kidding)  
Actually I believe in natural selection....
if you all know what that means..

[Aries]

HOW HARD IS IT???
HIS NAME IS 1ZENRYOKO!!
Come on now..
-Aries

[LittleNinja]

Awwe.... i wrote something and it got erased.  I'll reply later when i have the time. Until then.



Peace.

[Anonymous]

I agree with the weak and the strong theory.  Except not to the extent that some may believe.  I believe that we live in a natural world and we should do things naturally.  For instance, when a baby is born it should be able to function on its own without assistance from machinery.  Hell, it worked for the Spartans.  They had one of the strongest races on Earth for a time.  They were just outnumbered and eventually integrated into the Romans.  People who are on life support and clinically brain dead should be let go because all it is doing is wasting resources for the living.  I agree with saving people who have a chance to live but not just keeping people alive so their family can see them with a million tubes coming out of them.  

Also I don't believe that the mentally handcapped should be able to reproduce.  It isn't natural.  I believe that the weak should be allowed to live but they should be sterilized.  In the wild the weak die and the strong survive.  We should follow the same rules of life.  I mean eventually all of this will disappear and we will return to the wild anyway.  If all of this 2012 happens and society is ripped asunder and forced to start all over do you really think that the strong will let the weak breed with the best women or men.  Hell no!  It isn't natural.  Even in an enlightened society the most enlightened will realize this and not let the weak contaminate their society.  They will love them but they will not reproduce with them.  Seriously, would you reproduce with someone that has a background so obviously devoid of useful DNA that you would risk the chance of having your children stricken with the same ailments.  You know have your children born with heart problems, brain malfunctions, arthritis, diabetes, etc.  Are you that cruel to let that happen to your own children.  That is why we have these natural laws in place and that is why we should obey them.  It is the best for the children, the future.

Also about the thing that LittleNinja said about evolution being that we only get stronger and higher endurance is ridiculous.  We are actually weaker then the species that we originated from.  We are only smarter and able to utilize tools better.

[1Zenryoku]

Khuli I couldn't agree more.....
Ohhh and aries if you are curious about my name
Get a japanese dictionary
Zenryoku- All of ones power

[LittleNinja]

Fuzziwig:

Fuzziwig, i think you might have misinterpretted what i was trying to say.  I wasn't trying to debunked anyone or saying that they are a liar, or saying that you needed any help.  All i was trying to say was that the poleshift/2012 is not about the weak dying and the strong may live.  I just wanted 1zenryoku to understand that maybe it's different.  Maybe it's about willing to sacrifice oneself for another, or not sacrificing at all. Maybe those that won't help others will be sent to another place?  And those that do, will stay? Maybe?   Also when i mentioned Mayatnik, i was only trying to reference who said what.

I think i know the reason why you thought i was calling you guys selfish, it's this part here:

"Mayatnik was refering to those who are willing to help others (i.e. Helping the disabled *hint*hint) and those who only help themselves."

If you take away the word 'who' in bolded letters out, you would get a different interpretation from what i was trying to say.  In the sentence with the word 'who' in it, i was differentiating between service-to-self and service-to-others.  In the sentence without the word 'who' in it, i was saying service-to-others are people that only help themselves(a.k.a. selfish). I'm guessing that when you read my post you somehow skipped over that word.(I do that sometimes too. hehe.)

Now onto the next point.  Okay... I guess i should get yelled at for this becuase i had forgotten what this thread was all about at the moment. In the mist of trying to show 1zenryoku my side of the coin, i had forgotten that this thread was about 2012/poleshift. I was only trying to show 1zenryoku that if such scenerio were to happen, it would be better off forgetting about.  Too much negative thoughts are bad for your body and mind.  But that is just my opinion, and people can do whatever they please.[]
 


Follower of the Khuli, you said:

"I believe that we live in a natural world and we should do things naturally."

- In a natural world you can see defects everywhere; in the plants, animals, and humans.  Why is it not normal to include these people as the norm?  They are as natural as us.  

"People who are on life support and clinically brain dead should be let go because all it is doing is wasting resources for the living."

- And yet everyday people eat and throw food away.  How much of that could be used to help the poor, the homeless, and the hungered?

"I agree with saving people who have a chance to live but not just keeping people alive so their family can see them with a million tubes coming out of them."

- But don't you think that maybe by keeping these people alive like that can teach those families a lesson or two about love?  Won't it help them gain more understanding of life, and learn how it is to truely care for someone who has problems? Life is a playground where people can learn from experiences.  These people are a part of those experiences.

"Also I don't believe that the mentally handcapped should be able to reproduce. It isn't natural. I believe that the weak should be allowed to live but they should be sterilized."

- Why shouldn't they be able to reproduce?  They are *NATURAL* just like you and me.  This world is not perfect, and to be perfect is to be *UNNATURAL*.

"In the wild the weak die and the strong survive."

- That is why we are here for,to help people who are not capable of living on their own.

"If all of this 2012 happens and society is ripped asunder and forced to start all over do you really think that the strong will let the weak breed with the best women or men. Hell no!"

- If you had followed that thread, you should also know that those with interests only for themselves will be sent to another place, and those of service for others will stay. And what makes you think the weak men/women won't be able to breed with best men/women when that time comes along?

"Even in an enlightened society the most enlightened will realize this and not let the weak contaminate their society."

- yes they will realize it, but they don't go to the extreme and exterminate them.  They will *HELP* the misinformed.


"Seriously, would you reproduce with someone that has a background so obviously devoid of useful DNA that you would risk the chance of having your children stricken with the same ailments. You know have your children born with heart problems, brain malfunctions, arthritis, diabetes, etc. Are you that cruel to let that happen to your own children."

-If i love that person deeply then i would. If i love to have my children to experience life from a different perspective, then i would. Why should we try to stop something that is so *NATURAL*? Why should we set limitations upon ourselves just because society labels it that way?  Whose to say what is weak or strong?  Whose to say what is cruel or uncruel?  As a matter of fact i think it is beneficial to have had that experience.

"It is the best for the children, the future."

- What is best for every soul is to experience the different aspects of life; be it good or bad.


"Also about the thing that LittleNinja said about evolution being that we only get stronger and higher endurance is ridiculous. We are actually weaker then the species that we originated from. We are only smarter and able to utilize tools better."

- Follower of the Khuli, i said that because it was the impression i got from 1Zenryoku's other posts. It was my 'assumption'.  I was also hinting for a response from 1zenryoku about his theory of evolution. He could have said "no" to my assumptions about his evolution theory and say i was wrong, but he never did.


Okay that is all.[]


Peace.

[Squeek]

I would just like to add a reminder to some not to simply post what we call "one liners", which can be classified as any post which can be read by even the least literate person in under 30 seconds.  If you really have something you need to say, then say it.  Dress it up a little.  Simply saying, "I agree" is not a full post.  With what do you agree?  Who are you agreeing with?  What is your view if slightly altered? (You cannot be the exact same!)

Just wanted to let you all know what is being frowned upon these days... again.

~Squeek

PS - I don't want to "prohibit you" per se from making a one-line post, as it can be acceptable in certain situations.  But repeated one-liners look like you're just going for increased post count and not even reading the topic.

[LittleNinja]

I feel it is partly my fault that this thread has strayed away from it's topic. Je suis désolé. I am sorry. Let us start over with a few questions.

What do you guys think will happen in 2012?  If what was talked about by the zetas are true, how do you guys prepare for the disaster?

For me, it doesn't matter really.  I'll just go on living the way i am living right now until the time comes.  What happen will happen; there's no point in worrying.  I'm just enjoying life.[]  

The thought of preparing for the disaster does sound good; great if you do prepare.  But i'm the lazy kind of guy; always leave it till the last minute.[:I]

Later for now.


Peace.


PS.  1Zenryoku, please don't take anything i said personal.  I was only expressing my views.  Write whatever you want and say whatever you want.  It's the only way we both will learn.

[Clow]

I'm sorry but right now I'm a bit too lazy to read the whole thread. So what I'm going to do is jump in right here. Hah now I'm in the conversation. Xander,(You might have already done this?) lighten up. I crave anime and can't stop watching it. I have yet to see a anime with anything to do with 2012. For that matter. There isn't even a anime that deals with doomsday. So get a new way to bash the people who believe in 2012. Better yet apply actual information to the post or get out.

[volcomstone]

quote:There isn't even a anime that deals with doomsday

you have got to be joking
doomsday is a recurring theme throughout many many many anime

What about AKIRA?

[Clow]

Hmmmmmm yes I suppose dragon ball Z is one. Then again I don't really like DBZ.Anyway there is no type of demon war anime so I don't know how our imaginations are pulling crap out of thin air. It is a theory on many sites including this one.

[Dark_Phoenix]

hello people. this is what i 'think' will happen in 2012. key word 'think'. i did some studying up on ancient cultures like the mayans and atlantis, and i have come to a understanding of what the mayans think will happen. in 2012 we will cross dimentions and become 4d instead of 3d{dont know how or why} and the demons are going to think we are invading and attack us because they live in the 4 dimention. dont know exactly what will come of this 'if' and i mean 'if' this happens. who knows maybe we will become planetary defenders and or invaders.[]
anyways we shouldn't worry about the future, we should worry about today and what will happen if we dont go eat right now...[]
see ya in the next post.[]




and for the reference, the year 2012 come on the chinese year for the dragon, and in christian beliefs the dragon represents demons and devils. i think people just elaborated on this coincendence if you ask me.

[1Zenryoku]

I have nothin against little Ninja but I have my views of 2012 as being a Chance for the strong to rise against Demons The weak will either die in the merger or be killed by demons.

(a man on cruches can't out run a demon)