Don't you get sick of being human?

[Selski]

quote:Originally posted by MakiZero

 Everywhere I look I see mindless people apart of the system that know nothing of the truth.

And the truth is... ?  

Sarah

[kiauma]

Being human is very difficult and painful, but it is also very rare and precious!

Do not let others steal from you the value of what you can do and what you are.  Open up to the fact that we are all in this together - transcend their unconscious aggressions and appetites.

Do not complain - step up yourself.

[MakiZero]

Sorry forgot to add that I'm not a sad person but I wish existence didn't exist. Maybe some of you know what I'm talking about.

[kiauma]

If you 'wish existance didn't exist' then you are resisting your own existance - a very negative place to be.

Look a little higher, and you will see you are already there.

[19]

I often feel like you do, makizero.

Sometimes I just wish I can leave earth and become a pure spiritual being, but I believe we are here to get tested and to learn pain and sorrow.

for those that believe in the creator, had he created us into heaven with all the luxuries, we would quickly become bored with it and want something more.

The angels however don't have a will of their own so they can never rest and they do not need rest and luxurate, but they will always work for the creator.

[kiauma]

Good point 19.  Why didn't God just create us perfect???

My answer is we are.  But how do we know we have free will?  The only REAL way to get free will is to choose it - to be tested, and the only way to have to choose between alternatives is to be limited.  

Our tests on earth and our ability to do as we please (within our limitations - with the caveat of transcendance) are God's greatest gifts.  Enjoy.

[Vvid1012]

hey maki, i know exactly what you'r feeling.  I often think of that and its not that I mind being human, its just that I'm sick of being around the general close-minded people who care about the dumbest excrement.  If only they could open their eyes and pull their head out of the ground. I'm thinkin' its gonna be awhile.. but oh well~

[daem0n]

why should you care about others if you haven't cleared out yourself, you can do nothing about them becouse the choice is YOURS, as well as theirs, they have different lives and may have not experienced what have opened your eyes, partially that is
stop whining and go for enlightment, that's the reason why you are here, only humans have possibilities to reach it, and you can be damn sure that it took you eons to incarnate as a human, and a lot of good karma, try buddhism, buddha sorted it out (now, this is not preaching, it's only a path)

[astralpwka]

I am perfectly happy to be the flawed creature that I am. [] I see it more as a voyage that I don't want to become tired of. We all have such potential to discover, we're capable of so much and there's so much we can't understand.

I can't make a lot of difference in changing others, but I've got a lot of power over myself. I share my discoveries with others, and maybe I'll present to them something they're curious about toward starting down their own path of self-discovery.

Sure, we as humans are capable of evil, especially when no one's looking. But then again, if you are truly interested in personal development, you've removed at least one person (yourself) from being a victim to negativity. And who knows, maybe you'll find yourself rewarded somehow when you make it through this life that will make it all worthwhile. []

[kiauma]

Awareness is a growth phenomenon.  It starts as a tiny seed within a self, then blossoms out.

When your awareness begins to enfold more and more of the world, including trying to see things from other person's views, you will find that everyone is very much like you.  They are just doing their best to get by in what often seems like a demanding and even hostile place.

No one does bad things because they think they are bad.  Even when an evil act is intentional, they think it is right - they think it is justice! - if they think about it at all.   Most people, unfortunately, only know the way they feel, and perceive the world accordingly - but are they really responsible, being so unaware?

Where there is no consciousness, there can really be no responsibility, any more than a bullet can be responsible for a death.

[daem0n]

you life is worthwhile, not some naive reward supposedly awaiting after death, if you don't think so, think again and look within yourself what is wrong

i agree with kiauma, how can you blame people for what they doing if they are unaware ??, if they would become aware, there would be less suffering, but to show them a path you have to travel it yourself ...

ignorance is not a bliss, it's a slow starving death
all the evil needs to manifest is the apathy of good

all suffering comes from ignorance and apathy, think for yourself

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I would love to be a jaguar stalking through a jungle, a bird soaring through the skys, or a fish swimming in the ocean. But for now I will learn what being manifested as a human has to teach me.

[kiauma]

It is wonderful and enlightening to experience these other consciousnesses - just don't forget who you are.  

[daem0n]

heh, you can always project to those, still it wouldn't be the same, but i think that you wouldn't enjoy it, being hunted and eaten/killed/skinned, oh and don't forget about starving []

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Well each manifestation has something to teach us. There is no guarantee that as a human I won't be eaten, killed, or starve either, but that is just part of life here.

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

 - just don't forget who you are.  

I have to find out who I am before I can forget. [] Or maybe I have forgotten and need to remember.

[19]

Alot of humans don't know where their going in this life, so they do crazy things, they are lead astray by their own false assumptions of this world.  So they do anything they want, even harming others and they have no regret or sad feelings, such individuals have impurified, both physically and spiritually.


I have considered shooting someone who has messed with me big time, but then it occured to me that he couldn't help being the dumb animal the womb coded him to be, and shooting him would be an easy way out of the hardships of this life.

So right now I am waiting for a stun gun which should give me enuff time to beat him and escape.

If I said anythin illegal let me know so i can delete.

[MakiZero]

Someone in this topic was talking about negative or dark energy as I call it which reminded me of something that happen to me long ago. This may sound crazy but one day I could feel the dark energy and it felt great. All I could see and feel was the darkness. In a way it was speaking to me. So what I'm saying is maybe the negative energy isn't so bad.

[jilola]

quote: Don't you want to be something more and not this flawed creature?

I don't feel flawed. My body has limitations that affect what I can be and do at the moment but I still am more than that.
Being incarnate is a challenge to see beyond the immediate reality, to read between the lines and behind the words. To stand tall despite limitations knowing there is more than meets the casual eye.
We are perfect beings in an imperfect setting.

2cents  & L&L
Jouni

[Aileron]

Perhaps this quote from comedian Steven Wrights 30 minute short film "One Soldier," can help.


"...so first we don't exist, then we're born. We live. Then we die. Then we stop existing.
So basically our lives are just an interuption of non-existance."

(i find that film personally satsifying as well as one of the funniest films I have ever seen)


MakiZero, the thing I hate, is being confused with Americans. Because I was born in the States, and I speak english, and have grown up moderately in middle america within most of the system, people think they have a right to call me American. That is an insult to me.
Im quite happy with being human, and in fact refer to myself as a human being when people want to label me as an American, because humans can accept their flaws and differences. Americans are just foolish and stubborn.

The thing I find most interesting, is that flaws are what allow us to understand our potential.
Whats really great about that idea, is that our flaws are limited in certain concepts which in itself is a flaw, therefore allowing us to reserve the paradox in understanding that our potential is limitless.

this makes sense in my head, but perhaps some would disagree....(shrugs) thats being human! [^]

[Vvid1012]

when i mention 'close-minded people' I'm not necessarily talking about their spirituality, rather, the way people interect in our society.  I see it a lot when it comes to our(US)government and all the pointless laws and BS that occur...I think it's because a lot of people are simply afraid of life.  However, I dont blame people in their spirituality.  I believe people will get their required experiences while they live.  It's just whether they choose to listen to or ignore them.

[kiauma]

Steven Wright ROCKS!  []


Makizero, are you sure it was 'the dark energy'?  

Could it have been the void instead?   The void is like that.   The void is all unmanifested potential, out of which all comes and into which all goes.   It is what defines existance, by being nonexistant, but it is not evil.  

I have never experienced the void myself, but I have read references, and that is what it sounds like to me.

[MakiZero]

What I hate most is that our worthless bodies have so many limites.
We human could of been something great but no we are weak and useless.

[halfphased]

Hrm, I used to think I was sick of being human.  But now I think I'm sick of being attached to the idea that I am seperate from other people and thus I need to protect my self from others that are only concerned about their selves.  

Human life can be fun and rewarding etc.  I want to be a spiritual being, but I can do that here on earth too.  Wherever you go the 'illusions' are going to be there.  But reconizing their impermanent nature we can have fun with them  dance with them  and go on our happy little ways.  

[Van-Stolin]

MakiZero, I can agree with you on a few things, being human can be quite frustrating and limiting, but think for a moment, it is those limits that difine us, you can constantly improve yourself with limits, but without those, what would be the point of doing anything at all, oh sure I can now blow up a star, but where is the fun in that if I can blow up a whole solar system (not that I would do this though) without having to improve myself and feel like I accoplished something.

Also I agree that the system needs to stop, people have gotten to the point where all they think that they should do in life is get a good job and have a family that they barely see because of said job.  If everything would go back to the way things were, forest and grassy plains, instead of buildings and highways, I think this world would be a much better place to live.  Working real hard work to grow food instead of making money just to buy things, sure you wouldn't have all these modern convinences and maybe people wouldn't live as long or be as healthy, but did anyone ever think that maybe this was a good thing in the long run, you know like, controling the population growth so that we don't use up all the planets resources.

I think that is really where things went from wrong, the monitary system, when money was invented, people could never have enough of it, because it made them feel powerful that they had more then others did.

[Naiad780]

quote:Originally posted by Aileron
Americans are just foolish and stubborn.

Errr ... Aileron, am I understanding you?  Your description makes you sound like an American (born here, speak English, live here).  Are you saying that you wish people would just see you as a human and not simply as someone from a country whose culture you don't approve of?  I can understand that point of view.  However, I can't agree with "all Americans are foolish and stubborn."  I know many Americans who are not.  

As for being human ... I get tired of humanity's drive for greed.  I love most of the other things about being human.  And if we weren't flawed, we'd have no way to grow.  Growth is very satisfying to me.  However, I wish that more humans were focused on growing spiritually and mentally, and less with economic growth.