Question about lower astral beings and demons.

[Astral-Trea]

I think that there is a deeper truth in play here.

The opposite of a fact is usually a falsehood.
However, the opposite of a profound thought is often another profound thought.

Cheers,
Contenteo

That's WAY too deep for me lol.

[majour ka]

I often wonder whats going on with people when they think they are being attacked or going to be attacked by "Demons" I mean why them? Why not a priest or a healer or monk, Nun, or someone who is directly apposing their supposed satanic way of life or what ever you want to imagine it is they stand for lol

Its all fiction 

[Bordmb]

Allow me to add another perspective to this, please, for all of the people that truly believe demons do not exist.

Have you ever had a conversation with someone who truly believed AP was completely false? They say things such as, "It's all in your head," or, "Ha, you just want attention," or even," It's only because you're tricking your brain."

They say this because they haven't experienced it and therefore they rely on what they have heard from others, and as this is their only source of information and, after all, we are human, they tend to lean more towards the ideas that clash the least with their own preconceived notions.

Apply this to negative entities and most of you are just as close minded as those people. I hope none of you ever have to deal with this, but yes, demons are real. I'll put it bluntly since I feel I've already explained my viewpoint in previous posts. You're naive to think otherwise and quite frankly, I'm getting fed up with the way this board treats those that believe or have experienced demons.

PS: Yeah, demons have caused deaths and disfigured people. Ask a priest with experience or research it yourself. There is even a case, as recorded by a skeptic, a bystander, and an exorcist, where a woman started speaking in multiple voices at the same time, broke both of her wrists because she was restrained, and then an object flew across the room and struck the priest performing the exorcism in the back of the head resulting in a concussion. Have you ever been into space? No. Does that mean that people going into space is just a load of BS? No.

I'm sorry for the rant, but I got myself worked up.

Not to mention that saying 'people that believe get attacked/pursued and the people that don't believe are fine' is simply logic. If someone doesn't believe, but then they get attacked or have an experience, of course they will believe then!

[Lionheart]

I am not quite sure what point you were trying to make with this Lionheart, but I doubt any demon has the power to be able to dismember people as you mentioned. Yes, humans are much more able to do these things as they are in the physical and we are talking about physical injuries, and there are alot of horrible people in the world just like there are negative entities or lower entities in the astral.

The point I am trying to make is we as humans do far worse than any Demon can do here. Demons are glamorized by movies and TV. People are taught fear, fear, fear. They talk about Demons scratching them or showing up in a Seance. They talk about seeing a Demon walk by. But they never talk about the fact that they themselves are still healthy, alive and kicking, even after their confrontations. Most people that talk about Demons are the ones that are looking for interaction with them.
Be careful what you wish for, it just might come true! 

[Lionheart]

 Bordmb, when I was 18 years old I feared all these things. Demons, Zombies, Ghosts, everything that TV and the movies taught me to fear. As I grew older, I researched this from all angles. Like I said earlier in this thread, I had someone very close to me, someone that almost became my wife try to convince me and herself that she was possessed. A couple of drinks and she became an angry monster. She told me how her ex husband used to pin her down and inject her with heroin. How she turned to the Necrinomicon for help. The only real Demon in the entire scenario was her ex husband. Any man that would pin a woman down and inject her against her will is a real monster, not a fake Hollywood one. Kathy also displayed unusual strength for her size during her tantrums, she growled, through obscenities at everyone within here reach. She even had a Psychologist convinced there was something else going on here.  Living with her easily turned to hell. I never knew who I was going to be with. Kathy the loving lady or this thing that was supposedly inside of her. Years later we found out the truth. She was diagnosed with having a very low tendency for alcohol, to the fact that it became an allergy. This was the sole cause of the Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde scenario. But, we didn't know this at first and reacted to it like it was a real possession, which just fed the problem further.

Sometimes I don't know what people on this site want us to say. We get people coming here to share their fears, but the last thing they want to hear is sensible explanation for what is happening. It's just like the saying "Misery loves company". We try to bring people a more rational way of looking at things.

[Astral-Trea]

The point I am trying to make is we as humans do far worse than any Demon can do here. Demons are glamorized by movies and TV. People are taught fear, fear, fear. They talk about Demons scratching them or showing up in a Seance. They talk about seeing a Demon walk by. But they never talk about the fact that they themselves are still healthy, alive and kicking, even after their confrontations. Most people that talk about Demons are the ones that are looking for interaction with them.
Be careful what you wish for, it just might come true! 

Just for the record to get it out there.. I have absolutely NO desire to ever see, be around, or experience in any way,  a demon whether they exist or not.. Have to say that so that your last statement doesnt jinx me lol

This question/topic, is just an attempt to get different opinions on a subject I have no experience with and is part of my awakening process.. Kind of just trying to understand all I can about the universe and beyond.

Also let me just say that I personally am not going to say anyone is right or wrong here and I welcome all opinions. I am not qualified to give a definate opinion because like I say, I have no experience with this particular part of the supernatural. 

[AstralCody]

Hey! Caught up on the reading here haha. There was many other times when I was scratched and never watched ghost shows. Walking... I would feel a super bad burn on my back. Sometimes I would feel it in my house and literally watch it form in the mirror. Some of them really burned bad.

Bedeekin has a solid point though... Everyone does. Personally I never experienced anything evil to me. I found the scratches rather interesting.

Another thing about those ghost shows is I do believe they are real. #1 because of the EVP'S. I do them all the time and have gotten shockingly clear voices to talk back to me. Thing is though on those shows... There's bloopers etc and one thing that makes me mad is if they hear a bump they automatically go... OH NOZ!  But yeah! To be honest I really don't know. I just go off my experiences and take it from there.

Hope that helped man
-Cody

[Lionheart]

 Why is it the ghosts/spirits only show up at night, when it's completely dark in the room and they are using infrared cameras. Are they on some type of schedule? No, it's because of sensationalism.
Bordmb's recent post about priests brought back a time when I was in North Dakota as a merchant at the North Dakota State fair in Minot, ND. My neighbors were a couple of priests that were at the show to "save" people. They looked like a couple of nice guys, we introduced ourselves and everything was fine until I heard their spiel. They had a black box on the table that was covered with a black felt cloth. It said "Have You Been Saved Today" on a sign over the box. The priests would then talk to the kids and say look in the box, then they would bring them in the back of the booth and talk to them. It seemed innocent enough, until my curiosity was too much for me and I had to see in the box. I looked inside and to my horror there was small doll like model, stripped of all it's skin and burning in flames. It said "This is what happens to you if you are not saved". I then listened in as the priests told the kids horror stories. I'm sorry but my God would be a God of love. My God wouldn't need to rule by fear. They were scaring and scarring these kids into submission. That is just not appropriate at all and I told them exactly how I felt about that. These guys had been sent by the Church to teach the word of God. Somewhere along the line they lost the ability to listen to him themselves.

[Astral-Trea]

Hey! Caught up on the reading here haha. There was many other times when I was scratched and never watched ghost shows. Walking... I would feel a super bad burn on my back. Sometimes I would feel it in my house and literally watch it form in the mirror. Some of them really burned bad.

Bedeekin has a solid point though... Everyone does. Personally I never experienced anything evil to me. I found the scratches rather interesting.

Another thing about those ghost shows is I do believe they are real. #1 because of the EVP'S. I do them all the time and have gotten shockingly clear voices to talk back to me. Thing is though on those shows... There's bloopers etc and one thing that makes me mad is if they hear a bump they automatically go... OH NOZ!  But yeah! To be honest I really don't know. I just go off my experiences and take it from there.

Hope that helped man
-Cody

I have to post this now LMAO.. You probably have seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObYL5YQi3lM&sns=em

[AstralCody]

I have to post this now LMAO.. You probably have seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObYL5YQi3lM&sns=em

LOOOOL!

That just made my night. That's the point I was trying to get across too! It's the same with all of them... This guy on ghost adventures "Which to me those guys are... The material (some of it) might be real but on every episode you hear them scream and drop their cameras and run and stuff lol. To me that's just nonsense. I can tell you thought that EVP's are indeed real. I been doing them for a few years now. But yes... That video was exactly what I was trying to say. 

Lionheart- That just makes me blah... That's why I do not do good with religion in any form. It's just like my scratches. Was it evil? I felt no evil... I took a more scientific approach. I was not scared at all, but it did upset me at times because I was confused... and 3 deep scratches that you can actually watch form in a mirror was a slight weird to say the least. Along with a red mark all around it. Like I said though. I don't automatically go "DEMONS!" How would I know? Like I said I go off what I experience. But the whole religion thing is... yeah. I had a group of people come to my door once and told me to take these god pamphlets or I would go to hell. (Something about the second coming) I took them and through them in the trash when I shut the door lol. 

[Bedeekin]

The worst thing that these hauntings or 'demons' seem to do is throw little stones and knock on the walls etc.

Allow me to add another perspective to this, please, for all of the people that truly believe demons do not exist.

Have you ever had a conversation with someone who truly believed AP was completely false? They say things such as, "It's all in your head," or, "Ha, you just want attention," or even," It's only because you're tricking your brain."

They say this because they haven't experienced it and therefore they rely on what they have heard from others, and as this is their only source of information and, after all, we are human, they tend to lean more towards the ideas that clash the least with their own preconceived notions.

Apply this to negative entities and most of you are just as close minded as those people. I hope none of you ever have to deal with this, but yes, demons are real. I'll put it bluntly since I feel I've already explained my viewpoint in previous posts. You're naive to think otherwise and quite frankly, I'm getting fed up with the way this board treats those that believe or have experienced demons.

Closed minded? Come on... are you really pulling that one? Have you actually read what we generally talk about?

I personally am sorry for not believing in something that doesn't exist... it seems to upset those who do. I just don't want to waste my time getting wrapped up in these things.. it's counter productive for personal development and the improvement of conscious evolution. It's actually devolution.

We.. want to point out that it isn't worth the effort... yet you want to point out that we should be... Why? What possible benefit to anyone can the belief in evil demons or the devil be? What does it achieve?

[AstralCody]

Bedeekins right. I just wanted to throw my two cents in here with my whole phenomena thing. I found it interesting

[majour ka]

Very interesting.. so would that mean that everyone starts out as a low astral entity, then somehow eventually begins to encarnate and reincarnate when they reach a certain level on the spirit plane? And I guess also if in a life, you develop inner demons, maybe you murder and rape women, etc etc.. then when you die you will go down in vibration and have to work your way back up?

In this example, it almost brings into play the Hell beliefs... some people say hell doesnt exist which I believe is true.. but we create our on hell maybe? If that is true, then there would be punishment in this way for doing bad things in life, and rewards for being good.

Or maybe I am looking at it too 3-dimensionally..

Hi well, I don't know about reincarnation although that is a personal belief that makes sense to me...and neither do I know how we might compare at what level we are initially born. But I am passing on what was told me by intelligent and evolved spirit people who live there in that world we are discussing.  So I guess they know something about all this. They also told us that they don't use the word evil to describe anyone one in the spirit world since that would then imply that evil had an inherent existence in self, since it only exists in the mind and has no reality in the sense that we are investigating here. Only peoples light is bright or less bright. And yes we create our own hell here now in our minds im certain of that. I understand from the spirit people and what we have just talked about points to this also that we create our experience of the next life by how we lie our lives and evolve or not here. SO go forth and raise the power of your light my friends  

[Astral-Trea]

Lets all just respect each others beliefs.. if you believe in something someone else says is fiction.. just say your piece on it and leave it be. If what you said resonates with that person, it won't require any further arguing or convincing. If not, then you would have never been able to convince them anyway so it doesnt matter. I am open minded to the point where I can see things from most points of view objectively, but even I, like others on here, have caught myself saying someone is wrong and that what I am saying is right.. which I shouldn't do.

We should try to remember that we are not discussing something such as "orange's are the color orange when mature," which would be a fact that really couldn't be argued much. This is all stuff that is in a major grey area and different people experience it apparently in alot of different ways. I sometimes think it is good because when you get a variety of different experiences, even when they contradict each other, you have alot more evidence and things to base your conclusion on.. rather than just having one side of the coin. Nobody should be sorry for their opinion.

I tend to agree though, that fear based opinions are not productive and if one is given, I usually just recognize it as that and shy away from it.

I think Xanth once wrote something like "Your truth is not necessarily my truth."

[Bedeekin]

I just want to know why people want there to be Demons and nasty spirits. That's my confusion.

[Astral-Trea]

I just want to know why people want there to be Demons and nasty spirits. That's my confusion.

I don't think anyone WANTS there to be Demons and such.. I think just some people feel strongly that they exist and others feel strongly that they do not. For example, I do not WANT cancer to exist.. but it does exist... and I know that it does because of personal experience with it in my family.. so if someone came back and said it doesn't exist.. then I would probably have things to say to the contrary. This of course as I posted before, is one of the factual examples that differs from this which there is no proof one way or the other.

[Bedeekin]

It's along the same lines as people getting irate if you don't believe in the 2012 Armageddon/prophecy/niburu thing... it's like they want it to happen for some bizarre reason. Maybe it's a romanticising type thing. They romanticise about there being this mass change in whatever way. But the reality of it would have them wishing on the other side of their face.

Maybe to discount demons as a reality automatically discounts all other biblical connotations.

But most people who do believe in demons tend to recount 3rd hand stories of possession and exorcism... 'there was this priest who..." "I heard of this time when..."

Whereas we (I mean those who are 'experienced' in nonphysical exploration) have first hand accounts... multiple times... running into thousands... that don't experience these things. I think that sometimes... maybe sometimes... belief can be overshadowed by experiential evidence. Is that an obtuse statement or does 'experience' not count for anything these days?

I am personally not wanting to get MY belief across and MAKE people see my point of view... I am basically trying to say 'look... just forget about demons... they are pointless to consider because there is so much MORE out/in there to experience" not that they are stupid for believing it.

I went through some of the most vicious and horrendous Sleep Paralysis episodes when I was younger.. .I thought they were real. I spent months trying to come to terms with it. But after repeated exposure I realised that they can't be real or harmful... just by process of elimination. I then learned how to have OOBEs from SP and after that didn't experience the fear anymore.

[Astral-Trea]

It's along the same lines as people getting irate if you don't believe in the 2012 Armageddon/prophecy/niburu thing... it's like they want it to happen for some bizarre reason. Maybe it's a romanticising type thing. They romanticise about there being this mass change in whatever way. But the reality of it would have them wishing on the other side of their face.

Maybe to discount demons as a reality automatically discounts all other biblical connotations.

But most people who do believe in demons tend to recount 3rd hand stories of possession and exorcism... 'there was this priest who..." "I heard of this time when..."

Whereas we (I mean those who are 'experienced' in nonphysical exploration) have first hand accounts... multiple times... running into thousands... that don't experience these things. I think that sometimes... maybe sometimes... belief can be overshadowed by experiential evidence. Is that an obtuse statement or does 'experience' not count for anything these days?

I am personally not wanting to get MY belief across and MAKE people see my point of view... I am basically trying to say 'look... just forget about demons... they are pointless to consider because there is so much MORE out/in there to experience" not that they are stupid for believing it.

I went through some of the most vicious and horrendous Sleep Paralysis episodes when I was younger.. .I thought they were real. I spent months trying to come to terms with it. But after repeated exposure I realised that they can't be real or harmful... just by process of elimination. I then learned how to have OOBEs from SP and after that didn't experience the fear anymore.

I agree... at this point.. I'd like to focus more on the better parts of the spirit world which I think is most of it

[Lionheart]

It's along the same lines as people getting irate if you don't believe in the 2012 Armageddon/prophecy/niburu thing... it's like they want it to happen for some bizarre reason. Maybe it's a romanticising type thing. They romanticise about there being this mass change in whatever way. But the reality of it would have them wishing on the other side of their face.

Maybe to discount demons as a reality automatically discounts all other biblical connotations.

But most people who do believe in demons tend to recount 3rd hand stories of possession and exorcism... 'there was this priest who..." "I heard of this time when..."

Whereas we (I mean those who are 'experienced' in nonphysical exploration) have first hand accounts... multiple times... running into thousands... that don't experience these things. I think that sometimes... maybe sometimes... belief can be overshadowed by experiential evidence. Is that an obtuse statement or does 'experience' not count for anything these days?

I am personally not wanting to get MY belief across and MAKE people see my point of view... I am basically trying to say 'look... just forget about demons... they are pointless to consider because there is so much MORE out/in there to experience" not that they are stupid for believing it.

I went through some of the most vicious and horrendous Sleep Paralysis episodes when I was younger.. .I thought they were real. I spent months trying to come to terms with it. But after repeated exposure I realised that they can't be real or harmful... just by process of elimination. I then learned how to have OOBEs from SP and after that didn't experience the fear anymore.

I wish that every caller on Coast to Coast AM was told this exact thing. But then there wouldn't be a show! 
I can't tell you how many times I hear people talking about waking in the middle of the night with a Demon holding them down or some other fear based scenario. I sit here at home practically screaming inside, "It's SP and it's completely natural".

[Bordmb]

Bedeekin, this will be my last reply to you, and quite possibly my last visit to AP.

You mentioned that you always hear 3rd person accounts and what not, well if you're so interested in why some have such strong beliefs, I'll share one of my experiences.

A friend of mine, whom I shall refer to as Dan, came to my home. Now Dan was the type of person that was always hooked on some new drug and was addicted to meth, as well as, heroin. Of course he had come to me in order to get money for more drugs. Anyways, he entered my living room and I suddenly became aware of another presence, probably due to the notable drop in temperature within the room that even caused my heat to kick on (set at 50 degrees for the cold nights when it was 65-70 degrees outside during the day.) After talking for a few minutes, I began to get upset for no apparent reason, which isn't uncommon considering I have fairly strong empathetic abilities. About this time, I noticed Dan seemed to be devoid of color, not unlike the white someone turns before they pass out, and he was mumbling incoherently. The room got dark, very dark, as if I were getting severe tunnel vision, until finally it disappeared from my view all together. Needless to say, this was frightening, but before I had time to rationalize, a light appeared behind, brighter than anything you can imagine. These beings brought with them an unearthly chill that penetrated Dan and me to the core. This light illuminated up to a point right behind Dan, at which point, I saw them... the "demons." They often hide themselves in their own, self made darkness, especially around beings of light. This, again, is a darkness beyond what we consider black, its close to the "3D blackness" we often refer to. Dan never remembered anything past the light showing up and feeling extreme heat and I don't remember anything after seeing the "demons." I "woke up" three days later laying 5 miles deep in the woods outside my house with no shirt, no shoes, and only gym shorts on. I had bruises and scrapes, most related to wandering in a forest for three days. However, completely unexplainable, even by the medical team at UAB (hospital), I had 4 deep slashes that looked as if they had been cauterized and the medical team said they were healed so much that it must have been at least two weeks old by the time I got to the hospital. Dan ended up going missing for a little over a week and just showed back up at his house one day like nothing had happened, except for the fact that he was missing part of his ear (Same deal as with my slash marks) and had 3 distinct bald patches that were bloody. He didn't want to talk about it, but about a month after he showed up, we had a deep conversation about everything. That was the last time I ever talked to Dan. He was found dead the next morning by his sister who was worried about him not showing up to their breakfast plans. Police said it was a natural, but undetermined death. No autopsy performed.

I dare you to try to say I willed those marks on my skin. Did I burn my wounds too? Did Dan will away part of his ear? What was I afraid of during a regular, waking day that caused me to go temporarily blind and over 72 hours of amnesia? Did I, completely sober and awake at the time, simply dream this all up?

No, and that's why I believe that demons are real. That's why I've done my research, and that's why, quite frankly, it pisses me off the way you try to discredit what others believe and belittle them.

[Bedeekin]

Fair enough. 

[Mr.Flip]

I dare you to try to say I willed those marks on my skin. Did I burn my wounds too? Did Dan will away part of his ear? What was I afraid of during a regular, waking day that caused me to go temporarily blind and over 72 hours of amnesia? Did I, completely sober and awake at the time, simply dream this all up?

No, and that's why I believe that demons are real. That's why I've done my research, and that's why, quite frankly, it pisses me off the way you try to discredit what others believe and belittle them.

belittle? honestly whether or not ur account is true or false, the truth is if some thing can be so good then what is the lack of good?

"demons" is the term we will use for these beings for now. For Trea Vibration u nailed it!
everything or almost everything has a vibration frequency to specfiy its self, like an adress for a house
although since ive never seen a demon, i cant say its a vibration, but! Light is also how a signature can project itself,
bordmb's right on the fact that some beings have less light than others but its really rare IRONICALLY, bedeekin has a point u usually see the living trying to idolize or romanticize, and it usual always ends up in a bar bathroom with ur pants off down and blood on ur shirt in bum frunk scottland or waking up drunk next to a fat guy in a who gives a squirt mississippi

like i said i havent encountered one and why would i want to?
Demons HA what about Greed, Vanity, Sloth, Jealousy, Lust, Envy, Pride
now these beings these will mess with you
bordmb's tale is just another example of why we must breaks our barriers, his friend more than likely had a complex relationship with these entities leading him to Negative Times and Spaces, eventually through probability and mathematical law, wrong place wrong time =/

you had a choice whether or not to keep associating yourself to him as a friend and yes sometimes what a friend should do is keep close and at others he should separate to show a signature of righteousness, which then leaves his friend in a pending desicion, whether or not to change his negative input in order to project a positive output

that is what you get when you deal with demons, i bet there are cases where the victims have done nothing wrong their whole lives and end up having to engage with beings, it happens all the time even in real life its called Crime!
just today on the radio here locally they were talking to a man who just recovered from being stabbed in chest by another man, who just got done robbing and stabbing another man seconds before him,
average young fellow no more past 30 late 20s just workin at the bar in a nice hotel in downtown chicago right by the john hanncock building, heres a cry for help! stop that man!, all he was doing was his job assisting the customer, victim 1 was just having dinner by the way when he went to the bathroom and bow it a robbery,
the young fellow hears the shout and sees a man walking out the door suspicious figure going out the revolving door passing guests and kids, he goes out to get him into the crowded street and catching up another shout from behind the young man and then the suspect turns, and lunges towards him knocking him down,

Arrested 69 times, more than 3 felonies, and homeless age 56, =/ life
and thats not mentioning the pending trial goin here of the lady who murdered her baby and another child whom she was babysitting for someone else

yes, i believe people can plague theirselves with thoughts and mis conconseption to decieve themselves, call it schizophrenia, possesion, delusion, or any other mental disorder, it starts with a state of being Evil and then its the Devil himself
the true definition of devil is to give up your own will to another external force
your god given right to have a choice, at times it is ignorance other stubborness, it's in many forms,

When you see them u will know it just how u will know when you see your Father

[Bedeekin]

Are you personifying crime and immoral deeds? Are you anthropomorphising bad decisions and actions?

[ChopstickFox]

My opinion is that there is so much we don't understand out there... I just focus on the positive :3

But saying mental disorders are the presence of the devil? I dunno, maybe I read that post wrong, but to me that's sounding like we just back in history a few hundred years :/ *growl*

[Mr.Flip]

Are you personifying crime and immoral deeds? Are you anthropomorphising bad decisions and actions?

o yes this is very thin ice, i know bedeekin where ur coming from on that response,
i'll admit at times i make the error of incarnating or yes personify certain words or phrases, i do so because almost everytime i explain myself i try to make it easy to understand that even a kidd can compute But! (I end up complicating it even more)

with the seven words of Greed, Vanity, Sloth, Jealousy, Lust, Envy, and Pride, we have concluded these forces exist
these are just forces of human nature that can have major and general influence over human behavior
i guess yeah i do like to give them a face or signature to be able to think about it more practically in the head, easier to remember, i mean what are they? this is the question of this topic what are demons? well even demons at one point were angels and yes i am going by traditonal christian catholic opinion, lucifer himself was among the highest his name meaning most beautiful/brightest light

has anyone here ever seen hellraiser?
yes i know this is just another horror flick with your average blood and gore, but regardless it states something interesting
to the best of my knowledge when the well hellraiser gang pops out the box, they introduce them selves to the person whom opened the box,
"some have called us demons, some have called us angels, we are beings of further consciousness and experience, we know great Pleasure and great Pain, lol come we have many sites to show you"

Also about the Devil,
a great story and image, is the Tarot Card of the 15 Major arcana, symbolizing the devil


the man and woman have been hooked to the chains of devil through their own demons of Greed, Vanity, Sloth, Jealousy, Lust, Envy, Pride
he sits their babysitting them, watching them, when ironically enough he has no real power over them
The chains themselves are weak enough to break and not only that the loop around their necks is big enough to slip right off
this card represents the true force itself of giving your own will away to an external force or being, anything you wanna name it, will, life, value, choice

its funny because there aren't actually beings like, jealousy, what is jealousy really?, ask me i'd say its a state of consciousness, something that is experienced,
bogusly enough that movie depicts these figures to be deadly and so does the rest of society, I say its just misunderstood
honestly its hard to understand thats why we have judges, and a whole justice system, (corrupt) anyway crime itself is just the proof that these souls exist.
you have a choice whether or not you want to experience those descions or consequences, whether they be good or bad is another story because we have problems actually defining good or badd, like i said we got a whole sytem for that but life is always news, and you have to use your own knowledge and logic to be able to find the greater good
It suits me personally easier to give these words, terms, some divine ID

honest opinion mental illness is truely tricky grounds when you literally have proof to show that your missing a part of your brain or, certain areas just arent doing their job or are doing something else, how does one experience this? Every feeling is a chemical reaction.. we know thiss for fact, so then could it be said that certain emotions, feelings like jealousy, lust, or greed are nothing but mere results of chemical reaction and if so doesnt that obviously state that there is some divine connection between those chemicals and that outcome? then wouldnt this be physical proof of evil?