The last 2012 Thread!!! Keep It In Here Only

[1Zenryoku]

Did not feel like writting every thing so  ask away

[Jeff_Mash]

Thanks for the description.  I will just ask the first things that popped in my head as I read your account:

1) You said the squirrel was eating the leftover snake from the night before.  I didn't think squirrels ate meat.  At least, not when they have a plethora of nuts and other assorted munchies in the woods.  Strange.

2) You mentioned on day 7 that you got the beans....but then on day 10, you say that you found a problem that you couldn't open the beans.  Wouldn't you have realized this 5 minutes after you had them that you didn't have a can opener?  And wouldn't the first thing you thought of would be to use something sharp, like your knife?  How could you forget that you had it in the hole when it was only one of three things you took with you in the forest? Why did it take 3 days to come to these conclusions?

3) Did you feel guilty at all for stealing someone else's food and supplies?  After all, you say that the reason you went into the wilderness was to achieve enlightenment.  Is stealing a characteristic of enlightened people?

4) I'm sure this is just a communication problem, but you say that you dug a hole to sleep in, but then you elevated it two feet off the ground to keep snakes and other nasties out.  How do you elevate a hole?  Wouldn't that be putting dirt back IN the same place that you took it out of?

5) How difficult was it to kill that squirrel.  I've never been to VA, but every squirrel I've ever seen has been real perceptive to approaching people/animals.  They have an acute sense of hearing, which is why they're quick to run away when people approach. How did you manage to kill it with a rock?

I think that's all my questions.  Looking forward to your response.

[wantsumrice]

Hmm...this IS a likely story Zen, but unlikely to have happened.  

1) If the food was THAT bad, and you ate it, how the hell were you full?  Usually, when i eat something that tastes bad, i stop eatting, and look for other things...Correct me if i'm wrong, but when eating a squirrel, don't you need to skin it?

2) When you scaled the fish, did you make sure that it was dead first?  It's tough scaling a live fish.  Also, wouldn't your shirt get pretty bloody from scaling a fish and from sknning a squirrel?

3) When you were chasing after the snake, how large was this rock you threw at the snake?  And how is it funny that the snake tried to bite you when you cut it in half?  Also, damn, how bloody is your shirt??

4) If it was cold, and you used your shirt for fishing, which would make it wet, wouldn't you have suffered from hypothermia at night?  

5) I find it very hard to believe that you caught that many fish with just a shirt and a stick.  The water must have been very shallow, and you must have been very very lucky.  I've tried to catch fish with a net, and as hard as i would try, i found it almost impossible to coax a fish into it.  

6) What did you do most of the day?

7) The way you tell the story makes me believe that it was either, totally fake, or some of it was true, but you overexaggerated and fabricated a bunch of parts.  The thing is, when one tells a story like that, many details are often left out due to other occurances in the trip.  If there was also more details you left out, how come you left us the insignificant ones?  And you seem to jump from day to day very quickly.

Its called "Grammar" and "Spelling", sometimes people even use "Paragraphs" and "Indentations".  It was almost torture reading that.  

9) Finally, i find it extremely HARD to believe that you weren't deathly sick by the end of day 7.  Also, where in this whole trip did you even attempt to become closer to your ancestors?  And you tell the story as if you just journeyed into the depths of your backyard and stayed there for "16" days.

Thanks in advance for answering my questions.
~ivan

[James S]

On occasions I used to take a friend of mine up into a deep mountain valley near where I used to live. He'd take a backpack with some basic food, tools & medical supplies, and just dissappear into this 10 mile long valley for a couple of weeks to meditate and commune with nature. I'd go back on a pre-arranged day to pick him up, and sure enough, there he'd be with a big grin on his face, healthy and relaxed.

See, he knew what he was doing. He was experienced in bush survival, and  he made sure he took suitable emergency supplies and equipment with him. Not much, but essential items. This was simply because as experienced as he was at living off the land, and as in touch with nature as he was, he still knew too well that he could not possibly survive that long living like a caveman or some wild animal. We're too far removed from the physical conditioning and instincts needed to do that.

James.

[Tony M.]

I've been on this forum for a while now but I have never read a thread like this. I think it is one of the most entertaining threads I ever read and at the same time I have a very sad feeling when reading all this. Ryoku, or whatever your name is, I think you are full of it. I know people that believe in their own obviously made up stories and I think you are one of them. The internet is a great way to vent the thoughts you have.

Then Mayatnik, you are a strange one. One minute you are talking about people behind the scenes, people being killed (if your wife was killed I am very sorry for you) and a while later you are trying to get a date... My thought: you had a lot of lonely nights and to kill the time you watched the entire X-files series.

Maybe the story about the pyramids and stuff was based on facts but you don't come across as a reliable source, I don't believe you. If there is something great about to happen I really doubt it that beings from other dimensions or whatever try to contact us and tell us about it. If these beings know so much, they should've known about how we humans think. We don't listen to information that is transferred in a very unreliable way, at least a way that comes across as very unreliable to the majority of the people. If these beings are that smart they should know not to interfere with our lives on this planet.

These are just my thoughts. With all due respect of course.

[Aileron]

I'll give pacino there credit for being so blatantly honest. What can you expect from an insane crime boss though? []
I agree though that this has to be the most interesting thread I have read as well.
Lots of people in all shapes and sizes and opinions and here, you can have the handlebars.

Heres my own story that involves a squirrel.

I hiked to the top of our summit to stay the night in a cabin that was built about fifteen years earlier by some high school kids I know only through siblings.
I had stayed there before, but never alone. I got there and instantly I was bored. I hung out and became paranoid that a cougar would attack me, so I had my buck special with me.
While I was hanging out, two old hipsters randomly hiked up to the cabin. They were probably in their forties or so. They arrived and introduced themselves and told me that they had helped build the cabin. Then they proceeded to smoke me out and left. Having partaken in herbal delights, I then became increasingly paranoid because the two hipsters left. As if by some odd reason they came up there to find me and leave. For a few hours I then rocked back and forth in some partially delusional drama that involved a squirrel scratching on the damn walls of the cabin and crawling in through the holes. I covered the holes with ducttape and went to bed. In the middle of the night i heard more scratching and looked up to see the cute litle paws insanely tearing at the ducttape from inside the walls. Then its head popped out and peeked at me then left. I went to bed not too long after and woke up to leave quite early because it is a loooong helluva hike.

(The moral of the tale is that whatever happens happens so have fun with whatever delusions you may be having.
btw, this tale neither endorses, condones, nor condemns drug use and its abuse, as the use of illegal substances in the US is and should be a personal choice as long as it is only a choice of the individual and affects nor harms any other persons)

(dissassociates self from self becoming an abstract thought)

[Steel Hawk]

Realize no matter if you think yourself sapient; there is always knowledge unknown to you.  This is a lesson I think I have learned recently.  The simplest way to prove this "fact" is to take a good look at your self.  Just think, a century ago bloodletting was widely practiced by our own PhD's on ill patients to "cool" the blood.

To be honest, too much knowledge is bad for your mental serenity. This is of course dependant on what the knowledge is and what your complete mental understanding of it is.  It's like a young child learning about his parent's financial troubles and worrying about things that aren't always so devastating.

After re-evaluating my beliefs many things have changed for me.  I've spoken to Mayatnik and learned a great deal.  I can't draw conclusions about everything, but I can say something is happening.  People forget that just like astral projection (which most of you probably didn't believe in unless it came naturally) other psychic (meaning we don't understand it scientifically) phenomenon such as intuition exists.  Not that you should follow someone else's feelings, but rather respect them.  I would suggest to you all to seriously research the NWO, Planet X, the Pole Shift, ancient civilizations, as well as ancient astronomical data, and the abundance of major religions/belief systems correlating together about previous catastrophic events.

Up to you.  I don't see the urge to debate this do your research.  Spend at least a week or two just seeing why all these "crazy" people believe in UFO's and end time disasters.  I believe there is some substance behind all this.  Accepting new possibilities can one only attain true wisdom.

Regards,

P.S. I would recommend this links (give them a chance):
http://www.zetatalk.com
http://www.astralpulse.com/membersfiles/StoryOfTimeWheel.jpg
http://www.astralpulse.com/membersfiles/AlcyoneSpiral.jpg

[Tony M.]

I do believe in intuition although it can't be scientifically proven yet. The problem with science is, is that it is build around our five senses when I think there is also another world to explore, a world which has to do with intuition. I don't exactly know in what way but I have my thoughts on this.

Look at it this way: what if we humans would have never developed our hearing sense? How could we then possibly know what sound/music is like? We could maybe translate the soundwaves to a computer and look at some cool graphs that represent the sound, but isn't there a lot more to sound than just some stupid patterns on a computer screen? If we would not have developed hearing, we maybe never understood what music is like and what it can do.

This is maybe a little of track from what is written above, but he, who cares.

[1Zenryoku]

Also can we get back to the subject at hand all I have heard is bad comments if you don't like the thread stay the ---- out got it!!!!
Now has anyone else tried survival training? How about spiritual exercises. does any one under this believer thread believe or all yall all here just to try and tinkle me off...  Also any of you who call me a liar or disagree  with me SHUT UP!!!!!!!! did I ask for your opinion or sarcasim. If you don't like me leave me alone... what is yalls peoblem do y ou have so little of a life that you go to threads you don't agree with to bash there ideas...
sorry for the tone of this...

[Aries]

They just cant let ya be 1zen.. I dont see why they would care about if your lieing or got sick or not but maybe it makes them feel smart by "disproving" you? I would just ignore most of there comments..

-Aries

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by 1Zenryoku

Also can we get back to the subject at hand all I have heard is bad comments if you don't like the thread stay the ---- out got it!!!! did I ask for your opinion or sarcasim.

I don't get it.  The last thing you wrote after telling us about your spiritual retreat into the woods was, and I quote:

quote:Thats it any more questions just ask.

....and....

quote:Did not feel like writting every thing so ask away

So then I asked a few questions, which you proceeded to answer, but not without throwing a childish tantrum.  If you can't handle a little criticism, then perhaps you should retreat back into the woods, eat a few more squirrels, and steal more possessions that other people paid for.  []

[Nay]

I will tell ya what I think...I think it is rude to come onto a forum, where people come to get geniuine advise and help, and tell a blatant lie.

For someone to pass along advise, under the guise that it is the honest truth could also lead someone else a stray, if they were so inclined to believe, and end up in causing bodily harm to themselves.  In my opinion, that is crossing a line.

If that was a honest to goodness event that happened to you, then I really don't know what to say, it sounded to me like you were making it up as you went.  At the bottom of your post you encouraged "us" to ask questions, yet you get all defensive...why is that?   Could it be, because you now are aware that you have painted yourself in the perverbial corner?

P.S.  I'm still looking for you to answer most of Jeff', very valid questions.

*disclaimer...These are the opinions of Nay and not necessarily that of the AP's.* []

Nay [^]

[Tony M.]

Man I love this forum!

Ryoku, I think you should get your own tv show or something. You have a rare gift to entertain people in your own unique way. This thread has made me laugh manytimes.

Thanks.

[MAYATNIK]

Hello Everyone,

I write here to clarify a few points mentioned by TONY M and STEEL HAWK.

TONY M:
You say:
Ryoku, or whatever your name is, I think you are full of it. I know people that believe in their own obviously made up stories and I think you are one of them
Those remarks are clearly offensive, and are in fact defamatory. I would remind you that when members joins the Astral Pulse they agree to abide by the rules, one of which is thatthe personal remarks of an abusive nature are not allowed - and the above falls into that category since you are seeking with your remarks to undermine 1Zenryonku's credibility.  It may be your pecetion that what 1Zenryoku is saying is "made up stories", but you do not know.  Each person has a right to be here to state their view, beliefs and information – however strange it may aear, and bear in mind that this website is all about the Unknown and discussions to find out more. It is not here as a playground for bullying and denegratory tactics, otherwise people will be in fear of posting and their input will be lost or devalued.  If a member has not explained something adequately for it to be understood then members should ask for more information in a positive manner.  It is in that way that we all learn from each other, and negative input does not help take us forward.   How members interact with each other on the forums determines how quickly new things can be grasped or confused more, as the case may be.  So, members please note, and follow the rules of the site for the good of all.

You say, referring to me:
Then Mayatnik, you are a strange one. One minute you are talking about people behind the scenes, people being killed (if your wife was killed I am very sorry for you) and a while later you are trying to get a date
I write what I write in order to inform, to add perspective to what has been written by others from my own personal and considerable experience.  I obviously cannot give details, by the nature of what I wrote about regarding 'behind the scenes' but I wrote enough for it to be understood..... regarding certain activities and people being killed.  I state it as bald fact, without emotion – because, being so intimately drawn in as an innocent party to such cirmcumstances, the very last thing one should have is emotions as that could mean certain death unless one has a very clear head; apart from which, those who control in secret 'behind the scenes' want people to hae emotion and especially fear of them; if you are not afraid then they cannot control as they want.  So it was, that even concerning the knowledge that my wife was to be 'taken out' (this information given to me by several of those 'field workers', with calm smiling faces, sometimes over a cup of coffee – in order to intimidate and subjugate me) I had to remain steely calm and alert to try to preserve her life, and I did that until her death and beyond.... because they tend not to go away to ensure you don't go to the police.   In fact, going to the police would have meant my certain death and that of my wife too, immediately.

So, when you talk about my wife try to see this in perspective.  We had been married 30 years, soulmates in every way, and so much in love.   But, her death was 8 yers ago, in 1995.  It is now 2004, and life has gone on from the day of her death when I started to look towards a new life.   The memories will never fade, but the grief has to be put on one side when a person dies, no matter how close the relationship, if we are to move forward.  We are here on this Earth to have our experiences and to learn.  Looking back prevents moving forward.  So, it is with the greatest sadness that I lost my 'little lifetime pal' (as I used to call her, because we had been close friends from the age of 5) but survival means lolking forward with a positive frame of mind and dealing with whatever comes – you will find this out in the times to come; if you don't start to think positively at alltimes then you will not fare well.

As for me "trying to get a date" as you put it......  I don't need to try to get a 'date'.   I have had several good relationships since my wife died,  but the perfect relationship for me is when the other person is as caring and committed as I am to sharing all and working as a team, and helping each other to achieve their dream   So, I shall be looking for another relationship at some time aftr I move house in a week or so – but I do not have 'dates'; I get to know the person in other ways of interaction; in other words, it comes about through talking to those I meet and usually working together on different projects... from which a relationship may develop.  I was merely being jocular with Nay in that post – I thought it would not be a bad idea for people to see the light and humerous side of me that friends see on Messenger and in the flesh (although I have very few friends since I choose them with care).

My thought: you had a lot of lonely nights and to kill the time you watched the entire X-files series
No, I don't have ANY lonely nights.   I have a somewhat alone-some life right now and that is of my choosing - but never lonely.  I spend my time helping others in Healing, Counselling and Channeling my guide.   In fact, I am never truly alone, because my guide is with me constantly and we talk all the time.... And no, I never get tired of her conversation and she has a great sense of humour (as others who have Pleiadian guides also testify to that).

I hardly ever watch TV, except for the News (and documentaries)  occasionally just to keep up with current affairs – the News is what is fed to us, and often not anywhere near the reality of the situation because the TV media is gagged and they can only report 'certain things' in order to not lose their license to broadcast.  If you want balanced News then it is necessary to listen to the many short-wave broadcasts that each country puts out in English as well as at least 4 outher languages – and that is what I do to keep informed of events that are reported.

As for the 'X-Files' --- the first series was based on fact, from actual files.  After that the series got more and more into fantasy and you would have to know what lay behind the stories to be able to  separate fact from fiction.   The last X-Files I watched was prior to 1994, and I don't watch any 'science fiction' (although there are quite a few elements of that sci-fi in Star Trek that are based on what life is really like 'out there among the stars' and which were given as 'ideas' to the scriptwriters).   Since I am involved with the Real thing, I find sci-fi boring (and likewise, 'spy' thrillers are not in any way like it real is – so I don't find them of interest either).

You say, regarding my information:
Maybe the story about the pyramids and stuff was based on facts but you don't come across as a reliable source, I don't believe you. If there is something great about to happen I really doubt it that beings from other dimensions or whatever try to contact us and tell us about it. If these beings know so much, they should've known about how we humans think. We don't listen to information that is transferred in a very unreliable way, at least a way that comes across as very unreliable to the majority of the people.
What is this "We don't listen", that you proclaim as if you are speaking on behalf of all ?!   If you think that my information is unreliable, then that is your personal perception – but your perception is clearly ill-informed because there is a very large amount of information published (I donn't mean here the 'pulp' sensational press, but very serious research by world-renowned academics, archaeologists and others working in the filed) and my information accords with that, and adds to it from a provenly consistent and reliable source, the Pleiadians, who have channelled much in a number of well-respected books by such channelers as Barbara Hand Clow, Barbara Marciniak and Amorah Quan Yin – to name but a few.  I chose, by the request of my Pleiadian guide, to not write books (because of the time delay in getting such works into print, and time is of the essence now to inform people) and to instead write channelled information on this website for members to examine and discuss.  I also point out correlations between the many research works on the subjects as well.  So, there is nothing unreliable about dealing with those matters head on.  You are not asked to believe it; you are asked to examine it – and the more facts you know the better you can do this.   I have spent the last 8 years learning directly from my guide and even now I check with her before I write each sentence as to what she wishes me to channel, and check afterwards to ensure that it is all correct before I submit it to the forum.   It was quite some time after Karek my guide, had explained so very much to me, before I even heard of any of those channelling writers......and when I did (in fact, she asked me to go and find certain books which I then did) I found that what others had channelled in those books was EXACTLY what had been channeled to me by her already.   The same thing happened regarding ancient history books, such as those dealing with the Pyramids and the ancient texts – I was told all those things long before I was to later see them in those books which I'd never taken any interest in until my guide eventually told me about them, and told me to go see for myself.   I found that all correlated closely with what I had been told, and the parts that did not correlate was because of facts that the researcher did not have the information I'd been told.

My job here is to present, as channelled information, those things that will benefit the reader to examine for themselves by drawing their attention to them.   So, I write on various threads and also have traned others to be Telepathic and to Channel accurately.  There are threads in the Communications section that contain channelled information from the Pleiadians, Zeta and Reptilians (3 of several species that are involved in assisting the Earth at this time coming up to the Pole Shift and 2012).  Those threads, by channelers Edi and Fuzziwig, explain in detail many things for people to think about – and what is more, questions can be put to any of the channelers for them to obtain answers from their guides and the guide-representatives of the various species of 'aliens'.  Again, I say it is not a matter of 'believing' but of examining what has hitherto beein the Unknown, and which is now being made available as information.  To ignore it is to put one's head in the sand and to discuss it means to have read it first, and then evaluate using common sense and intuition.   In that way you will be guided, rather than taking or rejecting things simply on the basis of conditioned 'blind-belief'.   What a person believes at any time is purely a matter of perception.  The higher the perception the more one can understand, because the perspective is there to see – if you look !

Finally, to you TONY M, I wonder if your perception misguides you regarding whether I am 'reliable' in my information because of what you have read just here in this thread, where I gave some 'personal' details about myself as background to the general discussion.  If your perception was coloured by how you personally viewed what you found here then does that mean the channelling by Edi and Fuzziwig are 'reliable' (since they give no personal 'details' of their lives)?  It seems to me that it is not just a matter of your perception that you should examine, but to what degree you are being judgemental, and especially in view of clearly insufficient information to be able to make any judgement about a person.  As with all things, the more you read then the better informed you will be.  So, be careful not to jump to conclusions without knowing a lot more facts.


STEEL HAWK:
Thank you for your positive and constructive input.  May I point out though, with regard to the links that you supplied for research, that the two Astral Pulse links you provide refer only to diagrams and not to the article (on 'cycles') which they are a part of) so I give the link here to the complete article (located on page 5 of that thread) for members to research about the Mayan Calendar and other associated topics:
'CYCLES' Channeled by Mayatnik
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9466&whichpage=5

(see also the links I gave for further valuable research on page 3 of this this 2012 thread here)

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

PS>
Just as I am getting this ready for posting, I notice a post from JEFF MASH and also one from NAY, regarding 1Zenryoku.  Again I see no comment about the rules of the Astral Pulse, regarding abusive personal remarks being stated, and I would expect that of Moderators (as JEFF MASH and NAY are).  It is not permissible for a person to call another one a liar, If you don't absolutely know; and you don't know.  And, even if you do, then there is such a thing as diplomacy and positive input will further discussion, quite apart from the rules of the Astral Pulse which  should be followed.   The way it came across to me from 1Zenryoku was that he didn't know what to put in or leave out, and suggested members ask further questions if they wanted.  Everyone is here to contribute or to be helped.  Members are NOT here to be insulted beause their information does not 'ring true'.  If something is unclear, then members should ask in a polite way for further information – then we can discuss it, which is what these forums are all about.  Stop putting others down.  Be polite to each other!

[Jeff_Mash]

Maya,

I see where you're coming from, and I certainly agree that this should not be a forum condoning personal attacks.

However, being the type of forum that we have here, it's...how should we say....very open-minded.  I guess you would have to be in order to remain here for any length of time.  Hehehe.

Anyway, with that said, I'm a very open-minded person, and I usually give some slack when it comes to people expressing their thoughts and opinions.  

Now, I can only speak for myself here, but this is how *I* moderate the messages I read.  I'm telling you this, if anything, to give you a better insight to how I operate.

1) What one person says may be viewed as an attack by one person, and criticism by another.  So how do I determine the difference?  I pretty much look at the writing style and the reasoning behind the commments.

As an example, Tony M. said some things which you took as a personal attack, and I can see how *you* would take them that way.  I, on the other hand, took it as a critic's opinion of what you have said.  

If he would have come in and said, "MAYA....you SUCK!  You're so full of *#*%&*%, it makes me laugh!".......If that would have happened, he would have been dealt with.  But he expressed his opinion about your claims in a more straightforward manner (IMO), and even ended his post with "These are just my thoughts. With all due respect of course."

Disagree if you must, but this is just how *I* look at things when determining a blatant personal attack and aan opinion on another persons character or beliefs.

2) Just for the record, you may not *see* us moderators doing anything, but we have ways of privately contacting people who are "in the wrong" and chastising them as we see fit.  So just because you may not see any action taking place, that's not to say that there isn't wheels spinning in the background.

Anyway, I'm saying this for no other reason than to let you know that I'm not here to gag people for expressing their beliefs as it pertains to the forum....but I do expect those who make certain factual statements to either back them up, or at least tell me why THEY believe them as fact.

As an example, you believe in the Zetas and Pleiadians, while I may not.  I may ask you WHY you believe in their existence, and whether or not I choose to believe your explanation, I can respect you for stating the reasoning behind your beliefs.

However, when others say something (as 1Zenryoku's account of roughing it in the woods, and then he asks me to direct any questions at him), I would expect him to answer them without getting upset or defensive.  If he does get upset, I won't take any action, but it does reveal to me a little bit more about his character.

Sorry for the ramble.  If you have any further questions or concerns for me, let me know. []

[MAYATNIK]

JEFF,

Thank you for that very clear reply, 'twas not rambling at all.  I fully agree with your sentiments and of course respect the way that you deal with things (in the way you have explained) as a Moderator; that, after all, is your job.  I was seeking (as a non-Moderator) to simply draw the attention of members to the fact that can be very  counter-productive to positive discussion to call a person a 'liar' based on just what they have seen - since some members do believe what others say especially if several jump on that bandwagon.   I would rather see a more polite framing of a person's perception than to call another a liar. Usually it is a case of lack of information that leads to such perception, as in the main there should be every reason to suppose that there is some validity in what is said and that it is merely a lack of comprehension (due to insufficient information before the porson) that obscures the reality of the situation.

I believe it is right to question a person, especially when what they write may seem incredulous – as seemed some of 1Zenryoku's emplanations of his 'survival adventure' – and he did ask for members to ask if they wanted to know more.  I would not call a person a liar when I didn't know though, and only further questioning would enable a better understanding... one way or another.  But, I see your point Jeff regarding how you deal with things in general and it is very fair.   I ask only that people be polite with each other, and to call someone a liar is to prejudge.

As for what I write in my channelings this is quite obviously an area that many are as yet unfamiliar with, so much depends on what a person has already read and assimilated as to how they perceive things.  I certainly do not ask people to believe me – that would not be sensible.  I only ask that people examine the information and discuss it in a positive manner.  Any new information needs to be examined, rather than ignored as trash – since all Truth is a matter of perception, and perception is very subjective and depends on the degree of conditioning a person has been subject to in their life.   The Truth is out there, and it only needs to be found and examined.   I bring what I am asked by my guide for people to examine.  People should only believe what they feel is right, and with the amount of information regarding this 2012 Mayan Calendar end-date it is clearly worth examining before making any judgement to dismiss it.

We have several veins running through this thread, all of which are worth examining in depth for a greater appreciation of what is being said about the Pole Shift and 2012 in general.   Zetatalk gives information regarding survival – but how would each of us deal with that.......... Would we be self-assured in the event of this cataclysm? (which would mean being knowledgable about basic survival techniques at least – so well worth discussing and getting ideas from other members, like 1Zenryoku, who have tried it in some way)   I, personally, have obtained the <SAS SURVIVAL GUIDE> book and am with difficulty (using a magnifier due to my very poor eyesight) reading it yet fascinated with so many new things I had never thought about before.   For instance, it says that worms are full of protein and that a person can easily survive by eating them (they should be dried in the sun then crushed to a powder and water added to make a very nutritious 'gravy').  But, how I will fare with my eyesight is a matter that is not discussed in that book, so, although I am knowledgable about quite a lot of things it would be handy for me to have a partner with me for that journey into the Unknown.   No man is an island, and we can all benefit from what we can share with each other.   So, I view this 'survival' aspect as a valuable vein of discussion in this thread, and 1Zenryoku has started it off so hopefully the discussion will go on.   I simply ask that all input should be polite and positive.   I don't take things 'personally' myself  (although some may do and take offence) and I look on what is written objectively and impersonally because I simply have information that I am asked by my guide to give.   However, if people criticize the messenger it does not help the message, and if they criticize the message then that is negative – what should be done is, as I've said may times, examine what is given as information, ask about what is not understood, and read more to be better informed.

Thank you once again for your clear explanation of how you Moderate the forums which is very fair.  Beyond that, I would only ask you to stress to members the importance of polite interaction.  

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[The AlphaOmega]

What is the big deal with 2012?  I've heard demon wars and other wars, etc., but why does ANYONE really believe this is going to happen?  Has there been a flood of spychics talking about this year?  Some new book come out?  Why does everyone think this year is significant right now?

[Tony M.]

Mayatnik, I think Jeff put it in the right way: I wasn't bashing people but I just got a little fed up with Ryoku. Personally, I think he's lying, just look at what's said in the posts above.

And I know I'm saying things that make it look like I haven't done some research but I don't have the time to type everything out in the way you do. I read some on pleiadians, zetas and reptiles and I just don't believe in it.

Through personal experience I know that nothing is what it seems and as long you "fabricate" your story right, you can "come up" with something very credible. Maybe they do exist and if they do and I find out, I won't feel stupid because I based my opinion on what seemed obvious to me at that time.

I can go on and on discussing this thing with you but I have other things to do.
And by the way, I think you're being too correct. Maybe that's why you don't come across as very reliable. You try to explain too much of everything, it's like you don't want to leave room for the critics to criticize you, like yoú know that there is a very good reason to criticize you...
And you were right about the "we" thing. Sorry about that, I'm not so correct all the time, because I don't have the time.

Tony out.

[MAYATNIK]

AlphaOmega,

I've heard demon wars and other wars, etc., but why does ANYONE really believe this is going to happen?
Demons?  Sounds a bit far fetched, don't you think? They were talking about 'demons' in the middle ages.  I'd hoped we'd moved on from there. But maybe you're reading some strange material somewhere, there are some weird notions out there – as for believing such things as 'demon wars' are going to happen, then people who are reading that into this are obviously not reading the right material, because 2012 is simply about the Mayan end-date in their Calendar which is based on what is called the 'Ages of Man'.  These 'Ages' are periods of time in Man's History in which each has marked a change; and the 2012 date simply marks the end of the whole series of cycles which have been known to Astrologers and good psychics for centuries.. So, the new cycle that will start after 23rd December 2012 will be a great change for Man, as every cycle has been – if you study the history that falls within those periods – except that this being the end of a Grand Cycle, the culmination of all 12 that make up the 26,000 years, it will be a very great change and there are many books that have been written about it.  And I have also channelled on the subject of the Pole Shift and 2012 from the Pleiadians and also the Zeta perspective.

I have mentioned several times now where to look to start to learn more about this on the thread, so I'll refrain this time and let you go look yourself – since I am busy packing boxes ready to move house.   Just dropped by to let you know it has nothing to do with demons - which should cut down the search somewhat, but of course you don't have to believe me in that; it's just that there is an overwhelming amount tof material already published (apart from channelling) that is very credible and good evidence to indicate a more common-sense answer than 'demons'to the 2012 scenario.

TONY M

Thank you for that very honest and direct reply.  I agree with you, and I think you have very valid pointsin what you say.

Regarding what you said about 1Zenryoku, I personally felt that 1Zen was a little incredulous but that doesn't mean he is lying, and it may well mean that he is not explaining himself well enough.  I get the feeling that he is very sincere and wanting to find the answer to many things – that being the case, members can discuss it, and certainly ask him to explain himself better; that is only right.

I, as you have pointed out, seem to be coming across to you as over explaining to the point where it doesn't seem credible to you.    I quote from your post about me:
You try to explain too much of everything, it's like you don't want to leave room for the critics to criticize you, like yoú know that there is a very good reason to criticize you..
That of course is your perception.  As you say, "Nothing is the way it seems" and I have said that myself in my posts – meaning that what people are conditioned to think is notthe way it is.   And I stress here to assure you that what I say is not fabrication.   I certainly do not want you or anyone to just 'believe' it, only to examine and think and discuss.

You have a perfect right to believe whatever you feel at any time to be correct and maybe I am not helping you in particular because I am explaining too much which causes you to be suspicious. Others though can benefit from my detailed explanations bercause it saves them having to spend a great deal of time researching (and there is much rubbish written out there, so it is not easy to follow the right trail unless you are an experienced and unbiased researcher).  So, it is not that I'm seeking to not leave room for 'critics' – I am trying to lay out the material that I present as a good foundation for further thought and research, rather than haphazard and incomplete.  If I left gaps then critics could erroneously pick holes in the information simply because I didn't give enough facts.   And (ignoring the fact that I channel all this from my guide, to make the point simple here – because some may not believe that I am receiving information by Telepathy) most of the information is actually published and has been known for a long time in many cases but has not been widely advertised due to some in society that have a vested interest in wanting it suppressed.  I am merely bringing it to the attention of people because it should not be suppressed and should be available for all to examine and then – on the basis of a full examination – be in a better position to understand what is really going on.     As for channelling – can anyone honestly believe that 3 of us (myself, Edi and Fuzziwig) channelling on these forums have 'fabricated' in a grand tapestry weave of fiction all that we we write – that would indeed be a Grand Conspiracy beyond all wild 'conspiracy theories' if common sense is applied here.   So, it would be appropriate for a person to assume that what I and the other channelers write is  correct or at least may be, and then go on to examine why it may be..... rather than just dismissing it out of hand because of present perception.

I take to heart what you say about me 'over explaining', or writing too much.  So, I shall endeavour to write less in any post in future – I have explained it all in general anyway, so I leave it up to members to go and dig out if they so wish and to read the websites and books that are given in the Astral Pulse Library:
Mayatnik's Book Recommendations
That list, which I had compiled in a post on the forums, was placed there in the Library not by myself but by Frank a Moderator who thought that the list should be preserved for all those who really wanted to find out the Truth.

Thank you once again for a very healthy and refreshingly honest post – because openness is the best way forward, so long as it is polite in its points and positive criticism.....as yours was here and a good example to members.

Now I am going to go back to my boxes and tackle some more of  that packing up to be ready for my house move.   See you later.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[Tony M.]

Ok then. By the way, I don't only have negative things to say about you. You seem like a smart and educated person and that's why I'd like you to read my paper on happiness and comment about it. Here's the link and if it doesn't work it can be found in the philosophy section.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10083

And I've taken to heart some things you said as well. But he, I'm still young and have got a lot left to learn.

Good luck moving.

[MAYATNIK]

TONY M,

i look forward to reading your Philosophy Paper on HAPPINESS.  Ture happiness comes from within, from the heart - and I shall comment on it from the heart also............

.....just as soon as I can clear these damn pans and plates that need packing, because I can hardly get into the kitchen (not easy to get round things into square boxes and secure for safe transit) ...... then I'll be happy.

See yo later.

Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[Fuzziwig]

Tony M:
You say: Through personal experience I know that nothing is what it seems and as long you "fabricate" your story right, you can "come up" with something very credible.
As a fellow channeler to Mayatnik, i can say that we dont fabricate a story to come up with something credible. It would simply be a waste of time for me to fabricate such stories, as well as alot of headache to keep having track of all the information that is posted in the Communications Thread. I and Edi are giving a chance for members to get information on practically anything they should pose questions about in respectively the Reptilian thread and the Zeta thread. Fabricating stories covering practically anything is pretty hard to do, but i guess not impossible, only for me it would be. The information delivered by us is not fabricated and ppl can with their common sense and intuition decide what they think of it, like yourself and this is perfectly allright.

The AlphaOmega:
You say: What is the big deal with 2012? I've heard demon wars and other wars, etc., but why does ANYONE really believe this is going to happen? Has there been a flood of spychics talking about this year? Some new book come out? Why does everyone think this year is significant right now?

The questions are well put ones, and so normally i would have answered this in the Communications section. I will let the Zeta comment on your questions through the use of channeling. A channeling that happens by the use of my Pleiadian guide who provide the telepathic hook-up to the Zeta.

Zeta:
The year 2012 wont be a year of any Demon war or the like. The ancient texts speak of such wars on the background of their writers believes in the evil taking over the world, because of its corrupt and decadent way of becoming. It was an observation of the worlds population that lead to the texts of such a war. The demons should supposely come and spread terror on the existing chaos that was present, and cover the world in darkness. The war would mean that all humans would succumb to these demons, and that there would be a rule of evil. There would be a struggle at first, but as these demons would come in by the many, the humans would finally die. The story is a dark one, and not at all true. While some may choose to believe in this tale, then its far from likely that such a war should take place. The humans have their free will to decide whether they want 'demons' around. Spirits that are confused and frustrated to be in these lower levels of vibration and deep down want to return to a higher place. A place they can call home. It is not wonder that ppl have feared them, but it is a growing understanding of what they are, that allows for us to help them. It is not by fear that we help these spirits, but by love and understanding.
The 2012 wil bring about changes to the world as we know it. The society that exists at the present time will not live to see another day after the poleshift. That means that there will be room for another society after this, and so there will be build such a society but on other ideas. It will be a society that allows for ppl to live in harmony, and think about their spiritual development with out care about wealth or survival. It will be in the interest for ppl to live in such a society and so we provide for such a development to take place. This is our place to do so as according to the plan for the Earth project. We dont find it necessary to discuss this further, as there will be rich opportunity to discuss these matters in our Zeta Communications thread where questions can be posed.

Light and Compassion
Fuzziwig

[Squeek]

This semi-reminds me of when I secluded myself in nature back in '02 and '98...  And reminding me of it made me think about how much of your story could be true...

In 2002 I went backpacking in the wilderness that is New Mexico.  My bag weighed a clean 45 pounds, including the tent gear, food, and plenty of water.  This was New Mexico, so even though there was no humidity, it was still 100s during the daytime and pretty darn cold at night.  Which got me thinking... Virginia gets pretty cold at night (I kinda live here [|)]), and I had a tent and several layers of nice warm clothes, fresh after the hike ceased for the day.  Included was also a sleeping bag.  I still froze every night, with all of this, and this was summer.  Not to criticize, but you mean to tell me that you didn't after 16 days in the BR mountains?

Our food was anything but scarce on this backpacking trek...meaning we had a wholesome 3,000 calorie-a-day diet going on here, which was necessary considering the hikes were over 10 miles a day.  I ate it all, even the stuff I hated so dearly back at home, just because when the time for food came, you were STARVING.  So... with just a little can o' beans and a few fish every once in a while... you managed for 16 days.

Note how I failed to mention the fact that fishing is pretty impossible without proper gear, or how Virginia Squirrels aren't the easiest thing to catch, even with a car [].

Now, I have heard of stomachs shrinking... from Survivor actually, where they had the proper tools to hunt animals and catch fish.  They starved even though they had a plentiful river right nearby and wild boar roaming all around.  They had spears and fishing poles and still barely managed to eat without using their supply of rice.

...What I'm basically trying to say is...  if it's still around when you're 18, Go on Survivor!

Last thing, don't get so easily irritated when people doubt you.  If you look at it from our point of view, it's obvious that we will.  It's not fun if you really are telling the truth and nobody believes you, and I'm sure everybody here has had that happen at least once...  surely.

~Squeek

PS - For those interested, the other trip was to a deserted island a few miles south of the Florida Keys.  Deer ate our food [V].  (Yes, there were DEER on an island.  I asked the dude how they got there... he told me they swam. [xx(])

[Hephaestus]

All things to do with 2012 came from the translating of the Mayan calendar, has it occured to anyone that perhaps it was translated wrongly?

[MAYATNIK]

Haepaestus,

You say:
All things to do with 2012 came from the translating of the Mayan calendar, has it occured to anyone that perhaps it was translated wrongly?
This is not the case.   All things do not come from the Mayan Calendar to do with the 2012 date. The calendar is only a corroboration of other facts known for thousands of years, and the Mayans are simply not that old.  What is interesting in this corroboration is that the Mayans, thousands of miles away, knew what the Sumerians knew, and also had the culture of the Pyramids and the impossibility for them also to have built them unaided along with many other things about them that is striking.  But the 'translations' of the Mayan Calendar are precise (in fact, ultra precise) and have been verified by modern computers in a special investigation.  That investigation was not done regarding the Manan end-date actually, and the investigators were looking in completeliy another direction – they were trying to find out the significance of the 11 shafts in the Great Pyramid.   When they used star charts they found that 11 stars lined up exactly to the shafts in the Pyramids around the time that scientists estimated they were made.  On 'rolling forward' the star charts again towards our present time from then, it was discovered that those 11 stars did not align at all during the intervening period........until they reached (surprisingly) the 23rd December, 2012.... Which happened to be also the Mayan end-date for their calendar.  That is an example of such independent corroboration.  We also have the known 'Ages of Man' that correlate exactly to the various periods in our history (particularly of Europe and the Middle East), such as the 'Age of Leo' (when the Sphynx representing it and the Sirians, and in that time perioid the pyramids also, were built), and the others (which we know as the Cosmic Zodiac, relating to the Cosmic Spiral of our stars over massive periods of time) and of course the 'Age of Pisces', the coming of the Fisherman Jesus.  Each age (segment of that Grand Cycle) represents a major Lesson in the evolution of Mankind..   And all this correlates with the Mayan Calendar, made by another seemingly quite separate culture thousands of miles away independently.   On looking closer in serious research there is, however, a connection : They too had 'visitiors' from the stars, who gave them that 'information' for their calendar and the Mayans observed the stars and became aware of the 'cycle' of Time, and how it affects Mankind.  We are now coming to the end of the Age of Pisces.   Soon we shall be in the Age of Aquarious – and that is the start of a whole new Grand Cycle, and a dramatic change for Mankind.   It is not a time of 'doom' but a New Beginning.  The dawn of a New Epoch for us.

I have yet to write further to my channelled article on 'Cycles' appertaining to this (and which is in the Reptilian thread of the Commnications section – as I've already mentioned in a previous post above here), but with my house move being imminent now and so little time left I have had to leave until later my 'Ages of Man' and also another channelled article which I shall write on the Planets and their effect from 1960 to 2012.  These channelings regarding information that has been known for a long time are not directly connected with the Mayans themselves, but are identical nevertheless from our European and Middle East cultural knowledge from ancient times.   So, there is no mistranslation or misconception - and it is not about some 'end-date' alone but a complete chronology all is as it was planned in the Cosmos for Mankind.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK[